[ot_caving] Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Fw: Scary Border Stuff...Why Haven't We Heard?

2010-06-05 Thread Nico Escamilla
Im taking this thread to the OT list

Rod,

Certainly, it is well know that these bad people have bought many a local
police department  as well as state and hav'em working for them (I know that
for a fact) however your point is not really valid here... with the
exception of the Army, 50 cal Barrets, AKs RPGs and so on are not issued to
law enforcement, so saying that this weapons might come from Mexican
authorities makes no sense.

Guns arent banned here, you just cant walk around carrying one.

Nico

On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Rod Goke rod.g...@earthlink.net wrote:

  The question of fault:

 Is it the United States' fault for banning drugs and creating a lucrative
 demand for criminals to smuggle drugs northwards, or is it Mexico's fault
 for banning guns and creating a lucrative demand for criminals to smuggle
 guns southward? That issue ranks right up there with life's other great
 questions, like Which blade of the scissors is responsible for the
 cutting?


 A serious question about gun sources for Mexican criminals:

 Some people, especially some in the Mexican government, have complained
 that Mexican criminals are obtaining guns by smuggling them from the U.S.
 into Mexico, and there is evidence indicating that this is true to some
 degree. There also have been many news reports indicating that organized
 criminal gangs in Mexico have been able to bribe, intimidate, or otherwise
 induce significant numbers of Mexican police and military personnel to work
 for the criminals. This, of course, does not imply that all, or even most,
 of the Mexican police or military personnel are corrupt, but the reports do
 seem to indicate that the gangs have been able to buy enough influence of
 this type to be a major and growing problem in portions of Mexico. In this
 case, I wonder how many of the military and police style weapons flowing to
 Mexican criminals are coming from corrupt sources in the Mexican police and
 military and, hence, would continue to be available to criminals there even
 if all gun smuggling from the United States were eliminated. Not
 surprisingly, the Mexican government doesn't say much, if anything, about
 this aspect of the problem, but for anyone seriously interested in how
 criminals are getting guns in Mexico, it is important to understand how many
 guns are coming through each channel instead of just pointing fingers across
 the border at convenient scapegoats.

 Rod



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Re: [ot_caving] Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Fw: Scary Border Stuff...Why Haven't We Heard?

2010-06-05 Thread Scott Nicholson
Guns are not, and never have been, the problem.  The problem, in my humble 
opinion, are the drug laws in the USA which create the lucrative black market, 
and also the war on drugs (a 100% failure in every regard) which has cost about 
a Trillion Dollars so far...

A very reasonable analogy is the Prohibition experiment years ago. When alcohol 
was illegal there was a strong incentive for the mob to becocme 
involvedviolence and profiteering ensued.  When Prohbition was repealed, 
the violence and profiteering associated with the illegal alcohol black market 
subsided almost immediately.

Just my two cents 
 Scott Nicholson, Broker
512-947-2688
Marketplace Real Estate
www.DiscoveryAustin.com






From: Nico Escamilla pitboun...@gmail.com
To: Rod Goke rod.g...@ieee.org
Cc: Off Topic o...@texascavers.com
Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 12:20:41 PM
Subject: [ot_caving] Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Fw: Scary Border Stuff...Why 
Haven't We Heard?


Im taking this thread to the OT list

Rod,

Certainly, it is well know that these bad people have bought many a local 
police department  as well as state and hav'em working for them (I know that 
for a fact) however your point is not really valid here... with the exception 
of the Army, 50 cal Barrets, AKs RPGs and so on are not issued to law 
enforcement, so saying that this weapons might come from Mexican authorities 
makes no sense.

Guns arent banned here, you just cant walk around carrying one.

Nico


On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Rod Goke rod.g...@earthlink.net wrote:

The question of fault:

Is it the United States' fault for banning drugs and creating a lucrative 
demand for criminals to smuggle drugs northwards, or is it Mexico's fault for 
banning guns and creating a lucrative demand for criminals to smuggle guns 
southward? That issue ranks right up there with life's other great questions, 
like Which blade of the scissors is responsible for the cutting? 




A serious question about gun sources for Mexican criminals:


Some people, especially some in the Mexican government, have complained that 
Mexican criminals are obtaining guns by smuggling them from the U.S. into 
Mexico, and there is evidence indicating that this is true to some degree. 
There also have been many news reports indicating that organized criminal 
gangs in Mexico have been able to bribe, intimidate, or otherwise induce 
significant numbers of Mexican police and military personnel to work for the 
criminals. This, of course, does not imply that all, or even most, of the 
Mexican police or military personnel are corrupt, but the reports do seem to 
indicate that the gangs have been able to buy enough influence of this type to 
be a major and growing problem in portions of Mexico. In this case, I wonder 
how many of the military and police style weapons flowing to Mexican criminals 
are coming from corrupt sources in the Mexican police and military and, hence, 
would continue to be available to criminals there
 even if all gun smuggling from the United States were eliminated. Not 
surprisingly, the Mexican government doesn't say much, if anything, about this 
aspect of the problem, but for anyone seriously interested in how criminals are 
getting guns in Mexico, it is important to understand how many guns are coming 
through each channel instead of just pointing fingers across the border at 
convenient scapegoats.


Rod





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