Guns are not, and never have been, the problem.  The problem, in my humble 
opinion, are the drug laws in the USA which create the lucrative black market, 
and also the war on drugs (a 100% failure in every regard) which has cost about 
a Trillion Dollars so far...

A very reasonable analogy is the Prohibition experiment years ago. When alcohol 
was illegal there was a strong incentive for the mob to becocme 
involved....violence and profiteering ensued.  When Prohbition was repealed, 
the violence and profiteering associated with the illegal alcohol black market 
subsided almost immediately.

Just my two cents........ 
 Scott Nicholson, Broker
512-947-2688
Marketplace Real Estate
www.DiscoveryAustin.com





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From: Nico Escamilla <pitboun...@gmail.com>
To: Rod Goke <rod.g...@ieee.org>
Cc: Off Topic <o...@texascavers.com>
Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 12:20:41 PM
Subject: [ot_caving] Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Fw: Scary Border Stuff...Why 
Haven't We Heard?


Im taking this thread to the OT list

Rod,

Certainly, it is well know that these bad people have bought many a local 
police department  as well as state and hav'em working for them (I know that 
for a fact) however your point is not really valid here... with the exception 
of the Army, 50 cal Barrets, AKs RPGs and so on are not issued to law 
enforcement, so saying that this weapons might come from Mexican authorities 
makes no sense.

Guns arent banned here, you just cant walk around carrying one.

Nico


On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Rod Goke <rod.g...@earthlink.net> wrote:

The question of fault:
>
>Is it the United States' fault for banning drugs and creating a lucrative 
>demand for criminals to smuggle drugs northwards, or is it Mexico's fault for 
>banning guns and creating a lucrative demand for criminals to smuggle guns 
>southward? That issue ranks right up there with life's other great questions, 
>like "Which blade of the scissors is responsible for the cutting?" 
>
>
>
>
>A serious question about gun sources for Mexican criminals:
>
>
>Some people, especially some in the Mexican government, have complained that 
>Mexican criminals are obtaining guns by smuggling them from the U.S. into 
>Mexico, and there is evidence indicating that this is true to some degree. 
>There also have been many news reports indicating that organized criminal 
>gangs in Mexico have been able to bribe, intimidate, or otherwise induce 
>significant numbers of Mexican police and military personnel to work for the 
>criminals. This, of course, does not imply that all, or even most, of the 
>Mexican police or military personnel are corrupt, but the reports do seem to 
>indicate that the gangs have been able to buy enough influence of this type to 
>be a major and growing problem in portions of Mexico. In this case, I wonder 
>how many of the military and police style weapons flowing to Mexican criminals 
>are coming from corrupt sources in the Mexican police and military and, hence, 
>would continue to be available to criminals there
 even if all gun smuggling from the United States were eliminated. Not 
surprisingly, the Mexican government doesn't say much, if anything, about this 
aspect of the problem, but for anyone seriously interested in how criminals are 
getting guns in Mexico, it is important to understand how many guns are coming 
through each channel instead of just pointing fingers across the border at 
convenient scapegoats.
>
>
>Rod
>
>
>
>
>
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