Re: [ot_caving] Urine or You're Out - Another Perspective
What strikes me most significantly is how people who've never been poor, disabled or otherwise challenged can make such broad, sweeping, self-satisfying judgment calls about such things they know nothing about. It seems that so many people that call themselves Christian have no problem at all determining which people don't live up to their particular standards, and therefore do not qualify to be part of the human race. (I.E. the complete antithesis of everything J.C. 'son o God' was said to teach.) Rather than empathize with the grungy unpleasant-looking people begging for change at the intersection, it is too easy for many to assume that these people actually choose to live that way, But... I don't think ONE of us would be willing to actually walk in those same shoes, because without what we have (social, material, financial) - it is impossible to imagine the nightmare of attaining a decent standard of living after having lost all of the above. And there's a whole lot wrong with a society that believes in equal rights, but just for those that deserve it. In this system - ONE strike and you're essentially OUT. Loose your credit rating - get into a little trouble with the law - loose your spotless employment record and THEN see how easy it is to get back on top of the heap. So - for those who - in the name of financial expediency, pontificate ignoring and further disenfranchisement of those who don't follow all the rules - there should be a special place in hell waiting for them. (But 'm an atheist - so I guess karma will suffice). -WAVY On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Justin Shaw idv8justinc...@gmail.comwrote: THE JOB - URINE TEST (Whoever wrote this one down deserves a HUGE pat on the back!) Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their A--, doing drugs, while I work. . . Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? I guess we could title that program, 'Urine or You're Out'. Pass this along if you agree or simply delete if you don't. Hope you all will pass it along, though. . Some thing has to change in this country -- and soon!!! -- Actually, some people do have to subject themselves to this type of draconian barbarism to receive much needed assistance. My mother for one, who suffers from rather extreme fibromyalgia, and is therefore prescribed narcotic medications with extreme side effects including permanent liver damage, permanent kidney damage, lack of cognitive thought process, an increases in blood pressure - oh lookie, they have a drug for her high blood pressure too, and lookie, it has side affects too… Now because my mom is on permanent disability, she cannot work, not even just this weekend for you watching your kids, because if the government finds out, she's out of assistance and on the streets. What's even more draconian is the fact that she had to sign an agreement that she can be randomly drug tested at any time. Fibromyalgia is a disease that affects the connective tissue of the human body. Marijuana is an herb that has been proven in many studies (mostly outside of this country) to dramatically decrease the brains perception of non-localized (and localized) pain, among many other benefits. In short, my mom CAN take narcotic medications that make the pharmaceutical companies, doctors, and politicians rich, have major side affects, and provide minimal relief without a constant increase in dosage. - Remember, this isn't like when you break something and get scrip for two weeks. My mother is expected to live the rest of her life this way, which will be greatly shortened by the medications she is taking. She CAN'T smoke a couple hits of marijuana, supporting a local cottage industry, and relieving her pain without any known or suspected side affects. If she did this, she would be out of pain, and able to get a good nights sleep, unfortunately she might not have a roof to sleep under, or a way to afford food. Due to an agenda established by the Food and Drug Administration and with banners carried forward by those ever two faced and illiterate fundamentalist Christians (if they were literate they would read that the bible actually says god provided all seed
Re: [ot_caving] Urine or You're Out - Another Perspective
Re: your defense of several persons that does include me~ I had parents who were much older and they lost all the money that they had - quite a lot for the 1970 and 1980's by the time they died. It went for medical - the 30 year policy with Blue Cross kicked them out when my mother had one heart attack which did not even send her to the hospital. Then the buisness they sold was owner financed and dad had to repo it and work again at 70. They did have a lot of expenses and mom was not able to have some wonderful things you can do now with heart problems. Dad had a brain tumor and was in a nursing home. The help (much smaller in that time) was not there as he had a few dollars in the bank. UMM it all went when by the time they died. And 250,000 in the bank and homes and cars paid for in 1970 was a lot back then. I will not go into more but I have seen it from all sides. I am now disabled and am in section 8 housing. Am I a grungy do nothing. I worked all the time I was able. The bit I had went in the last stockmarket bit - I needed to cash in when it was tanked. Thanks for some person remembering that there are some of us in wheel chairs or walkers who are not on food stamps but do need help and did not take all the time they were able to work. And if my typos are not all fixed too bad I type very badly with post polio and do try to find them prior to posting. Oh I would be glad to take a urine test as the drugs do not help PPS. Nor do I like them. I just want stem cell research. I need new motor neurons! Quinta What strikes me most significantly is how people who've never been poor, disabled or otherwise challenged can make such broad, sweeping, self-satisfying judgment calls about such things they know nothing about. It seems that so many people that call themselves Christian have no problem at all determining which people don't live up to their particular standards, and therefore do not qualify to be part of the human race. (I.E. the complete antithesis of everything J.C. 'son o God' was said to teach.) Rather than empathize with the grungy unpleasant-looking people begging for change at the intersection, it is too easy for many to assume that these people actually choose to live that way, But... I don't think ONE of us would be willing to actually walk in those same shoes, because without what we have (social, material, financial) - it is impossible to imagine the nightmare of attaining a decent standard of living after having lost all of the above. And there's a whole lot wrong with a society that believes in equal rights, but just for those that deserve it. In this system - ONE strike and you're essentially OUT. Loose your credit rating - get into a little trouble with the law - loose your spotless employment record and THEN see how easy it is to get back on top of the heap. So - for those who - in the name of financial expediency, pontificate ignoring and further disenfranchisement of those who don't follow all the rules - there should be a special place in hell waiting for them. (But 'm an atheist - so I guess karma will suffice).
Re: [ot_caving] Urine or You're Out - Another Perspective
THE JOB - URINE TEST (Whoever wrote this one down deserves a HUGE pat on the back!) Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their A--, doing drugs, while I work. . . Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? I guess we could title that program, 'Urine or You're Out'. Pass this along if you agree or simply delete if you don't. Hope you all will pass it along, though. . Some thing has to change in this country -- and soon!!! -- Actually, some people do have to subject themselves to this type of draconian barbarism to receive much needed assistance. My mother for one, who suffers from rather extreme fibromyalgia, and is therefore prescribed narcotic medications with extreme side effects including permanent liver damage, permanent kidney damage, lack of cognitive thought process, an increases in blood pressure - oh lookie, they have a drug for her high blood pressure too, and lookie, it has side affects too… Now because my mom is on permanent disability, she cannot work, not even just this weekend for you watching your kids, because if the government finds out, she's out of assistance and on the streets. What's even more draconian is the fact that she had to sign an agreement that she can be randomly drug tested at any time. Fibromyalgia is a disease that affects the connective tissue of the human body. Marijuana is an herb that has been proven in many studies (mostly outside of this country) to dramatically decrease the brains perception of non-localized (and localized) pain, among many other benefits. In short, my mom CAN take narcotic medications that make the pharmaceutical companies, doctors, and politicians rich, have major side affects, and provide minimal relief without a constant increase in dosage. - Remember, this isn't like when you break something and get scrip for two weeks. My mother is expected to live the rest of her life this way, which will be greatly shortened by the medications she is taking. She CAN'T smoke a couple hits of marijuana, supporting a local cottage industry, and relieving her pain without any known or suspected side affects. If she did this, she would be out of pain, and able to get a good nights sleep, unfortunately she might not have a roof to sleep under, or a way to afford food. Due to an agenda established by the Food and Drug Administration and with banners carried forward by those ever two faced and illiterate fundamentalist Christians (if they were literate they would read that the bible actually says god provided all seed bearing plants for the use of man Genesis 1:11) my mother, like millions of other Americans is forced to live in pain for the profit of the already rich. This is not in the spirit of a free country. The writer of this e-mail states In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. Those last six words are actually the most worrisome aspect of this person's point of view. To not have a problem with your employer drug testing you. You do realize this is your employer saying to you, that in no uncertain terms, they don't trust you? How could you ever bee so foolish as to trust someone who doesn't trust you? Would you do that of a person? A corporation is no different than a person. So why do you work for a company that doesn't trust you? Wouldn't you rather work for a company that trusts it's managers to properly assess a person's ability to do their job? Imagine if this was done regardless of what drugs that person may need to do there job. Human quality cannot be quantified. Almost every person holding down a steady job in this country is on drugs. Some legal, some illegal. There are the stimulants; Caffeine being the number one, also popular is Adderall and Cocaine, depending on business class. Then there are the relaxants, such as Paxil, Marijuana, and Kava Kava. What's the important difference in these drugs? Education and Taxation. I say, Educate and establish a tax-rate, don't legislate and incarcerate. The writer of this e-mail also states Some thing has to change in this country -- and soon! Trust me things are going to change. This unsustainable joy ride can only go on so long. The change
