RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand
I saw a story on the news the other day about some guy in California (of course) who had converted his vehicle to run on cooking oil which he recycled from local restaurants. He said it worked well and the only downside was that his garage smelled like a French fry. Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:38:50 -0500 From: dlocklea...@gmail.com To: o...@texascavers.com Subject: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand It is my observation that millions of Americans are modifying their cars by putting excessively large chrome wheels on their cars. I am certain that this causes the car to get worse gas mileage. These rims are not aerodynamic and are heavy. In addition, the larger tires they are upgrading to are also using more gas as they are wider. The stress put on the cars axle by these tires is surely going to where out the axle bearings faster. The factories that make all of these rims, and tires and bearings are going to need fuel to keep running. Future cars will have to have lightweight aerodynamic ( meaning ugly ) rims and tires in order to lower their EPA estimated mileage. That was what they did on the Honda Insight. The hybrid drivetrain only played a small role in the high EPA rating. I think it is going to be difficult to make an off-road vehicle that is fuel efficient. But hopefully soon, caver will be able to pick them up dirt cheap as their owners will not be able to put gas in them. David - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand
Yes, it is indeed do-able. All you need are vehicles with diesel engines, some vats, chemicals and pumps to take out all the glycerin and impurities and filter it all out. It is quite an effective way to go as long as you've got local restraunts agreeable to waste oil take out. -WaV On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: I saw a story on the news the other day about some guy in California (of course) who had converted his vehicle to run on cooking oil which he recycled from local restaurants. He said it worked well and the only downside was that his garage smelled like a French fry. Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:38:50 -0500 From: dlocklea...@gmail.com To: o...@texascavers.com Subject: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand It is my observation that millions of Americans are modifying their cars by putting excessively large chrome wheels on their cars. I am certain that this causes the car to get worse gas mileage. These rims are not aerodynamic and are heavy. In addition, the larger tires they are upgrading to are also using more gas as they are wider. The stress put on the cars axle by these tires is surely going to where out the axle bearings faster. The factories that make all of these rims, and tires and bearings are going to need fuel to keep running. Future cars will have to have lightweight aerodynamic ( meaning ugly ) rims and tires in order to lower their EPA estimated mileage. That was what they did on the Honda Insight. The hybrid drivetrain only played a small role in the high EPA rating. I think it is going to be difficult to make an off-road vehicle that is fuel efficient. But hopefully soon, caver will be able to pick them up dirt cheap as their owners will not be able to put gas in them. David - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand
There was an article in the Dallas Morning News this past week addressing this and how restaurants and vendors that collect/recycle this stuff are being robbed blind by grease bandits. May be a great way to make your own fuel, but, yuck! Also read how gas stations are experiencing higher drive offs and people getting their gas tanks siphoned. Better get a locking gas cap, y'all! Later, Mark From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: Fri 5/23/2008 12:20 PM To: Louise Power Cc: David; o...@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Yes, it is indeed do-able. All you need are vehicles with diesel engines, some vats, chemicals and pumps to take out all the glycerin and impurities and filter it all out. It is quite an effective way to go as long as you've got local restraunts agreeable to waste oil take out. -WaV On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: I saw a story on the news the other day about some guy in California (of course) who had converted his vehicle to run on cooking oil which he recycled from local restaurants. He said it worked well and the only downside was that his garage smelled like a French fry.
RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand
Even worse, there was a story on the news the other night talking about how even if people got locking gas caps, thieves would drill small holes in the gas tanks and drain the gas out that way. Thieves are so much more inventive than we are. They seem to stay one step ahead of any measure we take. Imagine the poor vehicle owner, who turns his key and KA-BOOM!!! From: mark.alman@l-3com.comSubject: RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demandDate: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:42:34 -0500To: wavyca...@gmail.com; power_louise@hotmail.comCC: dlocklea...@gmail.com; o...@texascavers.com There was an article in the Dallas Morning News this past week addressing this and how restaurants and vendors that collect/recycle this stuff are being robbed blind by grease bandits. May be a great way to make your own fuel, but, yuck! Also read how gas stations are experiencing higher drive offs and people getting their gas tanks siphoned. Better get a locking gas cap, y'all! Later, Mark From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com]Sent: Fri 5/23/2008 12:20 PMTo: Louise PowerCc: David; ot@texascavers.comSubject: Re: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Yes, it is indeed do-able. All you need are vehicles with diesel engines, some vats, chemicals and pumps to take out all the glycerin and impurities and filter it all out. It is quite an effective way to go as long as you've got local restraunts agreeable to waste oil take out.-WaV On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: I saw a story on the news the other day about some guy in California (of course) who had converted his vehicle to run on cooking oil which he recycled from local restaurants. He said it worked well and the only downside was that his garage smelled like a French fry.
RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand
Due to the labor involved, repairing a drilled or ruptured gas tank will be an expensive repair job if you pay someone else to do it. They do not employ practical (cheap) methods. Fritz From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 3:17 PM To: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Don Cooper Cc: David; o...@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Even worse, there was a story on the news the other night talking about how even if people got locking gas caps, thieves would drill small holes in the gas tanks and drain the gas out that way. Thieves are so much more inventive than we are. They seem to stay one step ahead of any measure we take. Imagine the poor vehicle owner, who turns his key and KA-BOOM!!! From: mark.al...@l-3com.com Subject: RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:42:34 -0500 To: wavyca...@gmail.com; power_lou...@hotmail.com CC: dlocklea...@gmail.com; o...@texascavers.com There was an article in the Dallas Morning News this past week addressing this and how restaurants and vendors that collect/recycle this stuff are being robbed blind by grease bandits. May be a great way to make your own fuel, but, yuck! Also read how gas stations are experiencing higher drive offs and people getting their gas tanks siphoned. Better get a locking gas cap, y'all! Later, Mark From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: Fri 5/23/2008 12:20 PM To: Louise Power Cc: David; o...@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Yes, it is indeed do-able. All you need are vehicles with diesel engines, some vats, chemicals and pumps to take out all the glycerin and impurities and filter it all out. It is quite an effective way to go as long as you've got local restraunts agreeable to waste oil take out. -WaV On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.commailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: I saw a story on the news the other day about some guy in California (of course) who had converted his vehicle to run on cooking oil which he recycled from local restaurants. He said it worked well and the only downside was that his garage smelled like a French fry.
RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand
It's probably cheaper in the long run just to get a new one. I'm not sure I'd want to drive with a repaired tank. Remember, KA-BOOM! From: fholt@townandcountryins.comTo: power_lou...@hotmail.com; mark.al...@l-3com.com; wavycaver@gmail.comCC: dlocklea...@gmail.com; ot@texascavers.comList-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:34:20 -0500Subject: RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Due to the labor involved, repairing a drilled or ruptured gas tank will be an expensive repair job if you pay someone else to do it. They do not employ practical (cheap) methods. Fritz From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 3:17 PMTo: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Don CooperCc: David; ot@texascavers.comSubject: RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Even worse, there was a story on the news the other night talking about how even if people got locking gas caps, thieves would drill small holes in the gas tanks and drain the gas out that way. Thieves are so much more inventive than we are. They seem to stay one step ahead of any measure we take. Imagine the poor vehicle owner, who turns his key and KA-BOOM!!! From: mark.alman@l-3com.comSubject: RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demandDate: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:42:34 -0500To: wavyca...@gmail.com; power_louise@hotmail.comCC: dlocklea...@gmail.com; o...@texascavers.com There was an article in the Dallas Morning News this past week addressing this and how restaurants and vendors that collect/recycle this stuff are being robbed blind by grease bandits. May be a great way to make your own fuel, but, yuck! Also read how gas stations are experiencing higher drive offs and people getting their gas tanks siphoned. Better get a locking gas cap, y'all! Later, Mark From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com]Sent: Fri 5/23/2008 12:20 PMTo: Louise PowerCc: David; ot@texascavers.comSubject: Re: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Yes, it is indeed do-able. All you need are vehicles with diesel engines, some vats, chemicals and pumps to take out all the glycerin and impurities and filter it all out. It is quite an effective way to go as long as you've got local restraunts agreeable to waste oil take out.-WaV On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: I saw a story on the news the other day about some guy in California (of course) who had converted his vehicle to run on cooking oil which he recycled from local restaurants. He said it worked well and the only downside was that his garage smelled like a French fry.
Re: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand
Actually it wouldn't have to cost so much. You can have an insert installed that has a bolt through it. After which, gas thieves could just remove the bolt instead of drilling another hole in your tank. The best solution would be to set an example to other gas thieves by installing holes in their scull with a high to medium velocity projectile. But other than killing off the low life - I think the best solutions might possibly be the most cost-effective ones. -WaV On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: It's probably cheaper in the long run just to get a new one. I'm not sure I'd want to drive with a repaired tank. Remember, KA-BOOM! -- From: fh...@townandcountryins.com To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; mark.al...@l-3com.com; wavyca...@gmail.com CC: dlocklea...@gmail.com; o...@texascavers.com Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:34:20 -0500 Subject: RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Due to the labor involved, repairing a drilled or ruptured gas tank will be an expensive repair job if you pay someone else to do it. They do not employ practical (cheap) methods. Fritz -- *From:* Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2008 3:17 PM *To:* mark.al...@l-3com.com; Don Cooper *Cc:* David; o...@texascavers.com *Subject:* RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Even worse, there was a story on the news the other night talking about how even if people got locking gas caps, thieves would drill small holes in the gas tanks and drain the gas out that way. Thieves are so much more inventive than we are. They seem to stay one step ahead of any measure we take. Imagine the poor vehicle owner, who turns his key and KA-BOOM!!! -- From: mark.al...@l-3com.com Subject: RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:42:34 -0500 To: wavyca...@gmail.com; power_lou...@hotmail.com CC: dlocklea...@gmail.com; o...@texascavers.com There was an article in the *Dallas Morning News* this past week addressing this and how restaurants and vendors that collect/recycle this stuff are being robbed blind by grease bandits. May be a great way to make your own fuel, but, yuck! Also read how gas stations are experiencing higher drive offs and people getting their gas tanks siphoned. Better get a locking gas cap, y'all! Later, Mark -- *From:* Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Fri 5/23/2008 12:20 PM *To:* Louise Power *Cc:* David; o...@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Yes, it is indeed do-able. All you need are vehicles with diesel engines, some vats, chemicals and pumps to take out all the glycerin and impurities and filter it all out. It is quite an effective way to go as long as you've got local restraunts agreeable to waste oil take out. -WaV On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: I saw a story on the news the other day about some guy in California (of course) who had converted his vehicle to run on cooking oil which he recycled from local restaurants. He said it worked well and the only downside was that his garage smelled like a French fry.
[ot_caving] gas supply and demand
It is my observation that millions of Americans are modifying their cars by putting excessively large chrome wheels on their cars. I am certain that this causes the car to get worse gas mileage.These rims are not aerodynamic and are heavy. In addition, the larger tires they are upgrading to are also using more gas as they are wider. The stress put on the cars axle by these tires is surely going to where out the axle bearings faster. The factories that make all of these rims, and tires and bearings are going to need fuel to keep running. Future cars will have to have lightweight aerodynamic ( meaning ugly ) rims and tires in order to lower their EPA estimated mileage. That was what they did on the Honda Insight. The hybrid drivetrain only played a small role in the high EPA rating. I think it is going to be difficult to make an off-road vehicle that is fuel efficient. But hopefully soon, caver will be able to pick them up dirt cheap as their owners will not be able to put gas in them. David - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
