Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[MJ Gibbs via Texascavers]

Charlie, are you perchance min to the Loving family from Windcrest in San
Antonio? I know a Cathy Loving. We graduated from Roosevelt together.

On Oct 11, 2017 8:00 PM, "Charles Loving via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> I read them.
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 4:39 PM, David via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> From David Locklear
>> dlocklea...@gmail.com
>>
>> I have started some off-topic venting about current news related events
>> in the media. (on my private Facebook page) at:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/dlocklear01
>>
>> I have been trying hard to stay off the internet for 2 months, but
>> Facebook seems to be best for venting.
>>
>> There is a public Facebook page for cavers to vent
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/Venting.Cavers/
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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

I read them.

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 4:39 PM, David via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> From David Locklear
> dlocklea...@gmail.com
>
> I have started some off-topic venting about current news related events in
> the media. (on my private Facebook page) at:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/dlocklear01
>
> I have been trying hard to stay off the internet for 2 months, but
> Facebook seems to be best for venting.
>
> There is a public Facebook page for cavers to vent
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/Venting.Cavers/
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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[cathywinfrey7]

And this is why I'm not on Facebook.
-cathy winfrey


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 Original message From: Louise Power 
<power_lou...@hotmail.com> Date:02/27/2017  8:34 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: 
[Texascavers] Facebook related 
Dig on, oh Great One. Is this a good juicy case? I got slammed by someone 
in your area about 3 years ago. The emails were vile and threatening. When the 
local police traced them to Texas I got in touch with Logan and he was able to 
identify the sender for me and said he'd sent the same type of email to other 
women in the state. I wish I'd had enough info to sue him. 

I don't use Facebook for the very reason that nobody needs to know that much 
about me.

Louise


 
From: Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> on behalf of Charles 
Loving <lovingi...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:34 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related
 
Bockbeer in Acuna with some strange people.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:39 PM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
Way back around 2009 ( I think ) I was trying to encourage cavers to use 
Facebook.I think I even posted once on CaveTex about it.At first, it 
was met with lots of resistance.

Flash forward 7 years,

I was hired this week and paid respectably by an attorney to excavate Facebook 
to dig up dirty laundry on his client's accuser.That person had posted a 
harmless joke on a public forum, but it may be just barely enough to convince a 
jury that the defendant can not be proven guilty. 

I am just saying that this is probably happening every day, so be very careful 
about what you post on the internet.

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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Bruce Anderson]

So

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> On Feb 28, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Bob Oakley <a452...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> couldn't be boystown. they will not let him in
> 
> 
> 
> From: Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> on behalf of Bruce 
> Anderson <brewsky...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:50 PM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related
>  
> Is that in boys town?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 27, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Charles Loving <lovingi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Bockbeer in Acuna with some strange people.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:39 PM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Way back around 2009 ( I think ) I was trying to encourage cavers to use 
>>> Facebook.I think I even posted once on CaveTex about it.At first, 
>>> it was met with lots of resistance.
>>> 
>>> Flash forward 7 years,
>>> 
>>> I was hired this week and paid respectably by an attorney to excavate 
>>> Facebook to dig up dirty laundry on his client's accuser.That person 
>>> had posted a harmless joke on a public forum, but it may be just barely 
>>> enough to convince a jury that the defendant can not be proven guilty. 
>>> 
>>> I am just saying that this is probably happening every day, so be very 
>>> careful about what you post on the internet.
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Bob Oakley]

couldn't be boystown. they will not let him in



From: Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> on behalf of Bruce 
Anderson <brewsky...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:50 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

Is that in boys town?

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Charles Loving 
<lovingi...@gmail.com<mailto:lovingi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Bockbeer in Acuna with some strange people.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:39 PM, David 
<dlocklea...@gmail.com<mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Way back around 2009 ( I think ) I was trying to encourage cavers to use 
Facebook.I think I even posted once on CaveTex about it.At first, it 
was met with lots of resistance.

Flash forward 7 years,

I was hired this week and paid respectably by an attorney to excavate Facebook 
to dig up dirty laundry on his client's accuser.That person had posted a 
harmless joke on a public forum, but it may be just barely enough to convince a 
jury that the defendant can not be proven guilty.

I am just saying that this is probably happening every day, so be very careful 
about what you post on the internet.

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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Louise Power]

Dig on, oh Great One. Is this a good juicy case? I got slammed by someone in 
your area about 3 years ago. The emails were vile and threatening. When the 
local police traced them to Texas I got in touch with Logan and he was able to 
identify the sender for me and said he'd sent the same type of email to other 
women in the state. I wish I'd had enough info to sue him.


I don't use Facebook for the very reason that nobody needs to know that much 
about me.


Louise



From: Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> on behalf of Charles 
Loving <lovingi...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:34 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

Bockbeer in Acuna with some strange people.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:39 PM, David 
<dlocklea...@gmail.com<mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Way back around 2009 ( I think ) I was trying to encourage cavers to use 
Facebook.I think I even posted once on CaveTex about it.At first, it 
was met with lots of resistance.

Flash forward 7 years,

I was hired this week and paid respectably by an attorney to excavate Facebook 
to dig up dirty laundry on his client's accuser.That person had posted a 
harmless joke on a public forum, but it may be just barely enough to convince a 
jury that the defendant can not be proven guilty.

I am just saying that this is probably happening every day, so be very careful 
about what you post on the internet.

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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Any pic with McClung is incriminating evidence!  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Bruce Anderson  wrote:
> 
> Is that in boys town?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
>> 
>> Bockbeer in Acuna with some strange people.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:39 PM, David  wrote:
>>> Way back around 2009 ( I think ) I was trying to encourage cavers to use 
>>> Facebook.I think I even posted once on CaveTex about it.At first, 
>>> it was met with lots of resistance.
>>> 
>>> Flash forward 7 years,
>>> 
>>> I was hired this week and paid respectably by an attorney to excavate 
>>> Facebook to dig up dirty laundry on his client's accuser.That person 
>>> had posted a harmless joke on a public forum, but it may be just barely 
>>> enough to convince a jury that the defendant can not be proven guilty. 
>>> 
>>> I am just saying that this is probably happening every day, so be very 
>>> careful about what you post on the internet.
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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Bruce Anderson]

Is that in boys town?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
> 
> Bockbeer in Acuna with some strange people.
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:39 PM, David  wrote:
>> Way back around 2009 ( I think ) I was trying to encourage cavers to use 
>> Facebook.I think I even posted once on CaveTex about it.At first, it 
>> was met with lots of resistance.
>> 
>> Flash forward 7 years,
>> 
>> I was hired this week and paid respectably by an attorney to excavate 
>> Facebook to dig up dirty laundry on his client's accuser.That person had 
>> posted a harmless joke on a public forum, but it may be just barely enough 
>> to convince a jury that the defendant can not be proven guilty. 
>> 
>> I am just saying that this is probably happening every day, so be very 
>> careful about what you post on the internet.
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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

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"Self-knowledge is always bad news.." John Barth in GILES GOAT-BOY.Sep 27, 2011 11:15:43 AM, dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:
If you have no intentions of every using Facebook, please do not readany further.I am almost willing to admit that Facebook has been a distraction from caving.A few cavers have been experimenting with the new Timeline version ofFacebook thatwill supposedly roll out October 4th.What is interesting to cavers about this feature, is that you canchronologically organizeevery muddy passage you have every crawled down, every foot of surveyyou have ever done,and everyone you ever went caving with.You click on a "+" symbol on the top right of the screen and you get amenu to add the dateand description of the memory, and attach photos related to that memory.For example, you would say. "1986 - made the connection to LiNita" and attachany interesting story that you wanted to, "afterwards we celebrated byhaving a beerwith the rancher." or whatever happened. ( I am guessing the year of that )Sith Zuckerberg is betting that the teenagers and college students aregoing to embrace this idea. I thinkmy parent's generation will think it is a total waste of time.They will say, "who wants to read someoneelse's diary ? or that is creepy having people that you barely know,that they know so much about you, andyou spend too much time on-line as it is, etc."After playing with Timeline for about 2 hours, I can say it is thebest diary-like program that I have seen, butwhat is unique ( or some might claim, remarkable ) is the way theyintegrated it into Facebook.David Locklear-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

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RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Stefan Creaser]

I thought diaries were supposed to be private?

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Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:15 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related

If you have no intentions of every using Facebook, please do not read
any further.



I am almost willing to admit that Facebook has been a distraction from caving.

A few cavers have been experimenting with the new Timeline version of
Facebook that
will supposedly roll out October 4th.



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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

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"Self-knowledge is always bad news.." John Barth in GILES GOAT-BOY.Sep 27, 2011 11:15:43 AM, dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:
If you have no intentions of every using Facebook, please do not readany further.I am almost willing to admit that Facebook has been a distraction from caving.A few cavers have been experimenting with the new Timeline version ofFacebook thatwill supposedly roll out October 4th.What is interesting to cavers about this feature, is that you canchronologically organizeevery muddy passage you have every crawled down, every foot of surveyyou have ever done,and everyone you ever went caving with.You click on a "+" symbol on the top right of the screen and you get amenu to add the dateand description of the memory, and attach photos related to that memory.For example, you would say. "1986 - made the connection to LiNita" and attachany interesting story that you wanted to, "afterwards we celebrated byhaving a beerwith the rancher." or whatever happened. ( I am guessing the year of that )Sith Zuckerberg is betting that the teenagers and college students aregoing to embrace this idea. I thinkmy parent's generation will think it is a total waste of time.They will say, "who wants to read someoneelse's diary ? or that is creepy having people that you barely know,that they know so much about you, andyou spend too much time on-line as it is, etc."After playing with Timeline for about 2 hours, I can say it is thebest diary-like program that I have seen, butwhat is unique ( or some might claim, remarkable ) is the way theyintegrated it into Facebook.David Locklear-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

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RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Stefan Creaser]

I thought diaries were supposed to be private?

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From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:15 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related

If you have no intentions of every using Facebook, please do not read
any further.



I am almost willing to admit that Facebook has been a distraction from caving.

A few cavers have been experimenting with the new Timeline version of
Facebook that
will supposedly roll out October 4th.



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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

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"Self-knowledge is always bad news.." John Barth in GILES GOAT-BOY.Sep 27, 2011 11:15:43 AM, dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:
If you have no intentions of every using Facebook, please do not readany further.I am almost willing to admit that Facebook has been a distraction from caving.A few cavers have been experimenting with the new Timeline version ofFacebook thatwill supposedly roll out October 4th.What is interesting to cavers about this feature, is that you canchronologically organizeevery muddy passage you have every crawled down, every foot of surveyyou have ever done,and everyone you ever went caving with.You click on a "+" symbol on the top right of the screen and you get amenu to add the dateand description of the memory, and attach photos related to that memory.For example, you would say. "1986 - made the connection to LiNita" and attachany interesting story that you wanted to, "afterwards we celebrated byhaving a beerwith the rancher." or whatever happened. ( I am guessing the year of that )Sith Zuckerberg is betting that the teenagers and college students aregoing to embrace this idea. I thinkmy parent's generation will think it is a total waste of time.They will say, "who wants to read someoneelse's diary ? or that is creepy having people that you barely know,that they know so much about you, andyou spend too much time on-line as it is, etc."After playing with Timeline for about 2 hours, I can say it is thebest diary-like program that I have seen, butwhat is unique ( or some might claim, remarkable ) is the way theyintegrated it into Facebook.David Locklear-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

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RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Stefan Creaser]

I thought diaries were supposed to be private?

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From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:15 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related

If you have no intentions of every using Facebook, please do not read
any further.



I am almost willing to admit that Facebook has been a distraction from caving.

A few cavers have been experimenting with the new Timeline version of
Facebook that
will supposedly roll out October 4th.



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[ot_caving] RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Fritz Holt]

David, 

As previously mentioned, I don't do facebook but can't most cavers be reached 
via cavetex and OT? I hope to join you there Saturday.

Fritz

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From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 2:49 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related

I am right now sending out personal invitations via e-mail to the 500
NSS members in Texas to
invite them to NaturFest.

This would be 100 times easier if all of these people were on Facebook
and on a common caving group
page such as, AllTexas Caver, or the TSA group.

Most of the e-mails so far have bounced back, and many don't have
e-mails.   Some are obvious typos.
Many have weird e-mail addresses that you have to carefully proofread,
which is no fun.

I would like to personally thank Mark Zuckerberg and the guys he stole
the idea from for making this
much easier.Facebook is the best way at the moment to plan events,
but I can see something else
coming along someday to do it even better, and I am willing to bet it
will be a product from the winner
of the Android/iOS war.

Someone should try to track the folks down in the NSS manual and send
them a Facebook invite to their
favorite group.


I am leaving for Brenham in just 4 days to start setting things up, so
this is the last chance I will get to
send out invites.   If you never get an invite, it was not
intentional.Some of you didn't want one and
got it several times from different sources.Sorry about that.

Weather outlook so far for NaturFest is looking warm and muggy during
the day, but not so bad at night.

I have invited a whole lot more people this year, so if some of them
come, the event should break even.

David Locklear

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[ot_caving] RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Fritz Holt]

David, 

As previously mentioned, I don't do facebook but can't most cavers be reached 
via cavetex and OT? I hope to join you there Saturday.

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 2:49 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related

I am right now sending out personal invitations via e-mail to the 500
NSS members in Texas to
invite them to NaturFest.

This would be 100 times easier if all of these people were on Facebook
and on a common caving group
page such as, AllTexas Caver, or the TSA group.

Most of the e-mails so far have bounced back, and many don't have
e-mails.   Some are obvious typos.
Many have weird e-mail addresses that you have to carefully proofread,
which is no fun.

I would like to personally thank Mark Zuckerberg and the guys he stole
the idea from for making this
much easier.Facebook is the best way at the moment to plan events,
but I can see something else
coming along someday to do it even better, and I am willing to bet it
will be a product from the winner
of the Android/iOS war.

Someone should try to track the folks down in the NSS manual and send
them a Facebook invite to their
favorite group.


I am leaving for Brenham in just 4 days to start setting things up, so
this is the last chance I will get to
send out invites.   If you never get an invite, it was not
intentional.Some of you didn't want one and
got it several times from different sources.Sorry about that.

Weather outlook so far for NaturFest is looking warm and muggy during
the day, but not so bad at night.

I have invited a whole lot more people this year, so if some of them
come, the event should break even.

David Locklear

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RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Fritz Holt]

Thanks, but I will stick with e-mail.

Geezer

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:16 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related

Facebook has taken over e-mail for communicating with groups like caving clubs.

It is so easy to create a new group:

 http://www.facebook.com/groups

All the latest smartphones and tablets are Facebook friendly.

It is hard to say where this is all heading. But after playing with Facebook
on a 7 tablet with wireless broadband service ( 4G ), it seems to have a
bright future for several years to come.

Having your caving group communicate this way instead of say Yahoo Groups,
or a list-serve ( like this one ) is much more efficient.There is
more info readily
available, and instant chat is integrated into the service.

There is a bright side to all of this.I will be doing less posting
on CaveTex.

David Locklear


P.S.

My prediction is,

the next big thing in Tablets is the ability to get their broadband in
remote areas.

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RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Fritz Holt]

Thanks, but I will stick with e-mail.

Geezer

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:16 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related

Facebook has taken over e-mail for communicating with groups like caving clubs.

It is so easy to create a new group:

 http://www.facebook.com/groups

All the latest smartphones and tablets are Facebook friendly.

It is hard to say where this is all heading. But after playing with Facebook
on a 7 tablet with wireless broadband service ( 4G ), it seems to have a
bright future for several years to come.

Having your caving group communicate this way instead of say Yahoo Groups,
or a list-serve ( like this one ) is much more efficient.There is
more info readily
available, and instant chat is integrated into the service.

There is a bright side to all of this.I will be doing less posting
on CaveTex.

David Locklear


P.S.

My prediction is,

the next big thing in Tablets is the ability to get their broadband in
remote areas.

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RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Fritz Holt]

Thanks, but I will stick with e-mail.

Geezer

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:16 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related

Facebook has taken over e-mail for communicating with groups like caving clubs.

It is so easy to create a new group:

 http://www.facebook.com/groups

All the latest smartphones and tablets are Facebook friendly.

It is hard to say where this is all heading. But after playing with Facebook
on a 7 tablet with wireless broadband service ( 4G ), it seems to have a
bright future for several years to come.

Having your caving group communicate this way instead of say Yahoo Groups,
or a list-serve ( like this one ) is much more efficient.There is
more info readily
available, and instant chat is integrated into the service.

There is a bright side to all of this.I will be doing less posting
on CaveTex.

David Locklear


P.S.

My prediction is,

the next big thing in Tablets is the ability to get their broadband in
remote areas.

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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Gill Edigar]

Facebook was originally designed for teenagers. Adults found it so fun
and useful that they usurped it. Yes, there is a lot of trivial BS
that has to be waded through but once on the other side FB offers a
lot of fun, entertainment, information on friends  current events,
and educational opportunities that most folks who aren't sequestered
in their personal hermitage can benefit from. Very seldom has so much
information (useful and otherwise) been available to so many for so
little effort and expense.
--Ediger

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Fritz Holt
fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote:
 I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to communicate 
 with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and indispensable) 
 telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to cavers, what's 
 wrong with texascavers@texascavers.com or OT?

 Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
 713-818-2496 ATT cell

 -Original Message-
 From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
 To: Cavers Texas
 Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related

 Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
 CaveTex.

 Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and 
 socializing
 in a way that was never done on CaveTex.

 Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
 Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.

 Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver 
 has.
 Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
 not possible on Cavetex.

 Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
 planning feature
 of Facebook.    This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.

 As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
 several caving organizations in Texas.

 Below is an example:

     http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179

 I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete.     It is just a different form or 
 resource
 for communicating.

 Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
 CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
 or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
 bats.

 I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
 many of the other
 things I used to post about.   Most other cavers have too.

 It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon.      All the latest
 cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
 tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips.

 The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving
 in Texas even more fun, or productive.    For example, a cave rescue call-out
 might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig 
 project.
 You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook 
 friends
 to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
 particular project.

 For example,

     http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive


 Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:

     http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087


 David Locklear
 co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout

 http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713

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RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Fofo]

MySpace... I should join that. I think it's growing like crazy and doing great.

nbsp;:)

nbsp;nbsp; nbsp; - Fofo

On Jan 12, 2011 10:08, Fritz Holt lt;fh...@townandcountryins.comgt; wrote: 

I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to communicate 
with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and indispensable) 
telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to cavers, what's wrong 
with texascavers@texascavers.com or OT?



Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)

713-818-2496 ATamp;T cell



-Original Message-

From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM

To: Cavers Texas

Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related



Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than

CaveTex.



Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and socializing

in a way that was never done on CaveTex.



Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about

Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.



Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver has.

Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were

not possible on Cavetex.



Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events

planning feature

of Facebook.This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.



As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does

several caving organizations in Texas.



Below is an example:



 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179



I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or resource

for communicating.



Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on

CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers

or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and

bats.



I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and

many of the other

things I used to post about.   Most other cavers have too.



It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon.  All the latest

cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable

tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips.



The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving

in Texas even more fun, or productive.For example, a cave rescue call-out

might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig project.

You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook friends

to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that

particular project.



For example,



 http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive





Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:



 http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087





David Locklear

co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout



http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713



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[ot_caving] RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Fritz Holt]

No argument against this mode for those with the time to devote to basically 
non productive endeavors, myself included. Fun entertainment, information?
One can get all of this on the internet without being on facebook. OT works 
fine for me.

F

-Original Message-
From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:56 PM
To: Fritz Holt
Cc: David; Cavers Texas; Off-Topic Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

Facebook was originally designed for teenagers. Adults found it so fun
and useful that they usurped it. Yes, there is a lot of trivial BS
that has to be waded through but once on the other side FB offers a
lot of fun, entertainment, information on friends  current events,
and educational opportunities that most folks who aren't sequestered
in their personal hermitage can benefit from. Very seldom has so much
information (useful and otherwise) been available to so many for so
little effort and expense.
--Ediger

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Fritz Holt
fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote:
 I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to communicate 
 with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and indispensable) 
 telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to cavers, what's 
 wrong with texascavers@texascavers.com or OT?

 Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
 713-818-2496 ATT cell

 -Original Message-
 From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
 To: Cavers Texas
 Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related

 Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
 CaveTex.

 Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and 
 socializing
 in a way that was never done on CaveTex.

 Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
 Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.

 Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver 
 has.
 Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
 not possible on Cavetex.

 Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
 planning feature
 of Facebook.    This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.

 As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
 several caving organizations in Texas.

 Below is an example:

     http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179

 I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete.     It is just a different form or 
 resource
 for communicating.

 Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
 CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
 or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
 bats.

 I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
 many of the other
 things I used to post about.   Most other cavers have too.

 It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon.      All the latest
 cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
 tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips.

 The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving
 in Texas even more fun, or productive.    For example, a cave rescue call-out
 might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig 
 project.
 You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook 
 friends
 to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
 particular project.

 For example,

     http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive


 Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:

     http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087


 David Locklear
 co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout

 http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713

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RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Louise Power]

Nor am I. These social websires are entirely too cavalier with one's personal 
information.
 
 From: fh...@townandcountryins.com
 To: dlocklea...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; o...@texascavers.com
 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:07:58 -0600
 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related
 
 I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to communicate 
 with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and indispensable) 
 telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to cavers, what's 
 wrong with texascavers@texascavers.com or OT?
 
 Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
 713-818-2496 ATT cell
 
 -Original Message-
 From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
 To: Cavers Texas
 Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related
 
 Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
 CaveTex.
 
 Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and 
 socializing
 in a way that was never done on CaveTex.
 
 Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
 Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.
 
 Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver 
 has.
 Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
 not possible on Cavetex.
 
 Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
 planning feature
 of Facebook. This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.
 
 As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
 several caving organizations in Texas.
 
 Below is an example:
 
 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179
 
 I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or resource
 for communicating.
 
 Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
 CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
 or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
 bats.
 
 I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
 many of the other
 things I used to post about. Most other cavers have too.
 
 It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon. All the latest
 cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
 tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips.
 
 The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving
 in Texas even more fun, or productive. For example, a cave rescue call-out
 might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig 
 project.
 You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook 
 friends
 to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
 particular project.
 
 For example,
 
 http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive
 
 
 Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:
 
 http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087
 
 
 David Locklear
 co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout
 
 http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Daniel Morgan]

This conversation is starting to remind me of the 90s when I first told my
parents that I wanted to order a book online and they thought I was crazy.

It's called Amazon dot com. I'll give you cash if can use your credit card
to order it for me.
You want to put my credit card on THE INTERNET?! What's wrong with book
stores? Book stores have books.

I watch the TexasCaver email list, obviously, but using e-mail as a
discussion forum for hundreds of people is not terribly elegant. Other than
mine us for our precious bodily fluids, er... I mean private information,
free-form discussions amongst groups of people is what sites like Facebook
do best.

I'm putting this whole thread in a time capsule for 5 years from now.

Daniel Morgan

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote:

  Nor am I. These social websires are entirely too cavalier with one's
 personal information.

  From: fh...@townandcountryins.com
  To: dlocklea...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com;
 o...@texascavers.com
  Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:07:58 -0600
  Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related

 
  I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to
 communicate with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and
 indispensable) telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to
 cavers, what's wrong with texascavers@texascavers.com or OT?
 
  Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker)
  713-818-2496 ATT cell
 
  -Original Message-
  From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM
  To: Cavers Texas
  Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related
 
  Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
  CaveTex.
 
  Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and
 socializing
  in a way that was never done on CaveTex.
 
  Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
  Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.
 
  Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas
 caver has.
  Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
  not possible on Cavetex.
 
  Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
  planning feature
  of Facebook. This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.
 
  As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as
 does
  several caving organizations in Texas.
 
  Below is an example:
 
  http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179
 
  I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or
 resource
  for communicating.
 
  Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
  CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good
 cavers
  or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
  bats.
 
  I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
  many of the other
  things I used to post about. Most other cavers have too.
 
  It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon. All the latest
  cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
  tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their
 road-trips.
 
  The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make
 caving
  in Texas even more fun, or productive. For example, a cave rescue
 call-out
  might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig
 project.
  You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook
 friends
  to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
  particular project.
 
  For example,
 
  http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive
 
 
  Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:
 
  http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087
 
 
  David Locklear
  co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout
 
 
 http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Gill Edigar]

Don't know if you've noticed but I post the same stuff on both of them
if I think it's interesting enough.
--Ediger

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:19 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
 CaveTex.

 Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and 
 socializing
 in a way that was never done on CaveTex.

 Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
 Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.

 Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver 
 has.
 Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
 not possible on Cavetex.

 Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
 planning feature
 of Facebook.    This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.

 As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
 several caving organizations in Texas.

 Below is an example:

     http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179

 I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete.     It is just a different form or 
 resource
 for communicating.

 Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
 CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
 or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
 bats.

 I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
 many of the other
 things I used to post about.   Most other cavers have too.

 It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon.      All the latest
 cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
 tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips.

 The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving
 in Texas even more fun, or productive.    For example, a cave rescue call-out
 might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig 
 project.
 You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook 
 friends
 to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
 particular project.

 For example,

     http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive


 Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:

     http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087


 David Locklear
 co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout

 http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713

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Re: Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[tbsamsel]

Semaphore is always in good taste.

TAug 1, 2009 10:52:40 AM, ca...@caver.net wrote:
I was still mailing post cards, or making land-line calls.I prefer telegraphy to voice land lines...- Original Message - From: "David" dlocklea...@gmail.comTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:40 AMSubject: [Texascavers] Facebook related It looks like at least 100 Texas cavers are on Facebook, and conversation is more active there between cavers than on CaveTex. I have only been there a month, so I don't know when Facebook became so  popular among Texas cavers. But it seems that ICS generated a reason for cavers to connect with each other on Facebook. I certainly can now identify more Texas cavers by face and name than I could prior to ICS and Facebook. I only wanted to point that out, because it could have a positive effect on Texas caving, and in 10 years we can look back and note that something occurred on the caving scene in the summer of 2009. I don't think it is a fad. I think as more and more people grow accustomed to texting on their portable gadgets, that cavers are going to be in almost constant contact with one another. That is completely different, from the way cavers organized trips just 10 years ago. I was still mailing post cards, or making land-line calls. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Bill Bentley]

I was still mailing

post cards, or making land-line calls.

I prefer telegraphy to voice land lines...

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To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:40 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related



It looks like at least 100 Texas cavers are on Facebook, and
conversation is more active
there between cavers than on CaveTex.

I have only been there a month, so I don't know when Facebook became so 
popular

among Texas cavers.

But it seems that ICS generated a reason for cavers to connect with
each other on Facebook.

I certainly can now identify more Texas cavers by face and name than I
could prior to ICS and Facebook.

I only wanted to point that out, because it could have a positive
effect on Texas caving, and in 10 years
we can look back and note that something occurred on the caving scene
in the summer of 2009.

I don't think it is a fad. I think as more and more people grow
accustomed to texting on their portable
gadgets, that cavers are going to be in almost constant contact with
one another.

That is completely different, from the way cavers organized trips just
10 years ago.I was still mailing
post cards, or making land-line calls.

David Locklear

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