Re: [Texascavers] Administrative update
Charles, Thank you very much for taking care of this chore. Bill -- Original message -- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Just a small update from the list-owner around here. 2006 was a very good and successful year for Texascavers.com and our mailing list. Things are stable, everyone is having a good time and no major problems around here. A few months ago I was browsing around some old email and found my very first email from the original cavetex.net mailing list, our previous home of this wonderful mailing list. It got me to thinking and I went to see if the domain was available, and low and behold, cavetex.net was unowned. I snatched up quickly, then put it in my notes of things to do. Well, I totally forgot about it, lost my notes, dog ate them, you know the story. Anyways, it struck me tonight to go looking for that domain, and realized I already owned the rights to it :) Anyways, long story made short, http://cavetex.net is alive, it points to a quick and dirty webpage on http://texascavers.com that gives a description and why it's there. Nothing special, just thought I would let everyone know that our old home lives. Any old emails sent to that domain will get forwarded to the new one. This is just in case someone has a really old bookmark and tries to find the new list. Something that should have been done much sooner, but that's the life of a hobbyist in the wide world of the interweb :) Now, back to your regularly scheduled chitchat about caving, have a great year! Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Administrative update
Charles, I think this is very cool news. I thought you might enjoy the post below from the previous century, when, as I vaguely recall, flaming arguments and mass unsubscribing roughly coincided with the moving the cavetex email server. And when, apparently, I was in the mood to wax poetic. Take care, Russ K. Johnson 1207 Ford St. Llano, TX 78643 -Original Message- From: Johnson, Russ [mailto:johns...@mail.rfweston.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 2:39 PM To: cave...@mailing-list.net Subject: CaveTex: Eulogy Some will say that Cavetex is better off now. We needed only accept Cavetex and we would be served. It was out there for us. For each of us. -- Texas Caver Cavetex suffered a brutal bought with self destructivism several weeks ago. Self doubt and noisy confidence took up arms, heaping insult upon injury. Everyone could see. Everyone knew. By Cavetex' own nature, our friend did not hide the intensifying conflict. This must certainly have put the caretakers of our soon forgotten patron on alert. And to be sure they took steps to stop the hemorrhaging. But our precious friend never did recover, choosing instead to die nobly. It is as painful as it is plain, to those who knew and loved Cavetex, that too much was lost. In the silent vacuum of the calm after the storm, our companion had no choice but to withdraw...there was nothing left to show, nothing more to share. Who in our community can say that they do not notice; the once fertile fields of discussion now lay barren. The cure worse than the disease...Cavetex knew this. And rather than be subject to such treatment from those it lived to serve, Cavetex has chosen not to live. And it will be our loss. We will all miss Cavetex and reminisce about the long gone days when we all were part of the Golden Age of Cavetex. We will delude ourselves into believing that it was not our fault. We will inevitably forget our shame. Cavetex would not want us to mourn. Not having such a collection of eccentrics to deal with will be a peaceful and welcome change I'm sure. I'll bet Cavetex sensed the fast approaching rapture, and faithfully laid down everything, I say to you, acquiesced to the pulling of the plug, for our sake...but who am I to eulogize... And be forewarned...my fellow cavers and friends, I submit that any reinvention or supposed reincarnation of the old is not the same. Cavetex is dead. A new server should be called by another name. Perhaps comfortless substitute is appropriate, or maybe Empty Holetex. But I condemn any attempt to name an imposter Cavetex as tasteless at best, and at worst...sacrilegious. Russ Johnson UT Grotto Caver, amateur satirist, and future evangelical magnate NSS43751 -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:54 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Administrative update Just a small update from the list-owner around here. 2006 was a very good and successful year for Texascavers.com and our mailing list. Things are stable, everyone is having a good time and no major problems around here. A few months ago I was browsing around some old email and found my very first email from the original cavetex.net mailing list, our previous home of this wonderful mailing list. It got me to thinking and I went to see if the domain was available, and low and behold, cavetex.net was unowned. I snatched up quickly, then put it in my notes of things to do. Well, I totally forgot about it, lost my notes, dog ate them, you know the story. Anyways, it struck me tonight to go looking for that domain, and realized I already owned the rights to it :) Anyways, long story made short, http://cavetex.net is alive, it points to a quick and dirty webpage on http://texascavers.com that gives a description and why it's there. Nothing special, just thought I would let everyone know that our old home lives. Any old emails sent to that domain will get forwarded to the new one. This is just in case someone has a really old bookmark and tries to find the new list. Something that should have been done much sooner, but that's the life of a hobbyist in the wide world of the interweb :) Now, back to your regularly scheduled chitchat about caving, have a great year! Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Administrative update
Charles, Thanks for all your work on behalf of keeping us cavers connected. I have profound respect for you folks who have charged into the inner workings of the web. I have just started an online HTML course. This week's first lesson is really scary. I'll be interested in checking what I can learn from the source code on cavetex and maybe help Randy Baker with our Bexar Grotto site. Where did you learn html?? Rick Corbell From:Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.orgTo:texascavers@texascavers.comSubject:[Texascavers] Administrative updateDate:Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:53:41 -0600Just a small update from the list-owner around here.2006 was a very good and successful year for Texascavers.com and our mailing list.Things are stable, everyone is having a good time and no major problems around here.A few months ago I was browsing around some old email and found my very first email from the original cavetex.net mailing list, our previous home of this wonderful mailing list.It got me to thinking and I went to see if the domain was available, and low and behold, cavetex.net was unowned.I snatched up quickly, then put it in my notes of things to do.Well, I totally forgot about it, lost my notes, dog ate them, you know the story.Anyways, it struck me tonight to go looking for that domain, and realized I already owned the rights to it :)Anyways, long story made short, http://cavetex.net is alive, it points to a quick and dirty webpage on http://texascavers.com that gives a description and why it's there.Nothing special, just thought I would let everyone know that our old home lives.Any old emails sent to that domain will get forwarded to the new one.This is just in case someone has a really old bookmark and tries to find the new list.Something that should have been done much sooner, but that's the life of a hobbyist in the wide world of the interweb :)Now, back to your regularly scheduled chitchat about caving, have a great year!Charles-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Fixing up the home? Live Search can help
Re: [Texascavers] Administrative update
Hey Bill, long time no chatter. It's my small way of contributing. It's easier to contribute when its something we do for our jobs anyway and already have the resources available to get the task accomplished. I typically only get one or two emails a month about he mailing list, usually just a question or asking for digest access. It literaly only takes me minutes to maintain the list over the month, so its no work. I initally invested very little money and only a few hours to move and setup the mailing list from Bill Bentley. No muss and no fuss, and everyone is happy. See you underground! speleoste...@comcast.net wrote: Charles, Thank you very much for taking care of this chore. Bill -- Original message -- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Just a small update from the list-owner around here. 2006 was a very good and successful year for Texascavers.com and our mailing list. Things are stable, everyone is having a good time and no major problems around here. A few months ago I was browsing around some old email and found my very first email from the original cavetex.net mailing list, our previous home of this wonderful mailing list. It got me to thinking and I went to see if the domain was available, and low and behold, cavetex.net was unowned. I snatched up quickly, then put it in my notes of things to do. Well, I totally forgot about it, lost my notes, dog ate them, you know the story. Anyways, it struck me ton ight to go looking for that domain, and realized I already owned the rights to it :) Anyways, long story made short, http://cavetex.net is alive, it points to a quick and dirty webpage on http://texascavers.com that gives a description and why it's there. Nothing special, just thought I would let everyone know that our old home lives. Any old emails sent to that domain will get forwarded to the new one. This is just in case someone has a really old bookmark and tries to find the new list. Something that should have been done much sooner, but that's the life of a hobbyist in the wide world of the interweb :) Now, back to your regularly scheduled chitchat about caving, have a great year! Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com T o unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Administrative update
Thanks Russ, I didn't get a chance to see that writeup. Very poetic! Johnson, Russ wrote: Charles, I think this is very cool news. I thought you might enjoy the post below from the previous century, when, as I vaguely recall, flaming arguments and mass unsubscribing roughly coincided with the moving the cavetex email server. And when, apparently, I was in the mood to wax poetic. Take care, Russ K. Johnson 1207 Ford St. Llano, TX 78643 -Original Message- From: Johnson, Russ [mailto:johns...@mail.rfweston.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 2:39 PM To: cave...@mailing-list.net Subject: CaveTex: Eulogy Some will say that Cavetex is better off now. We needed only accept Cavetex and we would be served. It was out there for us. For each of us. -- Texas Caver Cavetex suffered a brutal bought with self destructivism several weeks ago. Self doubt and noisy confidence took up arms, heaping insult upon injury. Everyone could see. Everyone knew. By Cavetex' own nature, our friend did not hide the intensifying conflict. This must certainly have put the caretakers of our soon forgotten patron on alert. And to be sure they took steps to stop the hemorrhaging. But our precious friend never did recover, choosing instead to die nobly. It is as painful as it is plain, to those who knew and loved Cavetex, that too much was lost. In the silent vacuum of the calm after the storm, our companion had no choice but to withdraw...there was nothing left to show, nothing more to share. Who in our community can say that they do not notice; the once fertile fields of discussion now lay barren. The cure worse than the disease...Cavetex knew this. And rather than be subject to such treatment from those it lived to serve, Cavetex has chosen not to live. And it will be our loss. We will all miss Cavetex and reminisce about the long gone days when we all were part of the Golden Age of Cavetex. We will delude ourselves into believing that it was not our fault. We will inevitably forget our shame. Cavetex would not want us to mourn. Not having such a collection of eccentrics to deal with will be a peaceful and welcome change I'm sure. I'll bet Cavetex sensed the fast approaching rapture, and faithfully laid down everything, I say to you, acquiesced to the pulling of the plug, for our sake...but who am I to eulogize... And be forewarned...my fellow cavers and friends, I submit that any reinvention or supposed reincarnation of the old is not the same. Cavetex is dead. A new server should be called by another name. Perhaps comfortless substitute is appropriate, or maybe Empty Holetex. But I condemn any attempt to name an imposter Cavetex as tasteless at best, and at worst...sacrilegious. Russ Johnson UT Grotto Caver, amateur satirist, and future evangelical magnate NSS43751 -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:54 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Administrative update Just a small update from the list-owner around here. 2006 was a very good and successful year for Texascavers.com and our mailing list. Things are stable, everyone is having a good time and no major problems around here. A few months ago I was browsing around some old email and found my very first email from the original cavetex.net mailing list, our previous home of this wonderful mailing list. It got me to thinking and I went to see if the domain was available, and low and behold, cavetex.net was unowned. I snatched up quickly, then put it in my notes of things to do. Well, I totally forgot about it, lost my notes, dog ate them, you know the story. Anyways, it struck me tonight to go looking for that domain, and realized I already owned the rights to it :) Anyways, long story made short, http://cavetex.net is alive, it points to a quick and dirty webpage on http://texascavers.com that gives a description and why it's there. Nothing special, just thought I would let everyone know that our old home lives. Any old emails sent to that domain will get forwarded to the new one. This is just in case someone has a really old bookmark and tries to find the new list. Something that should have been done much sooner, but that's the life of a hobbyist in the wide world of the interweb :) Now, back to your regularly scheduled chitchat about caving, have a great year! Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Administrative update
Unfortunately cavetex is not a good place for example code. What I know is all self taught, and most of my computer training is all self taught as well. I didn't design http://texascavers.com, I aquired the website when I took over the mailing list and I've only done minor updates, never going back and cleaning up the code to make it fully compliant and correct, that takes time and hobbies get limited amounts of my time :) I'll be happy to answer questions though, if you see something, and want to know how I did it, or why, I'll do the best I can to answer. Good luck! Charles Rick Corbell wrote: Charles, Thanks for all your work on behalf of keeping us cavers connected. I have profound respect for you folks who have charged into the inner workings of the web. I have just started an online HTML course. This week's first lesson is really scary. I'll be interested in checking what I can learn from the source code on cavetex and maybe help Randy Baker with our Bexar Grotto site. Where did you learn html?? Rick Corbell From: /Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org/ To: /texascavers@texascavers.com/ Subject: /[Texascavers] Administrative update/ Date: /Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:53:41 -0600/ Just a small update from the list-owner around here. 2006 was a very good and successful year for Texascavers.com and our mailing list. Things are stable, everyone is having a good time and no major problems around here. A few months ago I was browsing around some old email and found my very first email from the original cavetex.net mailing list, our previous home of this wonderful mailing list. It got me to thinking and I went to see if the domain was available, and low and behold, cavetex.net was unowned. I snatched up quickly, then put it in my notes of things to do. Well, I totally forgot about it, lost my notes, dog ate them, you know the story. Anyways, it struck me tonight to go looking for that domain, and realized I already owned the rights to it :) Anyways, long story made short, http://cavetex.net is alive, it points to a quick and dirty webpage on http://texascavers.com that gives a description and why it's there. Nothing special, just thought I would let everyone know that our old home lives. Any old emails sent to that domain will get forwarded to the new one. This is just in case someone has a really old bookmark and tries to find the new list. Something that should have been done much sooner, but that's the life of a hobbyist in the wide world of the interweb :) Now, back to your regularly scheduled chitchat about caving, have a great year! Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Fixing up the home? Live Search can help http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2731??PS=47575
Re: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2
Better you than me! HAHAHAH! Just kidding Bill - Original Message - From: Charles wokka Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:06 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2 Just a quick note to say that all seems to be running smoothly. However, I've had a couple people contact me with problems pertaining to delivery of the mail, so if you are seeing anything out of the ordinary, please let me know. If anyone needs to contact me, please email me at this address: wo...@justfamily.org and if you don't get a response within 24 hours, use wok...@gmail.com I have the 2nd address in case the mail server isn't routing you properly for any reason and its separate (justfamily.org is operated from the same server as texascavers.com). Your discussions will resume at the regular scheduled time :) Questions, comments or complaints are always welcome Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2
Heh, so far two people have mentioned double postings... either they have two addresses subscribed or something funky in their filter/rule setup. I know that you worked with one of them, Paul Unger, and according to the email headers, his mail server is duplicating them or the client. Both of his emails had the same SMTP id on them, which tells me that it's probably his client ruleset. Not sure about the other, Dave Belski. Any history you can give about either would be appreciated. Charles Bill Bentley wrote: Better you than me! HAHAHAH! Just kidding Bill - Original Message - From: Charles wokka Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:06 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2 Just a quick note to say that all seems to be running smoothly. However, I've had a couple people contact me with problems pertaining to delivery of the mail, so if you are seeing anything out of the ordinary, please let me know. If anyone needs to contact me, please email me at this address: wo...@justfamily.org and if you don't get a response within 24 hours, use wok...@gmail.com I have the 2nd address in case the mail server isn't routing you properly for any reason and its separate (justfamily.org is operated from the same server as texascavers.com). Your discussions will resume at the regular scheduled time :) Questions, comments or complaints are always welcome Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2
Your right But Dave Belski is subscribed from 2 different addresses... Bill - Original Message - From: Charles wokka Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: Bill Bentley cave...@cox.net Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2 Heh, so far two people have mentioned double postings... either they have two addresses subscribed or something funky in their filter/rule setup. I know that you worked with one of them, Paul Unger, and according to the email headers, his mail server is duplicating them or the client. Both of his emails had the same SMTP id on them, which tells me that it's probably his client ruleset. Not sure about the other, Dave Belski. Any history you can give about either would be appreciated. Charles Bill Bentley wrote: Better you than me! HAHAHAH! Just kidding Bill - Original Message - From: Charles wokka Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:06 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2 Just a quick note to say that all seems to be running smoothly. However, I've had a couple people contact me with problems pertaining to delivery of the mail, so if you are seeing anything out of the ordinary, please let me know. If anyone needs to contact me, please email me at this address: wo...@justfamily.org and if you don't get a response within 24 hours, use wok...@gmail.com I have the 2nd address in case the mail server isn't routing you properly for any reason and its separate (justfamily.org is operated from the same server as texascavers.com). Your discussions will resume at the regular scheduled time :) Questions, comments or complaints are always welcome Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2
Actually 3... just figured that out with Dave a bit ago. Easy fix :) Thanks! Bill Bentley wrote: Your right But Dave Belski is subscribed from 2 different addresses... Bill - Original Message - From: Charles wokka Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: Bill Bentley cave...@cox.net Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2 Heh, so far two people have mentioned double postings... either they have two addresses subscribed or something funky in their filter/rule setup. I know that you worked with one of them, Paul Unger, and according to the email headers, his mail server is duplicating them or the client. Both of his emails had the same SMTP id on them, which tells me that it's probably his client ruleset. Not sure about the other, Dave Belski. Any history you can give about either would be appreciated. Charles Bill Bentley wrote: Better you than me! HAHAHAH! Just kidding Bill - Original Message - From: Charles wokka Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:06 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2 Just a quick note to say that all seems to be running smoothly. However, I've had a couple people contact me with problems pertaining to delivery of the mail, so if you are seeing anything out of the ordinary, please let me know. If anyone needs to contact me, please email me at this address: wo...@justfamily.org and if you don't get a response within 24 hours, use wok...@gmail.com I have the 2nd address in case the mail server isn't routing you properly for any reason and its separate (justfamily.org is operated from the same server as texascavers.com). Your discussions will resume at the regular scheduled time :) Questions, comments or complaints are always welcome Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2
Charles -- Right now, texascavers messages come with the reply to field set to texascavers, which is why we're seeing things that ought to have been sent to the originator of a message, but instead went to everybody. Figure out how to make the reply to field echo the source of the message. Right now the from field shows the original source, but the reply to field does not. I'm getting two copies of many, but not all, of the messages. Mysterious. -- Bill Mixon --- You may Reply to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org
Re: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2
You are the second person to bring this to my attention. I've seen a couple of the duplicates as well, and I have no idea what's causing that, I can't find a source to it, but will continue to dig. I'll bring up the reply to with everyone in the group. Thanks Bill Mixon wrote: Charles -- Right now, texascavers messages come with the reply to field set to texascavers, which is why we're seeing things that ought to have been sent to the originator of a message, but instead went to everybody. Figure out how to make the reply to field echo the source of the message. Right now the from field shows the original source, but the reply to field does not. I'm getting two copies of many, but not all, of the messages. Mysterious. -- Bill Mixon --- You may Reply to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org
