RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
You know Carlsbad Caverns used to pipe cave air up to the visitor center through the elevator shafts. Then finally they realized what damage they were doing to the cave--drying out formations, causing yucky things to grow in the cave, etc. They finally sealed up the shafts and the cave gradually went back to fairly normal. It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature. Louise > Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 16:34:11 -0400 > From: wdwal...@windstream.net > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > > I used a cable ladder this afternoon to install a new light inside the > pit under the basement of the Wayne County, KY Museum. The pit was once > connected to the cave system beneath the city from which the then hotel > drew cave air into the building. That didn't last very long. In 1938 > the hotel installed real air conditioning. Today that hotel building is > the Wayne County Museum. > > I have a cave exhibit in that basement room with photos of Wayne County > cave and an exhibit of caving equipment used in Wayne county from the > 1950s through the present. The pit, which has a rail around it, is > always the biggest hit. > > Best to all, > Bill Walden > Wayne County, KY > > > On 5/1/2012 12:44 PM, Mark Minton wrote: > > I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short > > drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite > > remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a > > belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a > > ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive > > ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? > > > > Mark > > > > At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: > >> Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! > >> > >> You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. > >> > >> Cheers, Stefan > >> > >> From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM > >> To: Lyndon Tiu > >> Cc: Cavers Texas > >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > >> > >> They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and > >> unusually punishing ascending device. > >> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > >> Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> -- > >> Lyndon Tiu > > > > Please reply to mmin...@caver.net > > Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org > > > > - > > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > > > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
You know Carlsbad Caverns used to pipe cave air up to the visitor center through the elevator shafts. Then finally they realized what damage they were doing to the cave--drying out formations, causing yucky things to grow in the cave, etc. They finally sealed up the shafts and the cave gradually went back to fairly normal. It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature. Louise > Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 16:34:11 -0400 > From: wdwal...@windstream.net > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > > I used a cable ladder this afternoon to install a new light inside the > pit under the basement of the Wayne County, KY Museum. The pit was once > connected to the cave system beneath the city from which the then hotel > drew cave air into the building. That didn't last very long. In 1938 > the hotel installed real air conditioning. Today that hotel building is > the Wayne County Museum. > > I have a cave exhibit in that basement room with photos of Wayne County > cave and an exhibit of caving equipment used in Wayne county from the > 1950s through the present. The pit, which has a rail around it, is > always the biggest hit. > > Best to all, > Bill Walden > Wayne County, KY > > > On 5/1/2012 12:44 PM, Mark Minton wrote: > > I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short > > drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite > > remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a > > belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a > > ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive > > ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? > > > > Mark > > > > At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: > >> Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! > >> > >> You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. > >> > >> Cheers, Stefan > >> > >> From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM > >> To: Lyndon Tiu > >> Cc: Cavers Texas > >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > >> > >> They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and > >> unusually punishing ascending device. > >> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > >> Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> -- > >> Lyndon Tiu > > > > Please reply to mmin...@caver.net > > Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org > > > > - > > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > > > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
You know Carlsbad Caverns used to pipe cave air up to the visitor center through the elevator shafts. Then finally they realized what damage they were doing to the cave--drying out formations, causing yucky things to grow in the cave, etc. They finally sealed up the shafts and the cave gradually went back to fairly normal. It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature. Louise > Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 16:34:11 -0400 > From: wdwal...@windstream.net > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > > I used a cable ladder this afternoon to install a new light inside the > pit under the basement of the Wayne County, KY Museum. The pit was once > connected to the cave system beneath the city from which the then hotel > drew cave air into the building. That didn't last very long. In 1938 > the hotel installed real air conditioning. Today that hotel building is > the Wayne County Museum. > > I have a cave exhibit in that basement room with photos of Wayne County > cave and an exhibit of caving equipment used in Wayne county from the > 1950s through the present. The pit, which has a rail around it, is > always the biggest hit. > > Best to all, > Bill Walden > Wayne County, KY > > > On 5/1/2012 12:44 PM, Mark Minton wrote: > > I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short > > drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite > > remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a > > belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a > > ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive > > ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? > > > > Mark > > > > At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: > >> Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! > >> > >> You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. > >> > >> Cheers, Stefan > >> > >> From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM > >> To: Lyndon Tiu > >> Cc: Cavers Texas > >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > >> > >> They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and > >> unusually punishing ascending device. > >> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > >> Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> -- > >> Lyndon Tiu > > > > Please reply to mmin...@caver.net > > Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org > > > > - > > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > > > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I used a cable ladder this afternoon to install a new light inside the pit under the basement of the Wayne County, KY Museum. The pit was once connected to the cave system beneath the city from which the then hotel drew cave air into the building. That didn't last very long. In 1938 the hotel installed real air conditioning. Today that hotel building is the Wayne County Museum. I have a cave exhibit in that basement room with photos of Wayne County cave and an exhibit of caving equipment used in Wayne county from the 1950s through the present. The pit, which has a rail around it, is always the biggest hit. Best to all, Bill Walden Wayne County, KY On 5/1/2012 12:44 PM, Mark Minton wrote: I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I used a cable ladder this afternoon to install a new light inside the pit under the basement of the Wayne County, KY Museum. The pit was once connected to the cave system beneath the city from which the then hotel drew cave air into the building. That didn't last very long. In 1938 the hotel installed real air conditioning. Today that hotel building is the Wayne County Museum. I have a cave exhibit in that basement room with photos of Wayne County cave and an exhibit of caving equipment used in Wayne county from the 1950s through the present. The pit, which has a rail around it, is always the biggest hit. Best to all, Bill Walden Wayne County, KY On 5/1/2012 12:44 PM, Mark Minton wrote: I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I used a cable ladder this afternoon to install a new light inside the pit under the basement of the Wayne County, KY Museum. The pit was once connected to the cave system beneath the city from which the then hotel drew cave air into the building. That didn't last very long. In 1938 the hotel installed real air conditioning. Today that hotel building is the Wayne County Museum. I have a cave exhibit in that basement room with photos of Wayne County cave and an exhibit of caving equipment used in Wayne county from the 1950s through the present. The pit, which has a rail around it, is always the biggest hit. Best to all, Bill Walden Wayne County, KY On 5/1/2012 12:44 PM, Mark Minton wrote: I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
So why do we race up them at the Speleolympics? Or has that event been dropped already? Ha ha ha. I would rather free solo the pitch than use a cable ladder. Blarrrgh. -Tim On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: > Old farts like ladders and I are one. I don't need no stinking belay rope, > my life insurance is paid up. > > F > > -Original Message- > From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:03 PM > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > > I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand > holds :-) > > Cheers, Stefan > > -Original Message- > From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > > I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short > drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite > remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a > belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a > ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive > ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? > > Mark > > At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: > >Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! > > > >You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. > > > >Cheers, Stefan > > > >From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM > >To: Lyndon Tiu > >Cc: Cavers Texas > >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > > > >They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel > >and unusually punishing ascending device. > >On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > >Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? > > > >Thanks. > > > >-- > >Lyndon Tiu > > Please reply to mmin...@caver.net > Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > > -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are > confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the > contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the > information in any medium. Thank you. > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > >
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
So why do we race up them at the Speleolympics? Or has that event been dropped already? Ha ha ha. I would rather free solo the pitch than use a cable ladder. Blarrrgh. -Tim On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: > Old farts like ladders and I are one. I don't need no stinking belay rope, > my life insurance is paid up. > > F > > -Original Message- > From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:03 PM > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > > I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand > holds :-) > > Cheers, Stefan > > -Original Message- > From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > > I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short > drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite > remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a > belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a > ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive > ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? > > Mark > > At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: > >Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! > > > >You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. > > > >Cheers, Stefan > > > >From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM > >To: Lyndon Tiu > >Cc: Cavers Texas > >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > > > >They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel > >and unusually punishing ascending device. > >On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > >Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? > > > >Thanks. > > > >-- > >Lyndon Tiu > > Please reply to mmin...@caver.net > Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > > -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are > confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the > contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the > information in any medium. Thank you. > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > >
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
So why do we race up them at the Speleolympics? Or has that event been dropped already? Ha ha ha. I would rather free solo the pitch than use a cable ladder. Blarrrgh. -Tim On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: > Old farts like ladders and I are one. I don't need no stinking belay rope, > my life insurance is paid up. > > F > > -Original Message- > From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:03 PM > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > > I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand > holds :-) > > Cheers, Stefan > > -Original Message- > From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > > I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short > drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite > remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a > belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a > ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive > ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? > > Mark > > At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: > >Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! > > > >You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. > > > >Cheers, Stefan > > > >From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM > >To: Lyndon Tiu > >Cc: Cavers Texas > >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > > > >They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel > >and unusually punishing ascending device. > >On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > >Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? > > > >Thanks. > > > >-- > >Lyndon Tiu > > Please reply to mmin...@caver.net > Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > > -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are > confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the > contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the > information in any medium. Thank you. > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > >
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Old farts like ladders and I are one. I don't need no stinking belay rope, my life insurance is paid up. F -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:03 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: >Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! > >You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. > >Cheers, Stefan > >From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM >To: Lyndon Tiu >Cc: Cavers Texas >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > >They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel >and unusually punishing ascending device. >On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: >Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? > >Thanks. > >-- >Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Old farts like ladders and I are one. I don't need no stinking belay rope, my life insurance is paid up. F -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:03 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: >Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! > >You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. > >Cheers, Stefan > >From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM >To: Lyndon Tiu >Cc: Cavers Texas >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > >They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel >and unusually punishing ascending device. >On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: >Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? > >Thanks. > >-- >Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Old farts like ladders and I are one. I don't need no stinking belay rope, my life insurance is paid up. F -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:03 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: >Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! > >You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. > >Cheers, Stefan > >From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM >To: Lyndon Tiu >Cc: Cavers Texas >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > >They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel >and unusually punishing ascending device. >On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: >Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? > >Thanks. > >-- >Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: >Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! > >You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. > >Cheers, Stefan > >From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM >To: Lyndon Tiu >Cc: Cavers Texas >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > >They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel >and unusually punishing ascending device. >On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: >Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? > >Thanks. > >-- >Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: >Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! > >You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. > >Cheers, Stefan > >From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM >To: Lyndon Tiu >Cc: Cavers Texas >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > >They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel >and unusually punishing ascending device. >On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: >Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? > >Thanks. > >-- >Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: >Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! > >You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. > >Cheers, Stefan > >From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM >To: Lyndon Tiu >Cc: Cavers Texas >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? > >They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel >and unusually punishing ascending device. >On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: >Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? > >Thanks. > >-- >Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Well put, caving brother! Well, put! -Original Message- From: Ron R To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Well put, caving brother! Well, put! -Original Message- From: Ron R To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Well put, caving brother! Well, put! -Original Message- From: Ron R To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca>> wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com> -- Ron Rutherford -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca>> wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com> -- Ron Rutherford -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca>> wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com> -- Ron Rutherford -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
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Lyndon, Karstsports.com has them! Natasha From: Lyndon Tiu To: Cavers Texas Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Two or four strand barbed wire? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -Original message- From: Ron R To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26:42 CDT Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Two or four strand barbed wire? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -Original message- From: Ron R To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26:42 CDT Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Two or four strand barbed wire? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -Original message- From: Ron R To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26:42 CDT Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? > > Thanks. > > -- > Lyndon Tiu > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? > > Thanks. > > -- > Lyndon Tiu > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? > > Thanks. > > -- > Lyndon Tiu > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > -- Ron Rutherford
