Re: [Texascavers] NSS members in Austin
Mixon-- Philosophically speaking: Did you check to see how many of those 488 Texas NSS members were among the fewer than 200 TSA members? Did you wonder why or why not? How many do you think would subscribe to a free digital TEXAS CAVER? And then be willing to join TSA afterwards? Maybe a hundred, huh? Might be worth trying even if they just got 50, huh? Would that be good for The CAVER? Would that be good for the TSA? Would that be good for Texas caving? Would that be good for me or you? --Ediger On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: The annual NSS membership list has just been distributed (about five months late). There are interesting statistics about NSS membership on pages 65-67, worth calling to your attention, because I suspect most members never look at the miscellaneous stuff in the front of the book. Among other things, 787xx (Austin) is in the top ten three-digit ZIPs in NSS membership, with 92 NSS members. Top in the list is 300xx, with 220. That would be Atlanta and vicinity. (300 seems to cover a lot of suburbs of Atlanta, whereas all the 787 addresses are actually Austin.) Eight-five NSS members have listed the UT Grotto as their primary affiliation.. This is for purposes of allocating votes in the Congress of Grottos at NSS conventions, although so far as I know the UTG has never participated in living memory. There are twelve NSS groups with more NSS members than UTG (the Cave Diving Section has 1,022!), but many of them require NSS membership of their members. The lowest NSS number of a Texas NSS member is 509. Texas is among the top ten states, with 488 NSS members. This year's membership list is sorted by states, which makes it relatively easy for a group to see who in its area might need to be contacted with information about the club. One thing I was struck by when looking through Texas is the number of names with 787xx that I don't recognize. Of course, that doesn't mean I wouldn't recognize the faces; there is unfortunately little opportunity to learn peoples' names at meetings of fifty or events of four hundred. I'm bad about remembering names, too. Name tags seem Mickey Mouse, but --Mixon May the last lawyer be strangled with the entrails of the last priest. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] NSS members in Austin
Maybe someone on the TSA's Membership committee should write to the non members in the NSS and invite them to join or let us know why they are not interested. Is that not what the TSA has a memberships committee for? Terry H. Gill Edigar wrote: Mixon-- Philosophically speaking: Did you check to see how many of those 488 Texas NSS members were among the fewer than 200 TSA members? Did you wonder why or why not? How many do you think would subscribe to a free digital TEXAS CAVER? And then be willing to join TSA afterwards? Maybe a hundred, huh? Might be worth trying even if they just got 50, huh? Would that be good for The CAVER? Would that be good for the TSA? Would that be good for Texas caving? Would that be good for me or you? --Ediger On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: The annual NSS membership list has just been distributed (about five months late). There are interesting statistics about NSS membership on pages 65-67, worth calling to your attention, because I suspect most members never look at the miscellaneous stuff in the front of the book. Among other things, 787xx (Austin) is in the top ten three-digit ZIPs in NSS membership, with 92 NSS members. Top in the list is 300xx, with 220. That would be Atlanta and vicinity. (300 seems to cover a lot of suburbs of Atlanta, whereas all the 787 addresses are actually Austin.) Eight-five NSS members have listed the UT Grotto as their primary affiliation.. This is for purposes of allocating votes in the Congress of Grottos at NSS conventions, although so far as I know the UTG has never participated in living memory. There are twelve NSS groups with more NSS members than UTG (the Cave Diving Section has 1,022!), but many of them require NSS membership of their members. The lowest NSS number of a Texas NSS member is 509. Texas is among the top ten states, with 488 NSS members. This year's membership list is sorted by states, which makes it relatively easy for a group to see who in its area might need to be contacted with information about the club. One thing I was struck by when looking through Texas is the number of names with 787xx that I don't recognize. Of course, that doesn't mean I wouldn't recognize the faces; there is unfortunately little opportunity to learn peoples' names at meetings of fifty or events of four hundred. I'm bad about remembering names, too. Name tags seem Mickey Mouse, but --Mixon May the last lawyer be strangled with the entrails of the last priest. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu mailto:bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org mailto:edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org mailto:sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] NSS members in Austin
The TSA Chair second, third, and forthed Charles Goldsmiths motion to to table this discussion and refer it to the Free Texas Caver committee to be discussed at the January 10th TSA meeting where registered members present can vote for a majority. It will not be decided on till then. You can continue and continue and continue to make unfounded, pious rants and raves and bitch and cry but NO decision will be made until the January 10th TSA winter meeting. At the meeting we will discuss two-tier memberships, free membership options, and scholarships but again, NO decision will be made until the January 10th TSA winter meeting. None. Nada. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Terry Holsinger tr...@sprynet.com wrote: Maybe someone on the TSA's Membership committee should write to the non members in the NSS and invite them to join or let us know why they are not interested. Is that not what the TSA has a memberships committee for? Terry H. Gill Edigar wrote: Mixon-- Philosophically speaking: Did you check to see how many of those 488 Texas NSS members were among the fewer than 200 TSA members? Did you wonder why or why not? How many do you think would subscribe to a free digital TEXAS CAVER? And then be willing to join TSA afterwards? Maybe a hundred, huh? Might be worth trying even if they just got 50, huh? Would that be good for The CAVER? Would that be good for the TSA? Would that be good for Texas caving? Would that be good for me or you? --Ediger On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.commailto: bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: The annual NSS membership list has just been distributed (about five months late). There are interesting statistics about NSS membership on pages 65-67, worth calling to your attention, because I suspect most members never look at the miscellaneous stuff in the front of the book. Among other things, 787xx (Austin) is in the top ten three-digit ZIPs in NSS membership, with 92 NSS members. Top in the list is 300xx, with 220. That would be Atlanta and vicinity. (300 seems to cover a lot of suburbs of Atlanta, whereas all the 787 addresses are actually Austin.) Eight-five NSS members have listed the UT Grotto as their primary affiliation.. This is for purposes of allocating votes in the Congress of Grottos at NSS conventions, although so far as I know the UTG has never participated in living memory. There are twelve NSS groups with more NSS members than UTG (the Cave Diving Section has 1,022!), but many of them require NSS membership of their members. The lowest NSS number of a Texas NSS member is 509. Texas is among the top ten states, with 488 NSS members. This year's membership list is sorted by states, which makes it relatively easy for a group to see who in its area might need to be contacted with information about the club. One thing I was struck by when looking through Texas is the number of names with 787xx that I don't recognize. Of course, that doesn't mean I wouldn't recognize the faces; there is unfortunately little opportunity to learn peoples' names at meetings of fifty or events of four hundred. I'm bad about remembering names, too. Name tags seem Mickey Mouse, but --Mixon May the last lawyer be strangled with the entrails of the last priest. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu mailto: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org mailto:edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org mailto:sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] NSS members in Austin
Or, maybe the TSA could do something really unique and progressive like sending free digital issues of The TEXAS CAVER to those NSS members not already subscribed--no membership committee, no procrastination, no hassles. See how many of them pick up the ball and join the TSA. Then those people would know something about the TSA, would be getting a free and valuable service from the TSA (perhaps for the first time in their caving careers), and just might figure that what they are getting could be worth joining the TSA for. Everybody wins. FREE. Nobody looses anything. Also FREE. --Ediger On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Terry Holsinger tr...@sprynet.com wrote: Maybe someone on the TSA's Membership committee should write to the non members in the NSS and invite them to join or let us know why they are not interested. Is that not what the TSA has a memberships committee for? Terry H. Gill Edigar wrote: Mixon-- Philosophically speaking: Did you check to see how many of those 488 Texas NSS members were among the fewer than 200 TSA members? Did you wonder why or why not? How many do you think would subscribe to a free digital TEXAS CAVER? And then be willing to join TSA afterwards? Maybe a hundred, huh? Might be worth trying even if they just got 50, huh? Would that be good for The CAVER? Would that be good for the TSA? Would that be good for Texas caving? Would that be good for me or you? --Ediger On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.commailto: bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: The annual NSS membership list has just been distributed (about five months late). There are interesting statistics about NSS membership on pages 65-67, worth calling to your attention, because I suspect most members never look at the miscellaneous stuff in the front of the book. Among other things, 787xx (Austin) is in the top ten three-digit ZIPs in NSS membership, with 92 NSS members. Top in the list is 300xx, with 220. That would be Atlanta and vicinity. (300 seems to cover a lot of suburbs of Atlanta, whereas all the 787 addresses are actually Austin.) Eight-five NSS members have listed the UT Grotto as their primary affiliation.. This is for purposes of allocating votes in the Congress of Grottos at NSS conventions, although so far as I know the UTG has never participated in living memory. There are twelve NSS groups with more NSS members than UTG (the Cave Diving Section has 1,022!), but many of them require NSS membership of their members. The lowest NSS number of a Texas NSS member is 509. Texas is among the top ten states, with 488 NSS members. This year's membership list is sorted by states, which makes it relatively easy for a group to see who in its area might need to be contacted with information about the club. One thing I was struck by when looking through Texas is the number of names with 787xx that I don't recognize. Of course, that doesn't mean I wouldn't recognize the faces; there is unfortunately little opportunity to learn peoples' names at meetings of fifty or events of four hundred. I'm bad about remembering names, too. Name tags seem Mickey Mouse, but --Mixon May the last lawyer be strangled with the entrails of the last priest. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu mailto: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org mailto:edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org mailto:sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] NSS members in Austin
I get the feeling that Ellie doesn't want to discuss this anymore. I think it should be discussed at the Winter meeting. If you aren't a current member, come to the meeting, sign up and voice your opinion :) Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM, ellie :) ellie.tho...@gmail.com wrote: The TSA Chair second, third, and forthed Charles Goldsmiths motion to to table this discussion and refer it to the Free Texas Caver committee to be discussed at the January 10th TSA meeting where registered members present can vote for a majority. It will not be decided on till then. You can continue and continue and continue to make unfounded, pious rants and raves and bitch and cry but NO decision will be made until the January 10th TSA winter meeting. At the meeting we will discuss two-tier memberships, free membership options, and scholarships but again, NO decision will be made until the January 10th TSA winter meeting. None. Nada. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Terry Holsinger tr...@sprynet.com wrote: Maybe someone on the TSA's Membership committee should write to the non members in the NSS and invite them to join or let us know why they are not interested. Is that not what the TSA has a memberships committee for? Terry H. Gill Edigar wrote: Mixon-- Philosophically speaking: Did you check to see how many of those 488 Texas NSS members were among the fewer than 200 TSA members? Did you wonder why or why not? How many do you think would subscribe to a free digital TEXAS CAVER? And then be willing to join TSA afterwards? Maybe a hundred, huh? Might be worth trying even if they just got 50, huh? Would that be good for The CAVER? Would that be good for the TSA? Would that be good for Texas caving? Would that be good for me or you? --Ediger On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: The annual NSS membership list has just been distributed (about five months late). There are interesting statistics about NSS membership on pages 65-67, worth calling to your attention, because I suspect most members never look at the miscellaneous stuff in the front of the book. Among other things, 787xx (Austin) is in the top ten three-digit ZIPs in NSS membership, with 92 NSS members. Top in the list is 300xx, with 220. That would be Atlanta and vicinity. (300 seems to cover a lot of suburbs of Atlanta, whereas all the 787 addresses are actually Austin.) Eight-five NSS members have listed the UT Grotto as their primary affiliation.. This is for purposes of allocating votes in the Congress of Grottos at NSS conventions, although so far as I know the UTG has never participated in living memory. There are twelve NSS groups with more NSS members than UTG (the Cave Diving Section has 1,022!), but many of them require NSS membership of their members. The lowest NSS number of a Texas NSS member is 509. Texas is among the top ten states, with 488 NSS members. This year's membership list is sorted by states, which makes it relatively easy for a group to see who in its area might need to be contacted with information about the club. One thing I was struck by when looking through Texas is the number of names with 787xx that I don't recognize. Of course, that doesn't mean I wouldn't recognize the faces; there is unfortunately little opportunity to learn peoples' names at meetings of fifty or events of four hundred. I'm bad about remembering names, too. Name tags seem Mickey Mouse, but --Mixon May the last lawyer be strangled with the entrails of the last priest. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu mailto:bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org mailto:edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org mailto:sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
