texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 19:36:15 -0000 Issue 1550
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 19:36:15 - Issue 1550 Topics (messages 19994 through 1): Re: Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion 19994 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com 19996 by: Mark Minton 1 by: freddie poer Re: texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:57:52 - Issue 1548 19995 by: Benjamin Schwartz 19997 by: Aubri Jenson Re: TX caver discussion-- the future 19998 by: Katherine Arens Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Great to hear, Allan, and kudos to Jill. Glad to see that there are a few grotto newsletters still in existence. Now, if y'all would be so kind to copy me when a new one comes out... Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:54 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; Mimi Jasek; texascavers@texascavers.com; Ray Hertel; GHG Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion The Bexar Grotto has a pretty regular newsletter, too. Kudos to Jill Orr for making that happen. Allan Sent with my fat thumbs on my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters anymore! UTG hasn't done one in years, the DFW's (Oztotl Caver) crashed and burned and they have resorted to a blog on their website which no one posts to, the Maverick Grotto is kaput, the Lubbock Grotto doesn't do one, Bill Bentley did a great job with the PBSS's Hole News, but is it finis, and the Houston Grotto used to have a newsletter when Kevin and Emily McGowan were doing it, but, it also is no more. Ahem, correction. The Greater Houston Grotto (GHG) published it's latest newsletter Dec. 13, 2011. We are still alive! Our editor Ray Hertel is working on the next issue. Kudos to him and to all of our writers. Disclaimer: The following public service announcement is brought to you via a shameless plug by the grotto treasurer to beef up the grotto checking account. We only share the GHG newsletter with grotto members. So send me $10 for your GHG membership ($15 for family) if you want a copy ;) -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Thanks, George, for confirming my similar suspicions. I've never thought of the Texas Caver or even the NSS News as particularly science oriented. (The NSS has the Journal of Cave and Karst Studies for that.) Perhaps instead of science the perception is that publications are too heavily biased toward expedition and project caving. I certainly find those articles most interesting because that's the kind of caving I've been doing for over 40 years, but I generally read every article in the Texas Caver, even if it is about a newbie trip to Airman's. I also enjoy keeping up with activities like TSA Conventions and TCR, which I am too far away too attend. So, I join the chorus of those encouraging everyone to write about their trips, even if they are sport trips with no new exploration or science. I also agree with Ben Schwartz about almost all caving being fun, whether it's science, mapping, digging, whatever. We wouldn't do it otherwise. Expedition and project reports also generally mention the great camaraderie and fun times had around the campfire, hiking to the caves, etc. I've even been on cave rescues (all successful, fortunately) that were fun. So write about your trips, even if nothing new is discovered. Tell us how much fun you had, and let us share in it. Keep the faith, Mark, and keep up the great work as editor! Mark At 11:06 AM 5/17/2012, George Veni wrote: Reading this e-mail exchange and the perceived focus on too many science articles in the TC made me think that I didn't recall any recent science articles. So I took a quick at the table of contents for the last nine issues through the start of 2010 and found a total of 60 articles listed. I found an abundance of reports on surveys, projects, and generally lots of fun (non-project/non-survey/non-sciency) caving Texas cavers are doing in Texas, with a small number of reports on caving in Mexico. I found reports on TCRs, TSA conventions, equipment reports, and news I expect most cavers would be interested in. I
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 19:36:15 -0000 Issue 1550
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 19:36:15 - Issue 1550 Topics (messages 19994 through 1): Re: Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion 19994 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com 19996 by: Mark Minton 1 by: freddie poer Re: texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:57:52 - Issue 1548 19995 by: Benjamin Schwartz 19997 by: Aubri Jenson Re: TX caver discussion-- the future 19998 by: Katherine Arens Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Great to hear, Allan, and kudos to Jill. Glad to see that there are a few grotto newsletters still in existence. Now, if y'all would be so kind to copy me when a new one comes out... Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:54 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; Mimi Jasek; texascavers@texascavers.com; Ray Hertel; GHG Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion The Bexar Grotto has a pretty regular newsletter, too. Kudos to Jill Orr for making that happen. Allan Sent with my fat thumbs on my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters anymore! UTG hasn't done one in years, the DFW's (Oztotl Caver) crashed and burned and they have resorted to a blog on their website which no one posts to, the Maverick Grotto is kaput, the Lubbock Grotto doesn't do one, Bill Bentley did a great job with the PBSS's Hole News, but is it finis, and the Houston Grotto used to have a newsletter when Kevin and Emily McGowan were doing it, but, it also is no more. Ahem, correction. The Greater Houston Grotto (GHG) published it's latest newsletter Dec. 13, 2011. We are still alive! Our editor Ray Hertel is working on the next issue. Kudos to him and to all of our writers. Disclaimer: The following public service announcement is brought to you via a shameless plug by the grotto treasurer to beef up the grotto checking account. We only share the GHG newsletter with grotto members. So send me $10 for your GHG membership ($15 for family) if you want a copy ;) -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Thanks, George, for confirming my similar suspicions. I've never thought of the Texas Caver or even the NSS News as particularly science oriented. (The NSS has the Journal of Cave and Karst Studies for that.) Perhaps instead of science the perception is that publications are too heavily biased toward expedition and project caving. I certainly find those articles most interesting because that's the kind of caving I've been doing for over 40 years, but I generally read every article in the Texas Caver, even if it is about a newbie trip to Airman's. I also enjoy keeping up with activities like TSA Conventions and TCR, which I am too far away too attend. So, I join the chorus of those encouraging everyone to write about their trips, even if they are sport trips with no new exploration or science. I also agree with Ben Schwartz about almost all caving being fun, whether it's science, mapping, digging, whatever. We wouldn't do it otherwise. Expedition and project reports also generally mention the great camaraderie and fun times had around the campfire, hiking to the caves, etc. I've even been on cave rescues (all successful, fortunately) that were fun. So write about your trips, even if nothing new is discovered. Tell us how much fun you had, and let us share in it. Keep the faith, Mark, and keep up the great work as editor! Mark At 11:06 AM 5/17/2012, George Veni wrote: Reading this e-mail exchange and the perceived focus on too many science articles in the TC made me think that I didn't recall any recent science articles. So I took a quick at the table of contents for the last nine issues through the start of 2010 and found a total of 60 articles listed. I found an abundance of reports on surveys, projects, and generally lots of fun (non-project/non-survey/non-sciency) caving Texas cavers are doing in Texas, with a small number of reports on caving in Mexico. I found reports on TCRs, TSA conventions, equipment reports, and news I expect most cavers would be interested in. I
