[Therion] Best caving tablet
I have a asus vivo tab/not 8 tablet, which I just find too big for cave surveying, which I feel will be a problem with the one below. I think that you need to be able to hold it on one hand while caving, which for me makes a 6inch tablet probably the biggest, but I have not got round to buying one as yet. The vivo although it has a wacom tablet built in, I am not very impressed with the accuracy, even after going through the 100+ point calibration, gone back to my dell axim, Andrew On 15/09/15 20:50, Rob Countess wrote: > http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_slates_xplore_xslate_b10.html > > I'm thinking of this: XSlate B10. Has wacom digitizer. They also make > smaller android model. Any thoughts?
[Therion] Best caving tablet
FYI, you can use Andy from andyroid.net to emulate android on a PC if you want to try out topodroid. However, the emulator can't use Bluetooth. So you have to disable/deny Bluetooth and enter everything manually. Still a cheap way to try out the program. On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:43 AM -0700, "Martin Sluka" wrote: Me too. M. Odesláno z iPhonu 15. 9. 2015 v 10:52, Footleg : > I have used a Dell Axim x51v PDA for my underground drawing and data > collection since the original DistoX came out. Running PocketTopo on this > Windows Mobile OS. I find it works well, waterproofed using a beach case > (Aquapaq bags for total immersion waterproofing, or a cheap beach case for > phone/PDA). The winning features for me are the replaceable battery (allowing > larger batteries which can run the PDA all day) and low cost (2nd hand via > eBay). > > Footleg > >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM Rob Countess >> wrote: >> I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies: >> >> >> So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before. >> >> I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using >> Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On >> Station. >> >> I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used >> Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or >> android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I >> have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see >> the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on >> iPad? >> >> A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good >> waterproof cases? >> >> Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't >> seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it. >> >> If price was not a factor what set up would you use? >> >> Thanks >> ___ >> Therion mailing list >> Therion at speleo.sk >> http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20150915/e5142aab/attachment.html> -- next part -- ___ Therion mailing list Therion at speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
[Therion] Best caving tablet
http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_slates_xplore_xslate_b10.html I'm thinking of this: XSlate B10. Has wacom digitizer. They also make smaller android model. Any thoughts? On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 6:02 AM, Adam Sampson wrote: > FYI, you can use Andy from andyroid.net to emulate android on a PC if you > want to try out topodroid. However, the emulator can't use Bluetooth. So > you have to disable/deny Bluetooth and enter everything manually. Still a > cheap way to try out the program. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:43 AM -0700, "Martin Sluka" > wrote: > > Me too. > > M. > > Odesláno z iPhonu > > 15. 9. 2015 v 10:52, Footleg : > > I have used a Dell Axim x51v PDA for my underground drawing and data > collection since the original DistoX came out. Running PocketTopo on this > Windows Mobile OS. I find it works well, waterproofed using a beach case > (Aquapaq bags for total immersion waterproofing, or a cheap beach case for > phone/PDA). The winning features for me are the replaceable battery > (allowing larger batteries which can run the PDA all day) and low cost (2nd > hand via eBay). > > Footleg > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM Rob Countess > wrote: > > I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies: > > > So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before. > > I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am > using Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before > that On Station. > > I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used > Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or > android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again > I have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I > see the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that > run on iPad? > > A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there > good waterproof cases? > > Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I > can't seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it. > > If price was not a factor what set up would you use? > > Thanks > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > > > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20150915/4dfb533b/attachment.html>
[Therion] Best caving tablet
Me too. M. Odesláno z iPhonu 15. 9. 2015 v 10:52, Footleg : > I have used a Dell Axim x51v PDA for my underground drawing and data > collection since the original DistoX came out. Running PocketTopo on this > Windows Mobile OS. I find it works well, waterproofed using a beach case > (Aquapaq bags for total immersion waterproofing, or a cheap beach case for > phone/PDA). The winning features for me are the replaceable battery (allowing > larger batteries which can run the PDA all day) and low cost (2nd hand via > eBay). > > Footleg > >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM Rob Countess >> wrote: >> I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies: >> >> >> So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before. >> >> I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using >> Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On >> Station. >> >> I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used >> Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or >> android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I >> have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see >> the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on >> iPad? >> >> A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good >> waterproof cases? >> >> Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't >> seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it. >> >> If price was not a factor what set up would you use? >> >> Thanks >> ___ >> Therion mailing list >> Therion at speleo.sk >> http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20150915/eb420542/attachment.html>
[Therion] Best caving tablet
TopoDroid is able to calibrate DistoX. The calibration routine is identical with PocketTopo I think. If price is not a problem (and weight) there are Panasonic army grade tablets with Windows and digitizer screen. Odesláno z iPhonu 15. 9. 2015 v 9:40, Markus Boldt : > Hi, > I`am using an old Asus 696 PDA with Wmobil 6 and of course pockettopo. It > works very well. Once I have lost the original pencil in the cave and I > couldn`t find it anymore. It was not so easy, but the surveying on that day > was made with my fingernail J. A replacement for the original was found quick > and very cheap. BTW, I have now a second pencil in my small case and both > have got a tiny hole for a thread. > Other members have tried out some android apps. But as I have seen (2014) > there was no app which was able to kalibrate/justify the DistoX. But that is > not really a problem, I think. > Regards > Markus > Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im > Auftrag von Rob Countess (External) > Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. September 2015 01:36 > An: List for Therion users > Betreff: [Therion] Best caving tablet > > I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies: > > > So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before. > > I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using > Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On > Station. > > I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used > Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or > android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I > have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see > the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on > iPad? > > A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good > waterproof cases? > > Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't > seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it. > > If price was not a factor what set up would you use? > > Thanks > > This message is intended solely for the designated recipient(s). It may > contain confidential or proprietary information and may be subject to > attorney-client privilege or other confidentiality protections. If you are > not a designated recipient you may not review, copy or distribute this > message. If you receive this in error, please notify the sender by reply > e-mail and delete this message. Thank you. > > > > Diese Nachricht ist nur für vorgesehene Empfänger bestimmt. Die Nachricht > kann vertrauliche oder persönliche Informationen enthalten und kann > datenschutzrechtlichen Bestimmungen unterliegen. Wenn Sie kein vorgesehener > Empfänger dieser Nachricht sind, ist es Ihnen untersagt, die darin > enthaltenen Informationen einzusehen, zu vervielfältigen und zu > veröffentlichen. Sollten Sie diese Nachricht versehentlich erhalten, bitten > wir Sie, den Sender zu informieren, indem Sie auf diese Nachricht antworten > und die Nachricht dann löschen. Vielen Dank. > > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20150915/16fcec39/attachment.html>
[Therion] Best caving tablet
Thanks Adam! I will definitely try Andy and Topodroid. On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 6:02 AM, Adam Sampson wrote: > FYI, you can use Andy from andyroid.net to emulate android on a PC if you > want to try out topodroid. However, the emulator can't use Bluetooth. So > you have to disable/deny Bluetooth and enter everything manually. Still a > cheap way to try out the program. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:43 AM -0700, "Martin Sluka" > wrote: > > Me too. > > M. > > Odesláno z iPhonu > > 15. 9. 2015 v 10:52, Footleg : > > I have used a Dell Axim x51v PDA for my underground drawing and data > collection since the original DistoX came out. Running PocketTopo on this > Windows Mobile OS. I find it works well, waterproofed using a beach case > (Aquapaq bags for total immersion waterproofing, or a cheap beach case for > phone/PDA). The winning features for me are the replaceable battery > (allowing larger batteries which can run the PDA all day) and low cost (2nd > hand via eBay). > > Footleg > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM Rob Countess > wrote: > > I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies: > > > So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before. > > I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am > using Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before > that On Station. > > I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used > Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or > android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again > I have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I > see the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that > run on iPad? > > A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there > good waterproof cases? > > Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I > can't seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it. > > If price was not a factor what set up would you use? > > Thanks > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > > > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20150915/6ccd22a5/attachment.html>
[Therion] Best practice - orientation of original sketch?
+++ Bill Gee [2015-09-14 19:48 -0500]: > When you are drawing the sketch in the cave, is it normal to ALWAYS make north > the same direction on each sheet of paper? No - whatever fits on the paper best is generally best (although if surveying in one rarely knows how that will go unless you have a very joint-controlled cave). In practice I do almost always put North up (and 'up' up on elevations) as I don't know which way the cave is going to go for more than a couple of legs. > What is considered "best practice" in this regard? Always marking 'N' and 'up' on the sketches so it's obvious. > The man who is coordinating the project is also doing cartography using > Windows > tools (Walls, Xara, etc.) He sent me an email today asking if I will commit to > making all future sketches with north being the top of the page. He asks > because some of the computer work he does results in portions of the sketch > being upside-down and therefore more difficult to read. That is probably true with most drawing tools, including xtherion (which doesn't have a way of rotating the view to more easily read the writing, for example (SFAICS)). Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/
[Therion] Best caving tablet
I made a typo. Pockettopo is simpler in programming. You just draw exactly what you want. Topodroid automates the drawing of dashes and tick marks and makes your drawing in the cave neater. On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 7:30 PM -0700, "Adam Sampson" wrote: That's a big question. 1rst, let's talk topodroid versus pockettopo. Topodroid draws the tick marks for you, but has a slight learning curve. It doesn't integrate perfectly into therion but I can help with some of the issues it has. And Marco is really responsive in fixing problems. Topodroid is simpler, but you draw on it just like on a pad of paper. I haven't found an iPad solution. 2nd let's talk tablets. My biggest consideration was what type of stylus. Capacitive stylus are ok, but the lines don't match up perfectly. The nvidia shield or similar tablet (which I am trying to review in the next couple months) can use a #2 pencil. Then there are tablets like the surface of the galaxy note that use a Wacom stylus and are very accurate. I suggest you might try them out at your local electronics store to see which stylus you like. As for waterproof...depends how wet your caves are. I use a waterproof case I got off amazon for $15...but I don't ever submerge it. I just need to protect from the occasional drip. Adam _ From: Rob Countess <rob.count...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 7:42 PM Subject: [Therion] Best caving tablet To: List for Therion users I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies: So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before. I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On Station. I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see the new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on iPad? A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good waterproof cases? Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it. If price was not a factor what set up would you use? Thanks -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20150915/7d13ad2b/attachment.html> -- next part -- ___ Therion mailing list Therion at speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion -- next part -- ___ Therion mailing list Therion at speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
