[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares
Sorry, there was a two way conversation about the same think and it is possible I made a mistake. My last mail was: Pavel is right, I apologize myself. The problem is in ParaView, it is not able to work with coordinates correctly. We have to find a solution, so study, study, study! m. > 22. 10. 2015 v 19:14, Wookey : > > +++ Martin Sluka [2015-10-22 13:18 +] wrote: > > [a completely blank email] > > Please fix your mail client to actually send some text Martin. The text > part of this (which is what I get to read) was empty. > > Wookey > -- > Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM > http://wookware.org/ > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares
+++ Martin Sluka [2015-10-22 13:18 +] wrote: [a completely blank email] Please fix your mail client to actually send some text Martin. The text part of this (which is what I get to read) was empty. Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/ -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/0a67561d/attachment.sig>
[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares
Pavel is right, I apologize myself. The problem is in ParaView, it is not able to work with coordinates correctly. We have to find a solution, so study, study, study! m. > 22. 10. 2015 v 15:09, Pavel Herich : > > Well, finally i get the (part of) conclusion, why it doesn´t work properly: > 1. there is no importance of line:wall orientation in th2 as Martin suggested > 2. but it is because i have used FIXED POSITIONED 3d model. It has the result > in destroyed 3d in Meshlab and prevents proper computation of volume and > surface. CS IJTSK and UTM33 as well i have tried with no succes (even there > can be seen small difference). Since there is need to compute all my data > which consist 65 km of cave passages and thousands fixed stations, I do not > see any solution on the horizont, but there should be something to solve > it..?. > Palo > > DÅa 2015-10-22 11:58 Martin Sluka napÃsal(a): >> The same cave but after new explorations: >> Loch: >> ParaView >> MeshLab >> Mesh Bounding Box Size 68.374199 153.150894 62.903999 >> Mesh Bounding Box Diag 179.128845 >> Mesh Volume is 43708.933594 >> Mesh Surface is 21756.070312 >> Thin shell barycenter -14.023410 -37.206078 -14.819854 >> Center of Mass is -15.087652 -42.666534 -16.276274 >> Inertia Tensor is : >> | 20330152.00 -3620606.75 -1168910.625000 | >> | -3620606.75 6608607.00 -4662930.00 | >> | -1168910.625000 -4662930.00 21506810.00 | >> Principal axes are : >> | 0.231695 0.934567 0.270003 | >> | 0.970067 -0.242716 0.007686 | >> | -0.072717 -0.260140 0.962829 | >> axis momenta are : >> | 4363844.50 21226780.00 22854932.00 | >
[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares
Martin, probably You haven´t understood the point - sent models are based on proper drawing (point 1.); there are no "strange objects" in there, unless "outline in" walls.. (Anyway I did try to rotate the walls in th2 as well with no change, - but of course I respect this topic) I noticed destroyed models in Meshlab (Paraview is maybe the source of troubles) just when fixed points were present in source. Palo DÅa 2015-10-22 15:18 Martin Sluka napÃsal(a): > 1. That is the main condition for good 3D model. Therion is based on > theory of oriented graphs and to ignore this fact is direct way to > hell. > > 2. The problem is not in MeshLab, the wire model was from ParaView and > anybody may see that there are several very strange objects inside the > model. > > There is very easy way to solve it - check and correct all 65 km of > your drawing. Not any joke. > > BTW, my model has fixed point too. > > m.s. > > On Oct 22, 2015, at 03:09 PM, Pavel Herich wrote: > >> Well, finally i get the (part of) conclusion, why it doesn´t work >> properly: >> 1. there is no importance of line:wall orientation in th2 as Martin >> suggested >> 2. but it is because i have used FIXED POSITIONED 3d model. It has >> the >> result in destroyed 3d in Meshlab and prevents proper computation of >> >> volume and surface. CS IJTSK and UTM33 as well i have tried with no >> succes (even there can be seen small difference). Since there is >> need to >> compute all my data which consist 65 km of cave passages and >> thousands >> fixed stations, I do not see any solution on the horizont, but there >> >> should be something to solve it..?. >> Palo >> >> DÅa 2015-10-22 11:58 Martin Sluka napÃsal(a): >> >>> The same cave but after new explorations: >> >>> >> >>> Loch: >> >>> >> >>> ParaView >> >>> >> >>> MeshLab >> >>> >> >>> Mesh Bounding Box Size 68.374199 153.150894 62.903999 >> >>> Mesh Bounding Box Diag 179.128845 >> >>> Mesh Volume is 43708.933594 >> >>> Mesh Surface is 21756.070312 >> >>> Thin shell barycenter -14.023410 -37.206078 -14.819854 >> >>> Center of Mass is -15.087652 -42.666534 -16.276274 >> >>> Inertia Tensor is : >> >>> | 20330152.00 -3620606.75 -1168910.625000 | >> >>> | -3620606.75 6608607.00 -4662930.00 | >> >>> | -1168910.625000 -4662930.00 21506810.00 | >> >>> Principal axes are : >> >>> | 0.231695 0.934567 0.270003 | >> >>> | 0.970067 -0.242716 0.007686 | >> >>> | -0.072717 -0.260140 0.962829 | >> >>> axis momenta are : >> >>> | 4363844.50 21226780.00 22854932.00 |
[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares
Well, finally i get the (part of) conclusion, why it doesn´t work properly: 1. there is no importance of line:wall orientation in th2 as Martin suggested 2. but it is because i have used FIXED POSITIONED 3d model. It has the result in destroyed 3d in Meshlab and prevents proper computation of volume and surface. CS IJTSK and UTM33 as well i have tried with no succes (even there can be seen small difference). Since there is need to compute all my data which consist 65 km of cave passages and thousands fixed stations, I do not see any solution on the horizont, but there should be something to solve it..?. Palo DÅa 2015-10-22 11:58 Martin Sluka napÃsal(a): > The same cave but after new explorations: > > Loch: > > ParaView > > MeshLab > > Mesh Bounding Box Size 68.374199 153.150894 62.903999 > Mesh Bounding Box Diag 179.128845 > Mesh Volume is 43708.933594 > Mesh Surface is 21756.070312 > Thin shell barycenter -14.023410 -37.206078 -14.819854 > Center of Mass is -15.087652 -42.666534 -16.276274 > Inertia Tensor is : > | 20330152.00 -3620606.75 -1168910.625000 | > | -3620606.75 6608607.00 -4662930.00 | > | -1168910.625000 -4662930.00 21506810.00 | > Principal axes are : > | 0.231695 0.934567 0.270003 | > | 0.970067 -0.242716 0.007686 | > | -0.072717 -0.260140 0.962829 | > axis momenta are : > | 4363844.50 21226780.00 22854932.00 | -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cs_jtsk.x3d Type: application/xml Size: 47632 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/eef6d480/attachment.wsdl> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cs_utm33.x3d Type: application/xml Size: 47452 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/eef6d480/attachment-0001.wsdl> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: j_pod_cestou_jtsk.lox Type: application/octet-stream Size: 30179 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/eef6d480/attachment.obj> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: j_pod_cestou_no_cs.lox Type: application/octet-stream Size: 30179 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/eef6d480/attachment-0001.obj> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: j_pod_cestou_utm33.lox Type: application/octet-stream Size: 30179 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/eef6d480/attachment-0002.obj> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: no_cs.x3d Type: application/xml Size: 46724 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/eef6d480/attachment-0002.wsdl>
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[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares - results more complicated
The same cave but after new explorations: Loch: ParaView MeshLab Mesh Bounding Box Size 68.374199 153.150894 62.903999 Mesh Bounding Box Diag 179.128845 Mesh Volume is 43708.933594 Mesh Surface is 21756.070312 Thin shell barycenter -14.023410 -37.206078 -14.819854 Center of Mass is -15.087652 -42.666534 -16.276274 Inertia Tensor is : | 20330152.00 -3620606.75 -1168910.625000 | | -3620606.75 6608607.00 -4662930.00 | | -1168910.625000 -4662930.00 21506810.00 | Principal axes are : | 0.231695 0.934567 0.270003 | | 0.970067 -0.242716 0.007686 | | -0.072717 -0.260140 0.962829 | axis momenta are : | 4363844.50 21226780.00 22854932.00 | -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/df24ef6f/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sni?mek obrazovky 2015-10-22 v?11.52.16.png Type: image/png Size: 66059 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/df24ef6f/attachment.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sni?mek obrazovky 2015-10-22 v?11.52.27.png Type: image/png Size: 69668 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/df24ef6f/attachment-0001.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sni?mek obrazovky 2015-10-22 v?11.53.54.png Type: image/png Size: 66217 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/df24ef6f/attachment-0002.png>
[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares - results
Mesh Bounding Box Size 24.910589 62.732632 24.883059 Mesh Bounding Box Diag 71.938080 Mesh Volume is 2614.356201 Mesh Surface is 2189.087402 Thin shell barycenter -19.268660 -21.685312 -10.670184 Center of Mass is -12.661084 -3.146624 -6.577620 Inertia Tensor is : | 797499.375000 -584521.375000 -130059.195312 | | -584521.375000 295041.50 -126873.382812 | | -130059.195312 -126873.382812 892615.562500 | Principal axes are : | -0.546083 -0.819744 -0.172664 | | 0.025174 -0.222074 0.974705 | | -0.837353 0.527923 0.141907 | axis momenta are : | -121068.546875 918162.937500 1188062.00 | MeshLab -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/db0b86ea/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sni?mek obrazovky 2015-10-22 v?11.40.09.png Type: image/png Size: 67654 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/db0b86ea/attachment.png>
[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares - correct model
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You are too fast, your Loch model is somewhere incorrect - check attached pictures. May you send the therion data too? m. > 21. 10. 2015 v 23:35, Footleg mailto:drfootleg at > gmail.com>>: > > Looks like a great topic to add to the wiki Martin. I used the export to vtk > and import into Paraview before when creating a model for 3D printing. But > beyond that point I was not involved in processing the data further (the > person arranging the 3D printing handled it from here on). I am sure there is > more to learn which can then be added to the topic if you start a wiki page > for this. > > Footleg > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 6:00 PM Martin Sluka <mailto:martinsluka at mac.com>> wrote: > Therion and 3D > > Therion is able to export 3D model in format .lox based on LRUD data, shape > of walls in plan and passage height informations recently. If the map is > drawn in correct way these models are quite good. To view the model one > should use internal viewer of Therion named Loch. The Loch has feature to > export model in the VTK format. And several softwares for manipulating with > 3D data for example CloudCompare or Paraview are able to import this VTK > format. > > CloudCompare is able to export next formats: > > BIN .bin CloudCompare own format > ASCII .asc,.txt,.xyz,.neu,.pts ASCII point cloud file (X,Y,Z,etc.) > LAS .las ASPRS lidar point clouds > E57 .e57 ASTM E57 file format > PCD .pcd Point Cloud Library format > PLY .ply Stanford 3D geometry format (cloud or mesh) > OBJ .obj Wavefront mesh > VTK .vtk VTK file format (triangular mesh or cloud only) > STL .stl STereoLithography file format (mesh) > OFF .off Object File Format (mesh) > FBX .fbx Autodesk (Filmbox) File Format > DXF .dxf Autocad DXF format > SHP .shp ESRI Shape file format > RASTER .geotiff, etc. Common raster formats (GDAL) > PV .pv Point cloud + scalar field > PN .pn Point cloud + normals > Sinusx .sx Sinusx curves > > ParaView is able to work with next formats: > > ParaView files > VTK files > Parallel (partitioned) VTK files > VTK MultiBlock (MultiGroup, Hierarchical, Hierarchical Box) files > Legacy VTK files > Parallel (partitioned) legacy VTK files > EnSight files > EnSight Master Server files > Exodus files > BYU files > XDMF files > PLOT3D files > SpyPlot CTH files > HDF5 raw image data files > DEM files > VRML files > PLY Polygonal files > Protein Data Bank files > XMol Molecule files > Stereo Lithography files > Gaussian Cube files > Raw (binary) files > AVS files > Meta Image files > Facet files > PNG files > SAF files > LS-Dyna files > > So you may for example calculate surface and volume of cave - thanks to > Filippo Gregori: > > 1) Export the lox file to vtk format > 2) With Paraview software I opened the file vtk > 3) Save the file as .x3d > 4) Open the file x3d in Meshlab software > 6) Apply the filter: Filters -> Quality measure and computation -> compute > geometric Measures > 7) Open log window: View -> Show Layer dialog > 8) Read the lines Volume Mesh and Mesh Surface > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk <mailto:Therion at speleo.sk> > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > <http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion> > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk <mailto:Therion at speleo.sk> > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion ___ Therion mailing list Therion at speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/b7ce09e8/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sni?mek obrazovky 2015-10-22 v?11.30.13.png Type: image/png Size: 45727 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/b7ce09e8/attachment.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sni?mek obrazovky 2015-10-22 v?11.31.05.png Type: image/png Size: 45684 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/b7ce09e8/attachment-0001.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sni?mek obrazovky 2015-10-22 v?11.27.43.png Type: image/png Size: 118014 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/b7ce09e8/attachment-0002.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sni?mek obrazovky 2015-10-22 v?11.27.54.png Type: image/png Size: 96589 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/b7ce09e8/attachment-0003.png>
[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares
You are too fast, your Loch model is somewhere incorrect - check attached pictures. May you send the therion data too? m. > 21. 10. 2015 v 23:35, Footleg : > > Looks like a great topic to add to the wiki Martin. I used the export to vtk > and import into Paraview before when creating a model for 3D printing. But > beyond that point I was not involved in processing the data further (the > person arranging the 3D printing handled it from here on). I am sure there is > more to learn which can then be added to the topic if you start a wiki page > for this. > > Footleg > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 6:00 PM Martin Sluka <mailto:martinsluka at mac.com>> wrote: > Therion and 3D > > Therion is able to export 3D model in format .lox based on LRUD data, shape > of walls in plan and passage height informations recently. If the map is > drawn in correct way these models are quite good. To view the model one > should use internal viewer of Therion named Loch. The Loch has feature to > export model in the VTK format. And several softwares for manipulating with > 3D data for example CloudCompare or Paraview are able to import this VTK > format. > > CloudCompare is able to export next formats: > > BIN .bin CloudCompare own format > ASCII .asc,.txt,.xyz,.neu,.pts ASCII point cloud file (X,Y,Z,etc.) > LAS .las ASPRS lidar point clouds > E57 .e57 ASTM E57 file format > PCD .pcd Point Cloud Library format > PLY .ply Stanford 3D geometry format (cloud or mesh) > OBJ .obj Wavefront mesh > VTK .vtk VTK file format (triangular mesh or cloud only) > STL .stl STereoLithography file format (mesh) > OFF .off Object File Format (mesh) > FBX .fbx Autodesk (Filmbox) File Format > DXF .dxf Autocad DXF format > SHP .shp ESRI Shape file format > RASTER .geotiff, etc. Common raster formats (GDAL) > PV .pv Point cloud + scalar field > PN .pn Point cloud + normals > Sinusx .sx Sinusx curves > > ParaView is able to work with next formats: > > ParaView files > VTK files > Parallel (partitioned) VTK files > VTK MultiBlock (MultiGroup, Hierarchical, Hierarchical Box) files > Legacy VTK files > Parallel (partitioned) legacy VTK files > EnSight files > EnSight Master Server files > Exodus files > BYU files > XDMF files > PLOT3D files > SpyPlot CTH files > HDF5 raw image data files > DEM files > VRML files > PLY Polygonal files > Protein Data Bank files > XMol Molecule files > Stereo Lithography files > Gaussian Cube files > Raw (binary) files > AVS files > Meta Image files > Facet files > PNG files > SAF files > LS-Dyna files > > So you may for example calculate surface and volume of cave - thanks to > Filippo Gregori: > > 1) Export the lox file to vtk format > 2) With Paraview software I opened the file vtk > 3) Save the file as .x3d > 4) Open the file x3d in Meshlab software > 6) Apply the filter: Filters -> Quality measure and computation -> compute > geometric Measures > 7) Open log window: View -> Show Layer dialog > 8) Read the lines Volume Mesh and Mesh Surface > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk <mailto:Therion at speleo.sk> > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > <http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion> > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/18273e0e/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sni?mek obrazovky 2015-10-22 v?11.27.43.png Type: image/png Size: 118014 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/18273e0e/attachment.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sni?mek obrazovky 2015-10-22 v?11.27.54.png Type: image/png Size: 96589 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/18273e0e/attachment-0001.png>
[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares
I have tried this with two small and simple caves to see, how it will make the tranformations and computings (just to be able to controll it), but unfortunately it seems to be extremely inaccurate with surfaces or even volumes due to incorrect tranformation. Or am I the one mistaken? Palo DÅa 2015-10-21 23:35 Footleg napÃsal(a): > Looks like a great topic to add to the wiki Martin. I used the export > to vtk and import into Paraview before when creating a model for 3D > printing. But beyond that point I was not involved in processing the > data further (the person arranging the 3D printing handled it from > here on). I am sure there is more to learn which can then be added to > the topic if you start a wiki page for this. > > Footleg > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 6:00 PM Martin Sluka > wrote: > >> Therion and 3D >> >> Therion is able to export 3D model in format .lox based on LRUD >> data, shape of walls in plan and passage height informations >> recently. If the map is drawn in correct way these models are quite >> good. To view the model one should use internal viewer of Therion >> named Loch. The Loch has feature to export model in the VTK format. >> And several softwares for manipulating with 3D data for example >> CloudCompare or Paraview are able to import this VTK format. >> >> CloudCompare is able to export next formats: >> >> BIN .bin CloudCompare own format >> ASCII .asc,.txt,.xyz,.neu,.pts ASCII point cloud file (X,Y,Z,etc.) >> LAS .las ASPRS lidar point clouds >> E57 .e57 ASTM E57 file format >> PCD .pcd Point Cloud Library format >> PLY .ply Stanford 3D geometry format (cloud or mesh) >> OBJ .obj Wavefront mesh >> VTK .vtk VTK file format (triangular mesh or cloud only) >> STL .stl STereoLithography file format (mesh) >> OFF .off Object File Format (mesh) >> FBX .fbx Autodesk (Filmbox) File Format >> DXF .dxf Autocad DXF format >> SHP .shp ESRI Shape file format >> RASTER .geotiff, etc. Common raster formats (GDAL) >> PV .pv Point cloud + scalar field >> PN .pn Point cloud + normals >> Sinusx .sx Sinusx curves >> >> ParaView is able to work with next formats: >> >> ParaView files >> VTK files >> Parallel (partitioned) VTK files >> VTK MultiBlock (MultiGroup, Hierarchical, Hierarchical Box) files >> Legacy VTK files >> Parallel (partitioned) legacy VTK files >> EnSight files >> EnSight Master Server files >> Exodus files >> BYU files >> XDMF files >> PLOT3D files >> SpyPlot CTH files >> HDF5 raw image data files >> DEM files >> VRML files >> PLY Polygonal files >> Protein Data Bank files >> XMol Molecule files >> Stereo Lithography files >> Gaussian Cube files >> Raw (binary) files >> AVS files >> Meta Image files >> Facet files >> PNG files >> SAF files >> LS-Dyna files >> >> So you may for example calculate surface and volume of cave - >> thanks to Filippo Gregori: >> >> 1) Export the lox file to vtk format >> 2) With Paraview software I opened the file vtk >> 3) Save the file as .x3d >> 4) Open the file x3d in Meshlab software >> 6) Apply the filter: Filters -> Quality measure and computation -> >> compute geometric Measures >> 7) Open log window: View -> Show Layer dialog >> 8) Read the lines Volume Mesh and Mesh Surface >> ___ >> Therion mailing list >> Therion at speleo.sk >> http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion [1] > > > Links: > -- > [1] http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: brloh5.lox Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2587 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/4b0a717b/attachment.obj> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: brloh5.x3d Type: application/xml Size: 11961 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/4b0a717b/attachment.wsdl> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: zd.lox.lox Type: application/octet-stream Size: 324 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/4b0a717b/attachment-0001.obj> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: zd.x3d Type: application/xml Size: 5604 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20151022/4b0a717b/attachment-0001.wsdl>