Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs
It is outside of my area of expertise, however: * No 1 seems dangerous, at the whim of future MS updates and there are bound to be people with non-standard setups, or very old Windows versions, any of which might break something that tries to be too clever. * No 2 is OK by me. I don’t think I would use a ‘non-installed’ version. The installer is compact, quick, easy and has proved versatile and reliable over at least 10 years. I rely on file associations heavily, to tweak my system to make Therion workflow ‘comfortable’. Bruce From: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of via Therion Sent: Monday, 17 July 2017 7:55 PM To: List for Therion users Cc: Владимир Георгиев Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs About the installer problems... Since I did the installer changes, here is that comes to mind: 1) I could try to make it more intelligent and to detect if there is an existing install location (all users or current user) and to install in the same one without the "All/Current user" prompt. This will probably not prevent all possible problems though. 2) Another solution would be to revert those changes and keep only the "All users" option, which requires admin privileges. This is how the older installers worked and always installed in Program Files. In addition to that, there could be a portable edition of Therion, which is distributed as a ZIP file and the user would only need to extract it in a folder. There would be no association to the TH, TH2 and THCONFIG file extensions of course. Currently the code reads the install location from the Win registry, but it could be made to search for files in the current folder. Does anyone have an opinion on what would be most useful? Would you use the portable option, or the "Current user" installer? Vladimir ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs
Usually a Windows application installer offers the option to install to a location of the users choosing. If this was done then users wanting to install without admin privileges could choose a location they have write permissions for. Otherwise users can choose to just click through 'Next' on each page to accept the default install under Program Files. Footleg On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:28 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion wrote: > It is outside of my area of expertise, however: > >- No 1 seems dangerous, at the whim of future MS updates and there are >bound to be people with non-standard setups, or very old Windows versions, >any of which might break something that tries to be too clever. >- No 2 is OK by me. > > I don’t think I would use a ‘non-installed’ version. The installer is > compact, quick, easy and has proved versatile and reliable over at least 10 > years. I rely on file associations heavily, to tweak my system to make > Therion workflow ‘comfortable’. > > Bruce > > > > *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of * > via Therion > *Sent:* Monday, 17 July 2017 7:55 PM > > > *To:* List for Therion users > > *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев > *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer > incomplete installs > > > > About the installer problems... > > Since I did the installer changes, here is that comes to mind: > 1) I could try to make it more intelligent and to detect if there is an > existing install location (all users or current user) and to install in the > same one without the "All/Current user" prompt. This will probably not > prevent all possible problems though. > > 2) Another solution would be to revert those changes and keep only the > "All users" option, which requires admin privileges. This is how the older > installers worked and always installed in Program Files. > > In addition to that, there could be a portable edition of Therion, which > is distributed as a ZIP file and the user would only need to extract it in > a folder. There would be no association to the TH, TH2 and THCONFIG file > extensions of course. Currently the code reads the install location from > the Win registry, but it could be made to search for files in the current > folder. > > Does anyone have an opinion on what would be most useful? > > Would you use the portable option, or the "Current user" installer? > > Vladimir > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion@speleo.sk > https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion > ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs
Yes, the location is flexible. I think it was that way in the old installer too. But there are also global Start menu shortcuts and registry entries that go into HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. For those the installer needs admin rights. If it doesn't have them, it comes down again to the All users vs Current user problem. Vlad On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Footleg via Therion wrote: > Usually a Windows application installer offers the option to install to a > location of the users choosing. If this was done then users wanting to > install without admin privileges could choose a location they have write > permissions for. Otherwise users can choose to just click through 'Next' on > each page to accept the default install under Program Files. > > Footleg > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:28 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion < > therion@speleo.sk> wrote: > >> It is outside of my area of expertise, however: >> >>- No 1 seems dangerous, at the whim of future MS updates and there >>are bound to be people with non-standard setups, or very old Windows >>versions, any of which might break something that tries to be too clever. >>- No 2 is OK by me. >> >> I don’t think I would use a ‘non-installed’ version. The installer is >> compact, quick, easy and has proved versatile and reliable over at least 10 >> years. I rely on file associations heavily, to tweak my system to make >> Therion workflow ‘comfortable’. >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of * >> via Therion >> *Sent:* Monday, 17 July 2017 7:55 PM >> >> >> *To:* List for Therion users >> >> *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев >> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer >> incomplete installs >> >> >> >> About the installer problems... >> >> Since I did the installer changes, here is that comes to mind: >> 1) I could try to make it more intelligent and to detect if there is an >> existing install location (all users or current user) and to install in the >> same one without the "All/Current user" prompt. This will probably not >> prevent all possible problems though. >> >> 2) Another solution would be to revert those changes and keep only the >> "All users" option, which requires admin privileges. This is how the older >> installers worked and always installed in Program Files. >> >> In addition to that, there could be a portable edition of Therion, which >> is distributed as a ZIP file and the user would only need to extract it in >> a folder. There would be no association to the TH, TH2 and THCONFIG file >> extensions of course. Currently the code reads the install location from >> the Win registry, but it could be made to search for files in the current >> folder. >> >> Does anyone have an opinion on what would be most useful? >> >> Would you use the portable option, or the "Current user" installer? >> >> Vladimir >> ___ >> Therion mailing list >> Therion@speleo.sk >> https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion >> > > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion@speleo.sk > https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion > > ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs
I have yet to meet a Therion user who knows another Therion user who they share a computer with. So I would be happy with install for Current user only. Footleg On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:15 PM Владимир Георгиев via Therion < therion@speleo.sk> wrote: > Yes, the location is flexible. I think it was that way in the old > installer too. > But there are also global Start menu shortcuts and registry entries that > go into HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. For those the installer needs admin rights. If > it doesn't have them, it comes down again to the All users vs Current user > problem. > > Vlad > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Footleg via Therion > wrote: > >> Usually a Windows application installer offers the option to install to a >> location of the users choosing. If this was done then users wanting to >> install without admin privileges could choose a location they have write >> permissions for. Otherwise users can choose to just click through 'Next' on >> each page to accept the default install under Program Files. >> >> Footleg >> >> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:28 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion < >> therion@speleo.sk> wrote: >> >>> It is outside of my area of expertise, however: >>> >>>- No 1 seems dangerous, at the whim of future MS updates and there >>>are bound to be people with non-standard setups, or very old Windows >>>versions, any of which might break something that tries to be too clever. >>>- No 2 is OK by me. >>> >>> I don’t think I would use a ‘non-installed’ version. The installer is >>> compact, quick, easy and has proved versatile and reliable over at least 10 >>> years. I rely on file associations heavily, to tweak my system to make >>> Therion workflow ‘comfortable’. >>> >>> Bruce >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of * >>> via Therion >>> *Sent:* Monday, 17 July 2017 7:55 PM >>> >>> >>> *To:* List for Therion users >>> >>> *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев >>> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer >>> incomplete installs >>> >>> >>> >>> About the installer problems... >>> >>> Since I did the installer changes, here is that comes to mind: >>> 1) I could try to make it more intelligent and to detect if there is an >>> existing install location (all users or current user) and to install in the >>> same one without the "All/Current user" prompt. This will probably not >>> prevent all possible problems though. >>> >>> 2) Another solution would be to revert those changes and keep only the >>> "All users" option, which requires admin privileges. This is how the older >>> installers worked and always installed in Program Files. >>> >>> In addition to that, there could be a portable edition of Therion, which >>> is distributed as a ZIP file and the user would only need to extract it in >>> a folder. There would be no association to the TH, TH2 and THCONFIG file >>> extensions of course. Currently the code reads the install location from >>> the Win registry, but it could be made to search for files in the current >>> folder. >>> >>> Does anyone have an opinion on what would be most useful? >>> >>> Would you use the portable option, or the "Current user" installer? >>> >>> Vladimir >>> ___ >>> Therion mailing list >>> Therion@speleo.sk >>> https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion >>> >> >> ___ >> Therion mailing list >> Therion@speleo.sk >> https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion >> >> > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion@speleo.sk > https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion > ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs
I got your idea :) That means making the installer non-admin only, so it will always install the shortcuts and registry entries for the Current user only. And the default suggested install location will be in the user's AppData folder, not in Program files. The theoretical Therion user who shares a computer with another Therion user will have to install their own copy :) Vlad On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Footleg via Therion wrote: > I have yet to meet a Therion user who knows another Therion user who they > share a computer with. So I would be happy with install for Current user > only. > > Footleg > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:15 PM Владимир Георгиев via Therion < > therion@speleo.sk> wrote: > >> Yes, the location is flexible. I think it was that way in the old >> installer too. >> But there are also global Start menu shortcuts and registry entries that >> go into HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. For those the installer needs admin rights. If >> it doesn't have them, it comes down again to the All users vs Current user >> problem. >> >> Vlad >> >> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Footleg via Therion >> wrote: >> >>> Usually a Windows application installer offers the option to install to >>> a location of the users choosing. If this was done then users wanting to >>> install without admin privileges could choose a location they have write >>> permissions for. Otherwise users can choose to just click through 'Next' on >>> each page to accept the default install under Program Files. >>> >>> Footleg >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:28 AM Bruce Mutton via Therion < >>> therion@speleo.sk> wrote: >>> It is outside of my area of expertise, however: - No 1 seems dangerous, at the whim of future MS updates and there are bound to be people with non-standard setups, or very old Windows versions, any of which might break something that tries to be too clever. - No 2 is OK by me. I don’t think I would use a ‘non-installed’ version. The installer is compact, quick, easy and has proved versatile and reliable over at least 10 years. I rely on file associations heavily, to tweak my system to make Therion workflow ‘comfortable’. Bruce *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] *On Behalf Of * via Therion *Sent:* Monday, 17 July 2017 7:55 PM *To:* List for Therion users *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Therion] Therion 5.4.1 Windows Installer incomplete installs About the installer problems... Since I did the installer changes, here is that comes to mind: 1) I could try to make it more intelligent and to detect if there is an existing install location (all users or current user) and to install in the same one without the "All/Current user" prompt. This will probably not prevent all possible problems though. 2) Another solution would be to revert those changes and keep only the "All users" option, which requires admin privileges. This is how the older installers worked and always installed in Program Files. In addition to that, there could be a portable edition of Therion, which is distributed as a ZIP file and the user would only need to extract it in a folder. There would be no association to the TH, TH2 and THCONFIG file extensions of course. Currently the code reads the install location from the Win registry, but it could be made to search for files in the current folder. Does anyone have an opinion on what would be most useful? Would you use the portable option, or the "Current user" installer? Vladimir ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion >>> >>> ___ >>> Therion mailing list >>> Therion@speleo.sk >>> https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion >>> >>> >> ___ >> Therion mailing list >> Therion@speleo.sk >> https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion >> > > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion@speleo.sk > https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion > > ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
