Re: [Therion] Joining scraps and PDF layouts

[Bill Gee via Therion]

This is a very interesting work-around!  I had not thought of trying it this 
way.  

There is still a problem:  If the water extends over many scraps, such as with 
a river in the cave, then this is not practical.  

I get my water areas to join by fiddling with the lines in adjoining scraps.  
It can get pretty close though it is never perfect.  I think the ultimate 
solution is to have some sort of "join" directive for areas.

-- 
Bill Gee

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On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 7:51:14 AM CDT Footleg via Therion wrote:
> More of a problem at scrap joins where both scraps have water area fills
> adjoining is that the hash lines indicating the fill type do not align. I
> work around this by drawing the entire water fill area on just one of the
> scraps so that it overlaps on top of the adjoining scrap (they must be in
> the same 'block' of the map; without a 'break' between them). Turn 'clip
> off' for the area fill so it extends outside the scrap border, overlapping
> the other scrap and appears as one area fill on the PDF. I often use this
> deliberately to hide colour differences at scrap joins where I am colouring
> my scrap backgrounds by altitude. The water area fill is always blue in my
> layout so it hides the contrast between adjoining scrap colours (circled in
> red in attached graphic).
> 
> Footleg
> [image: ScrapJoinHiddenByWater.png]
> 
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 8:22 PM Martin Sluka via Therion 
> wrote:
> > There is one possibility to play with invisible walls and define borders
> > of scraps not as straight lines but as puzzle.
> > 
> > In such case one scrap may include all water area.
> > 
> > The problem is with contact of scraps, but if both scraps are on the same
> > background image you may copy line from one scrap to another with  plain
> > text editor. Coordinates are the same.
> > 
> > m.s.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 14. 8. 2017 v 19:45, Torsten Schnitter via Therion :
> > 
> > 
> > Hi
> > As I was told by a grafic designer problem 1 is just visible on the
> > screen/monitor.
> > When printing to a plotter there are no white lines anymore.
> > I do have the same problem on the screen. But when plotting there are
> > really no white lines anymore.
> > Cheers,
> > Torsten
> > 
> > Am 14.08.2017 um 19:04 schrieb Henry Bennett via Therion <
> > therion@speleo.sk>:
> > 
> > Problem 2 can be addressed by working with some custom Tex.
> > 
> > Take a look at this
> > https://github.com/speleo/SpeleoPhilippines/blob/master/CodeLibrary/_layou
> > ts.tex
> > 
> > You’ll then need to inject the code into your thconfig file using the
> > “input” command.
> > 
> > 
> > https://github.com/speleo/SpeleoPhilippines/blob/master/Region-2/Baggao/th
> > config-BlueWater-System
> > 
> > or you could just cut and paste it in.
> > 
> > Hope this helps.  Should at least get you in the right direction.
> > 
> > Problem 1 has been discussed before and I agree, it is a pain.
> > 
> > Henry
> > 
> > 
> > *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk
> > ] *On Behalf Of *Steven Tucker via Therion
> > *Sent:* 14 August 2017 17:29
> > *To:* therion@speleo.sk
> > *Cc:* Steven Tucker 
> > *Subject:* [Therion] Joining scraps and PDF layouts
> > 
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I am busy completing a survey of a cave and I am running into two problems
> > with the final PDF
> > First problem.
> > There are water areas that cross over two scraps and the water is coloured
> > blue. In the PDF file, the line where the two scraps join show a thin
> > white
> > line. The kml and loch files don't show any split between the joint
> > scraps.
> > 
> > 
> > Any idea how to fix this?
> > Second problem.
> > 
> > I would like to display the cave name, scalebar etc in one area of the PDF
> > and have my legend in a seperate area of the PDF, but I can't figure out
> > how to do this.
> > 
> > Any help will be much appreciated!
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Steven
> > 
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Re: [Therion] Joining scraps and PDF layouts

[Footleg via Therion]

More of a problem at scrap joins where both scraps have water area fills
adjoining is that the hash lines indicating the fill type do not align. I
work around this by drawing the entire water fill area on just one of the
scraps so that it overlaps on top of the adjoining scrap (they must be in
the same 'block' of the map; without a 'break' between them). Turn 'clip
off' for the area fill so it extends outside the scrap border, overlapping
the other scrap and appears as one area fill on the PDF. I often use this
deliberately to hide colour differences at scrap joins where I am colouring
my scrap backgrounds by altitude. The water area fill is always blue in my
layout so it hides the contrast between adjoining scrap colours (circled in
red in attached graphic).

Footleg
[image: ScrapJoinHiddenByWater.png]

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 8:22 PM Martin Sluka via Therion 
wrote:

> There is one possibility to play with invisible walls and define borders
> of scraps not as straight lines but as puzzle.
>
> In such case one scrap may include all water area.
>
> The problem is with contact of scraps, but if both scraps are on the same
> background image you may copy line from one scrap to another with  plain
> text editor. Coordinates are the same.
>
> m.s.
>
>
>
> 14. 8. 2017 v 19:45, Torsten Schnitter via Therion :
>
>
> Hi
> As I was told by a grafic designer problem 1 is just visible on the
> screen/monitor.
> When printing to a plotter there are no white lines anymore.
> I do have the same problem on the screen. But when plotting there are
> really no white lines anymore.
> Cheers,
> Torsten
>
> Am 14.08.2017 um 19:04 schrieb Henry Bennett via Therion <
> therion@speleo.sk>:
>
> Problem 2 can be addressed by working with some custom Tex.
>
> Take a look at this
> https://github.com/speleo/SpeleoPhilippines/blob/master/CodeLibrary/_layouts.tex
>
> You’ll then need to inject the code into your thconfig file using the
> “input” command.
>
>
> https://github.com/speleo/SpeleoPhilippines/blob/master/Region-2/Baggao/thconfig-BlueWater-System
>
> or you could just cut and paste it in.
>
> Hope this helps.  Should at least get you in the right direction.
>
> Problem 1 has been discussed before and I agree, it is a pain.
>
> Henry
>
>
> *From:* Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk
> ] *On Behalf Of *Steven Tucker via Therion
> *Sent:* 14 August 2017 17:29
> *To:* therion@speleo.sk
> *Cc:* Steven Tucker 
> *Subject:* [Therion] Joining scraps and PDF layouts
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I am busy completing a survey of a cave and I am running into two problems
> with the final PDF
> First problem.
> There are water areas that cross over two scraps and the water is coloured
> blue. In the PDF file, the line where the two scraps join show a thin white
> line. The kml and loch files don't show any split between the joint scraps.
>
>
> Any idea how to fix this?
> Second problem.
>
> I would like to display the cave name, scalebar etc in one area of the PDF
> and have my legend in a seperate area of the PDF, but I can't figure out
> how to do this.
>
> Any help will be much appreciated!
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Steven
>
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Re: [Therion] mud!

[Footleg via Therion]

I designed a UK symbol set for just this purpose. You can pull a copy from
the British Caving Association registry where I (and many other UK cavers)
publish and share our data. See the gb_layout.thc file in the Wookey
Catchment repo:

http://www.cave-registry.org.uk/svn/WookeyCatchment/

My project in that catchment is Swildons. So if you want to see how I
include it in a Therion project just download the data set and process the
thconfig-swildons_ent Therion project file in the Swildons folder.

Footleg

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:36 PM Wookey via Therion 
wrote:

> On 2017-08-14 11:51 -0700, Rob Countess via Therion wrote:
>
> > It would seem like a break in tradition to use a different symbol for
> mud. I've
> > been surveying caves for 20 years with this symbol. As far as I
> understood, we
> > were using British mapping symbols because of the large number of British
> > cavers like Mike Boon and Tich Morris, and others who came over because
> of
> > Derek Ford at McMaster University. I used to have a huge list of symbols
> with
> > this mud symbol included, I can't find anything to back this up several
> pages
> > deep on google. You will notice that the UIS calcite symbol is exactly
> the mud
> > symbol in Canada whereas our calcite symbol is connected scallops. Not
> sure if
> > this is based of some now defunct british symbols set.
>
> You don't have to draw your caves with the UIS sysmbol set. You can
> choose a different symbol-set if you prefer. As you say, the lack of a
> 'mud' sysmbol is a bit difficult for cavers of a UK mindset, but the
> UIS logic in just defining sediments by particle size does make some
> sense.
>
> Therion is quite happy for you to specify any sysmbol set you like, or
> to add a few extra sysmbols. (Most UK surveyors can't really get by
> without the 'slope arrow' symbol for example)
>
> Wookey
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