Re: [Therion] Nautiz X8

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

> 4. 11. 2018 v 23:35, Bruce Mutton via Therion :
> 
> It happens for me all the time, and I wipe with my hand, lick the display 
> clean (yuk), or wash it in a stream or from my water bottle.

As wrote Marbach (in Alpine Caving Techniques 
http://speleo.lt/speleo/Knygos/Speleo/EN/Alpine%20Cave%20Techniques%20%5BEN%5D.pdf):
 

His tongue is sometimes only the clean part of body of a caver.

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Re: [Therion] Nautiz X8

[Pavel Herich via Therion]

Hi Bruce,
as you write, it´s enough to wipe it barehanded, very fast once or two 
times and screen works again, not necessary to dry or clean it 
perfectly. I have been using the device in many slovak caves, and I 
haven´t found any place, where would be impossible to draw a sketch, 
just sometimes I had to protect the screen with whole body like a 
serpent twists around the branch. I just wonder how it would be in some 
really rainy cave.

Hope I have answered your questions, good luck
Pavel

Dňa 2018-11-04 23:35 Bruce Mutton via Therion napísal(a):

Hi Pavel

It might be difficult for me to get device to test before buying, so I
just want to clarify the significance of this issue that you
mentioned...

"it´s necessary to protect screen from drops of water, even small
ones are registered and making some effect on screen".

You are using it a lot, as you mention, and I assume that you are
using the device underground.  Therefore I assume that from time to
time water droplets, wet mud and sand on the display are inevitable.
It happens for me all the time, and I wipe with my hand, lick the
display clean (yuk), or wash it in a stream or from my water bottle.

* Does this scenario make the X8 unusable for drawing and typing, or
just mildly annoying?
* What about wiping it with a cloth after washing it.  Does that fix
it?

(I have a non-caving device, that once wet, needs to be removed from
the humid environment completely before the display will respond
correctly - drying with a non-absorbent cloth is not sufficient - I
want to make sure the X8 is not like this).

Regards

Bruce

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Sent: Saturday, 3 November 2018 18:02
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Subject: [Therion] Nautiz X8

Thanks for the insights Pavel.

I can see those side buttons are in exactly the wrong place.

I too would be after the Windows version, I understand the Windows
ones can run Android, but not vice versa.

So before proceeding I will check PocketTopo speed, stylus and water
response.  All our caves are such that devices are constantly wet and
muddy while surveying. That the Nautiz display responds badly to water
surprizes me, as our Trimble Recons have never responded to water
(except once when swimming), and that assumption is the reason I am
looking at them.

Regards

Bruce

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From: Therion  On Behalf Of Pavel Herich
via Therion

Sent: Saturday, 3 November 2018 03:18

To: List for Therion users 

Cc: Pavel Herich 

Subject: Re: [Therion] Nautiz X8

Hello,

i´m using it for more than two years now, 3 to 15 times per month. My
device is built on windows, so there is PocketTopo installed. For me
it works great, strong battery, quite big screen, I use to clean it
just directly under the flowing water. But on the other hand,
surprisingly PocketTopo turned out to run significantly slower than on
the previous, old and cheap PDA (means menu reactions, context menu
calling and so; it doesn´t affect bleutooth connection or any other
core functionalities - anyway it could be just some settings error).
Then, I had to replace stylus, which was very wide and not draw
friendly, instead I use thin stylus from old PDA (metal core), which
doesn´t works perfectly, but it´s much better to work with. As well,
the screen is not so precise for drawing than on my old PDA, partly
perhaps because of bigger screen, but I think the technology has been
changed (you can use only plastic, thin protection of the screen to be
able to use old and precise stylus).

Also, the two buttons (arrows) on the left side of the device I found
very annoying - there are right there, where one would hold the
device, they manage volume, which is very necessary to work with
inside the cave...; I will try to seal them once. And last thing,
it´s necessary to protect screen from drops of water, even small ones
are registered and making some effect on screen.

So that´s all troubles I noticed, otherwise you can count with this
device anywhere.

But to use it just to draw a raw sketch in PocketTopo or Topodroid,
it´s bit expensive (f.e. DigiTerra explorer - basic GIS software can
be instaled).

Pavel

Dňa 2018-10-31 19:06 Bruce Mutton via Therion napísal(a):


Good Morning.



Does anyone have experience with these?



Nautiz X8









https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-computer/handheld-pda/nautiz-x8/#tab=tecspec[1]






http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_handhelds_handheldus_nautiz_x8.html [2]




https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-solutions/Customer-Solutions/nautiz-x8-extreme-environment-surveying-with-rugged-handhelds







Bruce

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[Therion] Nautiz X8

[Bruce Mutton via Therion]

Hi Pavel

It might be difficult for me to get device to test before buying, so I just 
want to clarify the significance of this issue that you mentioned...

"it´s necessary to protect screen from drops of water, even small ones are 
registered and making some effect on screen".

 

You are using it a lot, as you mention, and I assume that you are using the 
device underground.  Therefore I assume that from time to time water droplets, 
wet mud and sand on the display are inevitable.  It happens for me all the 
time, and I wipe with my hand, lick the display clean (yuk), or wash it in a 
stream or from my water bottle.

*   Does this scenario make the X8 unusable for drawing and typing, or just 
mildly annoying?
*   What about wiping it with a cloth after washing it.  Does that fix it? 

(I have a non-caving device, that once wet, needs to be removed from the humid 
environment completely before the display will respond correctly - drying with 
a non-absorbent cloth is not sufficient - I want to make sure the X8 is not 
like this).

 

Regards

Bruce

 

-Original Message-
From: Therion  On Behalf Of Bruce Mutton via Therion
Sent: Saturday, 3 November 2018 18:02
To: 'List for Therion users' 
Cc: Bruce Mutton 
Subject: [Therion] Nautiz X8

 

Thanks for the insights Pavel.

I can see those side buttons are in exactly the wrong place.

I too would be after the Windows version, I understand the Windows ones can run 
Android, but not vice versa.

So before proceeding I will check PocketTopo speed, stylus and water response.  
All our caves are such that devices are constantly wet and muddy while 
surveying. That the Nautiz display responds badly to water surprizes me, as our 
Trimble Recons have never responded to water (except once when swimming), and 
that assumption is the reason I am looking at them.

Regards

Bruce

 

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From: Therion <  therion-boun...@speleo.sk> 
On Behalf Of Pavel Herich via Therion

Sent: Saturday, 3 November 2018 03:18

To: List for Therion users <  therion@speleo.sk>

Cc: Pavel Herich <  her...@speleodd.sk>

Subject: Re: [Therion] Nautiz X8

 

Hello,

i´m using it for more than two years now, 3 to 15 times per month. My device is 
built on windows, so there is PocketTopo installed. For me it works great, 
strong battery, quite big screen, I use to clean it just directly under the 
flowing water. But on the other hand, surprisingly PocketTopo turned out to run 
significantly slower than on the previous, old and cheap PDA (means menu 
reactions, context menu calling and so; it doesn´t affect bleutooth connection 
or any other core functionalities - anyway it could be just some settings 
error). Then, I had to replace stylus, which was very wide and not draw 
friendly, instead I use thin stylus from old PDA (metal core), which doesn´t 
works perfectly, but it´s much better to work with. As well, the screen is not 
so precise for drawing than on my old PDA, partly perhaps because of bigger 
screen, but I think the technology has been changed (you can use only plastic, 
thin protection of the screen to be able to use old and precise stylus). 

Also, the two buttons (arrows) on the left side of the device I found very 
annoying - there are right there, where one would hold the device, they manage 
volume, which is very necessary to work with inside the cave...; I will try to 
seal them once. And last thing, it´s necessary to protect screen from drops of 
water, even small ones are registered and making some effect on screen.

So that´s all troubles I noticed, otherwise you can count with this device 
anywhere.

But to use it just to draw a raw sketch in PocketTopo or Topodroid, it´s bit 
expensive (f.e. DigiTerra explorer - basic GIS software can be instaled).

Pavel

 

Dňa 2018-10-31 19:06 Bruce Mutton via Therion napísal(a):

> Good Morning.

> Does anyone have experience with these?

> Nautiz X8

> 

> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-computer/handheld-pda/nautiz-x8/#tab=tecspec[1]
>  

> 

http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_handhelds_handheldus_nautiz_x8.html [2]

 

> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-solutions/Customer-Solutions/nautiz-x8-extreme-environment-surveying-with-rugged-handhelds
>  

> 

> Bruce

 

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[Therion] Therion ini linefeeds

[Bruce Mutton via Therion]

Torsten wrote

> I'm using a windows with Therion and if you have a look to the ini file there 
> are missing all line feeds.



I’m currently using Windows 10 with Therion development version dfe3c00 and 
have never noticed any problem.

But I recall some changes mentioned regarding linefeed behaviour in recent 
commits, so I thought I’d check with other editors.

 

So my preferred editor NotePad++ displays the linefeeds ini files correctly, as 
does WordPad.

But the NotePad application that ships with Windows 10 does not display the 
therion.ini linefeeds, except one.  The whole therion.ini file displays on two 
lines.  Xtherion.ini displays on about 7 lines with the linefeeds in random 
places, apparently midline.

 

As I never use the NotePad that ships with Windows it does not concern me, but 
maybe this is something that needs resolving or explaining so that other users 
are not inconvenienced.

 

Bruce

 

 

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Re: [Therion] Problem with elevation view

[Torsten Schnitter via Therion]

Hi Martin

Thanks a lot for your hints. Espacially the infer command (I didn't know this).

While playing around with this command I recognized no change in behaviour to 
vertical shots.
Of course this could not be and something else was wrong.
In the end I realized that all lines in the Therion .ini file where with 
comments.
Of course therefore it didn't  make any difference in changing loop closure 
method from survex to therion and vice versa.

I'm using a windows with Therion and if you have a look to the ini file there 
are missing all line feeds.
Therefore this ini-file is not that readable... anyhow. I build this file new 
with command "therion.exe --print-init-file" and all line feeds where in place.
Than I realized my mistake and uncomment the line with loop closure method.

And now I have to say: there IS a difference in the effects using loop closure 
method survex or therion.
With 'survex' you get the problems I observed (0m beeing not at the same level 
and other misplacements).
But with 'therion' as the loop closure method it worked very good and I got all 
0m lines at the same level. But some minor misplacements nevertheless.
And with the command 'infer plumbs on' it looks pretty perfect.
Vertical shots stay vertical and after loop closures as well.

Hopefully my problems with the elevation view are solved now...
I have to check some more details but it's looking pretty good.

Thanks again for all the help and sorry for my confusion with the loop closure 
method.

regards,
Torsten

> Martin Sluka via Therion  hat am 3. November 2018 um 12:44 
> geschrieben:
> 
> 
> 
> > > 3. 11. 2018 v 11:30, Torsten Schnitter via Therion < 
> therion@speleo.sk mailto:therion@speleo.sk >:
> > 
> > 
> > Due to this corrections I observed another point as well.
> > Having a vertical shot before the loop closures (and for sure this 
> > is vertical!) this shot is not vertical anymore after the loop closures.
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> One thing more:
> 
> • infer   ▷ ‘ infer plumbs on ’ tells the program to 
> interpret gradients
> °æ 90 ◦ as UP/DOWN (this means no clino corrections are applied). ‘ infer 
> equates
> on ’ will case program to interpret shots with 0 length as equate 
> commands (which
> means that no tape corrections are applied)
> 
> Martin S.
> 


 

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