[Therion] 2 Map-connection issue - Going to four levels - Offset tests SAMD-ITF-IS example

[Bruce Mutton]

Thanks Martin

So we now have confirmation of the same inconsistent map-connection
behaviour, relative to offset level, across three different ways of managing
surveys and maps:

*   Separate surveys and maps (Martin's example, Therion best practice)
*   Maps defined in surveys (My example from 2022, TopParser, Sexy Topo
approach)
*   Maps defined separate to surveys, but then included in next-level
surveys (My usual practice)

 

Suggests to me that the inconsistent map-connection behaviour is not related
to how surveys and maps are managed, but is rather a built-in characteristic
of Therion behaviour.

Tarquin mentioned that he could not replicate this inconsistent behaviour.
Now that we have teased out the problem some more, can you confirm that you
were testing the same issue Tarquin?

 

Bruce

 

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23. 3. 2023 v 20:13, Bruce Mutton mailto:br...@tomo.co.nz> >:

 

One more question.

I presume you have strict separation of surveys and maps in this dataset, as
demonstrated here

https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/faq#how_to_arrange_the_maps and
 https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/s_m ?

 

 

I use it as preferred method. 

 

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Re: [Therion] 2 Map-connection issue - Going to four levels - Offset tests SAMD-ITF-IS example

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

> 23. 3. 2023 v 20:13, Bruce Mutton :
> 
> One more question.
> I presume you have strict separation of surveys and maps in this dataset, as 
> demonstrated here https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/faq#how_to_arrange_the_maps 
>  and 
> https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/s_m  ?
> 

I use it as preferred method. 

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Re: [Therion] 2 Map-connection issue - Going to four levels - Offset tests SAMD-ITF-IS example

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

Hi, 

I used the offset only to generate final map. 

Definitions of particular maps is very simple:

map modrovska_s01.map
  modrovska_s01
endmap

 map modrovska_s08.map
  modrovska_s08
endmap

map modrovska_s03.map
  modrovska_s03
endmap

map modrovska_s10.map
  modrovska_s10
endmap

map modrovska_s11.map
  modrovska_s11
endmap

map modrovska_s12.map
  modrovska_s12
endmap

map modrovska_s12-21.map
  modrovska_s12.map
  modrovska_s21.map
endmap

map modrovska_s13.map
  modrovska_s13
endmap

map modrovska_s14.map
modrovska_s14
break
modrovska_s14a
endmap

map modrovska_s15.map
  modrovska_s15
endmap

map modrovska_s16.map
  modrovska_s16
endmap

map modrovska_s19.map
  modrovska_s19
endmap

map modrovska_s19-24-25.map
  modrovska_s19.map
  break
  modrovska_s24-25.map [0 -8 m] below
endmap

map modrovska_s20.map
  modrovska_s20
endmap

map modrovska_s11-20.map
  modrovska_s11.map
  break
  modrovska_s20.map [-3 -3 m]  below
endmap

map modrovska_s21.map
  modrovska_s21
  break
  modrovska_s21a
  modrovska_s21b
endmap

map modrovska_s22.map 
  modrovska_s22
endmap

map modrovska_s24.map
  modrovska_s24
endmap

map modrovska_s24-25.map
  modrovska_s25.map
  break
  modrovska_s24.map [0 -7 m] below
endmap

map modrovska_s25.map
  modrovska_s25
endmap

map modrovska_s26.map
  modrovska_s26
endmap

map modrovska_s27.map
  modrovska_s27
endmap

map modrovska_s28.map
  modrovska_s28
endmap

map modrovska_s30.map
  modrovska_s30a
  break
  modrovska_s30
endmap


Martin

> 
> Interesting Martin
> Your example mostly demonstrates one level of offset, but it goes to two 
> levels bottom-left (to blue to purple), and apparently three levels at the 
> bottom (to green to blue to dark blue).  However looking closely it seems 
> that the map-connection line to blue goes directly from yellow (ie not from 
> green).  If this is the case there are two scenarios: 
> 
> Scenario 1 - based on the map-connection line I have highlighted, both the 
> green and blue are first-level offsets.  I may be mistaken as the image is 
> not sufficiently clear.
> If it is two levels of offset, then that is not sufficient to trigger the 
> ‘bug’ David and I have described.
> If it is three levels of offset, then you have somehow managed to avoid the 
> ‘bug’ and the map-connection lines/points are coincidentally on the same 
> alignment.
>  
> Scenario 2 – is that this example demonstrates the ‘bug’ described, if not 
> particularly clearly.  My synopsis of the bug was “the line created by point 
> map-connection is only correctly originating from its parent map at the most 
> deeply nested level of offset and at the 1st level offset.  At all other 
> (intermediate) offset levels, the map-connection line reverts to originating 
> from the top-level map, and not from its direct parent.”
>  
> So Martin, if you could perhaps clarify.  I suggest adding a horizontal 
> component to the light blue map in my snip above, and confirming whether the 
> map offsets are two or three level.
> If it is two level, it does not test the bug. If it is three level and there 
> is no ‘bug’, the map connection line, blue to dark blue, should radiate from 
> blue and not from yellow.
>  
> Tarquin
> I’ll respond to your message later – off to work now!
>  
> Thanks
> Bruce
>  
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> Just a sample. Colorised by altitude.
>  
> M.
>  
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