[Therion] Survex use 0/180° not +90/-90

[cawa sorix]

Hi all,

I had an issue today on data with Vulcain topofil data.
On Vulcain topofil the clino is from 0 to 180° and
0 =  +90
90 = 0
180 = -90

I didn't find anything on survex documentation about that.
Do you have any idea about the right setup for the survex line ?

I have no idea what is the right word for the ??

Example :
units compass grad
units clino grad
data normal from to fromcount tocount compass ?? left right up down
1-01-1  6762.06799.0  385.00  119.00   0.40   0.30
  1.00   1.00
1-11-2  6799.06999.0  235.00  106.00   0.40   0.40
  0.90   0.20

C.S.

[Therion] Survex use 0/180° not +90/-90

[cawa sorix]

Thank you very much for your explanation.

2012/12/11 Olly Betts :
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 09:41:52PM +0100, cawa sorix wrote:
>> I had an issue today on data with Vulcain topofil data.
>> On Vulcain topofil the clino is from 0 to 180° and
>> 0 =  +90
>> 90 = 0
>> 180 = -90
>>
>> I didn't find anything on survex documentation about that.
>> Do you have any idea about the right setup for the survex line ?
>
> In Survex you would say that a reading of 90 means zero and that the
> scale reads with increasing numbers downwards like so:
>
> *calibrate clino 90 -1
>
> Currently cavern will warn for readings above 90 - this should be
> addressed in the next release, but meanwhile you can ignore such
> warnings - they don't indicate a real problem in the data.
>
> Cheers,
> Olly

[Therion] Error 768

[cawa sorix]

Hi all,

2012/11/29 Wookey :
> +++ Andrew Atkinson [2012-11-28 16:35 +]:
>
>> So when producing a pdf I get the Error 768, log attached, everything
>> else I do seems to work as normal
>>
>
> The erros seems to be that instead of getting (./mptextmp.mp)
> (./mptextmp.mp) (./mptextmp.mp)
>
> you get this:
>
> (./mptextmp.mp
>>> mptextmp.mp
>>> mptextmp.mpx
> ! Unable to make mpx file.
> l.2 btex
>  \mainfont 0 etex
> The two files given above are one of your source files
> and an auxiliary file I need to read to find out what your
> btex..etex blocks mean. If you don't know why I had trouble,
> try running it manually through MPtoTeX, TeX, and DVItoMP


> I did notice whilst investigating that thmpost.cxx is nothing but a
> massive const char * string defintion of the whole metapost file,
> which seems pretty crufty. This is presumably the very old bring
> 'inline' of the tex and metpost stuff to avoid issue with Windows
> people having files missing/not found. I would like to understand how
> this stuff works, for debug and also for considering whether it is
> worth undoing so that the files can be placed more normally/correctly
> in the Debian packaging.
>
> Wookey

I compiled 5.3.10 on 2 different debian :
debian wheezy/sid (powerpc) and debian squezze (i386) I have the error
768 on 2 machines... error log bellow :
The same therion files compile on windows version.

Do you fix the issue ? or do you have any track ?


### metapost log file 
This is MetaPost, version 1.504 (kpathsea version 6.1.0)  16 DEC 2012 09:42
**data.mp
(mpost.mp (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/metapost/base/plain.mp
Preloading the plain mem file, version 1.004)) (./data.mp [4001] [4002] [4003]
[4004] [4005] [4006] [4007] [4008] [4009] [4010] [4011] [4012]
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]
>> data.mp
>> data.mpx
! Unable to make mpx file.
l.7271 p_label(btex
\thlabel\thnormalsize \thfb\char80 \char49 \char52 \main...
The two files given above are one of your source files
and an auxiliary file I need to read to find out what your
btex..etex blocks mean. If you don't know why I had trouble,
try running it manually through MPtoTeX, TeX, and DVItoMP



Here is how much of MetaPost's memory you used:
 6013 strings using 122027 characters
 790012 bytes of node memory
 1329 symbolic tokens
 9i,75n,11p,158b,2f stack positions out of 16i,84n,12p,200b,4f27
output files written: data.1 .. data.4012


 end of metapost log file 
therion: error -- metapost exit code -- 768
writing xtherion file ... done

tks,
C.S

[Therion] Error 768

[cawa sorix]

I fact I fixed the issue :o)

I ran therion on command line to catch the error message and I found
an older message from 2007 : [Therion] texlive support in therion

The fix is to add the line bellow on the /etc/therion.ini :
tex-fonts raw cmr10 cmti10 cmbx10 cmss10 cmssi10

C.S.


2012/12/16 cawa sorix :
> Hi all,
>
> 2012/11/29 Wookey :
>> +++ Andrew Atkinson [2012-11-28 16:35 +]:
>>
>>> So when producing a pdf I get the Error 768, log attached, everything
>>> else I do seems to work as normal
>>>
>>
>> The erros seems to be that instead of getting (./mptextmp.mp)
>> (./mptextmp.mp) (./mptextmp.mp)
>>
>> you get this:
>>
>> (./mptextmp.mp
>>>> mptextmp.mp
>>>> mptextmp.mpx
>> ! Unable to make mpx file.
>> l.2 btex
>>  \mainfont 0 etex
>> The two files given above are one of your source files
>> and an auxiliary file I need to read to find out what your
>> btex..etex blocks mean. If you don't know why I had trouble,
>> try running it manually through MPtoTeX, TeX, and DVItoMP
>
>
>> I did notice whilst investigating that thmpost.cxx is nothing but a
>> massive const char * string defintion of the whole metapost file,
>> which seems pretty crufty. This is presumably the very old bring
>> 'inline' of the tex and metpost stuff to avoid issue with Windows
>> people having files missing/not found. I would like to understand how
>> this stuff works, for debug and also for considering whether it is
>> worth undoing so that the files can be placed more normally/correctly
>> in the Debian packaging.
>>
>> Wookey
>
> I compiled 5.3.10 on 2 different debian :
> debian wheezy/sid (powerpc) and debian squezze (i386) I have the error
> 768 on 2 machines... error log bellow :
> The same therion files compile on windows version.
>
> Do you fix the issue ? or do you have any track ?
>
>
> ### metapost log file 
> This is MetaPost, version 1.504 (kpathsea version 6.1.0)  16 DEC 2012 09:42
> **data.mp
> (mpost.mp (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/metapost/base/plain.mp
> Preloading the plain mem file, version 1.004)) (./data.mp [4001] [4002] [4003]
> [4004] [4005] [4006] [4007] [4008] [4009] [4010] [4011] [4012]
> [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]
>>> data.mp
>>> data.mpx
> ! Unable to make mpx file.
> l.7271 p_label(btex
> \thlabel\thnormalsize \thfb\char80 \char49 \char52 
> \main...
> The two files given above are one of your source files
> and an auxiliary file I need to read to find out what your
> btex..etex blocks mean. If you don't know why I had trouble,
> try running it manually through MPtoTeX, TeX, and DVItoMP
>
>
>
> Here is how much of MetaPost's memory you used:
>  6013 strings using 122027 characters
>  790012 bytes of node memory
>  1329 symbolic tokens
>  9i,75n,11p,158b,2f stack positions out of 16i,84n,12p,200b,4f27
> output files written: data.1 .. data.4012
>
>
>  end of metapost log file 
> therion: error -- metapost exit code -- 768
> writing xtherion file ... done
>
> tks,
> C.S

[Therion] Difference between Debian and win7

[cawa sorix]

Hi all,

I use therion 5.3.10, and a workaround with vertical survey (replace
+/-90 with +/-89.99) and vthreshold 90 deg with to stay on LRUD
system.
But now, with 5.3.10 version, this solution works fine on windows
version, but it doesn't work on debian (wheezy/sid and squezze).

On attachment a cave test with loch and xvi files, and the result with
debian and windows.
Do you have the same result on linux ?  and do you have an idea to
solve this issue ?

My main machine is on debian... and I have a few caves to convert to therion :'(

Regards,
Laurent.
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[Therion] both plan and extended elevation on the same pdf page

[cawa sorix]

Hi all,

I have a few litlle caves to import in therion, it works fine, on 2
files, but I look for a solution to put both plan and extended
elevation on the same pdf, I found the wiki page
http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/fr:tbe:wiki7, 7.1 Output, but I
don't understand, how the process works.

Do you test this solution or do you have an other track ?

Regards,
C.S.

[Therion] both plan and extended elevation on the same pdf page

[cawa sorix]

^_^

>With help of this command you may place to final pdf any other pdf file - 
>logo, picture of tree, bat, other map, â¦
>
>1. generate the pdf file you want to "map-image"
>2. generate the pdf file of second map and "map-image" first one.
>
>You may do it in one compilation, but the order must be as above.


I use this solution to put a logo and picture on the map, I don't
think I can use the same solution.


>
> Here is an example of the config file to put the elevation below the plan
> with the map-image trick that Martin mentionned. It is not ideal but it is
> often sufficient for small caves.
>

With your example it is easy to generate map and extended on the same
pdf. Now it works :o)

Many thanks for your quick answer, and happy New Year, bonne année,
buon anno, šťastný nový rok...

C.S.

[Therion] Vertical issue

[cawa sorix]

Hi all,

This is my first message on this list. I try to user therion with the
linux version.

I can generate a topo and a 3d model now with wiki help. But I have an
issue with vertical and I don't find anything on the wiki or the
mailing list archive to solve it.

I try to realise a topo with vertical and on all vertical I have a
figure there are nothing to do here.

I will try to explain my trouble:

If I put -90° or +90° I have a new rectangle on the result if I try
with -89° the rectangle disappear.

With -90° see the result at this address
http://i.imgur.com/AinzN.png

survey main -title "Test cave"

 survey first
 centreline

data normal from to length compass clino left right up down

P00   0.000.000.000.60   0.30
0.00   1.00
0 1  10.5070.00  -66.00   1.00   0.50
1.00   3.50
1 2   7.5070.00  -90.00   0.30   1.00
3.00   0.00
2 3   1.1570.00   0.000.30   1.10
0.00   0.50
3 4   2.3070.00  -34.00   0.00   1.50
1.50   1.25
4 5   1.0070.00  -90.00   0.30   1.30
6.25   0.00
5 6   2.9070.00  -1.000.60   1.00
1.00   2.00
 endcentreline
 endsurvey
endsurvey

The same with -89°

data normal from to length compass clino left right up down

P00   0.000.000.000.60   0.30
0.00   1.00
0 1  10.5070.00  -66.00   1.00   0.50
1.00   3.50
1 2   7.5070.00  -89.00   0.30   1.00
3.00   0.00
2 3   1.1570.00   0.000.30   1.10
0.00   0.50
3 4   2.3070.00  -34.00   0.00   1.50
1.50   1.25
4 5   1.0070.00  -89.00   0.30   1.30
6.25   0.00
5 6   2.9070.00  -1.000.60   1.00
1.00   2.00
 endcentreline
 endsurvey
endsurvey

I don't know if it is clear or not, I'm sorry for my english.
Do you have any idear on what is wrong or what I don't undestand ?

Regards,
Laurent

[Therion] Vertical issue

[cawa sorix]

Hi Bruce,

Thanks for your quick answer.

In fact I found vthreshold threads, and I tested different values for
that parameter without any change. It seems default value is -90 90
and it not possible to choose 91 or a wild cart.

I will change every vertical values to 89.9 and I try to draw my cave.
Is there any evolution plan on the todo list about this subject ?

Laurent.

Thanks developers for yours job.

2012/5/22 Bruce :
> Laurent
>
> Welcome to the list.
>
>
>
> As the gradient of a survey shot increases, therion switches from the
> assumption that passages are measured LRUD to an assumption that they are
> measured LR-front-back and then at 90 deg to NSEW.  At present the user has
> some control of this, but not complete control.
>
> From the therion book (and slightly rephrased by me)...
>
>
>
> vthreshold    threshold for interpreting LRUD readings as
> left-right-front-back reading perpendicular to the shot.
>
> If passeges are near horizontal (inclination < vthreshold), LR is
> perpendicular to the
>
> shot and UD is vertical.
>
> If passages are near vertical (inclination > vthreshold), UD becomes
> perpendicular to the shot – otherwise passages would not look very good.
>
> In the case of vertical shots, UD is interpreted as north-south dimension
> from the station to allow tube-like modelling of verticals.
>
>
>
> It is the feature in the last sentence which is upsetting your output.   You
> may have noticed the recent posts discussing the merits or otherwise of this
> behaviour.
>
> I have never concerned myself much with this, as my focus is cartographed
> drawings, not models, so I just ignore the spurious ‘walls’ at pitches.
> Hence this advice might not be perfect.  Try using 89.9 deg in place of 90
> deg as a workaround.
>
>
>
> Incidentally, does anyone know what the default value of vthreshold is?
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
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[Therion] How to extract the length of each centerline ?

[cawa sorix]

Hi Xavier,

I understood you works on windows I think you can use a tools to do
the first step for example :
http://sqlitebrowser.sourceforge.net/

and create query on sql language to select the data you need with
where conditions.

Regards,
Laurent

2012/5/29, Marco Corvi :
> hi xavier,
>
> just export as database, say with output "cave.sql",
> make a db with it: "sqlite3 cave.db< cave.sql".
> open the db and select from the table centreline: "sqlite3 cave.db" and at
> the prompt
>
> "select title, length from centreline;"
>
> or "select title, length from centreline where title not null;"
> use ".schema centreline" to see the fields of the table,
> ".help"for help.
>
>
> marco
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Xavier Robert 
> To: Therion 
> Cc: stephane lips 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 11:43 AM
> Subject: [Therion] How to extract the length of each centerline ?
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am still working on the survey of the Jean-Bernard system in the French
> Alps. I have a bunch of different centerlines series, and I need to extract
> the length of each centerline to link them to the history of the
> exploration/surveying.
>
> I understood how to export the SQL database of the cave system, however, as
> I do not know at all how to deal with SQL databases, I wondering if there is
> there an easy way to extract this information with a command similar to
> "export survey-list" ? The best will be an output like "centerline_ID -
> Station_first - Station_last - Centerline_length - Topo_date" !
>
> Cheers,
>
> Xavier
>
>
>
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[Therion] FW: Doubt about vertical sections

[cawa sorix]

Hi,

I had the same issue in my first topo, a workaround is to put 89° and
no 90°, and vertical are vertical and LRUD are LRUD.

I never really understand how use vthreshold, it will be the next
challenge maybe...

Regards,
Laurent.

2012/11/1 Marco Menchise :
> Thanks for the clarification.
> I admit to have missed the point, the test I made some time ago when
> starting using Therion were not enough accurate to show the vthreshold
> limit.
>
> Marco
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Bruce  wrote:
>>
>> …so to clarify further …
>>
>> As the gradient of a survey shot increases, therion switches from the
>> assumption that passages are measured LRUD (vertical up down) to an
>> assumption that they are measured LR-front-back (up down perpendicular to
>> the passage orientation) and then at +-90 deg to the assumption that they
>> are measured NSEW.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can control the inclination at which the first change occurs by adding
>>
>>
>>
>> vthreshold 40 degrees
>>
>>
>>
>> to your centerline block of data.
>>
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately we cannot change the NSEW behaviour (yet).
>>
>> What you need to know of course, is approach the surveyors took when they
>> were collecting the data, and adjust your input accordinly.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] On
>> Behalf Of Bruce
>> Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 7:08 a.m.
>> To: 'List for Therion users'
>> Subject: Re: [Therion] Doubt about vertical sections
>>
>>
>>
>> Marco
>>
>> I tested your example and got the result you described with both xvi and
>> pdf outputs.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think you have found the transition defined by ‘vthreshold’.
>>
>> From the Therion Book…
>>
>> “
>>
>> vthreshold   ◃ threshold for interpreting LRUD readings as
>> left-right-front-back reading perpendicular to the shot.
>>
>> If passeges are horizontal (inclination < vthreshold), LR is perpendicular
>> to the shot and UD is vertical.
>>
>> If passages are more or less vertical (inclination > vthreshold), even UD
>> becomes perpendicular to the shot – otherwise passages would not look very
>> good. In the case of vertical shots, UD is interpreted as north-south
>> dimension from the station to allow tube-like modelling of verticals
>>
>> “
>>
>> I had thought the default value of vthreshold was 60 degrees, but it seems
>> it may be around 67.5 degrees.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[Therion] My cave is on the middle of the sea on google maps ...

[cawa sorix]

... and I'm not a cave diver.

Hi all,

I try to put my cave centerline on google maps, I generated the kml
file without issue.
But I don't know the espg code for google maps, I tried a lot of them,
but I'm always on the sea, I try to convert to an other system, always
on the sea...

For example my fix point is in Lyon (France) on google maps, but with
my kml file I'm not at the right location.

Do you know the ESPG code for google maps ? or how to put google maps
espg on therion ?

I put
cs espg:4326

fix P-045.775643   4.85397

Thank you
Laurent.

[Therion] My cave is on the middle of the sea on google maps ...

[cawa sorix]

Yes !!! It works the cave is at the right place.

many thanks  Ladislav :o)


@Andrew thanks, but I don't undersand :( I will see page 33 of the book.

C.S.

2012/11/2 Ladislav Blažek :
> AFAIK Google is using WGS84... so:
> cs lat-long
>
> Dne 2.11.2012 18:10 "cawa sorix"  napsal(a):
>>
>> ... and I'm not a cave diver.
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I try to put my cave centerline on google maps, I generated the kml
>> file without issue.
>> But I don't know the espg code for google maps, I tried a lot of them,
>> but I'm always on the sea, I try to convert to an other system, always
>> on the sea...
>>
>> For example my fix point is in Lyon (France) on google maps, but with
>> my kml file I'm not at the right location.
>>
>> Do you know the ESPG code for google maps ? or how to put google maps
>> espg on therion ?
>>
>> I put
>> cs espg:4326
>>
>> fix P-045.775643   4.85397
>>
>> Thank you
>> Laurent.
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[Therion] Underscore coming out as period in legend comment

[cawa sorix]

Hi,

I confirm, underscore comes (.) in map comment.
Same issue in the survey title, it looks like a bug or a special feature ;-)

Regards,
C.S.





2013/4/28 Andrew Atkinson 

> When using
>
> map-comment
>
> if you put an underscore in it comes out as as period (.)
>
> I am trying to include a web address that includes underscore.
>
> Metapost tells me that \textunderscore or \_
>
> but that only works in metapost /comment, which is a bit of a pain, and
> not in map-comment directly.
>
> Is there a way of using it directly in map-comment?
>
> thanks
>
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[Therion] 5.3.12

[cawa sorix]

Hello,

> I tested them here and they worked for some basic smoke tests. There
> seems to be an issue with loading lox files from the 'recently used'
> menu ('Error reading file'), but it works OK from the filer pointing at
> the actual file.

I build the new verision on debian stable it works fine, I can't
reproduce the 'recently used', it works for me.

>> Do we believe that
>> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718294
>> is fixed in 5.3.12?

I updated my Sid and I have this bug with 5.3.12 same as 5.3.11

To reproduce it you have to use an existing th2 file with a link to an
existing image, you can open it on stable debian version but on Sid,
the background image is not visible and when you try to add an image
it crash. :'(

C.S.

2013/12/25, Wookey :
> +++ Wookey [2013-12-24 04:21 +]:
>> OK. amd64 packages for wheezy (Debian stable) are at:
>> http://wookware.org/software/repo/
>>
>> Please test them.
>
> I tested them here and they worked for some basic smoke tests. There
> seems to be an issue with loading lox files from the 'recently used'
> menu ('Error reading file'), but it works OK from the filer pointing at
> the actual file.
>
>> Do we believe that
>> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718294
>> is fixed in 5.3.12?
>
> I've tried to reproduce this with therion 5.3.10, 5.3.11 and 5.3.12 and
> have failed. Can anyone else reproduce it, and/or confirm it fixed with
> 5.3.11 or 5.3.12?



>
>
> Just uploaded 5.3.12-1 to Debian unstable.
>
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[Therion] file-not-found when processing bitmap sketches

[cawa sorix]

Hi,

I confirm I test on Win7 (SP1 64x) with the example I have an issue,
it works fine on debian ;o)

On attachment the debug files.

C.S.



2013/1/3 Xavier Pennec :
> Stacho,
>
> I just tried with windows 7 and it works fine with 5.3.11.
> Bruce also confirmed that yesterday.
>
> Xavier
>
> Le 03/01/2013 11:10, Stacho Mudrak a écrit :
>
> On my Windows XP machine, your dataset works fine, even with 5.3.11.
>
> We have updated image magick executables in installation, so this may cause
> the problem. I may try on Windows 7 machine at home, whether this is not the
> problem.
>
> You may try one more thing, running therion in debug mode.
>
> Just add -d option to command line options text box in xtherion compiler, as
> shown on the attached image. This should help prevent path related problems.
> Or you may replace convert.exe and identify.exe at C:\Program
> Files\Therion\bin from version 5.3.10 into installed version 5.3.11.
>
> HTH, S.
>
>
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[Therion] file-not-found when processing bitmap sketches

[cawa sorix]

Ok, I understood the issue, it seems there is a link to a dll,
vcomp100.dll, it works if you have the dll on your path or if you
build therion before I think. I don't have it on my win7 by default
for sure.

Workaround : put the vcomp100dll on attachment in your path or in your
therion sources files.

Waiting Stacho's feedback :o)

C.S.

2013/1/3 Martin Sluka :
> It works now.
>
> The change: ImageMagick update. ImageMagick 6.8.0-10 2012-12-16 Q16 version 
> now.
>
> m.
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[Therion] xtherion

[cawa sorix]

Hi,

I confirm there is an issue with linux, I will  try to track the error.

Regards,
C.S.

2013/1/8 Stacho Mudrak :
> For me (on win32) it also works fine. Is it a problem on Linux?
>
> S.
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[Therion] xtherion

[cawa sorix]

Hello all,

I look for why there is different between linux and windows, it seems
on linux, tcltk add extension at the end of the name if there is not a
"." on the name.

A sample example bellow : open an openbox without xhterion element, it
works on test2 only

 package require Tk

  set types {
  {{Therion files}   {.th}}
  {{2D therion files}   {.th2}}
  {{All files}   {*}}
  }
#Test 1 => KO on linux
#set filename [tk_getOpenFile -filetypes $types -defaultextension {.th}]

#test 2 => OK on linux
set filename [tk_getOpenFile -filetypes $types]

puts "I found $filename"

The documentation is not really clear about defaultextension option on
tk_getOpenFile
I wrote the patch bellow :


--- therion/xtherion/te.tcl
+++ therion/xtherion/te.tcl
@@ -649,11 +649,12 @@
   global xth

   if {$dialogid} {
 set fname [tk_getOpenFile -filetypes $xth(app,te,filetypes) \
   -parent $xth(gui,main) \
-  -initialdir $xth(gui,initdir) -defaultextension $xth(app,te,fileext)]
+  -initialdir $xth(gui,initdir) ]
+   #-defaultextension $xth(app,te,fileext)]
   }

   if {[string length $fname] == 0} {
 return 0
   } else {

If you can test on linux :)

Regards,
C.S.


2013/1/8 Stacho Mudrak :
> For me (on win32) it also works fine. Is it a problem on Linux?
>
> S.
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[Therion] pdf Readers

[cawa sorix]

Hi,

It is really strange, I discover that evince is on 2.32 version on
windows, it is an older version, I had the same issue with area on the
2.30.3.2 version on debian stable.

With the 3.4.0-3.1 version it seems to be ok, on debian testing,
someone could share with us a pdf file with transparency color or a
pdf reference to test ?

C.S.

2013/1/15 Bruce :
> Thanks for the post below Martin.
>
>
>
> On ferreting around in my Windows based Adobe and Foxit applications, I find
> that they also have "Restore last view settings when reopening documents",
> which I am embarrassed not to have found before now.
>
>
>
> So old 'non-locking' Foxit Reader versions become (for me) the best
> compromise.
>
>
>
> § No crashes when Therion compiles
>
> § Opens pdf to previous page and zoom setting with a four key 'no
> brainer' sequence
>
> § Best overall rendering and opens all but files of 100's MB in
> size.
>
>
>
> If Evince could sort out the slow file loading and area rendering errors,
> then it would be the winner.
>
>
>
> I have updated
> http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/contrib:externalviewers#for_pdf_files
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] On 
> Behalf
> Of Martin Sluka
> Sent: Tuesday, 15 January 2013 12:05 a.m.
> To: List for Therion users
> Subject: Re: [Therion] preview below with many colors
>
>
>
> MacOSX:
>
>
>
> FastPreview [Space key] - automatically refresh, but has no zoom and other
> features. It is very useful to find file by preview.
>
>
>
> Preview (default MacOSX application) - automatically refresh, preserve zoom,
> but not exact position of view.
>
>
>
> Acrobat Pro (full) - lock files, there is feature to one-click refresh file
> if only one file is opened. You may switch on in preferences "Restore last
> view settings when reopening documents".
>
>
>
> Acrobat Reader - lock files, there is feature to one-click refresh file if
> only one file is opened.  You may switch on in preferences "Restore last
> view settings when reopening documents".
>
>
>
> There are dozens of commercial PDF editors in App Store, but I never tried
> them.
>
>
>
> Martin
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[Therion] Patch to disable threshold system

[cawa sorix]

Hi all,

I had an issue with the threshold system, I have only survey with LRUD
without any switch to NS system.

At the beginning, I used 89.9 deg in place of 90 deg as workaround
(tks Bruce), it works but it is not the best solution.

So, I wrote a patch to disable the threshold system, I use it for 2
months without any issue.
To disable threshold just apply the patch and use :
vthreshold -1 deg

I push the patch on the savannah page (It seems savannah therion
project is dead ??) :
http://savannah.nongnu.org/patch/?7908

Free fell to test it :o)
Rgds
C.S.

[Therion] Patch to disable threshold system

[cawa sorix]

>
> what about replacing the NS tests with <= instead of < and using vthreshold 
> 90?
I don't understand.

In the patch bellow I don't change the current vthreshold  system, I
just add a new input (-1) to desable it,

If you set  vthreshold -1 the  vthreshold = 90 deg, and you never
switch to NS, you stay on LRUD, that all. In fact it is the same to
set vthreshold 91 deg (I tested this solution but there were bad
border line effect)

It solve my issue, I explained may, 22nd ([Therion] Vertical issue) in the list.

C.S.

2013/1/28 Marco Corvi :
>
>
> what about replacing the NS tests with <= instead of < and using vthreshold 
> 90?
> it's what i used to do before the distox epoch.
>
> marco
>
> p.s. another option is to change the check on the vthreshold input value.
>

[Therion] Selecting different maps for output in one config file

[cawa sorix]

Hi,

I did some tests and you can place your select everywhere you want in your
config file (at the end for example) it works. I think Therion get all
select and after that run export, in sequential system.

For my understanding, you can generate one file by type (1 map 1 extended
and 1 elevation) but it seems not possible to have 2 different maps with
different data.

I don't know how use only one confg file, in this case I use 2 config files.

C.S.

2013/6/16 Footleg 

> I am trying to generate PDFs for different parts of my cave using named
> maps. But if I select one map, export it and then select another and export
> that all in one file then it appears all the selects are processed before
> any exports. So all my output PDFs are the same.
>
> e.g. The following config file:
>
> source swildonsmaster.th
>
> select EntranceSeriesPlan at SwildonsHole
> export map -projection plan -layout local -o swildons_ent_plan.pdf
>
> select testPlan at SwildonsHole
> export map -projection plan -layout local -o swildons_plan.pdf
>
>
> Does not give me a PDF of just the entrance series. I get two PDFs of the
> testPlan map.
>
> Is there any way to do this from a single config file?
>
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[Therion] Therion 5.3.11 fails compile in Loch

[cawa sorix]

Hi,

To build therion on debian, I install first packages below:
wx2.8-headers
libwxgtk2.8-dev
wx-common
mesa-common-dev
libglu1-mesa-dev
libfreetype6-dev
libvtk5-dev

Regards,
C.S.


2013/10/8 Bill Gee 

> Hello everyone -
>
> It has been several years since I went through the pain of compiling
> Therion.
> I remember that Loch has always given me trouble.  Today I downloaded
> 5.3.11
> and see that nothing has changed.  Loch is still failing.
>
> Here is the last bits of output I get when running make:
>
> ===
>
> make -C ./loch
> make[1]: Entering directory `/Installs/therion-5.3.11/loch'
> c++ -o loch -Wall lxR2P.o lxTR.o lxOGLFT.o lxSetup.o lxRender.o lxWX.o
> lxImgIO.o lxLRUD.o lxFile.o lxSTree.o lxData.o lxMath.o lxSView.o
> lxSScene.o
> lxGUI.o lxGLC.o lxOptDlg.o lxAboutDlg.o img.o -lwx_gtk2u_gl-2.8 -pthread
> -Wl,-
> z,relro   -lwx_gtk2u_richtext-2.8 -lwx_gtk2u_aui-2.8 -lwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.8 -
> lwx_gtk2u_qa-2.8 -lwx_gtk2u_html-2.8 -lwx_gtk2u_adv-2.8
> -lwx_gtk2u_core-2.8 -
> lwx_baseu_xml-2.8 -lwx_baseu_net-2.8 -lwx_baseu-2.8  -L/usr/lib/vtk-5.4 -
> lvtkHybrid -lvtkImaging -lvtkIO -lvtkGraphics -lvtkFiltering -lvtkCommon -
> lfreetype -lGLU -lpthread -lz  -s
> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvtkHybrid
> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvtkImaging
> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvtkIO
> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvtkGraphics
> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvtkFiltering
> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvtkCommon
> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
> make[1]: *** [loch] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/Installs/therion-5.3.11/loch'
> make: *** [loch/loch] Error 2
>
>
> 
>
> The system is 64-bit Fedora 17.
>
> I suspect the problem is in the command line option "-L/usr/lib/vtk-5.4".
>  The
> system by default does not have this directory.  I added a symbolic link to
> the location of vtk (/usr/include/vtk-5.4) but it made no difference.
>
> I have never used Loch.  Is there a command line option to tell make to
> skip
> Loch?
>
> Somehow I got past this with Therion 5.3.6, but I do not remember how.
>
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[Therion] 5.3.11

[cawa sorix]

Hi,

Seems to be good :o)
I upgrade my Jessie/Sid amd64, and test with survex 1.2.6
* The 'error 768' when processing stuff => Ok
* Failing to load files with no extension in the editor => OK
* Failing to remove thtmpdirs (not sure if that was OK on 5.3.10 or not?)
=> OK
Coud you share the patch ? I have the same issue with my build version...

And I have of course the background image bug...


C.S.


2013/9/5 Wookey 

> +++ Stacho Mudrak [2012-12-22 18:05 +0100]:
> >Hello everybody,
>
> After an impressive delay, therion 5.3.11 was just uploaded to Debian
> unstable and is already built for nearly all architectures:
>
> https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=therion
>
> There is now a hefty pile of debian patches applied, most of which
> should be upstreamed. I'll send a separate mail about that.
>
> Please can linux users test this. Things that _should_ be fixed:
> * The 'error 768' when processing stuff
> * Failing to load files with no extension in the editor
> * Failing to remove thtmpdirs (not sure if that was OK on 5.3.10 or not?).
>
> It is also compatible with survex 1.2.7 and the v8 .3d files it
> produces.
>
> I believe there is also a known problem with loading background
> images? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718294
> Is there a known fix for this. If so can someone point me at it and
> I'll include it.
>
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[Therion] Français

[cawa sorix]

Hello,

Voici laes fichiers
Here therion files...

C.S.


Le 25 août 2014 09:15, Contact Maison-hote.fr 
a écrit :

> Bonjour
>
> Merci de vos réponses, avec le caf albertville, nous explorons une cavité
> nommée "Les barbares" où la topo a été faite sous visual topo, ce n'est 
> pas
> une grosse cavitée mais j'aurai voulu la traduire en langage Therion.
>
> Cela fait plusieurs fois que j'essaye  et que je lit les tutoriaux en
> Français présents sur le wiki, mais malgres mes tentatives, je m'arrache
> les cheveux et abandonne.
>
> J'aurai aimé avoir une base de travail therion du fichier .tro que je met
> en PJ si quelqu'un veut bien m'aider.
> Je l'ai volontairement tronqué pour qu'il n'y ai que quelques lignes afin
> que je continue le travail si je recoit une réponse
>
> Je ferai un petit article sur cette conversion avec les fichiers sources
> tro et therion sur www.au-coeur-de-la-terre.org
>
> merci à vous
>
>
> ---
>
> Hello
>
> Thank you for your answers, with the CAF albertville, we explore a cavity
> called "The Barbarian" where the topo was made under visual Visual Topo,
> it's not a big cavity but I wish I could translate it into Therion
> language.
>
> For many times I try and I read the tutorials present on the French wiki,
> but despites my attempts, I tear the hair and gives up.
>
> I wish I had a database file .tro therion work I put in PJ if someone will
> help me.
> I deliberately truncated so that there was only a few lines that I still
> work if I receives a response
>
> I will do a little article on this conversion with tro source files and
> therion on www.au-coeur-de-la-terre.org
>
> thank you to you
>
>
> Le 24 août 2014 22:19, Markus Boldt  a écrit :
>
>> non, il n'y a qu'une seule liste en anglais - ou?
>>
>> No, there is « only » a list in english – or ?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Markus
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] *Im
>> Auftrag von *Yann Gardère
>> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 24. August 2014 19:48
>> *An:* therion at speleo.sk
>> *Betreff:* [Therion] Français
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bonjour,
>>
>>
>>
>> Y a t'il des speleo français sur la liste therion, j'aurai des questions
>> mais n'y connait rien en anglais;merci
>>
>>
>> Cordialement
>>
>> Gardère Yann
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>
> Cordialement
>
> Gardère Yann
>
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[Therion] version 5.3.15

[cawa sorix]

Hi,

I built the new version on my debian stable, it works, I will use it now :)

C.S.


2014-05-27 21:48 GMT+02:00 Christian Sandrini :

> Upgrade worked without any problems on my Mac.
>
>
> On 27 May 2014, at 21:16, Stacho Mudrak  wrote:
>
> There are just few bugfixes and minor improvements.
>
> Build process was also changed a little bit, I hope, it will not cause any
> problems.
>
> S.
>
>
> On 27 May 2014 20:07, Martin Sluka  wrote:
>
>> Current version is 5.3.15, released on May 27, 2014
>>
>> THNX, Stacho!
>>
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[cawa sorix]

Hi all,

I have to add patch on the current Therion version, I built a linux version
without any issue, but I don't know how to built a windows version.

Do you have any documentation on how to build windows version ?

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Hello,

I look for a software to use a distoX on linux, I found for windows, 
android, but nothing on linux.

Do you know if a linux soft exist ?

Thanks
C.S.
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