[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares

2015-10-22 Thread Martin Sluka 
Pavel is right, I apologize myself.

The problem is in ParaView, it is not able to work with coordinates correctly. 
We have to find a solution, so study, study, study!

m.

> 22. 10. 2015 v 15:09, Pavel Herich :
> 
> Well, finally i get the (part of) conclusion, why it doesn´t work properly:
> 1. there is no importance of line:wall orientation in th2 as Martin suggested
> 2. but it is because i have used FIXED POSITIONED 3d model. It has the result 
> in destroyed 3d in Meshlab and prevents proper computation of volume and 
> surface. CS IJTSK and UTM33 as well i have tried with no succes (even there 
> can be seen small difference). Since there is need to compute all my data 
> which consist 65 km of cave passages and thousands fixed stations, I do not 
> see any solution on the horizont, but there should be something to solve 
> it..?.
> Palo
> 
> Dňa 2015-10-22 11:58 Martin Sluka napísal(a):
>> The same cave but after new explorations:
>> Loch:
>> ParaView
>> MeshLab
>> Mesh Bounding Box Size 68.374199 153.150894 62.903999
>> Mesh Bounding Box Diag 179.128845
>> Mesh Volume is 43708.933594
>> Mesh Surface is 21756.070312
>> Thin shell barycenter -14.023410 -37.206078 -14.819854
>> Center of Mass is -15.087652 -42.666534 -16.276274
>> Inertia Tensor is :
>> | 20330152.00 -3620606.75 -1168910.625000 |
>> | -3620606.75 6608607.00 -4662930.00 |
>> | -1168910.625000 -4662930.00 21506810.00 |
>> Principal axes are :
>> | 0.231695 0.934567 0.270003 |
>> | 0.970067 -0.242716 0.007686 |
>> | -0.072717 -0.260140 0.962829 |
>> axis momenta are :
>> | 4363844.50 21226780.00 22854932.00 |
>

[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares

2015-10-22 Thread Pavel Herich 
Martin, probably You haven´t understood the point - sent models are 
based on proper drawing (point 1.); there are no "strange objects" in 
there, unless "outline in" walls.. (Anyway I did try to rotate the walls 
in th2 as well with no change, - but of course I respect this topic)
I noticed destroyed models in Meshlab (Paraview is maybe the source of 
troubles) just when fixed points were present in source.
Palo


Dňa 2015-10-22 15:18 Martin Sluka napísal(a):
> 1. That is the main condition for good 3D model. Therion is based on
> theory of oriented graphs and to ignore this fact is direct way to
> hell.
> 
> 2. The problem is not in MeshLab, the wire model was from ParaView and
> anybody may see that there are several very strange objects inside the
> model.
> 
> There is very easy way to solve it - check and correct all 65 km of
> your drawing. Not any joke.
> 
> BTW, my model has fixed point too.
> 
> m.s.
> 
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 03:09 PM, Pavel Herich  wrote:
> 
>> Well, finally i get the (part of) conclusion, why it doesn´t work
>> properly:
>> 1. there is no importance of line:wall orientation in th2 as Martin
>> suggested
>> 2. but it is because i have used FIXED POSITIONED 3d model. It has
>> the
>> result in destroyed 3d in Meshlab and prevents proper computation of
>> 
>> volume and surface. CS IJTSK and UTM33 as well i have tried with no
>> succes (even there can be seen small difference). Since there is
>> need to
>> compute all my data which consist 65 km of cave passages and
>> thousands
>> fixed stations, I do not see any solution on the horizont, but there
>> 
>> should be something to solve it..?.
>> Palo
>> 
>> Dňa 2015-10-22 11:58 Martin Sluka napísal(a):
>> 
>>> The same cave but after new explorations:
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Loch:
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> ParaView
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> MeshLab
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Mesh Bounding Box Size 68.374199 153.150894 62.903999
>> 
>>> Mesh Bounding Box Diag 179.128845
>> 
>>> Mesh Volume is 43708.933594
>> 
>>> Mesh Surface is 21756.070312
>> 
>>> Thin shell barycenter -14.023410 -37.206078 -14.819854
>> 
>>> Center of Mass is -15.087652 -42.666534 -16.276274
>> 
>>> Inertia Tensor is :
>> 
>>> | 20330152.00 -3620606.75 -1168910.625000 |
>> 
>>> | -3620606.75 6608607.00 -4662930.00 |
>> 
>>> | -1168910.625000 -4662930.00 21506810.00 |
>> 
>>> Principal axes are :
>> 
>>> | 0.231695 0.934567 0.270003 |
>> 
>>> | 0.970067 -0.242716 0.007686 |
>> 
>>> | -0.072717 -0.260140 0.962829 |
>> 
>>> axis momenta are :
>> 
>>> | 4363844.50 21226780.00 22854932.00 |

[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares

2015-10-22 Thread Pavel Herich 
Well, finally i get the (part of) conclusion, why it doesn´t work 
properly:
1. there is no importance of line:wall orientation in th2 as Martin 
suggested
2. but it is because i have used FIXED POSITIONED 3d model. It has the 
result in destroyed 3d in Meshlab and prevents proper computation of 
volume and surface. CS IJTSK and UTM33 as well i have tried with no 
succes (even there can be seen small difference). Since there is need to 
compute all my data which consist 65 km of cave passages and thousands 
fixed stations, I do not see any solution on the horizont, but there 
should be something to solve it..?.
Palo

Dňa 2015-10-22 11:58 Martin Sluka napísal(a):
> The same cave but after new explorations:
> 
> Loch:
> 
> ParaView
> 
> MeshLab
> 
> Mesh Bounding Box Size 68.374199 153.150894 62.903999
> Mesh Bounding Box Diag 179.128845
> Mesh Volume is 43708.933594
> Mesh Surface is 21756.070312
> Thin shell barycenter -14.023410 -37.206078 -14.819854
> Center of Mass is -15.087652 -42.666534 -16.276274
> Inertia Tensor is :
> | 20330152.00 -3620606.75 -1168910.625000 |
> | -3620606.75 6608607.00 -4662930.00 |
> | -1168910.625000 -4662930.00 21506810.00 |
> Principal axes are :
> | 0.231695 0.934567 0.270003 |
> | 0.970067 -0.242716 0.007686 |
> | -0.072717 -0.260140 0.962829 |
> axis momenta are :
> | 4363844.50 21226780.00 22854932.00 |
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[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares

2015-10-22 Thread Martin Sluka 
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[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares - results more complicated

2015-10-22 Thread Martin Sluka 
The same cave but after new explorations:

Loch:



ParaView




MeshLab

Mesh Bounding Box Size 68.374199 153.150894 62.903999
Mesh Bounding Box Diag 179.128845 
Mesh Volume is 43708.933594
Mesh Surface is 21756.070312
Thin shell barycenter -14.023410 -37.206078 -14.819854
Center of Mass is -15.087652 -42.666534 -16.276274
Inertia Tensor is :
| 20330152.00 -3620606.75 -1168910.625000 |
| -3620606.75 6608607.00 -4662930.00 |
| -1168910.625000 -4662930.00 21506810.00 |
Principal axes are :
| 0.231695 0.934567 0.270003 |
| 0.970067 -0.242716 0.007686 |
| -0.072717 -0.260140 0.962829 |
axis momenta are :
| 4363844.50 21226780.00 22854932.00 |

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[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares - results

2015-10-22 Thread Martin Sluka 
Mesh Bounding Box Size 24.910589 62.732632 24.883059
Mesh Bounding Box Diag 71.938080 
Mesh Volume is 2614.356201
Mesh Surface is 2189.087402
Thin shell barycenter -19.268660 -21.685312 -10.670184
Center of Mass is -12.661084 -3.146624 -6.577620
Inertia Tensor is :
| 797499.375000 -584521.375000 -130059.195312 |
| -584521.375000 295041.50 -126873.382812 |
| -130059.195312 -126873.382812 892615.562500 |
Principal axes are :
| -0.546083 -0.819744 -0.172664 |
| 0.025174 -0.222074 0.974705 |
| -0.837353 0.527923 0.141907 |
axis momenta are :
| -121068.546875 918162.937500 1188062.00 |

MeshLab

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[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares - correct model

2015-10-22 Thread Martin Sluka 
Correct model looks as this:

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[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares 2

2015-10-22 Thread Martin Sluka 
You are too fast, your Loch model is somewhere incorrect - check attached 
pictures. May you send the therion data too?

m.




> 21. 10. 2015 v 23:35, Footleg mailto:drfootleg at 
> gmail.com>>:
> 
> Looks like a great topic to add to the wiki Martin. I used the export to vtk 
> and import into Paraview before when creating a model for 3D printing. But 
> beyond that point I was not involved in processing the data further (the 
> person arranging the 3D printing handled it from here on). I am sure there is 
> more to learn which can then be added to the topic if you start a wiki page 
> for this.
> 
> Footleg
> 
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 6:00 PM Martin Sluka  > wrote:
> Therion and 3D
> 
> Therion is able to export 3D model in format .lox based on LRUD data, shape 
> of walls in plan and passage height informations recently. If the map is 
> drawn in correct way these models are quite good. To view the model one 
> should use internal viewer of Therion named Loch. The Loch has feature to 
> export model in the VTK format. And several softwares for manipulating with 
> 3D data for example CloudCompare or Paraview are able to import this VTK 
> format.
> 
> CloudCompare is able to export next formats:
> 
> BIN .bin CloudCompare own format
> ASCII .asc,.txt,.xyz,.neu,.pts ASCII point cloud file (X,Y,Z,etc.)
> LAS .las ASPRS lidar point clouds
> E57 .e57 ASTM E57 file format
> PCD .pcd Point Cloud Library format
> PLY .ply Stanford 3D geometry format (cloud or mesh)
> OBJ .obj Wavefront mesh
> VTK .vtk VTK file format (triangular mesh or cloud only)
> STL .stl STereoLithography file format (mesh)
> OFF .off Object File Format (mesh)
> FBX .fbx Autodesk (Filmbox) File Format
> DXF .dxf Autocad DXF format
> SHP .shp ESRI Shape file format
> RASTER .geotiff, etc. Common raster formats (GDAL)
> PV .pv Point cloud + scalar field
> PN .pn Point cloud + normals
> Sinusx .sx Sinusx curves
> 
> ParaView is able to work with next formats:
> 
> ParaView files
> VTK files
> Parallel (partitioned) VTK files
> VTK MultiBlock (MultiGroup, Hierarchical, Hierarchical Box) files
> Legacy VTK files
> Parallel (partitioned) legacy VTK files
> EnSight files
> EnSight Master Server files
> Exodus files
> BYU files
> XDMF files
> PLOT3D files
> SpyPlot CTH files
> HDF5 raw image data files
> DEM files
> VRML files
> PLY Polygonal files
> Protein Data Bank files
> XMol Molecule files
> Stereo Lithography files
> Gaussian Cube files
> Raw (binary) files
> AVS files
> Meta Image files
> Facet files
> PNG files
> SAF files
> LS-Dyna files
> 
> So you may for example calculate surface and volume of cave - thanks to 
> Filippo Gregori:
> 
> 1) Export the lox file to vtk format
> 2) With Paraview software I opened the file vtk
> 3) Save the file as .x3d
> 4) Open the file x3d in Meshlab software
> 6) Apply the filter: Filters -> Quality measure and computation -> compute 
> geometric Measures
> 7) Open log window: View -> Show Layer dialog
> 8) Read the lines Volume Mesh and Mesh Surface
> ___
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> Therion at speleo.sk 
> http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion 
> 
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[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares

2015-10-22 Thread Martin Sluka 
You are too fast, your Loch model is somewhere incorrect - check attached 
pictures. May you send the therion data too?

m.


> 21. 10. 2015 v 23:35, Footleg :
> 
> Looks like a great topic to add to the wiki Martin. I used the export to vtk 
> and import into Paraview before when creating a model for 3D printing. But 
> beyond that point I was not involved in processing the data further (the 
> person arranging the 3D printing handled it from here on). I am sure there is 
> more to learn which can then be added to the topic if you start a wiki page 
> for this.
> 
> Footleg
> 
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 6:00 PM Martin Sluka  > wrote:
> Therion and 3D
> 
> Therion is able to export 3D model in format .lox based on LRUD data, shape 
> of walls in plan and passage height informations recently. If the map is 
> drawn in correct way these models are quite good. To view the model one 
> should use internal viewer of Therion named Loch. The Loch has feature to 
> export model in the VTK format. And several softwares for manipulating with 
> 3D data for example CloudCompare or Paraview are able to import this VTK 
> format.
> 
> CloudCompare is able to export next formats:
> 
> BIN .bin CloudCompare own format
> ASCII .asc,.txt,.xyz,.neu,.pts ASCII point cloud file (X,Y,Z,etc.)
> LAS .las ASPRS lidar point clouds
> E57 .e57 ASTM E57 file format
> PCD .pcd Point Cloud Library format
> PLY .ply Stanford 3D geometry format (cloud or mesh)
> OBJ .obj Wavefront mesh
> VTK .vtk VTK file format (triangular mesh or cloud only)
> STL .stl STereoLithography file format (mesh)
> OFF .off Object File Format (mesh)
> FBX .fbx Autodesk (Filmbox) File Format
> DXF .dxf Autocad DXF format
> SHP .shp ESRI Shape file format
> RASTER .geotiff, etc. Common raster formats (GDAL)
> PV .pv Point cloud + scalar field
> PN .pn Point cloud + normals
> Sinusx .sx Sinusx curves
> 
> ParaView is able to work with next formats:
> 
> ParaView files
> VTK files
> Parallel (partitioned) VTK files
> VTK MultiBlock (MultiGroup, Hierarchical, Hierarchical Box) files
> Legacy VTK files
> Parallel (partitioned) legacy VTK files
> EnSight files
> EnSight Master Server files
> Exodus files
> BYU files
> XDMF files
> PLOT3D files
> SpyPlot CTH files
> HDF5 raw image data files
> DEM files
> VRML files
> PLY Polygonal files
> Protein Data Bank files
> XMol Molecule files
> Stereo Lithography files
> Gaussian Cube files
> Raw (binary) files
> AVS files
> Meta Image files
> Facet files
> PNG files
> SAF files
> LS-Dyna files
> 
> So you may for example calculate surface and volume of cave - thanks to 
> Filippo Gregori:
> 
> 1) Export the lox file to vtk format
> 2) With Paraview software I opened the file vtk
> 3) Save the file as .x3d
> 4) Open the file x3d in Meshlab software
> 6) Apply the filter: Filters -> Quality measure and computation -> compute 
> geometric Measures
> 7) Open log window: View -> Show Layer dialog
> 8) Read the lines Volume Mesh and Mesh Surface
> ___
> Therion mailing list
> Therion at speleo.sk 
> http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion 
> 
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[Therion] Export to 3D processing softwares

2015-10-22 Thread Pavel Herich 
I have tried this with two small and simple caves to see, how it will 
make the tranformations and computings (just to be able to controll it), 
but unfortunately it seems to be extremely inaccurate with surfaces or 
even volumes due to incorrect tranformation. Or am I the one mistaken?
Palo

Dňa 2015-10-21 23:35 Footleg napísal(a):
> Looks like a great topic to add to the wiki Martin. I used the export
> to vtk and import into Paraview before when creating a model for 3D
> printing. But beyond that point I was not involved in processing the
> data further (the person arranging the 3D printing handled it from
> here on). I am sure there is more to learn which can then be added to
> the topic if you start a wiki page for this.
> 
> Footleg
> 
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 6:00 PM Martin Sluka 
> wrote:
> 
>> Therion and 3D
>> 
>> Therion is able to export 3D model in format .lox based on LRUD
>> data, shape of walls in plan and passage height informations
>> recently. If the map is drawn in correct way these models are quite
>> good. To view the model one should use internal viewer of Therion
>> named Loch. The Loch has feature to export model in the VTK format.
>> And several softwares for manipulating with 3D data for example
>> CloudCompare or Paraview are able to import this VTK format.
>> 
>> CloudCompare is able to export next formats:
>> 
>> BIN .bin CloudCompare own format
>> ASCII .asc,.txt,.xyz,.neu,.pts ASCII point cloud file (X,Y,Z,etc.)
>> LAS .las ASPRS lidar point clouds
>> E57 .e57 ASTM E57 file format
>> PCD .pcd Point Cloud Library format
>> PLY .ply Stanford 3D geometry format (cloud or mesh)
>> OBJ .obj Wavefront mesh
>> VTK .vtk VTK file format (triangular mesh or cloud only)
>> STL .stl STereoLithography file format (mesh)
>> OFF .off Object File Format (mesh)
>> FBX .fbx Autodesk (Filmbox) File Format
>> DXF .dxf Autocad DXF format
>> SHP .shp ESRI Shape file format
>> RASTER .geotiff, etc. Common raster formats (GDAL)
>> PV .pv Point cloud + scalar field
>> PN .pn Point cloud + normals
>> Sinusx .sx Sinusx curves
>> 
>> ParaView is able to work with next formats:
>> 
>> ParaView files
>> VTK files
>> Parallel (partitioned) VTK files
>> VTK MultiBlock (MultiGroup, Hierarchical, Hierarchical Box) files
>> Legacy VTK files
>> Parallel (partitioned) legacy VTK files
>> EnSight files
>> EnSight Master Server files
>> Exodus files
>> BYU files
>> XDMF files
>> PLOT3D files
>> SpyPlot CTH files
>> HDF5 raw image data files
>> DEM files
>> VRML files
>> PLY Polygonal files
>> Protein Data Bank files
>> XMol Molecule files
>> Stereo Lithography files
>> Gaussian Cube files
>> Raw (binary) files
>> AVS files
>> Meta Image files
>> Facet files
>> PNG files
>> SAF files
>> LS-Dyna files
>> 
>> So you may for example calculate surface and volume of cave -
>> thanks to Filippo Gregori:
>> 
>> 1) Export the lox file to vtk format
>> 2) With Paraview software I opened the file vtk
>> 3) Save the file as .x3d
>> 4) Open the file x3d in Meshlab software
>> 6) Apply the filter: Filters -> Quality measure and computation ->
>> compute geometric Measures
>> 7) Open log window: View -> Show Layer dialog
>> 8) Read the lines Volume Mesh and Mesh Surface
>> ___
>> Therion mailing list
>> Therion at speleo.sk
>> http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion [1]
> 
> 
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2015-10-21 Thread Footleg 
Looks like a great topic to add to the wiki Martin. I used the export to
vtk and import into Paraview before when creating a model for 3D printing.
But beyond that point I was not involved in processing the data further
(the person arranging the 3D printing handled it from here on). I am sure
there is more to learn which can then be added to the topic if you start a
wiki page for this.

Footleg

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 6:00 PM Martin Sluka  wrote:

> Therion and 3D
>
> Therion is able to export 3D model in format .lox based on LRUD data,
> shape of walls in plan and passage height informations recently. If the map
> is drawn in correct way these models are quite good. To view the model one
> should use internal viewer of Therion named Loch. The Loch has feature to
> export model in the VTK format. And several softwares for manipulating with
> 3D data for example CloudCompare or Paraview are able to import this VTK
> format.
>
> CloudCompare is able to export next formats:
>
> BIN .bin CloudCompare own format
> ASCII .asc,.txt,.xyz,.neu,.pts ASCII point cloud file (X,Y,Z,etc.)
> LAS .las ASPRS lidar point clouds
> E57 .e57 ASTM E57 file format
> PCD .pcd Point Cloud Library format
> PLY .ply Stanford 3D geometry format (cloud or mesh)
> OBJ .obj Wavefront mesh
> VTK .vtk VTK file format (triangular mesh or cloud only)
> STL .stl STereoLithography file format (mesh)
> OFF .off Object File Format (mesh)
> FBX .fbx Autodesk (Filmbox) File Format
> DXF .dxf Autocad DXF format
> SHP .shp ESRI Shape file format
> RASTER .geotiff, etc. Common raster formats (GDAL)
> PV .pv Point cloud + scalar field
> PN .pn Point cloud + normals
> Sinusx .sx Sinusx curves
>
> ParaView is able to work with next formats:
>
> ParaView files
> VTK files
> Parallel (partitioned) VTK files
> VTK MultiBlock (MultiGroup, Hierarchical, Hierarchical Box) files
> Legacy VTK files
> Parallel (partitioned) legacy VTK files
> EnSight files
> EnSight Master Server files
> Exodus files
> BYU files
> XDMF files
> PLOT3D files
> SpyPlot CTH files
> HDF5 raw image data files
> DEM files
> VRML files
> PLY Polygonal files
> Protein Data Bank files
> XMol Molecule files
> Stereo Lithography files
> Gaussian Cube files
> Raw (binary) files
> AVS files
> Meta Image files
> Facet files
> PNG files
> SAF files
> LS-Dyna files
>
> So you may for example calculate surface and volume of cave - thanks to
> Filippo Gregori:
>
> 1) Export the lox file to vtk format
> 2) With Paraview software I opened the file vtk
> 3) Save the file as .x3d
> 4) Open the file x3d in Meshlab software
> 6) Apply the filter: Filters -> Quality measure and computation -> compute
> geometric Measures
> 7) Open log window: View -> Show Layer dialog
> 8) Read the lines Volume Mesh and Mesh Surface
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