[Therion] Pocket Topo Shot Direction question

2015-01-26 Thread Footleg 
Thank you Beat. That explains why I have never seen it in my data. I have
not yet flipped an extended elevation in PocketTopo. Now I can update my
cave converter to handle text export files with these characters knowing
what they are for.

I had an enquiry as to what this converter tool was I an talking about.
Details can be found here for those who are interested:
http://wscc.darkgem.com/caveconverter/

Footleg

On 26 January 2015 at 15:19, Beat Heeb  wrote:

> The ‘<’ character after the trip number means the extended elevation runs
> to the left.
>
> Without the character it runs to the right.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Beat
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] *On
> Behalf Of *Footleg
> *Sent:* Monday, 26 January, 2015 00:05
> *To:* List for Therion users
> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Pocket Topo Shot Direction question
>
>
>
> Thanks. So I think I may have suspected that this option was the cause of
> the problem I was investigating. But it sounds like it is not related. What
> I am actually trying to work out is what is causing the text export file
> from a PocketTopo survey someone sent me to include a < character between
> the trip number [1] and the comment in double quotes. I've not seen this in
> any text files exported before, and I need to know what it indicates so I
> can update the parser in my cave converter program.
>
> Footleg
>
> On 25 Jan 2015 22:05, "Beat Heeb"  wrote:
>
> The direction used for the extended elevation is set by the ‘Flip’ command
> in the drawing context menu.
>
> This completely independent of the shot direction set by the ‘Shot ->’
> command.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Beat
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] *On
> Behalf Of *Andrew Atkinson
> *Sent:* Sunday, 25 January, 2015 22:49
> *To:* Therion
> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Pocket Topo Shot Direction question
>
>
>
> I believe it is the direction used on the extended elevation (from memory)
>
> Andrew
>
> On 25 Jan 2015 21:41, "Footleg"  wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me what the purpose/use is of the menu item in PocketTopo
> on the data screen which says either 'Shot ->' or 'Shot <-' ?
>
> I see it set to one or the other on my shots depending whether they were
> forward or back shots. But then the shots direction is still indicated
> primarily by the station names in the From and To columns. So I am not
> clear what this menu item does or when I might want or need to use it?
>
> Footleg
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[Therion] Pocket Topo Shot Direction question

2015-01-26 Thread Beat Heeb 
The ‘<’ character after the trip number means the extended elevation runs 
to the left.

Without the character it runs to the right.



Regards



Beat





From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf 
Of Footleg
Sent: Monday, 26 January, 2015 00:05
To: List for Therion users
Subject: Re: [Therion] Pocket Topo Shot Direction question



Thanks. So I think I may have suspected that this option was the cause of the 
problem I was investigating. But it sounds like it is not related. What I am 
actually trying to work out is what is causing the text export file from a 
PocketTopo survey someone sent me to include a < character between the trip 
number [1] and the comment in double quotes. I've not seen this in any text 
files exported before, and I need to know what it indicates so I can update the 
parser in my cave converter program. 

Footleg

On 25 Jan 2015 22:05, "Beat Heeb"  wrote:

The direction used for the extended elevation is set by the ‘Flip’ command 
in the drawing context menu.

This completely independent of the shot direction set by the ‘Shot ->’ 
command.



Regards



Beat





From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf 
Of Andrew Atkinson
Sent: Sunday, 25 January, 2015 22:49
To: Therion
Subject: Re: [Therion] Pocket Topo Shot Direction question



I believe it is the direction used on the extended elevation (from memory)

Andrew

On 25 Jan 2015 21:41, "Footleg"  wrote:

Can anyone tell me what the purpose/use is of the menu item in PocketTopo on 
the data screen which says either 'Shot ->' or 'Shot <-' ?

I see it set to one or the other on my shots depending whether they were 
forward or back shots. But then the shots direction is still indicated 
primarily by the station names in the From and To columns. So I am not clear 
what this menu item does or when I might want or need to use it?

Footleg


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[Therion] Pocket Topo Shot Direction question

2015-01-26 Thread Martin Sluka 
Typical situation one may use this feature is when a station is inaccessible. 
So you measure from station A to station B in normal direction. And from 
station C to B next shot. You may manually change the order of stations from 
B->C to C->B. But you should do it three times. Much easier is to use reverse 
shot function. 

M. 

Odesláno z iPhonu

26. 1. 2015 v 0:05, Footleg :

> Thanks. So I think I may have suspected that this option was the cause of the 
> problem I was investigating. But it sounds like it is not related. What I am 
> actually trying to work out is what is causing the text export file from a 
> PocketTopo survey someone sent me to include a < character between the trip 
> number [1] and the comment in double quotes. I've not seen this in any text 
> files exported before, and I need to know what it indicates so I can update 
> the parser in my cave converter program.
> 
> Footleg
> 
> On 25 Jan 2015 22:05, "Beat Heeb"  wrote:
>> The direction used for the extended elevation is set by the ‘Flip’ 
>> command in the drawing context menu.
>> 
>> This completely independent of the shot direction set by the ‘Shot ->’ 
>> command.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Beat
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] On 
>> Behalf Of Andrew Atkinson
>> Sent: Sunday, 25 January, 2015 22:49
>> To: Therion
>> Subject: Re: [Therion] Pocket Topo Shot Direction question
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I believe it is the direction used on the extended elevation (from memory)
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>> On 25 Jan 2015 21:41, "Footleg"  wrote:
>> 
>> Can anyone tell me what the purpose/use is of the menu item in PocketTopo on 
>> the data screen which says either 'Shot ->' or 'Shot <-' ?
>> 
>> I see it set to one or the other on my shots depending whether they were 
>> forward or back shots. But then the shots direction is still indicated 
>> primarily by the station names in the From and To columns. So I am not clear 
>> what this menu item does or when I might want or need to use it?
>> 
>> Footleg
>> 
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[Therion] Pocket Topo Shot Direction question

2015-01-25 Thread Beat Heeb 
The direction used for the extended elevation is set by the ‘Flip’ command 
in the drawing context menu.

This completely independent of the shot direction set by the ‘Shot ->’ 
command.



Regards



Beat





From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf 
Of Andrew Atkinson
Sent: Sunday, 25 January, 2015 22:49
To: Therion
Subject: Re: [Therion] Pocket Topo Shot Direction question



I believe it is the direction used on the extended elevation (from memory)

Andrew

On 25 Jan 2015 21:41, "Footleg"  wrote:

Can anyone tell me what the purpose/use is of the menu item in PocketTopo on 
the data screen which says either 'Shot ->' or 'Shot <-' ?

I see it set to one or the other on my shots depending whether they were 
forward or back shots. But then the shots direction is still indicated 
primarily by the station names in the From and To columns. So I am not clear 
what this menu item does or when I might want or need to use it?

Footleg


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[Therion] Pocket Topo Shot Direction question

2015-01-25 Thread Footleg 
Thanks. So I think I may have suspected that this option was the cause of
the problem I was investigating. But it sounds like it is not related. What
I am actually trying to work out is what is causing the text export file
from a PocketTopo survey someone sent me to include a < character between
the trip number [1] and the comment in double quotes. I've not seen this in
any text files exported before, and I need to know what it indicates so I
can update the parser in my cave converter program.

Footleg
On 25 Jan 2015 22:05, "Beat Heeb"  wrote:

> The direction used for the extended elevation is set by the ‘Flip’ command
> in the drawing context menu.
>
> This completely independent of the shot direction set by the ‘Shot ->’
> command.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Beat
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] *On
> Behalf Of *Andrew Atkinson
> *Sent:* Sunday, 25 January, 2015 22:49
> *To:* Therion
> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Pocket Topo Shot Direction question
>
>
>
> I believe it is the direction used on the extended elevation (from memory)
>
> Andrew
>
> On 25 Jan 2015 21:41, "Footleg"  wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me what the purpose/use is of the menu item in PocketTopo
> on the data screen which says either 'Shot ->' or 'Shot <-' ?
>
> I see it set to one or the other on my shots depending whether they were
> forward or back shots. But then the shots direction is still indicated
> primarily by the station names in the From and To columns. So I am not
> clear what this menu item does or when I might want or need to use it?
>
> Footleg
>
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[Therion] Pocket Topo Shot Direction question

2015-01-25 Thread Beat Heeb 
Hi Footleg



The command has two meanings depending on what kind of data it is used:

If used on a simple measurement from the current station (7.7 -> , if the 
current station is 7.7),

it turns the measurement into a survey shot using the next station name (7.7 -> 
7.8).

If used on a survey shot (7.7 -> 7.8) it swaps the station names (to 7.8 -> 
7.7). This reverses the

direction of the shot.

The direction shown in the menu (Shot -> or Shot <-) indicates the new 
direction used. It depends

on the ‘Reverse’ option when used on a simple measurement and on the 
current direction

when used on a shot.



So it is used 1) to turn a measurement into a shot if you do not want to make 
three measurements

for some reason, and 2) if you occasionally measure a shot in the non-standard 
direction and quickly

want to fix it.



Regards



Beat





From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf 
Of Footleg
Sent: Sunday, 25 January, 2015 22:16
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Subject: [Therion] Pocket Topo Shot Direction question



Can anyone tell me what the purpose/use is of the menu item in PocketTopo on 
the data screen which says either 'Shot ->' or 'Shot <-' ?

I see it set to one or the other on my shots depending whether they were 
forward or back shots. But then the shots direction is still indicated 
primarily by the station names in the From and To columns. So I am not clear 
what this menu item does or when I might want or need to use it?

Footleg

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[Therion] Pocket Topo Shot Direction question

2015-01-25 Thread Andrew Atkinson 
Sorry mis-read original email, I was thinking of the < or > in the export

Andrew
On 25 Jan 2015 22:05, "Beat Heeb"  wrote:

> The direction used for the extended elevation is set by the ‘Flip’ command
> in the drawing context menu.
>
> This completely independent of the shot direction set by the ‘Shot ->’
> command.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Beat
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] *On
> Behalf Of *Andrew Atkinson
> *Sent:* Sunday, 25 January, 2015 22:49
> *To:* Therion
> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Pocket Topo Shot Direction question
>
>
>
> I believe it is the direction used on the extended elevation (from memory)
>
> Andrew
>
> On 25 Jan 2015 21:41, "Footleg"  wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me what the purpose/use is of the menu item in PocketTopo
> on the data screen which says either 'Shot ->' or 'Shot <-' ?
>
> I see it set to one or the other on my shots depending whether they were
> forward or back shots. But then the shots direction is still indicated
> primarily by the station names in the From and To columns. So I am not
> clear what this menu item does or when I might want or need to use it?
>
> Footleg
>
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2015-01-25 Thread Andrew Atkinson 
I believe it is the direction used on the extended elevation (from memory)

Andrew
On 25 Jan 2015 21:41, "Footleg"  wrote:

> Can anyone tell me what the purpose/use is of the menu item in PocketTopo
> on the data screen which says either 'Shot ->' or 'Shot <-' ?
>
> I see it set to one or the other on my shots depending whether they were
> forward or back shots. But then the shots direction is still indicated
> primarily by the station names in the From and To columns. So I am not
> clear what this menu item does or when I might want or need to use it?
>
> Footleg
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2015-01-25 Thread Footleg 
Can anyone tell me what the purpose/use is of the menu item in PocketTopo
on the data screen which says either 'Shot ->' or 'Shot <-' ?

I see it set to one or the other on my shots depending whether they were
forward or back shots. But then the shots direction is still indicated
primarily by the station names in the From and To columns. So I am not
clear what this menu item does or when I might want or need to use it?

Footleg
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