Re: [Therion] Stations coordinates

[Benedikt Hallinger via Therion]

Hello, and merry christmas!


I currently try to correct some old surveys without altering the original 
data.
The manual proposes the "revise" command to accomplish this, at least i 
interpreted it like this.


The problem with the old data is, that the declination setting is wrong but 
i dont have write acces (archive).
I now want to add a revise section so it remains obvious what the original 
data looked like.
This does not work however, it seems that it is just ignored and produces 
the same aven-3d model...

What am i doing wrong?


Here comes some test data.
My ultimate goal would be to have the revise section in a separate th-file 
where also all my maps/scras are referenced.



encoding UTF-8
survey test -title testsurvey

  centreline -id zug_1

date 2007.11.02

declination 0 degrees   # bad declination here on purpose, should be 
"revise'd" later


units length meters
units bearing gradient degrees
datanormal  fromto  length  bearing gradientleft 
  right   up  down

flags duplicate
 1.AP1 1.A   23.25 292  -7 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
   1.A 1.B 5.2 111  11 0.7 0.3   0   1
flags not duplicate
   1.B 1.111.8 185  22   3   0   5   1
   1.1 1.27.85 160 -30   2   2   5 1.5
   1.2 1.316.1 160  90 0.8   0   5   0
   1.3 1.419.8 233  81   0   0   0   0
   1.4 1.5   7  40  10   0   0   0   0
   1.5 1.621.8 140  70   0   1 0.5 0.5
  endcentreline


  # correct declination setting
  # NOTE: This seems to not be functional neither of both work as 
expected

  revise zug_1
#declination 90 degrees   # try one: adjust declination
#calibrate compass 90 # try two: adjust compass calibration
  endrevise


endsurvey test
---


Thank you in advance!
Greetings, Beni

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Re: [Therion] Stations coordinates

[Footleg via Therion]

For converting Compass survey data files into metric, you can use my Cave
Converter program.

http://wscc.darkgem.com/caveconverter/

You can read Compass data into the program, and export it as Survex format.
>From this it is straight forward to copy and paste the data sections into
Therion files. I am working on adding direct Therion export (and import)
next.

Footleg

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:50 PM Martin Sluka via Therion 
wrote:

> Anyway, you may use Survex and .3d file exported from Therion:
>
> 3dtopos - name of utulity
>
> 3dtopos — produce a .pos file from a .3d file
>
> Synopsis
>
> 3dtopos [options] {.3d file} [.pos file]
>
> Description
>
> 3dtopos takes a .3d file and produces a .pos file which contains a list of
> all the stations with coordinates (ordered x,y,z [East, North, Up]) and
> complete names.
>
> The stations are sorted such that numbers occur in the correct order (so
> “2” before “10”). 3dtopos even sorts numbers with a prefix and/or suffix,
> so you’d get:
>
>  040.sv8
>  040.sv8a
>  040.sv8b
>  040.sv8c
>  040.sv9
>  040.sv10
>  040.sv11
>  40_entrance_tag
>  40b_entrance_tag
>
> Survex 1.2.30 Manual
>
> 11
>
> You can also export .pos files from aven in versions 1.2.19 and later.
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Re: [Therion] Stations coordinates

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

Anyway, you may use Survex and .3d file exported from Therion:

3dtopos - name of utulity

3dtopos — produce a .pos file from a .3d file

Synopsis

3dtopos [options] {.3d file} [.pos file]

Description

3dtopos takes a .3d file and produces a .pos file which contains a list of all 
the stations with coordinates (ordered x,y,z [East, North, Up]) and complete 
names.

The stations are sorted such that numbers occur in the correct order (so “2” 
before “10”). 3dtopos even sorts numbers with a prefix and/or suffix, so you’d 
get:

 040.sv8
 040.sv8a
 040.sv8b
 040.sv8c
 040.sv9
 040.sv10
 040.sv11
 40_entrance_tag
 40b_entrance_tag

Survex 1.2.30 Manual

11

You can also export .pos files from aven in versions 1.2.19 and later.
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Re: [Therion] Stations coordinates

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi Pavel,

I did work it out by extracting the coordinates from the .plt file, converting 
them from feet to meters and then computing the length, azimuth and distance 
between the 2 stations of the surveys that I needed to link.

Thanks,
Phil

> On 21 Dec 2016, at 11:35 AM, Pavel Herich via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I don´t know, if I have understood well what are you looking for, but for me 
> the easiest way how to get xyz coordinates of some points in relative 
> polygonal net (compass, clino, tape) is to set them as entrance in centerline 
> (could be done very fast with all centerline in Excel):
> station 2 "2" entrance
> station 3 "3" entrance
> ...
> and thconfig has this part outside of layout:
> export cave-list -location on -o coordinates.html
> 
> You get html list of station names and their coordinates.
> Pavel
> 
> 
> Dňa 2016-12-20 23:09 андрей коженков via Therion napísal(a):
>> Hi Phil,
>> cSurvey can also help with remastering of paper maps.
>> Unfortunalty all documentation is in Italian but software is
>> translated to English.
>> http://csurvey.it/site/index.php/en/download
>> Andrey
>>> Вторник, 20 декабря 2016, 20:48 UTC от Philippe
>>> Vernant via Therion :
>>> Several surveys and visual topo files, but not always the same
>>> stations …
>>> Phil
 On 20 Dec 2016, at 19:47 PM, Martin Sluka via Therion
>>>  wrote:
 What is source of your old data - maps?
 m.s.
> 20. 12. 2016 v 17:47, Philippe Vernant via Therion
>>> :
> OK my mistake, I could export the compass format. But if someone
>>> has a clever idea as how to do it easily without computing the
>>> difference between the two stations, I’d be happy to have the
>>> solution.
> Thanks,
> Phil
>> On 20 Dec 2016, at 17:43 PM, Philippe Vernant
>>>  wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>> I’m trying to merge some old survey data with new ones and
>>> I’d like to know the coordinates of some stations. this way I
>>> could compute the length, the azimuth and the dip angle between old
>>> and new stations to merge le file together. I’m trying to export
>>> the data in compass format, I know that I could get the coordinates
>>> in this file, but I have a message :
>> therion: error -- thconfig [25] -- unknown format -- "compas"
>> Any idea on how I could do that ?
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
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Re: [Therion] Stations coordinates

[Pavel Herich via Therion]

Hi,
I don´t know, if I have understood well what are you looking for, but 
for me the easiest way how to get xyz coordinates of some points in 
relative polygonal net (compass, clino, tape) is to set them as entrance 
in centerline (could be done very fast with all centerline in Excel):

station 2 "2" entrance
station 3 "3" entrance
...
and thconfig has this part outside of layout:
export cave-list -location on -o coordinates.html

You get html list of station names and their coordinates.
Pavel


Dňa 2016-12-20 23:09 андрей коженков via Therion napísal(a):

Hi Phil,

cSurvey can also help with remastering of paper maps.

Unfortunalty all documentation is in Italian but software is
translated to English.
http://csurvey.it/site/index.php/en/download

Andrey


Вторник, 20 декабря 2016, 20:48 UTC от Philippe
Vernant via Therion :

Several surveys and visual topo files, but not always the same
stations …

Phil


On 20 Dec 2016, at 19:47 PM, Martin Sluka via Therion

 wrote:


What is source of your old data - maps?

m.s.



20. 12. 2016 v 17:47, Philippe Vernant via Therion

:


OK my mistake, I could export the compass format. But if someone

has a clever idea as how to do it easily without computing the
difference between the two stations, I’d be happy to have the
solution.


Thanks,
Phil




On 20 Dec 2016, at 17:43 PM, Philippe Vernant

 wrote:


Hi guys,

I’m trying to merge some old survey data with new ones and

I’d like to know the coordinates of some stations. this way I
could compute the length, the azimuth and the dip angle between old
and new stations to merge le file together. I’m trying to export
the data in compass format, I know that I could get the coordinates
in this file, but I have a message :


therion: error -- thconfig [25] -- unknown format -- "compas"

Any idea on how I could do that ?

Thanks,
Phil



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Re: [Therion] Stations coordinates

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi Andrey,

Thank you, I did not knew that software.

Phil

> On 20 Dec 2016, at 23:09 PM, андрей коженков via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Phil,
> 
> cSurvey can also help with remastering of paper maps.
> 
> 
> 
> Unfortunalty all documentation is in Italian but software is translated to 
> English.
> http://csurvey.it/site/index.php/en/download 
>  
> 
> Andrey
> 
> 
> Вторник, 20 декабря 2016, 20:48 UTC от Philippe Vernant via Therion 
> :
> 
> Several surveys and visual topo files, but not always the same stations …
> 
> Phil
> 
> > On 20 Dec 2016, at 19:47 PM, Martin Sluka via Therion  > > wrote:
> > 
> > What is source of your old data - maps?
> > 
> > m.s.
> > 
> > 
> >> 20. 12. 2016 v 17:47, Philippe Vernant via Therion  >> >:
> >> 
> >> OK my mistake, I could export the compass format. But if someone has a 
> >> clever idea as how to do it easily without computing the difference 
> >> between the two stations, I’d be happy to have the solution.
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> Phil
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 20 Dec 2016, at 17:43 PM, Philippe Vernant  >>> > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi guys,
> >>> 
> >>> I’m trying to merge some old survey data with new ones and I’d like to 
> >>> know the coordinates of some stations. this way I could compute the 
> >>> length, the azimuth and the dip angle between old and new stations to 
> >>> merge le file together. I’m trying to export the data in compass format, 
> >>> I know that I could get the coordinates in this file, but I have a 
> >>> message :
> >>> 
> >>> therion: error -- thconfig [25] -- unknown format -- "compas"
> >>> 
> >>> Any idea on how I could do that ?
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Phil
> >>> 
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Re: [Therion] Stations coordinates

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Thanks Martin,

Will do.

Phil

> On 20 Dec 2016, at 23:00 PM, Martin Sluka via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 20. 12. 2016 v 21:48, Philippe Vernant via Therion :
>> 
>> Several surveys and visual topo files, but not always the same stations …
> 
> Check the page of Compass software - there is map to data converter. Maybe it 
> will help.
> 
> http://www.fountainware.com/compass/downloads/download.htm
> 
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Re: [Therion] Stations coordinates

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> 20. 12. 2016 v 21:48, Philippe Vernant via Therion :
> 
> Several surveys and visual topo files, but not always the same stations …

Check the page of Compass software - there is map to data converter. Maybe it 
will help.

http://www.fountainware.com/compass/downloads/download.htm

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Re: [Therion] Stations coordinates

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Several surveys and visual topo files, but not always the same stations …

Phil

> On 20 Dec 2016, at 19:47 PM, Martin Sluka via Therion  
> wrote:
> 
> What is source of your old data - maps?
> 
> m.s.
> 
> 
>> 20. 12. 2016 v 17:47, Philippe Vernant via Therion :
>> 
>> OK my mistake, I could export the compass format. But if someone has a 
>> clever idea as how to do it easily without computing the difference between 
>> the two stations, I’d be happy to have the solution.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 20 Dec 2016, at 17:43 PM, Philippe Vernant  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>> 
>>> I’m trying to merge some old survey data with new ones and I’d like to know 
>>> the coordinates of some stations. this way I could compute the length, the 
>>> azimuth and the dip angle between old and new stations to merge le file 
>>> together. I’m trying to export the data in compass format, I know that I 
>>> could get the coordinates in this file, but I have a message :
>>> 
>>> therion: error -- thconfig [25] -- unknown format -- "compas"
>>> 
>>> Any idea on how I could do that ?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Phil
>>> 
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Re: [Therion] Stations coordinates

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

What is source of your old data - maps?

m.s.


> 20. 12. 2016 v 17:47, Philippe Vernant via Therion :
> 
> OK my mistake, I could export the compass format. But if someone has a clever 
> idea as how to do it easily without computing the difference between the two 
> stations, I’d be happy to have the solution.
> 
> Thanks,
> Phil
> 
> 
> 
>> On 20 Dec 2016, at 17:43 PM, Philippe Vernant  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> I’m trying to merge some old survey data with new ones and I’d like to know 
>> the coordinates of some stations. this way I could compute the length, the 
>> azimuth and the dip angle between old and new stations to merge le file 
>> together. I’m trying to export the data in compass format, I know that I 
>> could get the coordinates in this file, but I have a message :
>> 
>> therion: error -- thconfig [25] -- unknown format -- "compas"
>> 
>> Any idea on how I could do that ?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>> 
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Re: [Therion] Stations coordinates

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

OK my mistake, I could export the compass format. But if someone has a clever 
idea as how to do it easily without computing the difference between the two 
stations, I’d be happy to have the solution.

Thanks,
Phil



> On 20 Dec 2016, at 17:43 PM, Philippe Vernant  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> I’m trying to merge some old survey data with new ones and I’d like to know 
> the coordinates of some stations. this way I could compute the length, the 
> azimuth and the dip angle between old and new stations to merge le file 
> together. I’m trying to export the data in compass format, I know that I 
> could get the coordinates in this file, but I have a message :
> 
> therion: error -- thconfig [25] -- unknown format -- "compas"
> 
> Any idea on how I could do that ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Phil
> 

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[Therion] Stations coordinates

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi guys,

I’m trying to merge some old survey data with new ones and I’d like to know the 
coordinates of some stations. this way I could compute the length, the azimuth 
and the dip angle between old and new stations to merge le file together. I’m 
trying to export the data in compass format, I know that I could get the 
coordinates in this file, but I have a message :

therion: error -- thconfig [25] -- unknown format -- "compas"

Any idea on how I could do that ?

Thanks,
Phil

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