Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas :)
On 6 Feb 2007, at 13:39, Harold Aling wrote: Mike Massonnet wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 12:29:21AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure I know it, but I think the vista bar would be much more easy-to-use. The what?! O_o Hey, be polite will you? I'm pretty sure that he's trying to say that a hybrid location selector would be a really cool feature. I fully agree... Maybe something like this: [home ()] [harold ()] where () is a selectbox that lists all directories in the same location where the current user has access to... I don't really understand though. If I'm in a folder, /home/erlend/Images/Friends/2006 you're saying I should be able to click the down-arrow next to 'images' on the pathbar and select (for example) Music... so thunar would try and go to /home/erlend/Music/Friends/2006 .. which doesn't exist?! ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas :)
Erlend Davidson wrote: On 6 Feb 2007, at 13:39, Harold Aling wrote: Mike Massonnet wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 12:29:21AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure I know it, but I think the vista bar would be much more easy-to-use. The what?! O_o Hey, be polite will you? I'm pretty sure that he's trying to say that a hybrid location selector would be a really cool feature. I fully agree... Maybe something like this: [home ()] [harold ()] where () is a selectbox that lists all directories in the same location where the current user has access to... I don't really understand though. If I'm in a folder, /home/erlend/Images/Friends/2006 you're saying I should be able to click the down-arrow next to 'images' on the pathbar and select (for example) Music... so thunar would try and go to /home/erlend/Music/Friends/2006 .. which doesn't exist?! Nope, Thunar will open /home/erland/Music This behaviour will save one search and one click in the interface. A small gain, but maybe worth it... -H- ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas :)
Hi :) Mike Massonnet a écrit : On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 12:29:21AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure I know it, but I think the vista bar would be much more easy-to-use. The what?! O_o Hey, be polite will you? Dude, I don't know if you were joking or what but be open-minded, everything isn't bad in Windows. There are also good ideas that don't come from free softwares. Now you have either to learn a shortcut, type it and then type the path (the VERY good thing is the auto-completition thing). My idea is to have something similar to the Ctrl+L shortcut in the location bar where words would be clickable :) You can switch to the location bar in this case. Shortcuts will still remain the sames, but you will be able to triple click the address bar and type whatever location you had like to go. Features like relative pathes and ~ are already supported which is very very useful. Selon David Keogh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think you misunderstood what he was describing. The location bar in Vista basically acts like both of Thunar's location selecters at once. If you click on one of the labels, it acts as a button; or if you click in empty space it acts as a field. Here's a screenshot that kind of demonstrates it: http://www.dx21.com/HOME/ARTICLES/P2P/WinV_IMAGES/Exp_AddressBar.PNG Oh, ugly. I don't see the need for this since you can easily switch between Tree pane (Ctrl+T) and Bookmark pane (Ctrl+B). Yes, it's another shortcut to learn, I hope you won't hyperventilate. Dude, I know shortcuts, but shortcuts ARE NOT user-friendly. Do you really think that someone who is discovering XFCE and Thunar is going to read the whole doc and learn every shortcut ? I'm just trying to make it as easy as possible :) If we want to make people use anything else than M$, we have to make it at least as easy to use (I mean, for *everyone*), and not only for computer addicts ;) Moreover, the drop down thing in the toolbar is not the first thing I'm looking for. I'm mostly speaking about the ability to click on the bar when it display the path. Read my first email I explained it (maybe badly :-/ - in that case, just tell me, I'll try to re-explain it :) ) I'm pretty sure that he's trying to say that a hybrid location selector would be a really cool feature. I fully agree... You got it ;) That's what I'm trying to say ! Maybe something like this: [home ()] [harold ()] where () is a selectbox that lists all directories in the same location where the current user has access to... As I said, this is not the first thing I'm looking for. But it can also be a very good thing. It's very useful, just give it a try if you have the opportunity (I won't say chance ;o) ) to use Vista someday. I maintain that the hybrid toolbar would be great :p What about the copy manager ? Any thought on it ? Cheers, and thanks for reading and taking time thinking about those small ideas :) - Fr. ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas :)
François K. wrote: Sure I know it, but I think the vista bar would be much more easy-to-use. The what?! O_o Hey, be polite will you? Dude, I don't know if you were joking or what but be open-minded, everything isn't bad in Windows. There are also good ideas that don't come from free softwares. Uh? There's life outside the free software community? Amazing... ;-) Oh, ugly. I don't see the need for this since you can easily switch between Tree pane (Ctrl+T) and Bookmark pane (Ctrl+B). Yes, it's another shortcut to learn, I hope you won't hyperventilate. Dude, I know shortcuts, but shortcuts ARE NOT user-friendly. Do you really think that someone who is discovering XFCE and Thunar is going to read the whole doc and learn every shortcut ? I'm just trying to make it as easy as possible :) The good thing about these shortcuts is that you don't need to read any docs at all. The menu item shows the shortcut, very intuitive and consistent with other applications. If we want to make people use anything else than M$, we have to make it at least as easy to use (I mean, for *everyone*), and not only for computer addicts ;) I don't want to make anyone use anything else than M$. People are free to use whatever they want, even Linux. I maintain that the hybrid toolbar would be great :p Maybe you want to cook a widget class for this? What about the copy manager ? Any thought on it ? Doesn't sound like a useful idea. At least I don't see any realistic use-case here. - Fr. Benedikt ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
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What about the copy manager ? Any thought on it ? Doesn't sound like a useful idea. At least I don't see any realistic use-case here. I do quite like the idea of all copy/move operations being lumped into one dialog window though. Erlend ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
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Selon Benedikt Meurer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Uh? There's life outside the free software community? Amazing... ;-) Yes, it can sometimes sound amazing :o) The good thing about these shortcuts is that you don't need to read any docs at all. The menu item shows the shortcut, very intuitive and consistent with other applications. Yes, that's true. I'm not saying that shortcuts are bad :) I don't want to make anyone use anything else than M$. People are free to use whatever they want, even Linux. That wasn't what I meant :-/ I maintain that the hybrid toolbar would be great :p Maybe you want to cook a widget class for this? I'll maybe try, but I've got to learn lots of things before :) What about the copy manager ? Any thought on it ? Doesn't sound like a useful idea. At least I don't see any realistic use-case here. OK. Selon Mike Massonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The shortcuts are written beneath the menu items. Again, I'm not saying shortcuts are bad... Sounds like Firefox copying over Internet Explorer, I don't think it is the best choice... Yes, they copied the shortcuts and a lot of habits of it. I'm not saying we have to copy the everything in M$. My opinion is that there are some good things in others systems that could also be nice for us. Windows (or maybe mac, I don't really care) had the window system first, and it was a good thing. And now we also have it. I don't think Linux invented shortcuts as well. (but I'm maybe wrong :)) I did understand, you have the UP button for this, or the bookmark pane, whatever their stuff should do. Yes, but clicking 4 or 5 times the up button isn't as easy (I mean, if you consider ergonomics) as directly clicking the directory you want. Well, don't answer that the tree view is made for that, I already know it, thanks. You must be kidding? If you are serious let me know it and I will present you my favourite program, it's called /usr/bin/footinyourass. I think you clearly misunderstood my sentence. I wasn't saying that using Vista is a chance. By the way, your joke was, woah, soo funny... I will stop there since this post requires people with Vista skills. Don't read between lines. I'never said that. It's just easier for me to compare it to this Vista thing. I shouldn't have talked about M$. I feel like you're totally focused on that :/ Well, thanks again for reading, and keep up the good work. - Fr. ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
[Thunar-dev] Some ideas :)
Hi all :) First, I would like to thank everyone for the work. Thunar is my favorite file manager. As a consequence, I would be glad to help it. I had some ideas using Thunar which I thought they could be interesting. The aim of this mail is to present you these ideas. I think it could be interesting to talk a bit about them and share points of view :) Also, I apologize if some were already made/studied but I'm new here, heh :) 1. Copy Manager : - So, the first idea is to have a kind of copy manager, just like the download manager we have in Mozilla Firefox. I often copy or move several files. There are generally 2 ways of doing it : - I select all the files and copy/paste them. I have one window with a progress bar for all files I selected. In that case, we just have one window and only control on the whole process. If you want to cancel the copying process for one file, you can't. The good thing is that you have just one window :) - If I want to keep control on each copying process, I have to select one file after another. The annoying thing with this method is that I have one window for each file... The idea is to combine both systems : having one window with the list of files you're copying/moving with a progress status for each one AND for the whole process. Also, having some control possibilities such as stop, pause or continue... That would be great. If one file is more important than another, you can pause the others and continue them after. I don't know if it's possible (again, this is an idea :) ). If you don't see what I mean, have a look at Firefox's download manager, this will give you an idea :) 2. Location bar : - As I'm very interested in computing, I tested M$ Vista a few days ago (I like to discover new things, new features, new ideas..). I don't really like their new explorer which is, for me, very very complicated. Nevertheless, there is a great thing in this explorer : the location bar. It combines the advantage of the button system and the text field system. I think Thunar could use a system like this one rather than the option in the menu bar. For those who haven't tested it (I understand them :D ), the bar is like a text field but you can click on words. For example you have : /home/user/projects/thunar And you can click on home,user,projects and thunar. Clicking on it will drop you in the directory, just like the button system. But if you click in the blank area of the text field (after thunar for example), you can type in what you want. You dont have to constantely switch between both options. OK, that's all for now, let me know what you think about those ideas. I'm sorry for my english (Im french). I was better a few years ago but I miss practice. Cheers, François PS : If someone feels patient enough to guide me and help me, I can try to develop those ideas. I know algorithmcs and I'm used to develop in PHP, XML and Java. So with help and time, I think I could play a bit with C or C++ :) ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas :)
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:51:31 +0100 François K. wrote: And you can click on home,user,projects and thunar. Clicking on it will drop you in the directory, just like the button system. Did you actually try it? Looks like it is already there: http://files.die-welt.net/bilders/thunar.png I can click all those buttons there ;-) You can change the behavior under View - Location Selector - Pathbar Style. Regards Evgeni -- ^^^| Evgeni -SargentD- Golov ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) d(O_o)b | PGP-Key-ID: 0xAC15B50C -|- | WWW: http://www.die-welt.net ICQ: 54116744 / \| IRC: #sod @ irc.german-freakz.net ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas :)
On 2/5/07, Evgeni Golov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:51:31 +0100 François K. wrote: And you can click on home,user,projects and thunar. Clicking on it will drop you in the directory, just like the button system. Did you actually try it? Looks like it is already there: http://files.die-welt.net/bilders/thunar.png I can click all those buttons there ;-) You can change the behavior under View - Location Selector - Pathbar Style. Regards Evgeni I think you misunderstood what he was describing. The location bar in Vista basically acts like both of Thunar's location selecters at once. If you click on one of the labels, it acts as a button; or if you click in empty space it acts as a field. Here's a screenshot that kind of demonstrates it: http://www.dx21.com/HOME/ARTICLES/P2P/WinV_IMAGES/Exp_AddressBar.PNG I personally think that this behaviour is kind of cool, but would be satisfied if Thunar copied Nautilus's behaviour. Nautilus replaces the buttons with a field when you press ctrl + l and then shows the button again when you return. David ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas :)
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:37:14 +, Erlend Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hmm, I don't really agree. Some people use Ctrl+L for getting the full path of the current directory (for pasting into a terminal, for example). It would have to be optional behaviour at least I think. Nope, not at all. Just let it accept a full path, or a path relative to the cwd. Don't change the contents (except maybe leaving a '/' on the end?), which lets you do exactly waht you want. In the current implementation, the text even starts off highlighted, so you don't even need to change that. -- Plastic gun. Ingenious. More coffee, please. -- The Phantom comics ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve Thunar.
Brian J. Tarricone wrote: So, to sum up, we don't touch it and leave it as KB/MB/GB? I'd say kB/MB/GB, but it's of course up to you. Oki doki, then it's kb now. -b Benedikt ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve Thunar.
Laurent Meunier wrote:
4/ About the location bar and navigation buttons, this location selector
is very useful... until you don't need the next/previous arrow buttons.
My idea is to use the same size for all buttons and to fill the location
bar with them (only if necessary). It's hard to explain (and my english
is very bad ;-) ), so if you want I could take screenshots to show you.
Please take a screenshot then.
I open Thunar an go to the folder :
~/xfce4-svn/gtk-xfce-engine-svn/src/gtk-xfce-engine-2/autom4te.cache
-- http://fogoh.free.fr/misc/thunar-shot-01.png
With one click on the previous button, there is still space on the right
of the last button ('gtk-xfce-engine-2') even if this button is not
really the last, there is still the 'autom4te.cache' after.
-- http://fogoh.free.fr/misc/thunar-shot-02.png
And one last click on the same button, the only difference is that there
is one more button (home) and the last button is the same as before.
-- http://fogoh.free.fr/misc/thunar-shot-03.png
Now, with one click on the next button, I go directly to step 1
(01.png). In a way, I need 2 actions to traverse the path, and in the
other way, only one.
I'm sorry, but I still don't get what you want to change. Do you want to
have the same width allocated to all buttons? If so, this would be a
large waste of space IMHO.
Laurent
Benedikt
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Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve Thunar.
Benedikt Meurer schrieb: Brian J. Tarricone wrote: So, to sum up, we don't touch it and leave it as KB/MB/GB? I'd say kB/MB/GB, but it's of course up to you. Oki doki, then it's kb now. Referring to the commit, you've changed it to kB, hehe. - Jannis ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve Thunar.
Jannis Pohlmann wrote: So, to sum up, we don't touch it and leave it as KB/MB/GB? I'd say kB/MB/GB, but it's of course up to you. Oki doki, then it's kb now. Referring to the commit, you've changed it to kB, hehe. Err, yes, kB. Dude, that were 10 mails just because of KB vs. kB. Never thought anybody could pay so much attention to this. Btw. Gnome uses KB, so people, it's now time to bug Gnome devs. ;-) - Jannis Benedikt ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve Thunar.
Benedikt Meurer wrote:
Laurent Meunier wrote:
4/ About the location bar and navigation buttons, this location selector
is very useful... until you don't need the next/previous arrow buttons.
My idea is to use the same size for all buttons and to fill the location
bar with them (only if necessary). It's hard to explain (and my english
is very bad ;-) ), so if you want I could take screenshots to show you.
Please take a screenshot then.
I open Thunar an go to the folder :
~/xfce4-svn/gtk-xfce-engine-svn/src/gtk-xfce-engine-2/autom4te.cache
-- http://fogoh.free.fr/misc/thunar-shot-01.png
With one click on the previous button, there is still space on the right
of the last button ('gtk-xfce-engine-2') even if this button is not
really the last, there is still the 'autom4te.cache' after.
-- http://fogoh.free.fr/misc/thunar-shot-02.png
And one last click on the same button, the only difference is that there
is one more button (home) and the last button is the same as before.
-- http://fogoh.free.fr/misc/thunar-shot-03.png
Now, with one click on the next button, I go directly to step 1
(01.png). In a way, I need 2 actions to traverse the path, and in the
other way, only one.
I'm sorry, but I still don't get what you want to change. Do you want to
have the same width allocated to all buttons? If so, this would be a
large waste of space IMHO.
The only thing I found weird in the location bar is the difference
between the last 2 shots. We have :
/xfce4-svn/gtk-xfce-engine-svn/src/gtk-xfce-engine-2/
and
/laurent/xfce4-svn/gtk-xfce-engine-svn/src/gtk-xfce-engine-2/
On the last shot, there is exactly the same information as on the 2nd
shot, plus a button for 'laurent' folder. For me, there is an extra step
when using the previous that we don't have when using the next button.
Don't be sorry, my explanation wasn't clear (I hope it is better now),
and don't mind about buttons width as I don't know myself want I really
want to change ;-)
I would prefer that you spend your time for more important things for
Thunar.
Laurent
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Erik Harrison wrote: The only problem I have with find as you type as supported in detail view is that there isn't a way to show the next match. Control+G like in Firefox. Erik Benedikt ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve Thunar.
Brian J. Tarricone wrote: 'K' sounds the least confusing of all of these ;^) Not from my perspective. If we wanted to be *really* pedantic, we'd recognise that k-, M-, and G- are meaningless in this sense since they deal with powers of 10, and instead use KiB, MiB, and GiB. However, I personally can't say kibibyte or mebibyte without collapsing into a fit of giggling, so this is a dubious approach at best. To take the other view, and not be pedantic at all, I bet that anyone who knows what a byte, kilobyte, megabyte, and gigabyte is will understand what the UI is trying to tell them regardless of whether it's capitalised or not. Having said that, I think doing anything but what the standard says is sloppy and lazy[2]. So, to sum up, we don't touch it and leave it as KB/MB/GB? -brian Benedikt PS: KiB/MiB/GiB would be ok too, if that helps to solve the problem. ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve Thunar.
Benedikt Meurer wrote: So, to sum up, we don't touch it and leave it as KB/MB/GB? This would be best. PS: KiB/MiB/GiB would be ok too, if that helps to solve the problem. This would be confusing and overly pedantic, IMO. -- b ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
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Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve Thunar.
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:34:43 -0800, Brian J. Tarricone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 1/30/2006 3:22 PM, sofar wrote: On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:14:37 +0200, Mikko Linnalo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One tiny issue that I noticed: filesize shown in status pane is using K instead of k when size is shown in kilobytes. Megs (M) and gigs (G) are shown with correct capitalisation. I'm not entirely sure what reasoning was followed by Benny originally but the uncapitalized letters 'k', 'm' and 'g' stand for the SI expansion of the number by 1000, 1 million and 1000 million. Consequently kiloByte (kB) is then shortened to 'K' to make sure it's not misconfused with 'kilo-nothing'. That logic doesn't really track, though. If you're going to use M, then use k. If M isn't confused to mean 'mega-nothing', then k shouldn't be confused to mean 'kilo-nothing'. Hence the consequent naming 'K', 'M', and 'G'. Which is incorrect on several levels[1]. of course, it would be better to write kB, mB and gB, but people misconfuse this with 'kb' etc, which stands for kilobit. annoying. especially in a network lab! No, that's wrong too. kB = kilobyte, mB = millibyte, and gB doesn't mean anything, IIRC. 'K' sounds the least confusing of all of these ;^) Not from my perspective. If we wanted to be *really* pedantic, we'd recognise that k-, M-, and G- are meaningless in this sense since they deal with powers of 10, and instead use KiB, MiB, and GiB. However, I personally can't say kibibyte or mebibyte without collapsing into a fit of giggling, so this is a dubious approach at best. To take the other view, and not be pedantic at all, I bet that anyone who knows what a byte, kilobyte, megabyte, and gigabyte is will understand what the UI is trying to tell them regardless of whether it's capitalised or not. Having said that, I think doing anything but what the standard says is sloppy and lazy[2]. -brian [1] If you do a little research on the issue, you'll find that, by convention -- not by any actual standard -- both kB and KB are used interchangeably to mean kilobyte. Personally I think that's unfortunate, and just a case of enough people doing it wrong so it somehow becomes de facto correct. [2] Of course, I'm lying, since we really should use KiB, MiB, and GiB, which I don't prefer. I mean kB, MB, and GB, or, abbreviated, k, M, and G. I'm glad someone tops me at being anal at things once in a while =^) - but as you state before 'kB' stands for kilobyte ... but kb really for kilobit (of course it really should be kib). Anyway Since we now have MB we can also do Mb - handy for those 1000megabit cards I'm testing right now, or should I say Gb cards... Auke ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
[Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve Thunar.
Hello,
I use Thunar for one month now, and I write to this list to share some
ideas to improve this wonderful file manager.
1/ Now that Thunar support zoom level to display icons. Could it be
possible to change zoom level with the mouse, something like ctrl +
wheelup (zoom in) or wheeldown (zoom out) ?
2/ I like to have big icons when only a few (say less than 10) icons are
displayed and small icons when there are more. Maybe Thunar could
calculate icon's size dynamically. I know that Rox does something
similar, by double-clicking on the window's background, icons and window
are resized.
3/ What do you think of implementing something like 'find as you type'
like in Firefox ? This could be very useful to quickly find a file or a
folder.
4/ About the location bar and navigation buttons, this location selector
is very useful... until you don't need the next/previous arrow buttons.
My idea is to use the same size for all buttons and to fill the location
bar with them (only if necessary). It's hard to explain (and my english
is very bad ;-) ), so if you want I could take screenshots to show you.
5/ In icon view, with 'Text beside icons' selected and a high zoom
level, a lot of space is lost. This space could be used to display more
informations like file size, mime type, mtime, etc. Those informations
could be displayed juste below file name (in grey to differentiate from
the file name).
I wait for your comments on these ideas to open Request for new feature
or enhancement in bugzilla.
Something completely different now. I'm currently looking at how to
implement a thumbnail/preview for text file. What I plan to do :
- modify thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb.c to handle text/plain as image/jpeg
- create 2 files thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs.thumb-text.{c,h} based on the
files thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs.thumb-jpeg.{c,h}
- in thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs.thumb-text.c, implements the function :
GdkPixbuf*
thunar_vfs_thumb_text_load (const gchar *path,
gint size)
{
/* draw on a pixmap using pango */
/* convert pixmap to pixbuf */
/* return the pixbuf*/
}
Benedikt, please correct me if I'm doing something wrong. I'm pretty new
to C and gtk, so I will certainly make mistakes ;-)
Laurent
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Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve Thunar.
On ma, 2006-01-30 at 22:55 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote: Laurent Meunier wrote: 1/ Now that Thunar support zoom level to display icons. Could it be possible to change zoom level with the mouse, something like ctrl + wheelup (zoom in) or wheeldown (zoom out) ? Doable, but don't think that's really required. How often does one change the zoom level? Quite often when browsing pictures (atleast me). When increasing icon size is that easy, Thunar can work as kind of image browser making user find the image he's looking for much easier. 5/ In icon view, with 'Text beside icons' selected and a high zoom level, a lot of space is lost. This space could be used to display more informations like file size, mime type, mtime, etc. Those informations could be displayed juste below file name (in grey to differentiate from the file name). File a feature request for it. Dunno if it will make it into 1.0. I thought about this also, showing e.g. filesize with lighter colour and smaller font underneath would be a nice addition in this view mode (now it just moves the text). One tiny issue that I noticed: filesize shown in status pane is using K instead of k when size is shown in kilobytes. Megs (M) and gigs (G) are shown with correct capitalisation. -Mikko Linnlo ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve Thunar.
Mikko Linnalo wrote: 1/ Now that Thunar support zoom level to display icons. Could it be possible to change zoom level with the mouse, something like ctrl + wheelup (zoom in) or wheeldown (zoom out) ? Doable, but don't think that's really required. How often does one change the zoom level? Quite often when browsing pictures (atleast me). When increasing icon size is that easy, Thunar can work as kind of image browser making user find the image he's looking for much easier. Done. One tiny issue that I noticed: filesize shown in status pane is using K instead of k when size is shown in kilobytes. Megs (M) and gigs (G) are shown with correct capitalisation. Well, K is correct (unless I'm missing something). -Mikko Linnlo Benedikt ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve Thunar.
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:14:37 +0200, Mikko Linnalo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One tiny issue that I noticed: filesize shown in status pane is using K instead of k when size is shown in kilobytes. Megs (M) and gigs (G) are shown with correct capitalisation. I'm not entirely sure what reasoning was followed by Benny originally but the uncapitalized letters 'k', 'm' and 'g' stand for the SI expansion of the number by 1000, 1 million and 1000 million. Consequently kiloByte (kB) is then shortened to 'K' to make sure it's not misconfused with 'kilo-nothing'. Hence the consequent naming 'K', 'M', and 'G'. of course, it would be better to write kB, mB and gB, but people misconfuse this with 'kb' etc, which stands for kilobit. annoying. especially in a network lab! 'K' sounds the least confusing of all of these ;^) Auke ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve Thunar.
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:14:37 +0200, Mikko Linnalo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: One tiny issue that I noticed: filesize shown in status pane is using "K" instead of "k" when size is shown in kilobytes. Megs (M) and gigs (G) are shown with correct capitalisation. I'm not entirely sure what reasoning was followed by Benny originally but the uncapitalized letters 'k', 'm' and 'g' stand for the SI expansion of the number by 1000, 1 million and 1000 million. Consequently kiloByte (kB) is then shortened to 'K' to make sure it's not misconfused with 'kilo-nothing'. actually, in SI, k is kilos, M is megs and G is gigs, m is millis but yes, KB, MB and GB are usually used Hence the consequent naming 'K', 'M', and 'G'. of course, it would be better to write kB, mB and gB, but people misconfuse this with 'kb' etc, which stands for kilobit. annoying. especially in a network lab! 'K' sounds the least confusing of all of these ;^) Auke ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve Thunar.
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:55:14 +0100, Benedikt Meurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 3/ What do you think of implementing something like 'find as you type' like in Firefox ? This could be very useful to quickly find a file or a folder. The detailed list view already support this. ExoIconView/ThunarIconView support is on the way (http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1359). Personally, the biggest annoyance with Thunar is this support -- I think it should at least search for substrings, if not match regexes. I think matching regexes would be the best option -- it can be treated as a simple substring search, but it can also (surprise) handle searching by regex. Often when looking for a file, I remember a part of the name, but this part doesn't always start at the 0th character, so this would be a useful feature for me. -- I just got out of the hospital after a speed reading accident. I hit a bookmark. -- Steven Wright ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve usability
On Sat Jan 28 12:04:09 UTC 2006, Benedikt Meurer wrote: - Option in right click menu or in file menu to add a folder to side pane (as a shortcut). I know drag'n'drop to side menu works but it isn't that obvious to normal user without reading the manual. This would increase Thunars out-of-box readiness and overall usability Dunno if this is really necessary. Where would you add it exactly? To the folder context menu? Under the File menu, theres already some items in there that are active only when a folder is highlighted. This Add to shortcuts could be after Open and Open in new window items. Another solution could be to add it to right click menu, but that could make the menu look a bit bloated IMHO. - Remember selection option as check box in Open with -dialog. I know that default application can be selected from file properties dialog, but being able to do so from Open with -dialog also would improve the usability greatly (IMHO) The check box isn't necessary, since Thunar will automatically remember your choice. It doesn't remember that with 0.2.0 alpha (atleast for me), looks like I have to change to SVN version anyway... - Single click support, lots of people have been used to using this. This requires most effort from me to get used to after so many years of single clicking This was discussed earlier. I'm personally not a big fan of single click, esp. since it is totally inconsistent with other applications that use GtkTreeView. Besides that it requires aweful hacks. You can file a feature request for this, but it won't be on high priority. I'll file a feature request then. Most people I know use single click (both Windows and Linux users), my guess would be that single click divides users of any OS into 2 about same sized groups (+-10% maybe). I'd also like point out an inconsistency inside Xfce if Thunar only uses double click, atleast Xfce settings manager is kind of using single click and also Rox file manager which large part of Xfce users are using (or were using before Thunar was usable enough). I'm not saying that single click should be on by default, but an option atleast. I'll end now before this looks like I'm debating this to the bitter end :) Regards, Mikko Linnalo ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve usability
On su, 2006-01-29 at 19:15 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote: Under the File menu, theres already some items in there that are active only when a folder is highlighted. This Add to shortcuts could be after Open and Open in new window items. Another solution could be to add it to right click menu, but that could make the menu look a bit bloated IMHO. Ok, I'll see to it. It'd be a good idea to file a bugreport to remind me of this. Done. The check box isn't necessary, since Thunar will automatically remember your choice. It doesn't remember that with 0.2.0 alpha (atleast for me), looks like I have to change to SVN version anyway... It should, else its a bug. Do you have desktop-file-utils installed BTW? Yes I have. I'll change to SVN version soon and file a bug report if it's still not remembering the app. association after that. I'm not saying that single click should be on by default, but an option atleast. I'll end now before this looks like I'm debating this to the bitter end :) File a feature request, and we'll see if it can be done w/o too ugly hacks. Also done. Regards, Mikko Linnalo ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve usability
Mikko Linnalo wrote: - Remembering window size, maybe as an option in preferences. I'm using 1600x1200 resolution and desktop size seems such a waste when launching Thunar. First thing I do every time after launching it, is making the window bigger. http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1389 - Option in right click menu or in file menu to add a folder to side pane (as a shortcut). I know drag'n'drop to side menu works but it isn't that obvious to normal user without reading the manual. This would increase Thunars out-of-box readiness and overall usability Dunno if this is really necessary. Where would you add it exactly? To the folder context menu? - Trashcan in sidepane, has this been discussed already? Trash support was dropped for now. We'll wait for a common d-vfs. - Remember selection option as check box in Open with -dialog. I know that default application can be selected from file properties dialog, but being able to do so from Open with -dialog also would improve the usability greatly (IMHO) The check box isn't necessary, since Thunar will automatically remember your choice. - Single click support, lots of people have been used to using this. This requires most effort from me to get used to after so many years of single clicking This was discussed earlier. I'm personally not a big fan of single click, esp. since it is totally inconsistent with other applications that use GtkTreeView. Besides that it requires aweful hacks. You can file a feature request for this, but it won't be on high priority. -Mikko Linnalo greets, Benedikt ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve usability
Aaron schrieb: well, double click is already in, just make it an option, though i think single click should be on by default, as thats how many linux desktops are set up. but as long as its easy to locate in the prefrences box, its all good AFAIK, neither Nautilus nor Konqueror have single-click browsing enabled by default. Same for Windows Explorer and other file managers like Xfe. I think it should not be default in Thunar as well. Not because I simply don't like it (well, I don't) but because most users are used to double-click browsing in file managers. However, it should of course be implemented as an option you can switch on whenever you want. Regards, Jannis ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve usability
Really, double-click would IMHO be better. Not because of the amount of users used to it, but when double-clicking when single-clicking is default, it will open the same thing twice, this can be terrible on slow computers (which are more likely to use Xfce). However, when someone single-clicks when double-click is default, you will soon enough remember you have to double-click. Just my two cents.On 1/27/06, Oblio Oblio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it should not be default in Thunar as well. Not because I simply don't like it (well, I don't) but because most users are used to double-click browsing in file managers.For sloppy users (which are the majority, I admit I am one - just don't want to focus on the mouse as if I'm playing Quake when I'm onmy desktop :P), single click is ANNOYING.You end up starting a lot of apps my misclicking. And on olderhardware misclicking on two files: a HTML one and a .DOC is tragedy, as those are usually opened with Firefox and OO.org.Mouse power-users :) can change the behaviour later if they wish.Maybe it's just me, but I know that most users come from a Windowsbackground, and single click is annoying. That's why most file managers use double click.Regards,Oblio.___Thunar-dev mailing listThunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev-- Vincent http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=58682amp;t=65 ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
[Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve usability
Hey, Been using Thunar for some time now and it sure beats other file managers, even in this early stage... Anyway, here's few usability improvement ideas that came to my mind: - Remembering window size, maybe as an option in preferences. I'm using 1600x1200 resolution and desktop size seems such a waste when launching Thunar. First thing I do every time after launching it, is making the window bigger. - Option in right click menu or in file menu to add a folder to side pane (as a shortcut). I know drag'n'drop to side menu works but it isn't that obvious to normal user without reading the manual. This would increase Thunars out-of-box readiness and overall usability - Trashcan in sidepane, has this been discussed already? - Remember selection option as check box in Open with -dialog. I know that default application can be selected from file properties dialog, but being able to do so from Open with -dialog also would improve the usability greatly (IMHO) - Single click support, lots of people have been used to using this. This requires most effort from me to get used to after so many years of single clicking -Mikko Linnalo ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve usability
Another suggestion: Set Icon size. This is something that freaks me out whenever I open thunar. REALLY big icons for what I'm used to. Not a big thing, but not easy to program either, I expect. Perhaps go the windows way, and have small, medium, large, and gargantuan. ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] Some ideas to improve usability
i think the most important and easiest thing is single click. many users have been single clicking for a while, that its just natural, and quite odd to have to double click everything On 1/26/06, Tim Alexander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another suggestion: Set Icon size. This is something that freaks me out whenever I open thunar. REALLY big icons for what I'm used to. Not a big thing, but not easy to program either, I expect. Perhaps go the windows way, and have small, medium, large, and gargantuan. ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev -- If it moves, COMPILE IT!!! Yay Gentoo!!! ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
Re: [Thunar-dev] some ideas for thunar
HiI think, that windows explorer has this feature done pretty good way:You can apply your current folders settings to all folder. You can enable/disable the feature to remember every folders view separately. So, wht i do every time when i have configure windows explorer, i configure one folder as i like it for general file browsing - and I apply it to all folders. But I have my wallpapers directory, and there is very handy to use thumbnails view - so i set it so there, and only there are thumbnails, or some other directory, where pictures are and i have set so. So, if i move to another folder - it always uses my default settings how would i like the files unless i haven't set other way.I think that this it could be pretty nice and useable - i don't see any reason why to make things more complicated (like when i have set thumbs in a view and open new one then it has thumbs too and when i open a new window somewhere else it has some other settings). RainOn 9/28/05, Biju Chacko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benedikt Meurer wrote: What would work IMHO would be a compromise: We remember the view settings per folder, but apply the settings only if the user opens a new window in a given folder. We do not override the user choices for already open windows. But this is also somewhat tricky, I have to think about this again.I think thats even more confusing!There are two ways of doing this (IMO):a. Don't use per folder settings by default. Provide a User Preference option to enable it. In that case, the potentially confusing behavior ismitigated by the fact that it will only be seen by people who understandwhat is happening.b. Provide some kind of visual feedback to explain what is happening: - An emblem on the folder icon that indicates that it has some settingsassociated with it.OR- A status bar icon that appears when folder-specific settings havebeen applied. A tooltip on the icon would provide a more verbose explanation. Double-clicking on it would discard folder-specific settings.A combination of both a b might be best ...-- b___Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.orghttp://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev ___ Thunar-dev mailing list Thunar-dev@xfce.org http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/thunar-dev
