[tw] AMBIT YouAreReading refactor

2011-06-19 Thread Trey
TWgroup,
I posted the topic "List of Open Tiddlers" which has gone off in a new
direction.  As has my search.  I'd like to use the YouAreReadingWidget
plugin from the AMBIT tiddlywiki:

http://ambit-theme.tiddlyspace.com/#YouAreReadingWidgetPlugin

you can see it on the right.  It works well, except for a seemingly
small problem; when I enable the plugin, any link inside the "view
text wikified" macro stops working!  They are still displayed as
links, but clicking them does nothing.  Links elsewhere in the TW seem
to work fine.

I have upgraded my wiki and tried disabling all other plugins.  No
result - thus I assume this to be a problem with using a tiddlyspace
plugin in a tiddlywiki.

My kung fu isn't strong enough to figure out what's going on.  However
there is a comment in the plugin about some code that doesn't make
sense, that might be a lead.  Any help?  Always greatly appreciated.

Trey

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[tw] Re: List of Open Tidders

2011-06-19 Thread Trey
Jon- I actually just noticed that your implementation sorts open
titles alphabetically.  Is there a way to make it simply append newly
opened titles, or somehow more closely reflect the real organization
of the page?  Based on what I know about TW list-sorting options, that
sounds kind of intractable with your method.

I already have the Ambit code working, except for this problem where
it messes up all my links.  This discussion here has gone in other
directions so I am going to post a new topic - anyone please check it
out and help me fix Ambit for non-tiddlyspace use if you've got the
know-how.

Trey


On Jun 19, 7:27 pm, PMario  wrote:
> On Jun 19, 9:42 pm, Eric Shulman  wrote:> What I would 
> like is for TWO new parameters, "template:TiddlerName",
> > would apply the TWCore standard template processing to render output
> > from HTML, while "format:TiddlerName", could apply wikify() processing
> > to render output from wiki syntax.
>
> I think this would be a good issue at TW github [1], if you could
> decide to jump in there :)
>
> > This would provide a more complete solution, enabling use of the
> > TWCore's HTML template syntax as an alternative when wiki-syntax
> > formatting falls short, or when you just want to re-use existing
> > custom templates that already format the tiddler output as desired.
>
> > Your thoughts?
>
> +1
>
> -m
> [1]https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/tiddlywiki/issues

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[tw] Re: List of Open Tidders

2011-06-19 Thread PMario
On Jun 19, 9:42 pm, Eric Shulman  wrote:
> What I would like is for TWO new parameters, "template:TiddlerName",
> would apply the TWCore standard template processing to render output
> from HTML, while "format:TiddlerName", could apply wikify() processing
> to render output from wiki syntax.
I think this would be a good issue at TW github [1], if you could
decide to jump in there :)

> This would provide a more complete solution, enabling use of the
> TWCore's HTML template syntax as an alternative when wiki-syntax
> formatting falls short, or when you just want to re-use existing
> custom templates that already format the tiddler output as desired.
>
> Your thoughts?
+1

-m
[1] https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/tiddlywiki/issues

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[tw] Re: List of Open Tidders

2011-06-19 Thread Trey
Rakugo: I tested your suggestion.

However I'm a little confused: your first post doesn't seem to address
my question, it simply lists all tiddlers, regardless of their being
open or closed.
As you indicated in your second message, the plugin that enables the
isopen filter doesn't work in TW releases, apparently not the alpha
either.
The version you have enabled on tiddlyspace (frankenstein) is exactly
what I'm looking for (as I said above, the Ambit plugin caused all my
in-tiddler links to stop working).  It looks like the template would
be very easy to modify too.
If you are willing to refactor that code, I for one would certainly
"test" it for you :)
Would that require using the latest alpha?  Don't really mind, just
wondering.

Long Live TiddlyWiki



On Jun 19, 6:34 pm, Eric Shulman  wrote:
> > > This would provide a more complete solution, enabling use of the
> > > TWCore's HTML template syntax as an alternative when wiki-syntax
> > > formatting falls short, or when you just want to re-use existing
> > > custom templates that already format the tiddler output as desired.
>
> > Would this make TaggedTemplateTweak redundant?
>
> not at all.  TaggedTemplateTweak is a *selector* of templates, invoked
> directly by the TWCore whenever a tiddler is to be displayed.  It
> applies a series of tests and rules to determine which template to
> use.
>
> In contrast, the "template:..." and "format:..." parameters I
> suggested are for use within *macros* such as < template:...>>.
>
> Note: I have a plan to similarly extend the <> macro, so that
> you can write:
>    <>
> to render the tiddler using TWCore HTML Template syntax instead of
> just wikifying the tiddler's *text* content.  I'll post a follow-up
> when I've got something coded.
>
> enjoy,
> -e

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[tw] Re: List of Open Tidders

2011-06-19 Thread Eric Shulman
> > This would provide a more complete solution, enabling use of the
> > TWCore's HTML template syntax as an alternative when wiki-syntax
> > formatting falls short, or when you just want to re-use existing
> > custom templates that already format the tiddler output as desired.
>
> Would this make TaggedTemplateTweak redundant?

not at all.  TaggedTemplateTweak is a *selector* of templates, invoked
directly by the TWCore whenever a tiddler is to be displayed.  It
applies a series of tests and rules to determine which template to
use.

In contrast, the "template:..." and "format:..." parameters I
suggested are for use within *macros* such as <>.

Note: I have a plan to similarly extend the <> macro, so that
you can write:
   <>
to render the tiddler using TWCore HTML Template syntax instead of
just wikifying the tiddler's *text* content.  I'll post a follow-up
when I've got something coded.

enjoy,
-e

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[tw] Re: List of Open Tidders

2011-06-19 Thread Måns
Hi

>... and, with the use of TiddlyTools' TaggedTemplateTweak, this
> method is already widely-used to display alternative renderings of
> tiddler content.  Of course, rendering tiddlers from wiki content
> 'templates' allows for simplified formatting, which is all that is
> needed for *some* use cases.

I do that all the time via the <> macro embedded in custom
HTML formatted Edit- and ViewTemplates - like this: . TiddlerTitle is often a tiddler
with a wikitable and some wikiformatted macros like <> which work fine. (I know I can use the wikifymacro
directly in a ViewTemplate, but I like to be able to make simple
wikitables )

If I however want to embed the <> macro in a wikiformatted
template I have to use HTML syntax like this:
| Contact:||
| Phone:||

if I want it to work in all situations...

> What I would like is for TWO new parameters, "template:TiddlerName",
> would apply the TWCore standard template processing to render output
> from HTML, while "format:TiddlerName", could apply wikify() processing
> to render output from wiki syntax.


> This would provide a more complete solution, enabling use of the
> TWCore's HTML template syntax as an alternative when wiki-syntax
> formatting falls short, or when you just want to re-use existing
> custom templates that already format the tiddler output as desired.

Would this make TaggedTemplateTweak redundant?

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

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[tw] Re: simile timeline: how to reference timeline tiddlers directly?

2011-06-19 Thread steve
Hello

To attempt to simplify my earlier question is there a way to embed one
or more tiddler names in the content for a timeline tiddler?

Steve Wharton

On Jun 19, 10:19 am, steve  wrote:
> Hello
>
> Using the simile timeline (for example Mans version 
> @http://stimeline.tiddlyspace.com/)
> which uses tiddlers to populate the timeline such as the tiddler
> Monet101
>
> start:Nov 14 2008 00:00:00 GMT
> title:Birth
> image:monet.png
> link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Monet
> description:Claude Monet, 
>
> Is there a way to embed a reference or link to the Monet101 tiddler
> itself? This would provide a direct link to view or edit the Monet101
> tiddler from within the timeline. At present, I have to remember that
> the timeline content for Monet's birth is located in Monet101.
>
> Thanks
> Steve Wharton

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[tw] Re: List of Open Tidders

2011-06-19 Thread Eric Shulman
> > How stable are the alphas?
>
> It's a question of testing. As you really want the feature which is
> provided by the new code, your testing will be especially valuable.
> Of'course developers don't add bugs so it can be called alpha, it's
> just usual practice -- first software is created, next it's tested,
> then it's fixed and so on.

In addition to early testing of the code, Alpha's are, in practical
terms, a "field review" of the specific functionality and design for
new features.  This is especially true for TiddlyWiki, which has no
formal design proposal and review process.

In this particular instance, one design concern I have is the use of
"template" to refer to a tiddler that contains *wiki-formatted*
content.  However, the well-established TiddlyWiki template system
(i.e., PageTemplate, ViewTemplate, EditTemplate) uses HTML-formatted
content... and, with the use of TiddlyTools' TaggedTemplateTweak, this
method is already widely-used to display alternative renderings of
tiddler content.  Of course, rendering tiddlers from wiki content
'templates' allows for simplified formatting, which is all that is
needed for *some* use cases.

What I would like is for TWO new parameters, "template:TiddlerName",
would apply the TWCore standard template processing to render output
from HTML, while "format:TiddlerName", could apply wikify() processing
to render output from wiki syntax.

This would provide a more complete solution, enabling use of the
TWCore's HTML template syntax as an alternative when wiki-syntax
formatting falls short, or when you just want to re-use existing
custom templates that already format the tiddler output as desired.

Your thoughts?

-e

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[tw] Re : Re: Chrome Doesn't remember my wiki's options...

2011-06-19 Thread Nunud
It's working again... Don't even know why! x-)

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[tw] Re: List of Open Tidders

2011-06-19 Thread Sub
Please let us know if it worked with the alpha. I couldn't get it
working as described above.

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[tw] Re: List of Open Tidders

2011-06-19 Thread Trey
I guess it's a bit of a silly question, of course alphas have
bugs...but not all alphas are created equal :)
I will check it out soon, I've been messing with my TW too much,
neglecting other responsibilities.  I'll post here when I get some
result though.

On Jun 19, 10:53 am, Yakov  wrote:
> > <>
>
> Oops, sorry, I mean .

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[tw] Re: HELP - Comments plugin

2011-06-19 Thread paulio
Hi Eric and all,

Thanks for your very helpful comments. I managed to get the comment
plug-in working with your help, so muchos
gracias!

paul

On Jun 15, 9:55 pm, Eric Shulman  wrote:
> > I also tried the Comment plugin and Discussion plugin from Tiddlytools
> > but I just couldn't make head nor tail of the instructions - it's far
> > too complicated for me!
>
> For simple commenting, you don't need DiscussionPlugin... just install
>    http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#CommentPlugin
>
> then, to add comments to the end of a tiddler, just embed
>    <>
> in that tiddler.  This will insert the comment input form.  Enter your
> content, press OK, and it is appended to the tiddler.  Just that
> simple!
>
> If you want a comment form to appear in all tiddlers, edit your
> ViewTemplate, and change this:
>    
> into something like this:
>    
>       
>       
>    
>
> This will put the comment form at the end of every tiddler, with the
> comments text displayed immediately *preceding* the form.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
> Eric Shulman
> TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios
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[tw] simile timeline: how to reference timeline tiddlers directly?

2011-06-19 Thread steve
Hello

Using the simile timeline (for example Mans version @ 
http://stimeline.tiddlyspace.com/)
which uses tiddlers to populate the timeline such as the tiddler
Monet101

start:Nov 14 2008 00:00:00 GMT
title:Birth
image:monet.png
link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Monet
description:Claude Monet, 


Is there a way to embed a reference or link to the Monet101 tiddler
itself? This would provide a direct link to view or edit the Monet101
tiddler from within the timeline. At present, I have to remember that
the timeline content for Monet's birth is located in Monet101.

Thanks
Steve Wharton


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[tw] Eric's AutoTagger - problem with using aliases

2011-06-19 Thread HansBKK
Looks like an excellent tool for someone (ab)using tags as much as I do.

However it seems to break my TWs as soon as I try to use the Alias feature - 
which unfortunately is specifically what drove me to check it out.

All the other features seem to work OK, but as soon as I've created a 
tiddler matching the name enabled in the Alias configuration box, I'm unable 
to save any edits on any tiddlers - clicking Done does absolutely nothing. 
Disable the Alias feature or delete the TagAliases tiddler and everything 
goes back to being OK.

I'm using a latest-release MPTW - just tried on on vanilla TW no issue - any 
known conflcts with something taggly?

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