[tw] Re: Tiddly Backpack

[Cyrill]

Second this...


Am Montag, 18. August 2008 11:39:49 UTC+2 schrieb Ian:
>
> I though you might be interested in this TiddlyWiki derivative called 
> Tiddly Backpack. 
>
> I build it to keep track of the notes I create releated to programming 
> on a daily basis. It's based on 37signals backpack, i.e. it's page 
> based and you can drag and drop sections around the screen. 
>
> http://www.tiddlybackpack.com 
>

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[tw] Re: Tiddly Backpack

[Cyrill]

second this...

Am Dienstag, 4. Juni 2013 08:26:01 UTC+2 schrieb cflow:
>
> Hi Ian,
>
> It seems the http://www.tiddlybackpack.com links to a site in Japanese...
>
> I assume this is not the intent :| 
>
> I would love to look at the project if its available anywhere for download?
>
> On Monday, August 18, 2008 7:39:49 PM UTC+10, Ian wrote:
>>
>> I though you might be interested in this TiddlyWiki derivative called 
>> Tiddly Backpack. 
>>
>> I build it to keep track of the notes I create releated to programming 
>> on a daily basis. It's based on 37signals backpack, i.e. it's page 
>> based and you can drag and drop sections around the screen. 
>>
>> http://www.tiddlybackpack.com 
>>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release

[Jeremy Ruston]

H Tony

Excellent news that you can now repeat the problem reliably. When you say
that the crash isn't occurring with the minimum test case, do you mean that
you don't get the crash if you disable all the plugins in your document?

Best wishes

Jeremy






On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:49 AM, TonyM  wrote:

> Eric,
>
> I have a Serious problem exposed with TiddlyWiki 2.8.0 in a special case ?
>
> I think it important to report something here but I would understand that
> it may not be fixable at this stage. As posted by myself on a number of
> occasions I have been getting FireFox Abends - Closes Firefox when
> selecting Save Changes (Latest FireFox/TiddlyFox and earlier versions) -
> the problem is before 2.8.0 this* may or may not happen on any save* and
> it seems the longer the period without a save the more likely it will
> happen (When more is to be lost). This has been a wicked problem for me and
> I have tried to resolve it with all combinations of FF browser and plugin
> elimination.
>
> Since installing 2.8.0 this problem is now repeatable because without
> TiddlyFox enabled it happens on every save.
>
> Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download over Dropbox copy from which it
> was loaded abends FF, Reopen FF File not found - Firefox can't find the
> file at /b:/TiddlyWiki/MasterDBV4.htm - File was deleted.
>
> Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download to new location from which it was
> loaded abends FF, Reopen FF file was Not deleted.
>
> This means should the local file save fail care of TiddlyFox, the fall
> back (new 2.8.0 code) is now a guaranteed abend of FireFox) for me.
>
> This is not occurring with the minimum test case !
>
> I have disabled all Plugins containing netscape.security, From
> netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');
>  including QuickEdit one of my favorite plugins but sadley the fault is
> still occurring.
>
>
> *Request
> Given you are currently knee deep in the save code of tiddlyWiki could you
> please advise what plugin code could be interfering with this process and
> causing abends? I will then search for this code and disable plugins to see
> if I can eliminate it.*
>
> I will undertake another plugin disable and reenable elimination process
> because at least now the problem is predicable (assuming its that same).
>
> FF Crash report below
>
> Regards Tony
>
> AdapterDeviceID: 0x0166
> AdapterVendorID: 0x8086
> Add-ons: tabletools2%40mingyi.org:1
> .17,%7B972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd%7D:21.0,jid0-lqtsBMO4PkjAOFcCt6zDcWsAXCU%40jetpack:0.2.4
> AvailablePageFile: 2765107200
> AvailablePhysicalMemory: 455303168
> AvailableVirtualMemory: 520675328
> BuildID: 20130511120803
> CrashTime: 1370306476
> EMCheckCompatibility: true
> Email: anthony.mus...@gmail.com
> FramePoisonBase: f0de
> FramePoisonSize: 65536
> InstallTime: 1370305003
> Notes: AdapterVendorID: 0x8086, AdapterDeviceID: 0x0166, AdapterSubsysID:
> 00031179, AdapterDriverVersion: 8.15.10.2712
> D2D? D2D+ DWrite? DWrite+ D3D10 Layers? D3D10 Layers+
> xpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: OOM: file
> e:\builds\moz2_slave\rel-m-rel-w32_bld-\build\xpcom\string\src\nsTSubstring.cpp,
> line 291)
> ProductID: {ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}
> ProductName: Firefox
> ReleaseChannel: release
> SecondsSinceLastCrash: 406
> StartupTime: 1370306235
> SystemMemoryUsePercentage: 86
> Theme: classic/1.0
> Throttleable: 1
> TotalVirtualMemory: 2147352576
> URL: file:///b:/TiddlyWiki/MasterDBV4.html
> Vendor: Mozilla
> Version: 21.0
> Winsock_LSP: MSAFD Tcpip [TCP/IP] : 2 : 1 :
> %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
>  MSAFD Tcpip [UDP/IP] : 2 : 2 :
>  MSAFD Tcpip [RAW/IP] : 2 : 3 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
>  MSAFD Tcpip [TCP/IPv6] : 2 : 1 :
>  MSAFD Tcpip [UDP/IPv6] : 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
>  MSAFD Tcpip [RAW/IPv6] : 2 : 3 :
>  RSVP TCPv6 Service Provider : 2 : 1 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
>  RSVP TCP Service Provider : 2 : 1 :
>  RSVP UDPv6 Service Provider : 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
>  RSVP UDP Service Provider : 2 : 2 :
>  VMCI sockets DGRAM : 0 : 2 : %windir%\system32\vsocklib.dll
>  VMCI sockets STREAM : 0 : 1 :
>  MSAFD NetBIOS
> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{AF59E493-427B-4C72-A34E-DFF9B7B2142B}] SEQPACKET 17 :
> 2 : 5 :
>  MSAFD NetBIOS
> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{AF59E493-427B-4C72-A34E-DFF9B7B2142B}] DATAGRAM 17 :
> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
>  MSAFD NetBIOS
> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BCF77AB2--4387-8411-BD2AB4A28958}] SEQPACKET 13 :
> 2 : 5 :
>  MSAFD NetBIOS
> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BCF77AB2--4387-8411-BD2AB4A28958}] DATAGRAM 13 :
> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
>  MSAFD NetBIOS
> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{883896CC-0E69-46FA-BACE-77713F7A0B39}] SEQPACKET 10 :
> 2 : 5 :
>  MSAFD NetBIOS
> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{883896CC-0E69-46FA-BACE-77713F7A0B39}] DATAGRAM 10 :
> 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
>  MSAFD NetBIOS
> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{EF050343-842F-441C-9776-16F2FFAB92E9}] 

Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release

[TonyM]

Jeremy,

This is so Frustrating. My Last elegantly composed response seemed safe 
because by disabling various plugins I had found a potential subset of 
plugins that may be the cause of an immediate abend, I could save my 
tiddlywiki. Unfortunately before posting I though I would save my notes to 
you and once again abend.

I will re-post from one I will write in Notepad first - shortly

Tony

On Tuesday, 4 June 2013 17:53:20 UTC+10, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> H Tony
>
> Excellent news that you can now repeat the problem reliably. When you say 
> that the crash isn't occurring with the minimum test case, do you mean that 
> you don't get the crash if you disable all the plugins in your document?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:49 AM, TonyM  >wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> I have a Serious problem exposed with TiddlyWiki 2.8.0 in a special case ?
>>
>> I think it important to report something here but I would understand that 
>> it may not be fixable at this stage. As posted by myself on a number of 
>> occasions I have been getting FireFox Abends - Closes Firefox when 
>> selecting Save Changes (Latest FireFox/TiddlyFox and earlier versions) - 
>> the problem is before 2.8.0 this* may or may not happen on any save* and 
>> it seems the longer the period without a save the more likely it will 
>> happen (When more is to be lost). This has been a wicked problem for me and 
>> I have tried to resolve it with all combinations of FF browser and plugin 
>> elimination.
>>
>> Since installing 2.8.0 this problem is now repeatable because without 
>> TiddlyFox enabled it happens on every save.
>>
>> Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download over Dropbox copy from which it 
>> was loaded abends FF, Reopen FF File not found - Firefox can't find the 
>> file at /b:/TiddlyWiki/MasterDBV4.htm - File was deleted.
>>
>> Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download to new location from which it 
>> was loaded abends FF, Reopen FF file was Not deleted.
>>
>> This means should the local file save fail care of TiddlyFox, the fall 
>> back (new 2.8.0 code) is now a guaranteed abend of FireFox) for me.
>>
>> This is not occurring with the minimum test case !
>>
>> I have disabled all Plugins containing netscape.security, From 
>> netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');
>>  including QuickEdit one of my favorite plugins but sadley the fault is 
>> still occurring.
>>
>>
>> *Request
>> Given you are currently knee deep in the save code of tiddlyWiki could 
>> you please advise what plugin code could be interfering with this process 
>> and causing abends? I will then search for this code and disable plugins to 
>> see if I can eliminate it.*
>>
>> I will undertake another plugin disable and reenable elimination process 
>> because at least now the problem is predicable (assuming its that same).
>>
>> FF Crash report below
>>
>> Regards Tony
>>
>> AdapterDeviceID: 0x0166
>> AdapterVendorID: 0x8086
>> Add-ons: 
>> tabletools2%40mingyi.org:1.17,%7B972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd%7D:21.0,jid0-lqtsBMO4PkjAOFcCt6zDcWsAXCU%40jetpack:0.2.4
>> AvailablePageFile: 2765107200
>> AvailablePhysicalMemory: 455303168
>> AvailableVirtualMemory: 520675328
>> BuildID: 20130511120803
>> CrashTime: 1370306476
>> EMCheckCompatibility: true
>> Email: anthony...@gmail.com 
>> FramePoisonBase: f0de
>> FramePoisonSize: 65536
>> InstallTime: 1370305003
>> Notes: AdapterVendorID: 0x8086, AdapterDeviceID: 0x0166, AdapterSubsysID: 
>> 00031179, AdapterDriverVersion: 8.15.10.2712
>> D2D? D2D+ DWrite? DWrite+ D3D10 Layers? D3D10 Layers+ 
>> xpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: OOM: file 
>> e:\builds\moz2_slave\rel-m-rel-w32_bld-\build\xpcom\string\src\nsTSubstring.cpp,
>>  
>> line 291)
>> ProductID: {ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}
>> ProductName: Firefox
>> ReleaseChannel: release
>> SecondsSinceLastCrash: 406
>> StartupTime: 1370306235
>> SystemMemoryUsePercentage: 86
>> Theme: classic/1.0
>> Throttleable: 1
>> TotalVirtualMemory: 2147352576
>> URL: file:///b:/TiddlyWiki/MasterDBV4.html
>> Vendor: Mozilla
>> Version: 21.0
>> Winsock_LSP: MSAFD Tcpip [TCP/IP] : 2 : 1 : 
>> %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD Tcpip [UDP/IP] : 2 : 2 :  
>>  MSAFD Tcpip [RAW/IP] : 2 : 3 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD Tcpip [TCP/IPv6] : 2 : 1 :  
>>  MSAFD Tcpip [UDP/IPv6] : 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD Tcpip [RAW/IPv6] : 2 : 3 :  
>>  RSVP TCPv6 Service Provider : 2 : 1 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  RSVP TCP Service Provider : 2 : 1 :  
>>  RSVP UDPv6 Service Provider : 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  RSVP UDP Service Provider : 2 : 2 :  
>>  VMCI sockets DGRAM : 0 : 2 : %windir%\system32\vsocklib.dll 
>>  VMCI sockets STREAM : 0 : 1 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{AF59E493-427B-4C72-A34E-DFF9B7B2142B}] SEQPACKET 17 : 
>> 2 : 5 :  
>>  MSAFD NetBIOS 
>> [\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{AF59E493-427B-4C72-A34E-DFF9

Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release

[TonyM]

If tiddlyFox is loaded it will save, but on occasion, after a period and 
some saves it seems to revert to the new code and abends
If TiddlyFox is not loaded then my MasterDBV4 tiddlywiki seems to revert to 
the new code in 2.8.0 and abends

The currently active plugins in MasterDBV4 are
AliasPlugin
BreadcrumbsPlugin
CalendarPlugin
CalendarPluginConfig
CheckboxPlugin
CommentPlugin
CookieJar
CookieManagerPlugin
CopyTiddlerPlugin
DatePlugin
DatePluginConfig
EditSectionPlugin
FootnotesPlugin
ForEachTiddlerPlugin
FramedLinksPlugin
GotoPlugin
HTMLFormattingPlugin
HideWhenPlugin
HoverMenuPlugin
InlineJavascriptPlugin
InlineTabsPlugin
InstantTimestampPlugin
ListboxPlugin
MptwLayoutPlugin
MultiTagEditorPlugin
MyCommentPlugin
NestedSlidersPlugin
NewHerePlugin
NewMeansNewPlugin
PartTiddlerPlugin
PopupMacro
QuickOpenTagPlugin
RecentChangesPlugin
ReminderPlugin
RenameTagsPlugin
RetagPlugin
SaveCloseTiddlerPlugin
SearchOptionsPlugin
SectionLinksPlugin
ShowPopupPlugin
ShowReferencesPlugin
StorySaverPlugin
StoryViewerPlugin
SystemInfoPlugin
TaggedTemplateTweak
TagglyTaggingPlugin
TagsplorerMacro
TiddlerListMacro
TiddlerNotesPlugin
TiddlersBarPlugin
ToggleTagPlugin
TrashPlugin
UndoPlugin
systemConfig
systemConfigOptions

*My Minimum test case is an empty 2.8.0 tiddlywiki*
If tiddlyFox is loaded it will save as it always used to
If TiddlyFox is not loaded then it reverts to the new code in 2.8.0 and 
works (Download Dialogue)

*My Plugin Elimination process*
Enabling TiddlyFox and Prey I do not get an abend
I then Tag sets of plugins as systemConfigDisable
Save and reload without tiddlyfox to see if an abend occurs
I seem to have reduced the set of offenders to the following
AliasPlugin
BreadcrumbsPlugin
HoverMenuPlugin
InstantTimestampPlugin
IntelliTaggerPlugin
MonkeyTaggerMacro
NewHerePlugin
that is one or more may be the cause of the immediate abend (without 
Firefox running)
However I have now got a delayed abend occurring.

When it abends in most cases the current tiddlywiki becomes Bytes in Size, 
just sometimes it does not save but remains the version when opened.

Please excuse the multiple posts, I am in fear of it abending.

Tony

On Tuesday, 4 June 2013 17:53:20 UTC+10, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> H Tony
>
> Excellent news that you can now repeat the problem reliably. When you say 
> that the crash isn't occurring with the minimum test case, do you mean that 
> you don't get the crash if you disable all the plugins in your document?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:49 AM, TonyM  >wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> I have a Serious problem exposed with TiddlyWiki 2.8.0 in a special case ?
>>
>> I think it important to report something here but I would understand that 
>> it may not be fixable at this stage. As posted by myself on a number of 
>> occasions I have been getting FireFox Abends - Closes Firefox when 
>> selecting Save Changes (Latest FireFox/TiddlyFox and earlier versions) - 
>> the problem is before 2.8.0 this* may or may not happen on any save* and 
>> it seems the longer the period without a save the more likely it will 
>> happen (When more is to be lost). This has been a wicked problem for me and 
>> I have tried to resolve it with all combinations of FF browser and plugin 
>> elimination.
>>
>> Since installing 2.8.0 this problem is now repeatable because without 
>> TiddlyFox enabled it happens on every save.
>>
>> Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download over Dropbox copy from which it 
>> was loaded abends FF, Reopen FF File not found - Firefox can't find the 
>> file at /b:/TiddlyWiki/MasterDBV4.htm - File was deleted.
>>
>> Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download to new location from which it 
>> was loaded abends FF, Reopen FF file was Not deleted.
>>
>> This means should the local file save fail care of TiddlyFox, the fall 
>> back (new 2.8.0 code) is now a guaranteed abend of FireFox) for me.
>>
>> This is not occurring with the minimum test case !
>>
>> I have disabled all Plugins containing netscape.security, From 
>> netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');
>>  including QuickEdit one of my favorite plugins but sadley the fault is 
>> still occurring.
>>
>>
>> *Request
>> Given you are currently knee deep in the save code of tiddlyWiki could 
>> you please advise what plugin code could be interfering with this process 
>> and causing abends? I will then search for this code and disable plugins to 
>> see if I can eliminate it.*
>>
>> I will undertake another plugin disable and reenable elimination process 
>> because at least now the problem is predicable (assuming its that same).
>>
>> FF Crash report below
>>
>> Regards Tony
>>
>> AdapterDeviceID: 0x0166
>> AdapterVendorID: 0x8086
>> Add

[tw] Re: Upload says "failure" but does leave a file?

[PMario]

On Monday, June 3, 2013 6:48:26 PM UTC+2, BuildHeaven wrote:
>
> Hi I'm using the upload plug in, it always tells me that it failed to 
> upload, but it seems to be dropping a file to the server whenever I don't 
> give it a name and the file it leaves just uses the same name as the local 
> one. What's going on, it seems to be the newest version being saved, so why 
> is it telling me its fialing and why doesn't it name it what I tell it to?

 
Do you use a file TW and want to upload to a server? 
Which TW version?
 - use <> in a tiddler to see it.
Do you use your own server or upload to tiddlyspot, tiddlyspace ???

As you may have seen (in this group) allready, all browser vendors did 
disable "unsecure save functions", which is causing trouble with the TW 
save mechanism. So upload from file TW to eg tiddlyspot.com is __not__ 
possible anymore. There is no fix in sight at the moment.

hope this helps
-m

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[tw] Re: A View Mode Editor and a simple Calcualtor

[Yakov]

Hi Vincent,

great stuff, nice that the wrong-heading-to-edit bug is already fixed in 
2.0.1. I've got one issue, though: can't get a whole tiddler get 
"inline-edited" (and, by the way, double-clicking contents of a tiddler 
doesn't bring the edit mode). At the same time, still #tiddlerDisplay area 
shows the border when the cursor is in some positions. Also, I suggest to 
equip "TableEditor" wikiwords in the "Data" slices of TWtid and TWted with 
"~" so that less "missing" links appear. And probably do the same in the 
"Licence" slices of all the plugins, for "TiddlyWiki" wikiword. Finally, 
let me remind the "missing cell issue": in table like this

|c11|c12|
|c21|

one can't get into the missing cell navigating with arrows which is a bit 
uncomfortable.

Nice to hear that the developing is going on!

Best regards,
Yakov.

понедельник, 3 июня 2013 г., 17:04:00 UTC+4 пользователь Vincent Yeh 
написал:
>
> As I was enjoying using the new version at work today, quite some bugs 
> showed up and got fixed, quite enough to have a bug-fix release.
>
> TWtid v2.0.1 + TWted v2.0.1 + TWtable v2.0.1 + TWtcalc v1.0.1
>
> Download links at 
> http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#%5B%5BRelease%20Note%20v2.0.1%5D%5D
>
> These versions v2.0.x were largely rewritten in the core codes, compared 
> to previously versions, mainly for
>
>1. in-line element editing capabilities in the future, and
>2. the TWElement  class for 
>easy access to wiki text on the fly.
>
> The original intention to reduce plugin size was dropped because the above 
> two features are far more interesting to me, although large table support 
> was indeed separated to TWtable.
>
> With these plugins you can easily edit, and then save and synchronize, in 
> the view mode, almost all the content in your tiddler, including
>
>1. plain text
>2. block elements (tables, lists, headers, blockquotes, pre-formatted 
>blocks)
>3. inline elements (not yet complete but soon, *strong*, *italic, **
>underlined*, super-/sub-scripts, and @@css-style; some text here@@ ...)
>4. transcluded/folded content, either fully or partially,
>   1. tiddler content transcluded with system macros <>, 
>   <>, and <>,
>   2. section content folded with <> macro.
>5. Multiply transcluded/folded copies are synchronized in the wrapper 
>(container) level, meaning if you edit the whole content in the 
>transcluded/folded wrapper, then your saved content will be synchronized 
>for all transcluded/folded copies. If you edit one of the elements 
>contained in those wrappers, however, only that element gets refreshed and 
>other copies do not. Element level synchronization is close to finish and 
>shall be available in the next one or two releases.
>
> For plugin developers interested in manipulating the wiki text on the fly, 
> please try the TWElement  class 
> and tell me how you think. Thanks.
>
> Have Fun!
>
> Vincent
>
> On Sunday, June 2, 2013 10:26:30 PM UTC+8, Vincent Yeh wrote:
>>
>>
>> TWtid v2.0.0 + TWted v2.0.0 + TWtable v2.0.0 + TWtcalc v1.0.0
>>
>> Major changes to the plugins:
>>
>>1. Introduced a class TWElement for easy access to wiki text of block 
>>elements. It will be fully available in the next release and for now you 
>>can try it in your own plugins if suitable. It is very easy to use. See 
>>http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#TWElement for a short description.
>>2. Rewrote core codes in a character-based manner (previously was 
>>line-based), for *possibilites of in-line element access* in the 
>>future releases.
>>
>> Find more info and the download links in 
>> http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#%5B%5BRelease%20Note%20v2.0.0%5D%5D.
>>
>> Have fun!
>>
>> Vincent
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 11:03:25 AM UTC+8, Vincent Yeh wrote:
>>>
>>> Ton,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the MTC file. It helped me realize how the font-size issue 
>>> came up. It was caused by some test codes that I tried randomly when I had 
>>> no idea what caused the position shift in TiddlySpace. I did those tests 
>>> quite a while ago and forgot to remove them after fixing the positioning 
>>> issue with your help. After removing them this font-size issue seems gone. 
>>> It will be in the next release. Thanks again.
>>>
>>> By the way, v1.6.4 is quite buggy as I had found and fixed some of them 
>>> yesterday. It is so because I am still midway to separate large table 
>>> support. I would suggest to stay with 1.6.3 for now if it worked out for 
>>> you.
>>>
>>> Have fun!
>>> Vincent
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 6, 2013 8:26:50 PM UTC+8, TonG wrote:

 Hi Vincent,

 An update about not being able to edit the title of a tiddler in my 
 main TW:
 1) I found the size of the font is important. I can edit the title for 
 a font-size up to and including 1.98em. From 1.99em upwards it is not 
 possi

Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release

[TonyM]

Ok,

So here is the outcome. Through a Comprehensive disabling of all plugins I 
could not identify any that were responsible. In Fact I can reproduce the 
fault *without any plugins active* at all. My TiddlyWiki 2.8.0 running on 
FireFox FF 21.0 and using TiddlyFox alpha16.

I am usually fine if I am running TiddlyFox however see below. When I am 
not running tiddlyfox and the save routine is used I all-most always 
immediately get a FF abend since updating tiddlywiki

It seems to be clear that when TiddlyFox Does its job and the new save 
routines are not used, save proceeds without fault - however after a period 
of time eventually tiddlyFox seems to fail intermittently and an presumable 
passes the save effort to another routine an abend occurs.

My TiddlyWiki is 13,728 KB in size, could there be a fault relating to this 
size, which is otherwise fine, or a timeout in TiddlyFox or tiddlywiki or 
FF when saving ?

I am starting to migrate my personal database to an alternative.

Yours Sincerely TonyM


On Tuesday, 4 June 2013 17:53:20 UTC+10, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> H Tony
>
> Excellent news that you can now repeat the problem reliably. When you say 
> that the crash isn't occurring with the minimum test case, do you mean that 
> you don't get the crash if you disable all the plugins in your document?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:49 AM, TonyM  >wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> I have a Serious problem exposed with TiddlyWiki 2.8.0 in a special case ?
>>
>> I think it important to report something here but I would understand that 
>> it may not be fixable at this stage. As posted by myself on a number of 
>> occasions I have been getting FireFox Abends - Closes Firefox when 
>> selecting Save Changes (Latest FireFox/TiddlyFox and earlier versions) - 
>> the problem is before 2.8.0 this* may or may not happen on any save* and 
>> it seems the longer the period without a save the more likely it will 
>> happen (When more is to be lost). This has been a wicked problem for me and 
>> I have tried to resolve it with all combinations of FF browser and plugin 
>> elimination.
>>
>> Since installing 2.8.0 this problem is now repeatable because without 
>> TiddlyFox enabled it happens on every save.
>>
>> Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download over Dropbox copy from which it 
>> was loaded abends FF, Reopen FF File not found - Firefox can't find the 
>> file at /b:/TiddlyWiki/MasterDBV4.htm - File was deleted.
>>
>> Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download to new location from which it 
>> was loaded abends FF, Reopen FF file was Not deleted.
>>
>> This means should the local file save fail care of TiddlyFox, the fall 
>> back (new 2.8.0 code) is now a guaranteed abend of FireFox) for me.
>>
>> This is not occurring with the minimum test case !
>>
>> I have disabled all Plugins containing netscape.security, From 
>> netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');
>>  including QuickEdit one of my favorite plugins but sadley the fault is 
>> still occurring.
>>
>>
>> *Request
>> Given you are currently knee deep in the save code of tiddlyWiki could 
>> you please advise what plugin code could be interfering with this process 
>> and causing abends? I will then search for this code and disable plugins to 
>> see if I can eliminate it.*
>>
>> I will undertake another plugin disable and reenable elimination process 
>> because at least now the problem is predicable (assuming its that same).
>>
>> FF Crash report below
>>
>> Regards Tony
>>
>> AdapterDeviceID: 0x0166
>> AdapterVendorID: 0x8086
>> Add-ons: 
>> tabletools2%40mingyi.org:1.17,%7B972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd%7D:21.0,jid0-lqtsBMO4PkjAOFcCt6zDcWsAXCU%40jetpack:0.2.4
>> AvailablePageFile: 2765107200
>> AvailablePhysicalMemory: 455303168
>> AvailableVirtualMemory: 520675328
>> BuildID: 20130511120803
>> CrashTime: 1370306476
>> EMCheckCompatibility: true
>> Email: anthony...@gmail.com 
>> FramePoisonBase: f0de
>> FramePoisonSize: 65536
>> InstallTime: 1370305003
>> Notes: AdapterVendorID: 0x8086, AdapterDeviceID: 0x0166, AdapterSubsysID: 
>> 00031179, AdapterDriverVersion: 8.15.10.2712
>> D2D? D2D+ DWrite? DWrite+ D3D10 Layers? D3D10 Layers+ 
>> xpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: OOM: file 
>> e:\builds\moz2_slave\rel-m-rel-w32_bld-\build\xpcom\string\src\nsTSubstring.cpp,
>>  
>> line 291)
>> ProductID: {ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}
>> ProductName: Firefox
>> ReleaseChannel: release
>> SecondsSinceLastCrash: 406
>> StartupTime: 1370306235
>> SystemMemoryUsePercentage: 86
>> Theme: classic/1.0
>> Throttleable: 1
>> TotalVirtualMemory: 2147352576
>> URL: file:///b:/TiddlyWiki/MasterDBV4.html
>> Vendor: Mozilla
>> Version: 21.0
>> Winsock_LSP: MSAFD Tcpip [TCP/IP] : 2 : 1 : 
>> %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD Tcpip [UDP/IP] : 2 : 2 :  
>>  MSAFD Tcpip [RAW/IP] : 2 : 3 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll 
>>  MSAFD Tcpip [TCP/IPv6] : 2 : 1 :  
>>  MSAFD T

[tw] Re: Next TiddlyWiki5 Hangout in 30 minutes

[Jeremy Ruston]

Many thanks to everyone who took part in yesterday's TiddlyWiki5 hangout.
For those that couldn't make it, there is now a video available:

http://youtu.be/jduxruwB5K4

The discussion was mostly around the topic of organising the community
contributed parts of TW5 - the plugin library, including themes, macros,
colour schemes, and so on.

The video is a shade under 2 hours long, and so maybe only for the intrepid
- it would be much appreciated if anyone is able to transcribe a summary.

Best wishes

Jeremy


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> The URL for the hangout is:
>
> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/21a91bc3cd17f84a05de5b4ae2d1336075b45be5
>
> If you can't get in, let me know,
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>> Looking forward to it. I'll post the URL here shortly,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
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>>
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[tw] Re: How to create an email link?

[cflow]

Thanks Eric, solution is nice and clean. I will add it my "wiki formatting 
guide"

On Friday, February 17, 2012 5:41:17 AM UTC+11, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> > I would like to create an email link within the text that I write in a 
> > Tiddler. 
> > want the Outlook window to open. 
> > What is the right syntax to create the email link? 
>
> Use the "mailto" protocol... 
>mailto:na...@system.com  
>
> You can also use TW "pretty link" syntax, like this: 
>[[send a message|mailto:na...@system.com ]] 
>
> enjoy, 
> -e 
> Eric Shulman 
> TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios 
>
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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release

[Branimir Braykov]

Ok, but now the upgrade process works somehow strange:
My upgraded wiki has been merged with the full TiddlyWiki.com content.
I am on Chrome, Windows7, 32bit.
Is it me or?

On Monday, June 3, 2013 10:02:57 PM UTC+3, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Jun 3, 11:32 am, BuildHeaven  wrote: 
> > Awesome! Any idea why my 2.7.2 tells me it's already upgraded to the 
> latest 
> > version when I try to update it? 
>
> oops!  There are still a few manual steps involved in posting a new 
> update to TiddlyWiki.  One of them is to put the latest TWCore in the 
> right place online for the "upgrade" process to find it.  It should be 
> fixed now. 
>
> thanks, 
>
> -e 
>

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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release

[Eric Shulman]

On Jun 4, 6:57 am, Branimir Braykov  wrote:
> Ok, but now the upgrade process works somehow strange:
> My upgraded wiki has been merged with the full TiddlyWiki.com content.
> I am on Chrome, Windows7, 32bit.
> Is it me or?

AHHH!  I posted the WRONG TW2.8.0 file for the upgrade.  It was
supposed to be the empty.html (no content), not the index.html
(tiddlywiki.com content).  I've put the corrected file in place.
Upgrading should work properly now.

-e

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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release

[Eric Shulman]

> FireFox FF 21.0 and using TiddlyFox alpha16.

The problem you are having doesn't sound like a coding error in
TiddlyWiki's file I/O handlers, but rather some kind of internal
memory leakage from FireFox.

I took a quick look through the DUMP output you posted.  Most of it is
a complete mystery, but seems like generic crash trace output.  One
line that stood out as being, perhaps, more informative, is this:
--
xpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: OOM: file
> >> e:\builds\moz2_slave\rel-m-rel-w32_bld-\build\xpcom\string\src\
> >>  nsTSubstring.cpp
--

According to mozilla.org documentation, this file is part of the
internal library that handles 8-bit and 16-bit character strings:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla_internal_string_guide
--
The string classes are a library of C++ classes which are used to
manage buffers of wide (16-bit) and narrow (8-bit) character strings.
The library headers are in the xpcom/string/public directory, and the
implementation is in the xpcom/string/src directory.
--

Do you have any FireFox browser add-ons installed?  Have you tried
using a fresh FireFox profile?

-e

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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release

[cdent]

On Jun 2, 9:01 pm, Eric Shulman  wrote:
> I'm pleased to announce that TiddlyWiki Classic v2.8.0 is now
> available for general use.
>
> The full release can be viewed/downloaded from here:
>    http://www.TiddlyWiki.com/
>
> Please see the [[WhatsNew]] tiddler for a summary of changes in this
> revision.

This version is now packaged with the latest release of
tiddlywebwiki[1] and as a result is now the default TiddlyWiki in
TiddlySpace[2].

Also, because of some adjustments Eric (thanks!) made to the build
process, various versions of TiddlyWiki are available depending on how
you set your ServerSettings[3] tiddler.

If you state

 twrelease: beta

you'll get the most recent beta (which is now older than the mainline
release).

If you state

 twrelease: beta
 external: True

You'll get the most recent beta with an externalized core.

And finally if you state:

 external: True

you'll get the current mainline with an externalized core.

You can also do things like this:

  http://cdent-t15.tiddlyspace.com/?twrelease=beta

Note that TiddlySpace will always run a few days behind Eric's release
schedule because at the moment the files are gathered up and released
in a semi manual process.


[1] http://tiddlyweb.tiddlyspace.com/tiddlywebwiki
[2] http://tiddlyspace.com
[3] http://docs.tiddlyspace.com/ServerSettings%20shadow%20tiddler

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[tw] Re: Can't import local TiddlyWiki file to Tiddlyspot.com

[Ruler11]

On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:02:00 PM UTC+4, MarkPea wrote:
>
> Hey Lara,
>
> Why no just Import tiddlers from your local TW file into the TiddlySpot? 
> That's what I would do anyway. Just open the Tiddlyspace doodah from the 
> backstage and Import/Export. Then open your local TW file and choose the 
> tiddlers that you want. There's an indication about which ones are 
> duplicates so you don't overwrite anything important.
>

I get the message "cancel Error retrieving tiddlers from url, please ensure 
this url exists and is CORS enabled".

So is Firefox 4.0 the only solution? Sounds so strange...

And can I upgrade the core of my tiddlyspot wiki?

HTH
> Mark
>
> On Monday, July 9, 2012 8:03:32 PM UTC-4, Lara wrote:
>>
>> I actually downloaded my empty HTML file from http://www.tiddlywiki.com/, 
>> so yeah, I might be lacking some plugins. I've checked out your links but 
>> I'm afraid all the steps required to test this seem a bit too much work at 
>> the moment; I'm still in the process of transferring my notes from old 
>> documents. I guess I'll stick to syncing my local files through Dropbox in 
>> the meantime, and work this out when I'm in that mode. Thank you very much 
>> for your reply, anyway. :)
>
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[tw] Who is in charge of tiddlyspot?

[Ruler11]

Can the default tiddlyspot wiki be upgraded to version 2.8.0?

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[tw] Version 2.8.0 Error while executing macro <>: RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded

[BuildHeaven]

Hi, I just upgraded yesterday and I've now got an error in my sidebar. 
Apparently I have too many tiddlers. Is there away to remove the limits or 
something. I have these tiddlers because I need them. I also need to see 
them all in the list some how and it stops itself so I cant find what I 
want unless I know EXACTLY what to search for. Thank you.

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[tw] Re: Upload says "failure" but does leave a file?

[BuildHeaven]

Hi, It seems to be working for me know. I've upgraded to 2.0.8 since I 
wrote this post.

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 3:17:11 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>
> On Monday, June 3, 2013 6:48:26 PM UTC+2, BuildHeaven wrote:
>>
>> Hi I'm using the upload plug in, it always tells me that it failed to 
>> upload, but it seems to be dropping a file to the server whenever I don't 
>> give it a name and the file it leaves just uses the same name as the local 
>> one. What's going on, it seems to be the newest version being saved, so why 
>> is it telling me its fialing and why doesn't it name it what I tell it to?
>
>  
> Do you use a file TW and want to upload to a server? 
> Which TW version?
>  - use <> in a tiddler to see it.
> Do you use your own server or upload to tiddlyspot, tiddlyspace ???
>
> As you may have seen (in this group) allready, all browser vendors did 
> disable "unsecure save functions", which is causing trouble with the TW 
> save mechanism. So upload from file TW to eg tiddlyspot.com is __not__ 
> possible anymore. There is no fix in sight at the moment.
>
> hope this helps
> -m
>
>

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[tw] Version 2.8.0 Error while executing macro <>: RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded

[BuildHeaven]

Hi, I just upgraded yesterday and I've now got an error in my sidebar (it 
appears at the bottom . Apparently I have too many tiddlers. Is there away 
to remove the limits or something. I have these tiddlers because I need 
them. I also need to see them all in the list some how and it stops itself 
so I cant find what I want unless I know EXACTLY what to search for. Thank 
you.

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[tw] Re: Next TiddlyWiki5 Hangout in 30 minutes

[PMario]

I did add some timeline comments (in reverse order) that helps me to find 
stuff :)
-m

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[tw] Hwo to edit the "backstage" menu or "Upload" options content

[BuildHeaven]

Hi everyone, I'm using the UploadPlugin on version 2.8.0 and I would like 
to edit the upload options screen which is available via the 
backstage>Upload buttons. I just want to copy my store.php url into it so 
that I can copy past it every time I need to save to web. I use this TW all 
the time from multiple devices and I don't want to have to type the URL in 
every time I save it which might be once every 5 minutes or 20 times a day. 
If you know an easier way to make it store that input that would be great 
too. I would love it if I could just use this like a regular website login. 
is there a plug in for that so that I can just log in with a ID and 
password and it will let me edit and save? It would be great to just enter 
an ID and password and click a "remember me" checkbox and not have to fret 
with it anymore. 

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[tw] Re: Tiddly Backpack

[Mat]

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 8:26:01 AM UTC+2, cflow wrote:
>
>
> I would love to look at the project if its available anywhere for download?
>

Via special trickery:

http://web.archive.org/web/20120902194622/http://tiddlybackpack.com/?

step back in time there to sept 2, 2012

<:-)
 

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[tw] Re: Hwo to edit the "backstage" menu or "Upload" options content

[Måns]

Hi BuildHeaven

> Hi everyone, I'm using the UploadPlugin on version 2.8.0 and I would like
> to edit the upload options screen which is available via the
> backstage>Upload buttons. I just want to copy my store.php url into it

In the backstage dialog you get some parameters you can use for
hardcoding values:

Create a (plugin)tiddler called something like zzConfig and tag it
with systemConfig
(zz* is to ensure that your plugin (plugins are tagged with
systemConfig) is loaded after all other plugins have been loaded.)

For defining "txtUploadUserName" write:
config.options.txtUploadUserName="username";
For defining "pasUploadPassword" write:
config.options.pasUploadPassword="password";
(Be aware that anyone can make changes and upload them if you have set/
hardcoded both the correct password and username in your TW!!)
txtUploadStoreUrl
config.options.txtUploadStoreUrl="http://yourURL/store.php";;
If your store.php is in the same dir as your index.html (TW) it
shouldnt be neccesary to write anything as it defaults to :
store.php..

Same procedure for the rest of them...

If you just want it to remember the "txtUploadStoreUrl" you should end
up with a tiddler called zzConfig tagged with systemConfig and a
single line:
config.options.txtUploadStoreUrl="http://yourURL/store.php";;

Save and reload the document..


> I would love it if I could just use this like a regular website login.
> is there a plug in for that so that I can just log in with a ID and
> password and it will let me edit and save? It would be great to just enter
> an ID and password and click a "remember me" checkbox and not have to fret 
> with it anymore.

What you ask for is provided by TiddlySpot and TiddlySpace.
If you need to use your own server for your documents you can install
BidiX's TiddlyHome package to get morel possibilities for saving, than
you have now.
Private mode (No one can view it unless they log in - similar to
TiddlySpot's private mode - or TiddlySpace's Private mode...)
Shared mode (You can let another user - or group of users have write
access to your wiki - they can't delete it)
Normal mode (Everyone can read your content - but they can't edit
it..)

There's an even simpler way to get a standard login via the php script
"MicroTiddlyServer" provided by Athman Boukhaoua.

Search for MicroTiddlyServer on this group and you'll find it.
I've had a few problems with it - however it might work well in your
case..

Good luck

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

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[tw] Re: Version 2.8.0 Error while executing macro <>: RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded

[PMario]

Hi, 
I did see this behaviour once but it went away before I could track it 
down. 
For me it helped to remove the TiddlyWiki cookie. 

With FireFox you can open the web dev tool with 
the following command: "cookie remove TiddlyWiki" should remove it.

Reload the page and see what happens. 

Chrome dev tools are  .. tab resources: Cookies: 
your.tw.name.something


Or you can go with your browsers settings menues. There should be a cookie 
settings menu somewhere.

hope this helps
-mario

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[tw] Re: Next TiddlyWiki5 Hangout in 30 minutes

[David Gifford]

Trying to watch and do grading for my class at the same time.

Sorry I missed it! I got working on something else, and when I remembered 
the hangout, it was probably just ending! (smacking my forehead as I type)

Dave

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 12:40:48 PM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>
> I did add some timeline comments (in reverse order) that helps me to find 
> stuff :)
> -m
>

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[tw] Re: Next TiddlyWiki5 Hangout in 30 minutes

[David Gifford]

Hey! I heard the name "giffmex"! More than once! hahaha

Dave

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 4:47:32 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Trying to watch and do grading for my class at the same time.
>
> Sorry I missed it! I got working on something else, and when I remembered 
> the hangout, it was probably just ending! (smacking my forehead as I type)
>
> Dave
>
> On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 12:40:48 PM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>>
>> I did add some timeline comments (in reverse order) that helps me to find 
>> stuff :)
>> -m
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Tiddly Backpack

[cflow]

Thanks Mat! You sir, are a wizard! No flux capacitor needed :)

On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 4:46:30 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 8:26:01 AM UTC+2, cflow wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would love to look at the project if its available anywhere for 
>> download?
>>
>
> Via special trickery:
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20120902194622/http://tiddlybackpack.com/?
>
> step back in time there to sept 2, 2012
>
> <:-)
>  
>

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[tw] Re: Tiddly Backpack

[cflow]

I might be missing something, but the resulting document does not work as 
the author intended I think. Possible technology has moved too far along 
since creation date?

I can create an record, add note or terminal note to the record, drag the 
items into a different order.
I can't add to sidebar, add items to the home page. On refresh the file 
re-establishes as base line. No save possible?
Tried in IE8 and Chrome :(

Not worried though. 

   1. The functionality of "Add to Sidebar" I already have by making the 
   Main Navigation derive from a tiddler tag.
   2. The formatting for "terminal" seems like something I can duplicate 
   for specific task types in my TeamTasks set-up. 


/* Terminal styling --- */ 
pre.terminal { color: 
> #63FF00; background: #000; font: normal 12px "bitstream vera sans mono", 
> monaco "lucida console", "courier new", courier, serif; margin: 0.9em 0; 
> padding: 8px; overflow: auto; }

 

 

On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 9:11:18 AM UTC+10, cflow wrote:
>
> Thanks Mat! You sir, are a wizard! No flux capacitor needed :)
>
> On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 4:46:30 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 8:26:01 AM UTC+2, cflow wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I would love to look at the project if its available anywhere for 
>>> download?
>>>
>>
>> Via special trickery:
>>
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20120902194622/http://tiddlybackpack.com/?
>>
>> step back in time there to sept 2, 2012
>>
>> <:-)
>>  
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release

[TonyM]

Eric,

Thanks for some analysis on this. I have had the FF abend problem for some 
time, This has been occurring under a number of different FF versions, 
TiddlyFox and plugin combinations including no FF extensions. In the tests 
presented by me in this thread only TiddlyFox (or not), Table Tools2 1.17 
and Copy HTML 0.2.4 were installed and enabled.

I have disabled all FF Extensions (Not plugins) including TiddlyFox (and 
disabled TiddlyLockPlugin) and the problem still occurs.

I wonder why the dump refers to E:\ which is not on my machine. ?

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, 5 June 2013 00:24:57 UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> > FireFox FF 21.0 and using TiddlyFox alpha16. 
>
> The problem you are having doesn't sound like a coding error in 
> TiddlyWiki's file I/O handlers, but rather some kind of internal 
> memory leakage from FireFox. 
>
> I took a quick look through the DUMP output you posted.  Most of it is 
> a complete mystery, but seems like generic crash trace output.  One 
> line that stood out as being, perhaps, more informative, is this: 
> -- 
> xpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: OOM: file 
> > >> 
> e:\builds\moz2_slave\rel-m-rel-w32_bld-\build\xpcom\string\src\ 
> nsTSubstring.cpp 
> -- 
>
> According to mozilla.org documentation, this file is part of the 
> internal library that handles 8-bit and 16-bit character strings: 
>
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla_internal_string_guide 
> -- 
> The string classes are a library of C++ classes which are used to 
> manage buffers of wide (16-bit) and narrow (8-bit) character strings. 
> The library headers are in the xpcom/string/public directory, and the 
> implementation is in the xpcom/string/src directory. 
> -- 
>
> Do you have any FireFox browser add-ons installed?  Have you tried 
> using a fresh FireFox profile? 
>
> -e 
>

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[tw] Re: Next TiddlyWiki5 Hangout in 30 minutes

[David Gifford]

Okay, listened to the whle Youtube video while multitasking. My 
comments and reactions:

1. No mention was made of the drafts of initial end-user documentation I 
wrote up, and Jeremy hasn't followed up with me regarding a TiddlySpot or 
TiddlySpace in which he was going to store that documentation. Is that 
still on the table? Or maybe it wasn't what you were looking for? What is 
happening with that?

2. I am dabbling with a script for a rough draft of a video that could go 
on TiddlyWiki5 for end-users. I will record it and add some VERY 
rudimentary visuals to it as I am able.

3. I am beginning to think that TiddlyWiki5 itself is not the best place to 
have links to the themes, plugins, macros, guides, examples, tutorials, etc.
a. I think TiddlyWiki5 should have a tab called "Customize" or "Pimp your 
notes" or "Goodies" or something like that, and in the tab, there is one 
external link "Find themes for your TiddlyWiki" that takes you to an 
official TW full of themes and style hacks, moderated via Github, but where 
the new user doesn't even have to know about Github to access it.
b. In the same tab would be a second external link called "Find goodies for 
your TiddlyWiki" that opens the official plugin/widget/macro TiddlyWiki. 
Again, this TiddlyWiki would be moderated via Github, but all the new user 
would see are the tiddlers, which again they can drag and drop to their own 
TioddlyWikis. 
Entering either of these would function like a grab bag of free stuff you 
can pilfer to your heart's content and add to your own TiddlyWikis. Kind of 
like the webpage for Firefox addons. This idea is so that TiddlyWiki5 
doesn't get either too bloated, filesize wise, or too complicated to 
navigate. It is also so that there is a quick way to get to the official 
themes, goodies, adaptations, etc that make TiddlyWiki so addicting and 
customizable.
c. There could also be an external link from TW5 to a separate site, 
probably not a TiddlyWiki, with guides, testimonials, tutorials, examples, 
links to user adaptations, and community. Not sure what that would look 
like, but should be easy for users to navigate via a dead simple TOC to get 
to what they need. Part social connection, part Google groups, part toolbox?

4. For the record, you Facebook haters, I use Facebook every day! But then 
I live and work in a second culture and it is a great way to keep up with 
people back home, and also connect with students and others outside of 
seminary, etc. I know what I need it for, and limit myself to that. You 
guys did the kneejerk negative reaction, but since you didn't explain 
yourselves, I am inclined to see it as "pick on the big popular site just 
because it is big and popular", or something along those lines. Oh, you 
hipsters! LOL. But seriously, I would love to hear what your actual 
reasoning for hating on Facebook is.

Anyway, couldn't be there this time, because I got distracted, but here are 
my follow up comments for what they are worth. Blessings

Dave


On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 5:34:44 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hey! I heard the name "giffmex"! More than once! hahaha
>
> Dave
>
> On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 4:47:32 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Trying to watch and do grading for my class at the same time.
>>
>> Sorry I missed it! I got working on something else, and when I remembered 
>> the hangout, it was probably just ending! (smacking my forehead as I type)
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 12:40:48 PM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>>>
>>> I did add some timeline comments (in reverse order) that helps me to 
>>> find stuff :)
>>> -m
>>>
>>

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[tw] TiddlyWiki 5 rough draft of video script.

[David Gifford]

Hi all

One thing Jeremy mentioned in the most recent TW hangout is the need for an 
introductory video to TW. I am not very good at video editing, nor do I 
have a good voice for narrating. But I think I could write up a script and 
do a rough video that others could then clean up for the release of TW5.

So here is my unfinished rough draft for a script for a video intro to 
TiddlyWiki 5, below the dashes. I would love your feedback. Is there 
anything really basic that is missing? Is there anything that needs to be 
clearer for new people? Is there anything that doesn't make sense or isn't 
correct?

-

Unless you’ve seen TiddlyWiki, we guarantee you, you’ve never seen anything 
like TiddlyWiki.

TiddlyWiki is a tool, a toolbox, and a community.

*TiddlyWiki is first of all a tool:* a downloadable tool for capturing and 
organizing content from the web, from your documents or from your brain. 
It’s a tool for note-taking, bookmarking, pinning, writing, managing to-do 
lists and projects, collaborating, blogging, and publishing. You can easily 
create or paste content into notes called tiddlers, then connect your 
tiddlers with hyperlinks and tags. You can even stack individual tiddlers 
like building blocks to create longer notes like articles, lists and 
presentations.

In addition to being a tool, *TiddlyWiki is also a toolbox:* where other 
note-taking products hook you with the basic program then charge you for 
the really helpful features, TiddlyWiki has an ever-expanding collection of 
completely free visual themes, plugins, widgets and macros, which you can 
then mix and match so that you can tweak and tailor your TiddlyWiki to get 
it just the way you want it.

*TiddlyWiki is also a community:* a community of users and developers who 
help each other imagine new ways of thinking and organizing, who help each 
other create new solutions so that TiddlyWiki is continually adapting to 
better serve your needs.

You can download as many stand-alone TiddlyWiki files as you want. You can 
create one for each topic or project, if you wish. You can use TiddlyWiki 
as a single, ever-expanding file, or you can use it to manage each of your 
note tiddlers as separate files. You can also store and use TiddlyWikis at 
secure websites like TiddlySpot and TiddlySpace, so that you can access and 
edit your TiddlyWiki from anywhere, and you can even share tiddlers back 
and forth with others.

TiddlyWiki has so many features and creates so many possibilities, that it 
may seem intimidating at first. But the basic steps to TiddlyWiki are 
really simple:

1.   *Create.* Just click on the plus icon to the right to create a 
note called a tiddler. Give it a title in the top window, tag it as 
desired, and add content to the large window. Then click the checkbox when 
you’re done editing it to view the results. Clicking on the pen icon in any 
tiddler opens it up in edit mode so that you can modify it. You can also 
drag and drop images from your device into TiddlyWiki, and they are 
automatically turned into tiddlers. These tiddlers are displayed in a 
vertical river of tiddlers. You can scroll up and down to navigate the 
river, or jump back and forth between them using the links in the “open” 
tab. You can also see what tiddlers reference the present tiddler in their 
links and tags, by clicking on the information icon.

2.   *Connect.* TiddlyWiki uses hyperlinks and tags to allow you to 
connect your tiddlers to each other. 

a.   You can create *hyperlinks* within any tiddler that link to either 
external webpages or to other tiddlers in your TiddlyWiki. Just use camel 
case lettering (alternating between upper and lower case letters) to create 
links, or enclose multiple word texts with double brackets. Clicking on 
links to existing tiddlers opens them. Clicking on empty links creates a 
new tiddler with that title.

b.  Another way to link tiddlers is by adding *tags*. Tags are a great 
and flexible way to associate similar tiddlers by topic or category. You 
can add tags to the tag window when you edit your tiddler.

3.  *Save.* You can save your changes to Tiddlywiki by clicking the 
save button. If you are currently viewing TiddlyWiki at the official 
TiddlyWiki site, the save button will download a copy of your TiddlyWiki in 
its current state to your device. If you create a TiddlyWiki at TiddlySpot 
or Tiddlyspace, the save button will update the file at their server. If 
you are viewing a copy you have saved to your device, the save button will 
create a copy of your file. Either way, you can continue working without 
leaving the current file until you are ready to save again. *(I know this 
isn't working right yet, at least not for me. But if I understand TW5, this 
description approximates the final goal)*

4.   *Fetch.* Are your notes buried in a closed tiddler somewhere in 
TiddlyWiki? Not to worry! You can use the lightning fast search window to 
search for tiddlers. Or y