[tw] Re: [TW5] Changing an Image from Embedded to _canonical_uri

2015-01-24 Thread Astrid Elocson
A very interesting link – thank you, Mario.

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[tw] Re: Is it possible to get a list of unique values of a single field?

2015-01-24 Thread Astrid Elocson
 I guess it was not intended to operate on a list of tiddlers.

It's implemented like any other filter operator, taking an input list and 
producing an output list.

 I think it should rather be *[has[type]each[type]get[type]*... not 
returning blanks.

But *get* never returns blanks, although *each* does return tiddlers in 
which the field in question is blank. So on tiddlywiki.com at present, 
*[each[color]]* returns six titles, whereas *[get[color]]* and 
*[each[get[color]]* return five.

 But perhaps there is a case where you do want specifically declared 
blanks, rather than undefined.

In exploring the *title* operator today, I've discovered that it supports 
negation (previously undocumented). *title[x]* is absolute, ignoring its 
input. But *!title[x]* is relative, and serves to filter out *x* from the 
input. Oddly, though, it doesn't filter out *x* if *x* doesn't exist as a 
tiddler. So we can't use *!title[]* to filter out blanks from other lists.

 I was about to extend *each*, so it does handle list fields

So that, given one tiddler with list *A B C* and another with list *A C E G*, 
it would return *A B C E G*? That sounds like a relative form of the *list* 
operator: *[tag[foo]list:relative[]]*. Or an absolute form of it that 
somehow took a *list* of text references as its parameter.

 Perhaps it should rather be: *[tag[foo]get:list[]]* or *[**tag[foo]*
*get:list[my-list-field]]* with the behaviour you describe

That would also be logical. In fact, the concept of unpacking a list into 
an array is so useful that maybe it deserves its own unsuffixed operator.

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[tw] Re: Is it possible to get a list of unique values of a single field?

2015-01-24 Thread Astrid Elocson
One othe related oddity of the *list* operator is that it behaves very 
differently when negated:

* *[list[t!!f]]* is absolute, and outputs the titles listed in field *f* of 
tiddler *t*
* *[tag[foo]!list[t!!f]]* is relative, and outputs any foo-tagged titles 
that are not listed in field *f* of tiddler *t*

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[tw] [TW5] Static sites - sitemap and ATOM plugins updated...

2015-01-24 Thread Jim Lehmer

*ATOM feed *- https://github.com/dullroar/TW5-atomfeed
*Sitemap *- https://github.com/dullroar/TW5-sitemap

Both contain the following bug fixes:

1. Use the approved TW date formatting (/$tw.utils.formatDateString()/), 
per Mario's suggestion on 1/18 (thanks, Mario).
2. Gracefully handle tiddlers that do not have a modified field, per the 
bug sini-Kit reported on 1/18 (thanks, sini-Kit).
3. Use their respective /atomserver///sitemapserver/ tiddlers to specify 
the server URL to use throughout the output files (I was using them in 
some places but not others).


I hadn't forgotten about these, just life with work, running, a wife and 
daughter in college, and two teens still in high school and both 
involved in extracurricular activities plays havoc with trying to get 
any fun work done. :)


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[tw] Re: Punjabi Translation

2015-01-24 Thread Birthe C
I did the same thing in the danish translation. To be honest I do not know 
a danish word for some of the words, never heard it. A lot of english words 
are mixed into danish in normal talk and articles.


Birthe


On Saturday, January 24, 2015 at 8:11:16 PM UTC+1, Atul Grover wrote:

 Thanks Tobias,

 You are right... a few words need to remain in Internationally recognized 
 notation.
 As regards 'parser and other such words, one can decide only after using 
 the wiki.
 I guess a translation goes through a draft or two before it becomes usable 
 in the true sense.

 I shall use the translated version for a while and submit another version 
 (with better acceptability).

 Regards
 Atul



 On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 1:02:55 PM UTC+5:30, Atul Grover wrote:

 Hi Jeremy,

 Here is my first translation for North Indian audience. 

 Regards




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[tw] Re: Is it possible to get a list of unique values of a single field?

2015-01-24 Thread cmari
Example...
each of type @ filters http://filters.tiddlyspot.com/#each%20of%20type

One pedantic footnote about the each approach, from experience: obviously 
if only one tiddler in your file contains a particular field value, e.g., 
[myfieldname[fieldvalue*1*]], if you use your radio button to change that 
tiddler's field value to [myfieldname[fieldvalue*2*]], then fieldvalue*1 *will 
no longer appear as an option in the radio button list.  For my use case, I 
found I still needed to create placeholder tiddlers containing the 
fieldvalues that I wanted to be always available for selection. 
cmari

On Saturday, January 24, 2015 at 7:41:37 AM UTC-8, Tobias Beer wrote:

 Why is *get* special, such that *[get[type]]* doesn't mean 
 *[each[type]get[type]*?


 I think it boils down to a matter of implementation. Possibly *get *came 
 after *each *and was designed for the purpose of fetching a single 
 tiddler's field, e.g. to set a variable. I guess it was not intended to 
 operate on a list of tiddlers. But the behaviour you sugest sounds like a 
 meaningful expectation because those duplicates really are undesired. 
 Otherwise, we'd need another *unique* filter operand to get rid of the 
 duplicates.

 So, theoretically, I think it could operate like *each*, but then I think 
 it should rather be *[has[type]each[type]get[type]*... not returning 
 blanks. But perhaps there is a case where you do want specifically declared 
 blanks, rather than undefined.

 I was about to extend *each*, so it does handle list fields, e.g. 
 *[each:list[]]* or *[each:list[my-list-field]*. But now I am thinking 
 that this isn't consistent with the way *each* actually works right now.

 Perhaps it should rather be: *[tag[foo]get:list[]]* or *[**tag[foo]*
 *get:list[my-list-field]]* with the behaviour you describe, thus 
 returning individual tiddler references of list fields, not those distinct 
 combinations or values thereof that would be returned now.

 Best wishes, Tobias.


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[tw] Re: Is it possible to get a list of unique values of a single field?

2015-01-24 Thread Astrid Elocson
 In fact, the concept of unpacking a list into an array is so useful that 
 maybe 
it deserves its own unsuffixed operator.

And come to think of it, that operator already exists: it's 
*list[tiddler!!field]*. What's needed is the reverse of that, so that the 
parameter (*tiddler!!field*) can be specified as the input instead.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Strange duplicate display of tiddlywiki in browser window

2015-01-24 Thread PMario
This TW is definitely broken. An empty.html file is at least 1.2 MByte in 
size. You file is smaller, so you may have downloaded it with File: Save as 
dialog, which doesn't work. 

Click the big green button download empty or download full and try 
again.

-m

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TED Talks TW - Learning Stuff by building stuff

2015-01-24 Thread RichShumaker
Alberto,

I just searched and didn't find Jeremy's name.
That doesn't mean he didn't do a talk as they don't post all talks.

If anyone knows any TED Talks that might mention TiddlyWiki let me know.

Thanks.

Rich Shumaker

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[tw] Re: Is it possible to get a list of unique values of a single field?

2015-01-24 Thread Tobias Beer


 obviously if only one tiddler in your file contains a particular field 
 value, e.g., [myfieldname[fieldvalue*1*]], if you use your radio button 
 to change that tiddler's field value to [myfieldname[fieldvalue*2*]], 
 then fieldvalue*1 *will no longer appear as an option in the radio button 
 list.


Yes, that is true... at which point your ui should also provide a way to 
add a yet undefined new type.
 

 For my use case, I found I still needed to create placeholder tiddlers 
 containing the fieldvalues that I wanted to be always available for 
 selection.


I would think for most usecases it is the best approach to define the 
options in a precise spot, rather than take them from existing values. 
However, selecting anything via radio-buttons does not necessarily mean to 
change any of the tiddlers from which the options were constructed.

It only means to make a selection, perhaps for some dependent ui that 
generates desired output. So, the radio button would actually set some 
state or temporary tiddler.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in Node WebKit

2015-01-24 Thread Arlen Beiler
Not to confuse things, but here is a simpler way of running the github
files which does not require any modifications to package.json, and only
uses index.htm. https://gist.github.com/Arlen22/45f1a460c9e348fa50ad

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Arlen Beiler arlen...@gmail.com wrote:

 You can have multiple wikis if you use different editions. Each edition
 folder is a wiki. In nodewebkit.js, that's what  $tw.boot.argv =
 ['./editions/server']; is. You could possibly add a command line
 argument. That'd be something to explore on the node-webkit side. Running
 at the same time? Not right now I don't think. Well, maybe. You'd still
 have to run it as a second instance.

 On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Danielo Rodríguez rdani...@gmail.com
 wrote:



 El sábado, 24 de enero de 2015, 0:56:31 (UTC+1), Arlen Beiler escribió:

 Actually, I just read over your emails again, and finally saw the second
 line that you posted ( Not allowed to load local resource: ). Definitely
 check that index.htm is set right in package.json. I just tried changing
 the name to something wrong, and that is the error I get. Hope that helps.
  :)
 -Arlen


 I feel so dumb!!! Stupid, stupid boy!
 That was the problem. In this case, the lack of L at the end of the
 extension. After that, it worked like a charm. I have very bad eye for
 details like this. Thank you so much, for both, helping my making this
 working AND creating the instructions for  using the NODE.JS version of TW
 as a single application.

 Now it's time to see how can we have multiple wikis without having
 multiple copies of the TW5 repo or node-webkit.

 THANK YOU!

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[tw] Re: Title vs Caption. Why should titles be unique? Is there an internal ID for each tiddler?

2015-01-24 Thread Tobias Beer


 Maybe this discussion is worth reading:

 preventing tiddler-links to break by using ids as reference that translate 
 into titles. 
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21searchin/tiddlywiki/id$20field%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/Y1V7oyBLpSs/zQb6grcJcPIJ
 https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/Y1V7oyBLpSs/discussion


And a related issue...

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1342

Best wishes, Tobias. 

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[tw] Re: Is it possible to get a list of unique values of a single field?

2015-01-24 Thread Tobias Beer


 Why is *get* special, such that *[get[type]]* doesn't mean 
 *[each[type]get[type]*?


I think it boils down to a matter of implementation. Possibly *get *came 
after *each *and was designed for the purpose of fetching a single 
tiddler's field, e.g. to set a variable. I guess it was not intended to 
operate on a list of tiddlers. But the behaviour you sugest sounds like a 
meaningful expectation because those duplicates really are undesired. 
Otherwise, we'd need another *unique* filter operand to get rid of the 
duplicates.

So, theoretically, I think it could operate like *each*, but then I think 
it should rather be *[has[type]each[type]get[type]*... not returning 
blanks. But perhaps there is a case where you do want specifically declared 
blanks, rather than undefined.

I was about to extend *each*, so it does handle list fields, e.g. 
*[each:list[]]* or *[each:list[my-list-field]*. But now I am thinking that 
this isn't consistent with the way *each* actually works right now.

Perhaps it should rather be: *[tag[foo]get:list[]]* or *[**tag[foo]*
*get:list[my-list-field]]* with the behaviour you describe, thus returning 
individual tiddler references of list fields, not those distinct 
combinations or values thereof that would be returned now.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Changing an Image from Embedded to _canonical_uri

2015-01-24 Thread Tobias Beer


 Probably this: From hangout #38 11.March.2014

 1:03:54 Jeremy- proposal: .. hiding internal tiddler fields, because they 
 are immutable ... discussion.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421914688v=6obIvP5NiQ4x-yt-cl=84503534feature=player_detailpage#t=3834
 about 10 minutes

 This was the initial proposal of making tiddlers immutable, so plugin 
 authors have to use the provided functions to manipulate the tw store.


Thanks Mario! Will definitely take a look.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Is it possible to get a list of unique values of a single field?

2015-01-24 Thread Astrid Elocson
Hi Alan,

It's interesting you mention this, because I was on the verge of posting 
something to the Dev group about this yesterday.

The *get* operator will output a list of the values in a specified field in 
its input tiddlers: *[tag[Example]get[my-field]]*. But the output can 
contain duplicates.

This is odd, because every other filter operator takes care to avoid 
outputting duplicates. I wonder if *get* is *intended* to be different. Or 
is this an oversight that ought to be fixed?

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TED Talks TW - Learning Stuff by building stuff

2015-01-24 Thread RichShumaker
Fixed that issue.

Thanks again BJ.

Rich Shumaker

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Easy clickable images

2015-01-24 Thread Jon
Excellent!
Thanks, Jon

On Friday, 23 January 2015 23:20:06 UTC, Tobias Beer wrote:

 Nice, added intructions here...

 http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#SVG-Edit

 Best wishes, Tobias.


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[tw] Re: Is it possible to get a list of unique values of a single field?

2015-01-24 Thread Tobias Beer
Use the each filter...

$list filter=[each[type]get[type]] variable=type
$radio field=type value=typetype/$radiobr
/$list

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Re: [tw] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in Node WebKit

2015-01-24 Thread Danielo Rodríguez


El sábado, 24 de enero de 2015, 0:56:31 (UTC+1), Arlen Beiler escribió:

 Actually, I just read over your emails again, and finally saw the second 
 line that you posted ( Not allowed to load local resource: ). Definitely 
 check that index.htm is set right in package.json. I just tried changing 
 the name to something wrong, and that is the error I get. Hope that helps. 
  :)
 -Arlen


I feel so dumb!!! Stupid, stupid boy!
That was the problem. In this case, the lack of L at the end of the 
extension. After that, it worked like a charm. I have very bad eye for 
details like this. Thank you so much, for both, helping my making this 
working AND creating the instructions for  using the NODE.JS version of TW 
as a single application. 

Now it's time to see how can we have multiple wikis without having multiple 
copies of the TW5 repo or node-webkit.

THANK YOU!

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[tw] Re: Is it possible to get a list of unique values of a single field?

2015-01-24 Thread Astrid Elocson
Interesting.

Why is *get* special, such that *[get[type]]* doesn't mean 
*[each[type]get[type]*?

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[tw] Re: Is it possible to get a list of unique values of a single field?

2015-01-24 Thread Tobias Beer
Example...

each of type @ filters http://filters.tiddlyspot.com/#each%20of%20type

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TED Talks TW - Learning Stuff by building stuff

2015-01-24 Thread Alberto Molina
I thought Jeremy or someone else did a TED talk about TW. 

Hélas ! 

Alberto

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[tw] Re: Title vs Caption. Why should titles be unique? Is there an internal ID for each tiddler?

2015-01-24 Thread Felix Küppers
Maybe this discussion is worth reading:

preventing tiddler-links to break by using ids as reference that translate 
into titles. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21searchin/tiddlywiki/id$20field%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/Y1V7oyBLpSs/zQb6grcJcPIJ
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/Y1V7oyBLpSs/discussion

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[tw] Re: Is it possible to get a list of unique values of a single field?

2015-01-24 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Hello,

I have this exact setup for a dropdown of categories for my bookmarks.
It is fairly simple with the use of the each operand:

$list filter=[tag[bookmark]each[topic]]

Regards.

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Re: [tw] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in Node WebKit

2015-01-24 Thread Arlen Beiler
You can have multiple wikis if you use different editions. Each edition
folder is a wiki. In nodewebkit.js, that's what  $tw.boot.argv =
['./editions/server']; is. You could possibly add a command line argument.
That'd be something to explore on the node-webkit side. Running at the same
time? Not right now I don't think. Well, maybe. You'd still have to run it
as a second instance.

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Danielo Rodríguez rdani...@gmail.com
wrote:



 El sábado, 24 de enero de 2015, 0:56:31 (UTC+1), Arlen Beiler escribió:

 Actually, I just read over your emails again, and finally saw the second
 line that you posted ( Not allowed to load local resource: ). Definitely
 check that index.htm is set right in package.json. I just tried changing
 the name to something wrong, and that is the error I get. Hope that helps.
  :)
 -Arlen


 I feel so dumb!!! Stupid, stupid boy!
 That was the problem. In this case, the lack of L at the end of the
 extension. After that, it worked like a charm. I have very bad eye for
 details like this. Thank you so much, for both, helping my making this
 working AND creating the instructions for  using the NODE.JS version of TW
 as a single application.

 Now it's time to see how can we have multiple wikis without having
 multiple copies of the TW5 repo or node-webkit.

 THANK YOU!

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Changing an Image from Embedded to _canonical_uri

2015-01-24 Thread PMario
On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 12:54:41 AM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:

 Presumably the reason for freezing the fields is to force all 
 modifications to go through a single point – namely *addTiddler* – to 
 guarantee that the display gets refreshed in response.


 Let's wait and see what the master will add as a rationale to all this. I 
 sure appreciate the fact that whomever wishes to modify a tiddler is forced 
 to think about it more thoroughly. 


Probably this: From hangout #38 11.March.2014

1:03:54 Jeremy- proposal: .. hiding internal tiddler fields, because they 
are immutable ... discussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421914688v=6obIvP5NiQ4x-yt-cl=84503534feature=player_detailpage#t=3834
about 10 minutes

This was the initial proposal of making tiddlers immutable, so plugin 
authors have to use the provided functions to manipulate the tw store.

Like Astrid stated:

Presumably the reason for freezing the fields is to force all modifications 
 to go through a single point – namely *addTiddler* – to guarantee that 
 the display gets refreshed in response.



have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: Trouble importing plugins

2015-01-24 Thread BJ
issue opened
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1415

cheers


On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 9:52:15 AM UTC-6, Pedro Lobo wrote:

 Sure thing BJ,

 I'm running OS X Yosemite, all updates installed. Browser, I tried both 
 with Firefox (v35.0) and Safari (v8.0.2).

 Cheers,
 Pedro

 On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 11:33:06 AM UTC, Pedro Lobo wrote:

 Hi Everybody,

 I'm rather new to TiddlyWiki, but it looks promising so I decided to give 
 it a try for a while. I opted to got the server route, installed it via NPM 
 and have it up and running. However, I've stumbled upon something that 
 could possibly be a deal breaker:

 I prefer to do my writing using Markdown (hate Wiki text). When trying to 
 import the Markdown plugin, it simply fails. Rather than the expected 
 result, I get this instead of the plugin: 
 http://ds.lobo.li/Screen-Shot-2015-01-22-at-11.31.48/

 Any help would greatly be appreciated.



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