date:20170619

I agree. Let the address do the work. Its much better that way because its 
not messed up by local concerns about space & wording. 

Part of my issue, I think, has been discussion that makes it like WE need 
to solve the issue. We do NOT need to solve the issue. Its already solved 
9.6 times out of ten. Its much more about linkage than anything, I think.

J.

On Monday, 19 June 2017 23:47:42 UTC+2, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Have a look at how Wikipedia deals with this. In an article you see just 
> an image: 
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apricot_Portable
>
> If you click on an image you see author (, publisher) and license 
> immediately without having to open the image (jpg, png, wathever) in a 
> special software or in source code view: 
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apricot_Portable#/media/File%3AApricot_portable.png
>
> I think this is how license and copyright owner should be presented. 
>
>

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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

2017-06-19 Thread Thomas Elmiger

Have a look at how Wikipedia deals with this. In an article you see just an 
image: 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apricot_Portable

If you click on an image you see author (, publisher) and license immediately 
without having to open the image (jpg, png, wathever) in a special software or 
in source code view: 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apricot_Portable#/media/File%3AApricot_portable.png

I think this is how license and copyright owner should be presented. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

Palomo is a beautiful name!

The link for Jed's Bar Chart is here 
http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/BarChart/

In my wiki I created it inside a table and put it into a tab.

See how you get on. The good thing about it is shows you what it is doing. 
Its a great tool.

Here is the heart of it: 
http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/BarChart/#Bar%20Chart%20Creator

Josiah

On Monday, 19 June 2017 22:36:30 UTC+2, Juan Palomo wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah!!!
>
> I have seen that you have managed to integrate the TodoNow plugin together 
> with the Barchart plugin. The truth is that it's something I've been looking 
> for for a long time.
> Could you tell us how you got it ???
>
> Greetings.
>
>

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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

Lost Admin wrote:
 

> Playing devils advoate here: It seams to me it would get very annoying if 
> I'm transcluding a bunch of different SVG tiddlers into my own tiddler and 
> they all have separate copyright and license notices. The copyrights and 
> licenses may end up taking up more space than the images.
>

That is a very interesting issue. Or rather issueS. 

Regarding many SVG of different sources having different licences: It may 
be so. That is not the documenter's fault, its honouring origins. 

Regarding SPACE.I agree if you have long license statements its an issue. 
But mostly it would only be an HTML address, hardly a major headache.

Josiah

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

2017-06-19 Thread Juan Palomo

Hi Josiah!!!

I have seen that you have managed to integrate the TodoNow plugin together with 
the Barchart plugin. The truth is that it's something I've been looking for for 
a long time.
Could you tell us how you got it ???

Greetings.



El lunes, 22 de mayo de 2017, 15:40:15 (UTC+2), @TiddlyTweeter escribió:
>
> Ciao Thomas
>
> This plugin has helped me tremendously ... 
>
> I have a few additional ideas & comments. These are more likely "luxury 
> tweaks" than essentials :-).
>
> 1 - Creating new ToDo items via the Green + ...
>
> ... could it be done via a MODAL? The reason is that the ToDoNow list is 
> one's basic orientater. I think that items created from it would be best in 
> the kind of overlay that modals provide. It keeps you "closer" to that 
> essential ToDoNow Tiddler.
>
> 2 - Maybe also use MODALS for full Tiddler viewing too for any ToDoNow 
> item?
>
> 3 - On the new EXTRA FILTER mechanism at: "Personal Filter" 
> .
>  
> Could you add a note to the documentation to cover the case of "exclude all 
> tiddlers tagged XXX". *That is likely the single most useful persistently 
> needed exclusion filter*.  
>
> To give a use case: I have lots of ToDo Tiddlers tagged "LongDates" that 
> manage long term payments, birthdays, contract renewals etc. I need to 
> track them but not see them everyday. Excluding them from normal viewing 
> in ToDo removes a lot of clutter.
>
> 4 - More on the EXTRA FILTER that shows up as active via this ... 
>
> Could the button be made to TOGGLE in the main ToDoNow Tiddler? So that 
> clicking it would alternate between: Extra Filter Applied / Extra Filter 
> Removed?
>
> 5 - More on the EXTRA FILTER. Could the graphic used for it better suggest 
> that a Personal Filter is in operation? Maybe one of these kind of symbols 
> ... Maybe with a "plus" sign in it when active?
>
>
>
> Very best wishes
> Josiah
>  
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

2017-06-19 Thread Lost Admin



On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 2:44:56 PM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I think Thomas makes the killer point ...
>
> I find the idea appealing to include a field "license" and maybe a field 
>> "copyright" with my name/website. The information in these fields should be 
>> visible in the SVG tiddler without any additional macro or copyright 
>> tiddlers in view mode – but invisible when it is used/transcluded in my 
>> plugin interface. 
>>
>
> Burying copyright inside the SVG seems to me coping strategy, not 
> fairness. I think it would be far better to have an EXPLICIT, visible, 
> link. Yes, SVG supports a copyright string, but I think in TW we can have a 
> more universal approach too that can apply globally on license/copyright 
> issues.
>

I think of putting the copyright inside the SVG as the right solution. I 
may take the SVG out of tiddlywiki to use elsewhere and then the 
copyright/license details are lost unless I remember to copy them too 
(which I'm not likely to do if I'm in a rush).
 

> The one part of my original question that hasn't got answer is IF its 
> possible, at the moment, to move a tiddler such that in a new TW with a 
> "copyright" or "license" field could be forced to show. That would be 
> important.
>

Add {{!!license}} to the body of the tiddler? Or maybe 
{{svgtiddler!!license}}, assuming double transclusion works.
 

> Regarding it being a "management nightmare" to go this way I can't see the 
> issue. To me its seems minimalist & workable & pretty fair.
>

Playing devils advoate here: It seams to me it would get very annoying if 
I'm transcluding a bunch of different SVG tiddlers into my own tiddler and 
they all have separate copyright and license notices. The copyrights and 
licenses may end up taking up more space than the images.


> Best wishes
> Josiah
>

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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

I think Thomas makes the killer point ...

I find the idea appealing to include a field "license" and maybe a field 
> "copyright" with my name/website. The information in these fields should be 
> visible in the SVG tiddler without any additional macro or copyright 
> tiddlers in view mode – but invisible when it is used/transcluded in my 
> plugin interface. 
>

Burying copyright inside the SVG seems to me coping strategy, not fairness. 
I think it would be far better to have an EXPLICIT, visible, link. Yes, SVG 
supports a copyright string, but I think in TW we can have a more universal 
approach too that can apply globally on license/copyright issues.

The one part of my original question that hasn't got answer is IF its 
possible, at the moment, to move a tiddler such that in a new TW with a 
"copyright" or "license" field could be forced to show. That would be 
important.

Regarding it being a "management nightmare" to go this way I can't see the 
issue. To me its seems minimalist & workable & pretty fair.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Fwd: Us congress hearing of maan alsaan Money laundry قضية الكونغجرس لغسيل الأموال للمليادير معن الصانع

2017-06-19 Thread sady assad

*موقع اليوتيوب الذي عرض فيديوهات جلسة استماع الكونجرس الأمريكي *

* لمتابعة نشاطات غسل الأموال ونشاطات*



*السعودي معن عبدالواحد الصانع*

*مالك مستشفى  وشركة سعد  ومدارس سعد بالمنطقة الشرقية** بالسعودية * * ورئيس
مجلس ادارة بنك اوال البحريني*



 *وتعليق محطة سي ان بي سي التلفزيونية*



*مترجم باللغة العربية*



US Congressional Hearing of

 Saudi billionaire" maan  Al Sanea "

 and Money Laundering

with bank of America



With Arabic Subtitles





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIBNnQvhU8s

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[tw] Re: Attempt to build a Roguelike Dungeongame in TW5

2017-06-19 Thread Lost Admin

That is kind of interesting. I had toyed with integrating games into 
tiddlywiki as a sort of funny add-in. Although my totally crazy idea was to 
figure out how to integrate a 6502 cpu emulator into it as a sort of 
integration of http://www.6502asm.com/ with tiddlywiki (and introduce a new 
text/6502 type for storing the assembly files). Yours is way more serious 
than mine.

On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 6:23:14 PM UTC-4, Jan wrote:
>
> Hello 
>
> Inspired by Jed Carthy'shttp://zorklike.tiddlyspot.com/#; I also wanted 
> to explore the possibilties of using TW as a plattform for editing games. 
>
> I wanted to change the interface to a darker version, where the dungeon 
> is all black at start an will only be shown after exploring it. 
>
> And I wanted to change mechanism to make it easier for average-users to 
> create an own Level, so here the rooms are generated by a matrix of 
> squares representing row, column and level (A-1-1 A-2-1 A-3-1... B-1-1 
> B-2-1 and so forth) and I implemented an editor which can be accessed by 
> a map. 
>
> The mechanism is explained in the Wiki; the display of rooms already 
> functions, but i have some trouble inserting the correct values for 
> moving the player. 
>
> So I would be pleased to have your opinions and perhaps some help on the 
> move south-button which is there as a test. 
> http://roguelike.tiddlyspot.com/ 
>
> Thanks 
> Jan 
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[tw] Re: TiddlySmile ...

Lost Admin asked

> Should I have asked permission for the times I've used Tiddlywiki?
>

Yes. 

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Range Slider - sliiiide 'em settings, baby!

2017-06-19 Thread Mat

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 5:33:12 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> From my perspective, tweaking the edit-text code is better, because Eric 
> has already shown how to do that. Edit-text is going to continue to be 
> complicated anyway -- no one is talking about rolling back any of its 
> options.
>

Regarding "edit-text is going to be complicated anyway" - I don't see why 
it has to be. 

Rather than rolling back options, they can (I'd guess) remain but they just 
don't have to be promoted. Actually, just like the range type wasn't 
promoted even if it was already possible.

IMO it makes sense to take advantage of the underlying html elements and 
partly mirror those, if this is not already done. What we're really talking 
about is the html Input element, which has a plethora of types. If it is 
not already done, it would probably make sense to implement a common 
"kernel" for the HTML Input type and then make widgets that use this common 
kernel but add various attributes for the particular form.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Range Slider - sliiiide 'em settings, baby!

2017-06-19 Thread Thomas Elmiger

I would support what Mark says: the edit-text widget should be extended. An 
alias (a macro?) to simplify range slider creation would be an option. 

Thanks! 
Thomas 

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[tw] Re: TiddlySmile ...

2017-06-19 Thread Lost Admin

I've been there (Woodstock, Ontario) and to London (Ontario). I don't think 
I've been to the Woodstock Festival. I probably should some day.

I'm happy people want to make Tiddywikis about things and events. I'm 
curious why people need to ask permission? Should I have asked permission 
for the times I've used Tiddlywiki?

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 12:05:02 PM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> We received an email from April Mackenzie of Oxford County, Ontario, 
> Canada 
> 
>  
> asking if she could make a TiddlyWiki about the local Woodstock 
>  Festival. Given that 
> it is near the Thames river and only 43km from London, we said YES.
>
> Here she is, working, for us ...
>
>
>
> Yours, @TiddlyTweeter
>

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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

2017-06-19 Thread Thomas Elmiger

Hi all

Interessting points of view, let me add my own as an author of texts, SVGs and
TW “software”.

As a creator I earn the copyright for my stuff and I can decide to publish a
work under a certain license to state my intentions about it’s use. E.g. I
could use a CC license:

“Creative Commons licenses provide an easy way to manage the copyright terms
that attach automatically to all creative material under copyright.” [1]

Suppose I publish an SVG graphic in a TW in stripped svg format. Where would I
include licensing information?

Case: I want to use this graphic in one of my TW plugins, anyone may use it for
free as part of my free plugin.
User J likes my graphic and includes it in his SVG collegtion of graphics.
User P loads my SVG from J’s collection and wants to print and sell t-shirts
with my design.

How can we let user P know that he must ask me for a commercial license?

I find the idea appealing to include a field "license" and maybe a field
"copyright" with my name/website. The information in these fields should be
visible in the SVG tiddler without any additional macro or copyright tiddlers
in view mode – but invisible when it is used/transcluded in my plugin
interface.

This way it would be possible to drag my work from wiki to wiki without
accidentally loosing the copyright and license information.

And yes: a CC-0 license is a license too and it would be useful to keep this
information included for folks like Josiah and me who care about stuff like
this, so we know we can do anything without asking.

Just my five cents. All the best!
Thomas

[1]
https://creativecommons.org/faq/#What_happens_if_the_author_decides_to_revoke_the_CC_license_to_material_I_am_using.3F

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Range Slider - sliiiide 'em settings, baby!

2017-06-19 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

>From my perspective, tweaking the edit-text code is better, because Eric 
has already shown how to do that. Edit-text is going to continue to be 
complicated anyway -- no one is talking about rolling back any of its 
options.

Mark

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 7:05:51 AM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> As  a quick note from poking the code, I think that just making a new 
> widget for the range slider is the way to go. The code for the edit-text 
> widget is so complex because of how much it does that I don't think that 
> adding more to it is a good idea. It should be a relatively simple widget 
> to create.
>

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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

2017-06-19 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Doesn't SVG allow comments inside? So the SVG itself could carry the 
copyright. 

SVG works with CSS, right? So you could have a SVG watermark that has to be 
deliberately turned off by CSS in the TW.

Mark

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 7:20:49 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> He's in a Dark Room. He picks up The Bundler and enters The SVG SaltMines. 
> The Clock is stopped. 
>
> PMario wrote:
>>
>> TL;DR -- Valid for your image usecase only
>>
>> I would handle it that way: 
>>
>> Create a tiddler: Image-Licenses with the content:
>>
>> Everything that is tagged: $:/tags/Image is license: x, y, z ... 
>> <>
>>
>> and link the tiddler somewhere in the "Thanks to: " section of the wiki.
>>
>> -- Reasoning below: It's a management problem 
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

He's in a Dark Room. He picks up The Bundler and enters The SVG SaltMines. 
The Clock is stopped. 

PMario wrote:
>
> TL;DR -- Valid for your image usecase only
>
> I would handle it that way: 
>
> Create a tiddler: Image-Licenses with the content:
>
> Everything that is tagged: $:/tags/Image is license: x, y, z ... 
> <>
>
> and link the tiddler somewhere in the "Thanks to: " section of the wiki.
>
> -- Reasoning below: It's a management problem 
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Range Slider - sliiiide 'em settings, baby!

As  a quick note from poking the code, I think that just making a new 
widget for the range slider is the way to go. The code for the edit-text 
widget is so complex because of how much it does that I don't think that 
adding more to it is a good idea. It should be a relatively simple widget 
to create.

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[tw] Re: Is it possible to pass the value from a tiddler to a field?

2017-06-19 Thread Ste Wilson

I'll go have a look at the wikifi widget then I'll no doubt be back and will 
fill out the details. 

Cheers! 

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[tw] Re: A google group for TiddlyWiki Classic

2017-06-19 Thread Ste Wilson

There is a sub Reddit up and running  https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/

Riz did the leg work for it and then we all promptly ignored it and carried on 
here. (what's happened to Riz anyway?)

Stephen 

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Range Slider - sliiiide 'em settings, baby!

2017-06-19 Thread Mat

@Eric - yes, customizable min/max/step are the missing pieces in the 
edittextwidget. 


@Jed - good reasoning about turning this into a separate widget. Range 
sliders are just way different than the normal edittextwidget use case that 
it surely would be confusing for users. Plus the edittextwidget already has 
many parameters...of which many are already confusing!


Would be terrific if something is worked out. 

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Range Slider - sliiiide 'em settings, baby!

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 2:50:00 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> PMario wrote:
>>
>> It seems your latest projects carry the Upgrade library 
>>  around. ... 
>>
>  
> THANK YOU SO MUCH MARIO!!  
>

you are welcome!
 

>
> I've been really confused why things load and save so slowly for a few 
> months now! I'll have to go back an correct all wikis I've made.
>

I was confused too. I did start the debugger, to see, if there are error 
messages. .. nothing  After searching long enough, TW suddenlyk 
started. ... 

Anyway. ... great stuff!
-m

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[tw] Re: Presenting: Range Slider - sliiiide 'em settings, baby!

2017-06-19 Thread Mat

PMario wrote:
>
> It seems your latest projects carry the Upgrade library 
>  around. ... 
>

 
THANK YOU SO MUCH MARIO!!  

I've been really confused why things load and save so slowly for a few 
months now! I'll have to go back an correct all wikis I've made.

This is such a relief. Thank you!

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

In THIS case Jed creates NO real license on usage at all. Rather a 
redundant license of negation.

Unlike you I think this IS a Copyright issue, because he DECLARES it is not 
copyrighted, but under a specific fruitless license :-). Its that 
declaration that has entailments for users having to replicate a license 
that his work is not copyrighted.

Josiah

On Monday, 19 June 2017 14:27:15 UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 2:10:13 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> You are also missing one point that by declaring a copyright that gives 
>> ALL rights you are also declaring a copyright that has to be replicated, 
>> even if ALL rights are given. If that is what you want then "This is NOT 
>> copyright" is the way to go :-)
>>
>
> As I wrote. It not a copyright issue. It's all about licensing. Throw the 
> copyright term away
>  
>
>>
>> "The person who associated a work with this deed has *dedicated* the 
>> work to the public domain by waiving all of his or her rights to the work 
>> worldwide under copyright law"
>>
>
> That's a problem. There are some countries, where this type of license is 
> not possible.
> -m
>

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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 2:10:13 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> You are also missing one point that by declaring a copyright that gives 
> ALL rights you are also declaring a copyright that has to be replicated, 
> even if ALL rights are given. If that is what you want then "This is NOT 
> copyright" is the way to go :-)
>

As I wrote. It not a copyright issue. It's all about licensing. Throw the 
copyright term away
 

>
> "The person who associated a work with this deed has *dedicated* the work 
> to the public domain by waiving all of his or her rights to the work 
> worldwide under copyright law"
>

That's a problem. There are some countries, where this type of license is 
not possible.
-m

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[tw] Re: A google group for TiddlyWiki Classic

2017-06-19 Thread Yakov

Hi guys,

I agree that google groups have a bad serach engine, although it didn't 
hurt me too much. They also lack upvoting/survey system which would be 
helpful but rarely that important as far as I can remember the days when I 
looked through messages in this group regularly and didn't miss almost 
anything. What are the scenarios when the lack of these features really 
concern you?

StackExchange is definitely a nice option, I've already committed during 
the current commit phase, but SE is not a general-purpose tool, it's not a 
place to discuss concepts, release new extensions etc.

The main other candidate is Reddit, if I haven't missed anything. I'm not 
familiar with it at all, could you describe what can be done there.. a 
subreddit? May be there's some nice introductory video?

My current plan is to release extensions (I've got quite a number of them) 
and post about them in the new google group and help others if somebody 
posts some "help me" thread. Quite probably I'll be out of reach since 20 
of June till 3 of July, so if somebody helps me by becoming a moderator (to 
allow non-spam first posts), I'll be thankful. I'd like to post a 
(short?)list of my projects there to hear what's interesting for others 
(what should I release first) and hence allowing first posts is important. 
Or I'll just post that after 3 of July to avoid any confusion.

Best regards,
Yakov.

понедельник, 5 июня 2017 г., 16:57:27 UTC+3 пользователь Mark S. написал:
>
> My attempts to set up registration via site 51 page crashes with a big 
> screen dump of open id error messages.
>
> Mark
>
> On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 5:15:13 AM UTC-7, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>>
>>
>> There is a proposal for creating a new stackOverflow like site for 
>> tiddlywiki:
>>
>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/105326/tiddlywiki
>>
>> Please go there and vote the three questions you find more useful with an 
>> score of 9 or less. We need as much questions as possible with an score of 
>> at least 10.
>> Then a new site for tiddlywiki will be created. This includes lots of 
>> cool features like tags, upvoting, short answers by better description, 
>> mechanism to avoid publishing duplicated questions, revisions history of 
>> questions... I think that TWC and TW5 can live together there thanks to 
>> tags.
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

TL;DR -- Valid for your image usecase only

I would handle it that way:

Create a tiddler: Image-Licenses with the content:

Everything that is tagged: $:/tags/Image is license: x, y, z ...
<>

and link the tiddler somewhere in the "Thanks to: " section of the wiki.

-- Reasoning below: It's a management problem

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 9:59:39 AM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I have an issue. The best way to explain it is through a *Use Case*.
>
> Imagine you made a library of svg icons using other peoples images. You
> want users to be able to browse and drag-n-drop ONLY icons they want (i.e.
> a plugin containing them all is inappropriate).
>

For SVGs there is
an established mechanism to include meta-data directly into the svg code.
... SVGs use a text based XML
(Extensible Markup Language) format.

If you open it with a text editor or TW-editor, it looks very similar to
HTML (Hypertext Markup Language) and
it is "human" and "machine" readable. see:
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fimages%2Fdelete-button and open it.

With TW we use a *manually stripped down* version of SVG. There is just
enough "xml" left, that the browser or an other program can handle it.

eg: (stripped down again for readability)

...

If you save the delete button as an delete.svg file, open it with eg:
inkscape, Edit the global Document: Settings: License to eg: CC-BY and
save, you'll get something similar to this:

http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#; xmlns=
"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; viewBox="0 0 128 128" height="22pt" width=
"22pt" version="1.1" xmlns:cc="http://creativecommons.org/ns#; xmlns:dc=
"http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/; class="tc-image-delete-button
tc-image-button">

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/"/>

...

As you can see, now the (manually stripped down) section is
still "heavier" then the real content. ... That's why we completely
stripped it in TW. ... BUT it contains a section, that is
sufficient for your drag and drop usecase.

Similar settings are available for every other image editor. eg: exif for
jpg , png, gif, and so on. So If
the global program settings are done right, the license fields should be
there already.

So if you want to deal with it for images, you definitely should have a
look at the editor-software. ... That's one reason, why I wrote: "*It's a
management problem*"

have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

Ciao Jed

I agree its a social issue. 

And in ordinary Tiddler life to date its NOT been much of an issue. 

But it is a concern because people do have rights, and some of them may 
someday want to assert them, so its important to address that IMO.

Josiah

Jed Carty wrote:
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> I think that this is a social problem, not a technological one.
>

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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

Further Jed

You are also missing one point that by declaring a copyright that gives ALL 
rights you are also declaring a copyright that has to be replicated, even 
if ALL rights are given. If that is what you want then "This is NOT 
copyright" is the way to go :-)

"The person who associated a work with this deed has *dedicated* the work 
to the public domain by waiving all of his or her rights to the work 
worldwide under copyright law"

You really do not to have to say that unless you want people to have to 
replicate it :-).

Josiah

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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

I think that this is a social problem, not a technological one. It doesn't 
matter what you have, if people want to ignore it than they will. I think 
that if you have something in whatever the bundling interface is that lists 
licenses that would be about as much as would be effective. If someone is 
going to ignore that than they would ignore a more persistent notification 
also.

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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

Ciao Jed

I was thinking of a strictly delimited case. The transport of a Tiddler 
that has an explicit "license/copyright" need. I was thinking only that a 
footer could display a link to its conditions of use. Otherwise you have to 
add additional informational tiddlers etc. It seems to ME that ONE field 
for that is the lightest solution. But as is it won't display when 
transferred.  IF you can assure me that a HIDDEN field is enough then I can 
let this issue go. But I would rather you were known. 

Josiah

Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Being able to show it is not a bad idea, but I don't like the idea of 
> forcing it to display.
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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

If I make all the stuff on my wiki available as CC-0 than forcing tiddler 
to show that when it is displayed is just going to be annoying I think.

Being able to show it is not a bad idea, but I don't like the idea of 
forcing it to display.

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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

... :) please wait a bit. I'm not finished yet 
-m

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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

PMario

Your exactitude is perfect  for this kind of discussion :-)

First: my practical issue about whether you can force fields to show when a 
Tiddler is transferred did not get answer, yet :-). Any ideas?

Second: Licensing seems, then, to me to replace my idea of "copyright". But 
the same applies, doesn't it? That a License Field that was always forced 
to show (if it had any content) could solve many issues around 
licensing/copyright between TW's?

My point is you SHOULD SAY SOMETHING :-).

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

Hi,

First things first: Copyright  [1] 
and Software Licensing  [2] 
are different things. 

Quote Wikipedia: Copyright

*Copyright* is a legal right created by the law of a country that grants 
> the creator of an original work exclusive rights for its use and 
> distribution.


Simplified speaking: "Whenever you create something new, you automatically 
have the copyright"


Quote Wikipedia: Software Licensing

A *software license* is a legal instrument (usually by way of contract law, 
> with or without printed material) governing the use or redistribution of 
> software
>

In other words: "A license describes the copyright owners intentions about 
*use* and *redistribution* of the work."


So using those 2 definitions, there basically can't be a copyright issue. 
... There only can be a Licensing issue. ... So you should forget about 
copyright. It's always there and mentioned in the license anyway. see: 
TW-License 
 [3] or in 
a different form  [4] see: 
bundlers-license 

[5]

So *we only need to focus on licensing.* 

more to come. ... 

have fun!
mario

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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyServer 2.0 - Announcement!!!

2017-06-19 Thread Arlen Beiler

Oh, I see what it is. Isn't your operating system using case sensitive
filenames? Tinley server will use whatever the operating system gives it.
As you can see it is returning a 404 error, which I just noticed now.

On Jun 19, 2017 6:58 AM, "Arlen Beiler"  wrote:

> Hmm, everything looks good so far. Are there any errors in the web page
> console (F12)?
>
> On Jun 18, 2017 9:11 PM, "jwd"  wrote:
>
>> And I guess I should point out that I get the following in the shell when
>> the settings.json file contains
>>
>>"daylog": "../TW/DayLog",
>>
>>
>> > tiddlyserver@2.0.0 start /Volumes/CM/TiddlyServer
>> > node server.js
>>
>> Settings file: /Volumes/CM/TiddlyServer/settings.json
>> Open you browswer and type in one of the following:
>> 192.168.1.14:8080
>> [2017-06-18T21:07:41.489-0400] GET 200 :::192.168.1.14
>> /   9.463 ms - -
>> [2017-06-18T21:07:42.004-0400] GET 200 :::192.168.1.14
>> /directory.css  2.063 ms -
>> 120
>> [2017-06-18T21:07:42.029-0400] GET 200 :::192.168.1.14
>> /icons/folder.png   1.504 ms -
>> 634
>> [2017-06-18T21:07:42.034-0400] GET 200 :::192.168.1.14
>> /icons/datafolder.png   1.238 ms -
>> 839
>> APP 2017-06-18 21:07:42  [IPv6-:::192.168.1.14] state error Not Found
>> [2017-06-18T21:07:42.038-0400] GET 404 :::192.168.1.14
>> /icons/category.png 1.152 ms - -
>> [2017-06-18T21:07:58.133-0400] GET 302 :::192.168.1.14
>> /daylog 1.895 ms - -
>> complete
>> twboot: 584.988ms
>> [2017-06-18T21:07:58.806-0400] GET 404 :::192.168.1.14
>> /daylog/587.226 ms -
>> -
>> syncer-server-filesystem: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/StoryList
>> FileSystem: Saved file /Volumes/CM/TW/DayLog/tiddlers/$__StoryList.tid
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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyServer 2.0 - Announcement!!!

2017-06-19 Thread Arlen Beiler

Hmm, everything looks good so far. Are there any errors in the web page
console (F12)?

On Jun 18, 2017 9:11 PM, "jwd"  wrote:

> And I guess I should point out that I get the following in the shell when
> the settings.json file contains
>
>"daylog": "../TW/DayLog",
>
>
> > tiddlyserver@2.0.0 start /Volumes/CM/TiddlyServer
> > node server.js
>
> Settings file: /Volumes/CM/TiddlyServer/settings.json
> Open you browswer and type in one of the following:
> 192.168.1.14:8080
> [2017-06-18T21:07:41.489-0400] GET 200 :::192.168.1.14
> /   9.463 ms - -
> [2017-06-18T21:07:42.004-0400] GET 200 :::192.168.1.14
> /directory.css  2.063 ms - 120
> [2017-06-18T21:07:42.029-0400] GET 200 :::192.168.1.14
> /icons/folder.png   1.504 ms - 634
> [2017-06-18T21:07:42.034-0400] GET 200 :::192.168.1.14
> /icons/datafolder.png   1.238 ms - 839
> APP 2017-06-18 21:07:42  [IPv6-:::192.168.1.14] state error Not Found
> [2017-06-18T21:07:42.038-0400] GET 404 :::192.168.1.14
> /icons/category.png 1.152 ms - -
> [2017-06-18T21:07:58.133-0400] GET 302 :::192.168.1.14
> /daylog 1.895 ms - -
> complete
> twboot: 584.988ms
> [2017-06-18T21:07:58.806-0400] GET 404 :::192.168.1.14
> /daylog/587.226 ms - -
> syncer-server-filesystem: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/StoryList
> FileSystem: Saved file /Volumes/CM/TW/DayLog/tiddlers/$__StoryList.tid
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[tw] Re: [INTRO] Tiddler Bundle Plugin

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 10:38:14 AM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> The lowest, and most basic, "Copyrightable Unit" is the Tiddler. It is 
> not plugins or other assemblages (like bundles). They can, of course, 
> collectively define their contents under Copyright, but the basic unit 
> seems to me to be individual Tiddlers.
>

yes.
 

> Take the case of svg's or single macros or widgets. 
>

This are kind of 2 different things. ... For SVGs there is an established 
mechanism. I'll respond in the other thread. macros and widgets are 
tiddlers. 
 

> Would it not be better if a default Copyright Field were available for 
> every Tiddler? And that when that field was created it would 
> automatically be shown in that Tiddler's "footer" region?
>

Theoretically speaking: yes.

Practically speaking: *no*   ... This would be a "management" nightmare and 
probably unnecessary bloat and noise. ... So users may be driven away. 

I'll respond in more detail in the other thread. 

-m

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[tw] Re: [INTRO] Tiddler Bundle Plugin

On broader discussion on Copyright in TW I would like to contribute this 
thought ... maybe its been said before?

The lowest, and most basic, "Copyrightable Unit" is the Tiddler. It is not 
plugins or other assemblages (like bundles). They can, of course, 
collectively define their contents under Copyright, but the basic unit 
seems to me to be individual Tiddlers.

Take the case of svg's or single macros or widgets. Would it not be better 
if a default Copyright Field were available for every Tiddler? And that when 
that field was created it would automatically be shown in that Tiddler's 
"footer" region?

Best wishes
Josiah

PMario wrote:
>
> That's interesting. This points out, that we should create a "best 
> practice" info about plugin configuration 
>  / licensing, soon. 
>   
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[tw] Re: [INTRO] Tiddler Bundle Plugin

Ciao PMario

I'm playing with it now & will reply later. I started a separate, but 
related, thread here: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/YKlLXWovXvQ

Best wishes
Josiah

PMario wrote:
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>
> @TiddlyTweeter  As a user, is this a way, that you can live with, 
> without too much trouble?
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[tw] Query -- The Fully Self-Revealing Tiddler?

I have an issue. The best way to explain it is through a *Use Case*.

Imagine you made a library of svg icons using other peoples images. You
want users to be able to browse and drag-n-drop ONLY icons they want (i.e.
a plugin containing them all is inappropriate).

There is a COPYRIGHT issue in that the originating image was not made by
me, only adapted and converted to svg by me. What that is needed is a link
to the license under which the icon can be used.

The simplest solution would be to have a "Copyright" field of the Tiddler
that contains the svg image that has a link to the license. HOW do you
ensure the Copyright ALWAYS DISPLAYS on the specific Tiddler? I mean, NOT,
just on the originating TW, where you can set it be so, but also on the TW
it is copied to?

Is there any method with a SINGLE Tiddler transferred to another TW can be
set such that fields, other than Title, Subtitle & text, can be
automatically displayed?

Please ask if the question is unclear.

This thread also has some bearing the Copyright issues over in the
discussion about PMario's "Bundler."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/_Uqbg08Pjow/xcQ_eKMFDQAJ

Best wishes
Josiah

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