date:20180526

Oops. You may have been wondering where the configuration menu was. It is 
supposed to appear at the bottom of the opening documentation, but was lost 
due to a last minute name tweak. Now restored.

Sorry for the inconvenience ...
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[tw5] Stranded resources

2018-05-26 Thread Mohammad

I learned from this forum and those pages by David, Thomase, Tobias, Birthe, 
Josiah, BurningTreeC, Jed,... there are many resources on tiddlywiki on the 
web, many of them difficult to find, many are duplicate efforts, ...
Is it possible to organize these resources, or in better way organize and use 
the huge synergy of developers, advanced users, power users in this forum?
More important is it possible to have some editions encourage people to 
participate and contribute to their constant development and maintenance?

Why there is not a policy to use from the synergy of the great developers in 
this forum? Why most of people here work on their own and separate?

I feel while tiddlywiki has endless potentials, there is no or little products 
(editions, applications) for final users.

Mohammad

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Re: [tw5] Re: export to ebook format (epub)

2018-05-26 Thread TonyM

Josiah, Mark,

I thought of doing something similar for PDF files I may drop on a wiki, 
add subjects or keywords to fields in the PDF tiddler such that a search 
can find the tiddler (containing the PDF).

I have just built a subjects alternative tag field using GenTags.  And will 
test it soon.

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 2:29:00 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Hi TT,
>
> How would you annotate text?
>
> In terms of size, a possibility is to externalize a text by chapter, 
> half-chapter, whatever is appropriate in an iframe. Then pack the unique 
> keywords into the tiddler so that it can be found in searches. So TW has 
> the meta data and can display the text.
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 7:50:22 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Another thought about EPUBs--those that use public domain materials and 
>> have open licenses, of which there are a lot--is to deconstruct them into 
>> TW. The advantage of E-book is often a lot of care went into the logical 
>> design. So, in some ways, they can be better than raw Gutenberg et al as 
>> sources. 
>>
>> The other part is, of course, ability to edit freely once in TW. For some 
>> kinds of project, like studying Dickens in detail, you need to do a lot 
>> more than bookmark. TW has all that is needed.
>>
>> ONE issue with TW does remain scalability. A biggish book can kinda work 
>> so long as you chunk it into substantial chunks. But most detailed 
>> commentary needs paragraph-level chunks. TW kind starts grinding to a halt 
>> on that for full length novels.
>>
>> Just thoughts
>> Josiah
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Save-Tiddlers Extension is not compatible with the latest Firefox

2018-05-26 Thread TonyM

Josiah,

You are free to do what you want, of course. I just know that in time 
holding back with an older version can cause problems too, as you know.

Feel free to clarify what you do/or would use and people may propose 
alternatives (when you are ready)., I for one was a multi-profile FireFox 
user user for some time. I moved to Chrome and its users to get each 
profile isolated from each other so a crash or user login credentials did 
not leak across sessions. I believe FF now has this (either before or after 
V52).

Best Wishes
Tony

On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 12:14:25 AM UTC+10, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> TonyM
>
> For some features in Firefox ESR 52 as I have it still, and will remain 
> with yet as my main browser ... eventually to go ... 
>
> But the biggest significant change for me is Bob "automation". It adds 
> back in a customisable way a lot of things I need.
>
> However, the Profiling system I have on Firefox ESR 52 there is NO 
> equivalent for. Its simply brilliant. I see NO replacement anywhere 
> approximate to it.
>
> My chagrin with WebExtensions is people keep crapping on about how secure 
> they need be etc. But in years of using FF I NEVER, ever heard of any 
> serious meltdown in its Add-Ons. I'm not a techie, but I know a story when 
> I see one.
>
> The ONLY issue with staying on 52 a while is possible CSS innovation 
> support it won't keep up with. Its perfectly secure. So far nothing I 
> noticed looks weird.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> TonyM wrote:
>>
>> ...  I bit the bullet and moved to the latest version with ease
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: concerning the {display:none} value for title, subtitle



On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 1:24:43 PM UTC-4, PMario wrote:
>
>
> Info about CSS can be found here: 
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/CSS/Introduction_to_CSS/Selectors
>
> BUT be aware, that TiddlyWiki doesn't use ID-selectors, since IDs have to 
> be unique, which is hard to achieve with several tiddlers open at the same 
> time. 
>
> That's why we use class-selectors most of the time. 
>


yep beat you there : ), went there following the TB5 custom styling pages 
to brush up, not fully indoctrinated in HTML 5/CSS 3, still a html 4 hold 
over.  I'm more on the app/creative side and due to time constraints, learn 
just enough to get what I want from the coding.

it was there that I noticed all the tc elements were classes.


> have fun!
>>
>
definitely will : ) I replace my old top iframe navigator for multi media 
and web content with Tiddlywiki, its leaps and bounds beyond what I 
achieved.

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system


>
> Jed: file or folder: I am not sure what this means, you have switchable so 
> lets go with that
>

I think Mat means whether the system runs  TW is for single html wiki 
(file) or Tid based (folder) or both. For instance TiddlyDesktop is both. 
Bob I think is just folder (even though you can generate the html one-files 
from it)?

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

2018-05-26 Thread Jed Carty

I am not sure how to answer some of the questions about Bob here, but this
is my attempt:

it is a plugin that lets you save tiddlers, so it could be a saver, it
serves the wikis so it may be a server (but it isn't a separate piece of
software, so I don't know), and it lets you have multiple wikis so it may
be a manager but I am not certain what the 'as objects' part means.

Autobackup: no (maybe later)
Browser: any standard
data-storage-location: it is a server, but the device you are using it on
could be the server so I am not sure what to say about that.
dependencies: nodejs for the plugin version, none for the single executable
version
encryption: no (same as the normal nodejs version, possibly coming later)
file or folder: I am not sure what this means, you have switchable so lets
go with that
format: I don't know what this means
mobile first: no
multi-user: yes
os: any for the plugin, windows osx and linux for the single executable
portable: no for the plugin (same as normal nodejs), yes for the single
executable
versioning: no
works offline: yes

Bob may need two entries, one for the node plugin version and one for the
single executable version.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

2018-05-26 Thread Jed Carty

I think that the problem with the windows commands is from all of the
commands sharing the same io streams. I can add an option to have a command
run with its own terminal instead of in the shared terminal with Bob and
that may help. The downside is that it may spawn a new window for each
script that runs.

I am not sure what the differences between bash and the windows command
prompt are that may cause this but that is the only thing I can come up
with that may fix it.

TiddlyTweeter,

All of the wikis share the same settings that you can only edit from the
root wiki. The settings go with the node process, not with the specific
wiki. I looked into per-wiki settings but so far I haven't run into a
situation where it would be helpful.

There is a tiddler called $:/WikiName that has the name of the current wiki
that is used by the back-end, so you can just transclude that instead of
defining it in the macro. And the buildHTMLWiki message can take
outputFolder and outputName parameters that you can use to set the location
of the generated html file so you may not need to manually copy them after
they are created. Other than that I think you are doing it about as
efficiently as is possible at the moment.

Have you run into any troubles with the generated html files? I had seen
some strange behaviour where I wasn't always able to import them into other
wikis by dragging and dropping the html but I haven't been able to test it
out much yet.

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

Hi Mat,

Are the 3 categories (green, yellow, red) explained? I would put them right 
at the top of the chart.

When I check "savers" and then look for offline savers, nothing is checked. 
Yet almost all the mentioned savers work offline (except maybe TWITS and 
TiddlyDrive).

Also, AndTidWiki has "Chrome" in the "browser" column. But AndTidWiki is 
it's own browser and doesn't depend on FF or Chrome.

Any of the items with checkmarks act as links when you hover over them, but 
nothing happens when you click on them. Are they supposed to go somewhere?

Thanks!
-- Mark

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 1:27:31 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Mark
>
> thanks for input and sorry for confusions ;-)
>
> I hope the upper left "Click there / and here" is now clear. The images 
> were supposed to be arrows pointing to the links. I changed the text now as 
> well.
>
> The idea is that only the first "saver/server/service/manager" checking - 
> the "type" filtering - is a real disqualifier from being seen. Thereafter, 
> the setups remain in the matrix for easy comparison.
>
> A green mark indicates that a setup matches a requirement OR, more 
> typically that the user didn't set a requirement (...which means it is 
> fulfilled)
> A yellow mark indicates that a requirement is partially fulfilled (and 
> that the user has set multiple requirements for the criteria)
> A red mark indicates that no requirement in a criteria is fulfilled.
>
> Writing this makes me realize you're right; it is definitely not as 
> obvious as I felt it was. Good you're pointing it out.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

I went through the table.

Its a seriously difficult filtering job.

TBH I'm not sure the "red crosses" add anything. Green ticks would be the 
main selection guide for a user? The non-matches I do not think need to be 
explicit?

Also sometimes you get a Green tick with the word "No" below it. I got a 
bit confused with those.

I think it will improve when you get more data. 

You list Android as a browser and an OS. Its principally an OS I think. 
There are Android Apps for TW, perhaps that is what you meant? 

Anyway
I think its important what you doing. Don't want to come over negative.

On Saturday, 26 May 2018 19:35:02 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> So, you want your TW to...
>
>- function well on your *phone*? 
>- *auto-sync* with your many devices?
>- work as a *shared* family wiki with to-do lists, reference matter 
>and all?
>- ...or even as a corporate system, with *simultaneous editing*?
>- ...and automatic *backups*?
>- be totally off-the-grid on a *RasPi* server?
>- or you want tools to *manage *all those TWs of yours? 
>
> Well, maybe it's possible
>
> The ol' TWaddler proudly presents...
>
> SetUp 
>
> - a guide to help you navigate to the TW system you want
>
> This was previously named "BackEnd" but SetUp is more appropriate given 
> that it concerns TW-specific: Savers, Servers, Services and Managers
>
> As you can see on that site, if you experiment a little and tick some 
> check-boxes, a lot of info is missing. You may disagree or want to add or 
> to remove either of...
>
>- SetUps
>- criteria (i.e the "features" listed that a user may look at to 
>decide what suits him)
>- options for the criteria
>- or even the categorization into "savers, servers, services and 
>managers"
>
>
> Well, I need help with this information. I barely know what a server is... 
> but I do know how to copy-paste text so if you guys provide the info, I do 
> the foot work.
>
> The point is to help anyone... no, I mean *everyone*!.. to get the most 
> out of TW. It really concerns all of us, so please do a good deed and help 
> out. The TiddlyGods will reward you.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

2018-05-26 Thread Mat

Mark

thanks for input and sorry for confusions ;-)

I hope the upper left "Click there / and here" is now clear. The images 
were supposed to be arrows pointing to the links. I changed the text now as 
well.

The idea is that only the first "saver/server/service/manager" checking - 
the "type" filtering - is a real disqualifier from being seen. Thereafter, 
the setups remain in the matrix for easy comparison.

A green mark indicates that a setup matches a requirement OR, more 
typically that the user didn't set a requirement (...which means it is 
fulfilled)
A yellow mark indicates that a requirement is partially fulfilled (and that 
the user has set multiple requirements for the criteria)
A red mark indicates that no requirement in a criteria is fulfilled.

Writing this makes me realize you're right; it is definitely not as obvious 
as I felt it was. Good you're pointing it out.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Calories & Carbs & Fiber, Oh My

Some of the captions were mangled to reduce space.

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On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 12:22:11 PM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Great bit of work. I need study it more to know how to get the best from 
> it.
>
> Life is such there is always a small crack in the system :-) 
>
>
> Great stuff
> Thank-you
> Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Calories & Carbs & Fiber, Oh My

Great bit of work. I need study it more to know how to get the best from it.

Life is such there is always a small crack in the system :-) 


Great stuff
Thank-you
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

"follwing" sb "following"

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 10:35:02 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

2018-05-26 Thread Mohammad

Great efforts Mat!

Thank you

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 10:05:02 PM UTC+4:30, Mat wrote:
>
> So, you want your TW to...
>
>- function well on your *phone*? 
>- *auto-sync* with your many devices?
>- work as a *shared* family wiki with to-do lists, reference matter 
>and all?
>- ...or even as a corporate system, with *simultaneous editing*?
>- ...and automatic *backups*?
>- be totally off-the-grid on a *RasPi* server?
>- or you want tools to *manage *all those TWs of yours? 
>
> Well, maybe it's possible
>
> The ol' TWaddler proudly presents...
>
> SetUp 
>
> - a guide to help you navigate to the TW system you want
>
> This was previously named "BackEnd" but SetUp is more appropriate given 
> that it concerns TW-specific: Savers, Servers, Services and Managers
>
> As you can see on that site, if you experiment a little and tick some 
> check-boxes, a lot of info is missing. You may disagree or want to add or 
> to remove either of...
>
>- SetUps
>- criteria (i.e the "features" listed that a user may look at to 
>decide what suits him)
>- options for the criteria
>- or even the categorization into "savers, servers, services and 
>managers"
>
>
> Well, I need help with this information. I barely know what a server is... 
> but I do know how to copy-paste text so if you guys provide the info, I do 
> the foot work.
>
> The point is to help anyone... no, I mean *everyone*!.. to get the most 
> out of TW. It really concerns all of us, so please do a good deed and help 
> out. The TiddlyGods will reward you.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

When I click on "dependencies" and click "No", nothing changes. Shouldn't 
only "basic TW file" be showing up on the list?

Thanks!
-- Mark

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 10:55:34 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

2018-05-26 Thread Mat

Thanks Josiah

I've changed the arrows (they were nice and visible, now instead slim 
barely visible but should at least work)

The other thing up in the right corner is kind of not needed by the 
visitors so I'm thinking I can leave it like that... at least for now :-)

Thanks

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

Hi Mat,

I'm not sure how this is supposed to work. But I've got a bunch of starter 
questions.

I clicked on savers.

On Firefox, the icon after "Click there and there" doesn't render (utf 
substitute icon). On Chrome, they show up as checkboxes, but I don't know 
what they are indicating. What am I supposed to be clicking on?

Why do all the non-full options have a grayed-out "tw" ?

I'm thinking that there is something missing that should be hinting that I 
want to click on the various columns. Since they just show up as links, at 
first I thought they were just informational. Maybe a line of text 
explaining what to do?

Thanks!
-- Mark

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 10:35:02 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> So, you want your TW to...
>
>- function well on your *phone*? 
>- *auto-sync* with your many devices?
>- work as a *shared* family wiki with to-do lists, reference matter 
>and all?
>- ...or even as a corporate system, with *simultaneous editing*?
>- ...and automatic *backups*?
>- be totally off-the-grid on a *RasPi* server?
>- or you want tools to *manage *all those TWs of yours? 
>
> Well, maybe it's possible
>
> The ol' TWaddler proudly presents...
>
> SetUp 
>
> - a guide to help you navigate to the TW system you want
>
> This was previously named "BackEnd" but SetUp is more appropriate given 
> that it concerns TW-specific: Savers, Servers, Services and Managers
>
> As you can see on that site, if you experiment a little and tick some 
> check-boxes, a lot of info is missing. You may disagree or want to add or 
> to remove either of...
>
>- SetUps
>- criteria (i.e the "features" listed that a user may look at to 
>decide what suits him)
>- options for the criteria
>- or even the categorization into "savers, servers, services and 
>managers"
>
>
> Well, I need help with this information. I barely know what a server is... 
> but I do know how to copy-paste text so if you guys provide the info, I do 
> the foot work.
>
> The point is to help anyone... no, I mean *everyone*!.. to get the most 
> out of TW. It really concerns all of us, so please do a good deed and help 
> out. The TiddlyGods will reward you.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

Mat

2 quick comments ... purely aesthetic ...

1 -- Of firefox & chrome for me on Windows I get this ...



What is the character you want on those boxes? Another Unicode might work 
better?


Minor thing the overlay of the two menus--but could cause unintended events 
:-)

I'll comment about substance once I looked properly.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Saturday, 26 May 2018 19:35:02 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> So, you want your TW to...
>
>- function well on your *phone*? 
>- *auto-sync* with your many devices?
>- work as a *shared* family wiki with to-do lists, reference matter 
>and all?
>- ...or even as a corporate system, with *simultaneous editing*?
>- ...and automatic *backups*?
>- be totally off-the-grid on a *RasPi* server?
>- or you want tools to *manage *all those TWs of yours? 
>
> Well, maybe it's possible
>
> The ol' TWaddler proudly presents...
>
> SetUp 
>
> - a guide to help you navigate to the TW system you want
>
> This was previously named "BackEnd" but SetUp is more appropriate given 
> that it concerns TW-specific: Savers, Servers, Services and Managers
>
> As you can see on that site, if you experiment a little and tick some 
> check-boxes, a lot of info is missing. You may disagree or want to add or 
> to remove either of...
>
>- SetUps
>- criteria (i.e the "features" listed that a user may look at to 
>decide what suits him)
>- options for the criteria
>- or even the categorization into "savers, servers, services and 
>managers"
>
>
> Well, I need help with this information. I barely know what a server is... 
> but I do know how to copy-paste text so if you guys provide the info, I do 
> the foot work.
>
> The point is to help anyone... no, I mean *everyone*!.. to get the most 
> out of TW. It really concerns all of us, so please do a good deed and help 
> out. The TiddlyGods will reward you.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

2018-05-26 Thread Mat

So, you want your TW to...

- function well on your *phone*?
- *auto-sync* with your many devices?
- work as a *shared* family wiki with to-do lists, reference matter and
all?
- ...or even as a corporate system, with *simultaneous editing*?
- ...and automatic *backups*?
- be totally off-the-grid on a *RasPi* server?
- or you want tools to *manage *all those TWs of yours?

Well, maybe it's possible

The ol' TWaddler proudly presents...

SetUp

- a guide to help you navigate to the TW system you want

This was previously named "BackEnd" but SetUp is more appropriate given
that it concerns TW-specific: Savers, Servers, Services and Managers

As you can see on that site, if you experiment a little and tick some
check-boxes, a lot of info is missing. You may disagree or want to add or
to remove either of...

- SetUps
- criteria (i.e the "features" listed that a user may look at to decide
what suits him)
- options for the criteria
- or even the categorization into "savers, servers, services and
managers"

Well, I need help with this information. I barely know what a server is...
but I do know how to copy-paste text so if you guys provide the info, I do
the foot work.

The point is to help anyone... no, I mean *everyone*!.. to get the most out
of TW. It really concerns all of us, so please do a good deed and help out.
The TiddlyGods will reward you.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: concerning the {display:none} value for title, subtitle


Info about CSS can be found here: 
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/CSS/Introduction_to_CSS/Selectors

BUT be aware, that TiddlyWiki doesn't use ID-selectors, since IDs have to 
be unique, which is hard to achieve with several tiddlers open at the same 
time. 

That's why we use class-selectors most of the time. 

have fun!
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[tw5] Re: concerning the {display:none} value for title, subtitle

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 5:07:26 PM UTC+2, barro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>> see: https://tiddlywiki.com/#Custom%20styles%20by%20data-tiddler-title
>>>
>>
>> Excellent, I'm on the right track then.  Been studying those pages as 
> well as the ones at tb5, especially the use of the browser's inspect 
> element.  I recognize your name from quite a few of threads I have read 
> here-- I appreciate your patience and assistance.
>
> just a minor note-- the suggested css shorthand for combining similiar 
> rules, ie
>
> [data-tags*="xyz"] .tc-title, .tc-subtitle {display: none;}
>
> didn't work for me, I had to separate them into separate rules?  Was I 
> correct with that?
>

What you wrote is equivalent to 

[data-tags*="xyz"] .tc-title {
  display: none;
}

.tc-subtitle {
  display: none;
}


But that's probably not what you wanted. 
 
[data-tags*="xyz"] .tc-title,
[data-tags*="xyz"] .tc-subtitle {
  display: none;
}

It's much more readable and clear, what's meant

-m

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[tw5] Re: Calories & Carbs & Fiber, Oh My

Presenting, Carbo Commander. Take command of your carbs! And other stuff.

http://carbocommander.tiddlyspot.com/

You can now track multiple nutrients* if you can find the data for them. 

-- Mark

*(tested up to 6 -- range setting for up to 20 if you make the "save" 
tiddlers)

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Re: [tw5] Re: export to ebook format (epub)

Hi TT,

How would you annotate text?

In terms of size, a possibility is to externalize a text by chapter, 
half-chapter, whatever is appropriate in an iframe. Then pack the unique 
keywords into the tiddler so that it can be found in searches. So TW has 
the meta data and can display the text.

-- Mark

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 7:50:22 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Another thought about EPUBs--those that use public domain materials and 
> have open licenses, of which there are a lot--is to deconstruct them into 
> TW. The advantage of E-book is often a lot of care went into the logical 
> design. So, in some ways, they can be better than raw Gutenberg et al as 
> sources. 
>
> The other part is, of course, ability to edit freely once in TW. For some 
> kinds of project, like studying Dickens in detail, you need to do a lot 
> more than bookmark. TW has all that is needed.
>
> ONE issue with TW does remain scalability. A biggish book can kinda work 
> so long as you chunk it into substantial chunks. But most detailed 
> commentary needs paragraph-level chunks. TW kind starts grinding to a halt 
> on that for full length novels.
>
> Just thoughts
> Josiah
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

Ciao Bob & Jed

I find intriguing that the wikis that Bob creates seem to be aware about 
Bob?

I mean, I can run a script in .\Wikis\katex\ that needs to get that from 
Bob. How does that work? How does "katex" know?

As I get into the automation I'm looking at ways to minimise the amount of 
typing (and errors) I make on paths. I started doing stuff like this ... 
basic boilerplate, wiki-by-wiki ... (just change the value in first line 
for each Wiki)

\define twName() katex
\define tidsAt() .\Wikis\$(twName)$\tiddlers\*.tid
\define sfFrom() .\Wikis\$(twName)$\output\index.html
\define sfTo() ..\..\pages\tw\tw_$(twName)$\$(twName)$.html

<$button> 
  Edit ''{{$:/SiteTitle}}'' Tid files
  <$action-websocketmessage $type=runScript name=editpad #path=<> 
#instance='/newinstance'/>

at: <>

<$button>
  Make a ''{{$:/SiteTitle}}'' single file
  <$action-websocketmessage $type='buildHTMLWiki'/>

at: <>

<$button>
  Copy ''{{$:/SiteTitle}}'' single file to new home
  <$action-websocketmessage $type=runScript name=copySFwiki 
#from=<> #to=<> />

copy: <>
to: <>

<$button> 
  Start HTTrack
  <$action-websocketmessage $type='runScript' name='htwhack'/>


The scripts are ...


But I'm not so sure its the most efficient way because there is something 
about shared knowledge between Bob and the plebeian Wiki's I maybe not 
properly grasping?

Hope this is clear enough?

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

Dear Bob, Jed & TonyM

Quick update on Windows usage for the RoboBob automation stuff. 

All is good so long as you don't send direct commands of the type you'd 
normally type at the console as they crash it. I THINK it is something to 
do with mode the mode the Bob Console is in (& maybe needs?). It doesn't 
behave quite the same as a normal Windows Command Prompt. Its kinda locked 
in. BUT I don't think it matters.

Windows BATCH files seem to work perfectly. You can pass parameters to 
them. And their results show up in the console.

Windows full executables work without any issue and will take parameters.

Next I'll test running a series of commands.

@TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I think there is an issue on the Windows console. I suspect its a simple 
> issue.
>

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[tw5] Re: concerning the {display:none} value for title, subtitle


>
>
> see: https://tiddlywiki.com/#Custom%20styles%20by%20data-tiddler-title
>>
>
> Excellent, I'm on the right track then.  Been studying those pages as well 
as the ones at tb5, especially the use of the browser's inspect element.  I 
recognize your name from quite a few of threads I have read here-- I 
appreciate your patience and assistance.

just a minor note-- the suggested css shorthand for combining similiar 
rules, ie

[data-tags*="xyz"] .tc-title, .tc-subtitle {display: none;}

didn't work for me, I had to separate them into separate rules?  Was I 
correct with that?

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Re: [tw5] Re: export to ebook format (epub)

Another thought about EPUBs--those that use public domain materials and 
have open licenses, of which there are a lot--is to deconstruct them into 
TW. The advantage of E-book is often a lot of care went into the logical 
design. So, in some ways, they can be better than raw Gutenberg et al as 
sources. 

The other part is, of course, ability to edit freely once in TW. For some 
kinds of project, like studying Dickens in detail, you need to do a lot 
more than bookmark. TW has all that is needed.

ONE issue with TW does remain scalability. A biggish book can kinda work so 
long as you chunk it into substantial chunks. But most detailed commentary 
needs paragraph-level chunks. TW kind starts grinding to a halt on that for 
full length novels.

Just thoughts
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Save-Tiddlers Extension is not compatible with the latest Firefox

TonyM

For some features in Firefox ESR 52 as I have it still, and will remain 
with yet as my main browser ... eventually to go ... 

But the biggest significant change for me is Bob "automation". It adds back 
in a customisable way a lot of things I need.

However, the Profiling system I have on Firefox ESR 52 there is NO 
equivalent for. Its simply brilliant. I see NO replacement anywhere 
approximate to it.

My chagrin with WebExtensions is people keep crapping on about how secure 
they need be etc. But in years of using FF I NEVER, ever heard of any 
serious meltdown in its Add-Ons. I'm not a techie, but I know a story when 
I see one.

The ONLY issue with staying on 52 a while is possible CSS innovation 
support it won't keep up with. Its perfectly secure. So far nothing I 
noticed looks weird.

Best wishes
Josiah

TonyM wrote:
>
> ...  I bit the bullet and moved to the latest version with ease
>

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[tw5] Re: Save-Tiddlers Extension is not compatible with the latest Firefox

Mark S.

A few days thought & trials later :-)

Right. Scrapbox doesn't do much other than creates structures of pages. BUT 
its all exportable and with RDF indices. I'm not giving up yet with a 
decade of archives.

Mark S. wrote:
>
> I've been thinking about a different approach. One of the best tools for 
> web-clipping is Word. And one of the best tools for organizing is Calibre. 
>

I looked at Calibre. Used it. And was taken by it.

That is a seriously good bit of software for e-doc people. Its really well 
thought through. Thanks for the heads-up!

Josiah

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyDesktop keyboard shortcuts

2018-05-26 Thread Zachary Storer

Oh I see it now. I was in the settings menu, but it was within the 
backstage menu.

Anyway, thanks!

-

Zak

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 7:53:03 PM UTC-6, TonyM wrote:
>
> Zachary,
>
> The Keyboard Shortcuts set in ControlPanel > Keyboard Shortcuts 
> works in TiddlDesktop and I believe you can edit and add to these
>
> Is this not sufficient?
>
> Note: Results may vary with the codemirror editor.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 11:11:19 AM UTC+10, Zachary Storer wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is there a way to configure keyboard shortcuts for TiddlyDesktop? I want 
>> to add some vim text editor keybindings.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -
>>
>> Zak
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: export to ebook format (epub)

Ciao Jeremy

EPUB3 is a very interesting "standard" in its "lag" from the relentless 
drive-on of the web. Not least because, I think, for the good reason of 
longevity. E-pubs are not on the cutting edge. The thinking embracing a 
more "book-wise" sense of being in for the long-haul without too many 
surprises.

In my thinking is not so much about converting splendid TW to e-pubs -- but 
rather that TW could be a good, basic, CMS to assist creation of e-pubs. 

The role of TW as "middle-man".

What I mean here is NOT just stellar TW get into e-book. Rather, more 
ordinary TW without too many bells and whistles actually resemble e-books 
most, I think.

Best wishes
Josiah

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Re: [tw5] Re: export to ebook format (epub)

Hi Jeremy,

Might be a difference between the Apple and the non-Apple world. As an 
early adopter, my old kindle has a back key. The Paperwhite has a back 
arrow that gets activated when the top of the screen is touched. The kindle 
on android can use the system "back" key to return from a visited link. 
I'll have to test if the same thing works on my favorite ereader app 
(FBreader).


Thanks!
Mark  



On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 3:19:18 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mark
>
> The thing with redundant copies is, wouldn't the user have to use the back 
> key? Or a "return" link? And how would you hide those redundant copies?
>
>
> EPUB readers do not in my experience typically offer a “back” button, but 
> rather navigation via the “spine” of the book (an ordered list of the HTML 
> pages within it).
>
> As far as I can tell, EPUBs may contain pages that are not included in the 
> “spine” or the table of contents, and thus can only be navigated via 
> hyperlinks.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 9:58:47 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>>
>> Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> [...] pre-generate static HTML representations of every combination of 
>>> sorting for the table, and then construct links between them. So, if the 
>>> initial rendering is ordered by first name, and the user clicks on the 
>>> column for the second name, they would actually be navigating to a 
>>> different rendering of the data sorted by second name.
>>>
>>
>> Redundant copies, covering every output case? Now that idea was 
>> unexpected.
>>
>> Might CSS ordering be an option? 
>> https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/css3_pr_order.asp
>>  
>> <:-)
>>
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[tw5] Re: concerning the {display:none} value for title, subtitle



On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 12:34:18 PM UTC+2, barro...@gmail.com wrote:
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> putting the [data-tags~=""] in front of each rule seemed to be the least 
> painful method, trying to combine into one rule was causing unpredictable 
> results (like losing the stylesheet tiddler)
>
> I can find out the meaning of the *, ~ suffixes to data-tags in the 
> Attribute Selectors page at the main wiki documentation site?
>

see: https://tiddlywiki.com/#Custom%20styles%20by%20data-tiddler-title

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[tw5] Re: concerning the {display:none} value for title, subtitle

putting the [data-tags~=""] in front of each rule seemed to be the least 
painful method, trying to combine into one rule was causing unpredictable 
results (like losing the stylesheet tiddler)

I can find out the meaning of the *, ~ suffixes to data-tags in the 
Attribute Selectors page at the main wiki documentation site?


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Re: [tw5] Re: export to ebook format (epub)

2018-05-26 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Tony

> What you propose would be very helpful, however I was thinking it may be 
> quicker and easier to hand the creation of the alternate static views to the 
> user, but provide a way to "overlay them" in a dynamic design so that they 
> appear in the static HTML output. This would possibly empower additional 
> dynamic experience emulation.
> 
> I'm thinking for example a list field on a tiddler indicating the 3 tiddlers 
> representing the different sort orders.
> Even simply cloning the sort-able tiddler for each sorted result (change sort 
> filter) and altering the headings to refer to each sort view, all we need is 
> for the generation of static HTML to recognise these and only display the 
> currently selected "view".
> 
> I suppose I am interested in generalising as much as possible any solution.

I’m sure there are situations where users might want to be in explicit control, 
but I was mainly thinking of situations where the user would create an ordinary 
TW5 “app”, and then the system would deduce which static views would be needed 
in order to reproduce it.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw5] Re: export to ebook format (epub)

2018-05-26 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Dear Paul

> I can see that Epub3 format can execute also scripts in JS subfolder.

JavaScript support is inconsistent and limited on current readers, hence my 
interest in techniques to avoid dependence on it.

> Why is not technically possible to write JS code in some tiddler belonging to 
> epub project and appending references to it in the final html pages? There's 
> some design constraint?

I don’t think there is any design constraint within TW5 there; is there a 
reason you thought there might be?

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> e.g. create tiddler sort-table.js, adding sort capabilities to all tables 
> with class 'sortable', add it to the project, then add also tiddler chapter1, 
> containing a table with class 'sortable'. The sort-table.js tiddler should be 
> published in the JS folder of the book and references to it ( src="js/sortable.js">) could be added (automatically? or via 
> processing instruction in every tiddler?) to html tiddler(s).
> 
> In a similar concept: is it possible to create (system/common/shadow or 
> whatever) tiddlers containing js code which is to be appended as script to 
> some tiddler 'after its rendering to html', so to be executed by the browser 
> when it's loading the final product 
> e.g. if I tag a 'sort-table.js' tiddler with tiddler names 'hosts', 
> 'addresses', etc. would mean that TW should append js reference to sort-table 
> in #hosts and #addresses html subcode. This behavoiur (if possible!) coud be 
> kept when developing an eventual ebook plugin.
> What am I missing?
> 
> Thanks and regards,
> Paul Netsaver,
> Rome, IT
> 
> 
>   
> 
> Il giorno venerdì 25 maggio 2018 10:43:28 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston ha scritto:
>> 
>> I very much like the idea of an epub3 output format for TW5.
>> 
>> As others have noted, the epub3 format itself can be fairly simple (plus the 
>> general rule that it is always orders of magnitude easier to generate a 
>> particular format than it is to parse/accept that format). We already have a 
>> JSZip plugin that can handle the creation of a ZIP file from a bunch of 
>> individual files.
>> 
>> One aspect that particularly interests me is the production of redundant 
>> static pages to reproduce the functionality of a dynamic experience. For 
>> example, consider a table of a few columns of data that we’d like to publish 
>> such that the user can click on a column heading to sort by it. The usual 
>> approach would be a small JS plugin that rearranges the DOM when the column 
>> header is clicked. Instead, we could pre-generate static HTML 
>> representations of every combination of sorting for the table, and then 
>> construct links between them. So, if the initial rendering is ordered by 
>> first name, and the user clicks on the column for the second name, they 
>> would actually be navigating to a different rendering of the data sorted by 
>> second name.
>> 
>> I believe that this approach could go a long way: a sort of flipbook 
>> approach to user interface design.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 May 2018, at 04:02, Greg Davis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mark S.
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Well if it is Science Fiction there is always Baen official slush for 
>>> publication  http://baen.com/
>>> 
>>> If you have not given it to a beta reader and/or editor. You can try the 
>>> crit forums on Baen's Bar (have to register) the Slush Pile is for general 
>>> critiques. Other critique forums are Baen's Universe Slush is for short 
>>> stories and 1632 Slush is for stories in Eric Flint's Ring of Fire 
>>> Universe. http://bar.baen.com/
>>> 
 On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 9:48:31 PM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
 I guess we're all in the same boat. I've got one medium story finished, 
 but wasn't sure where to submit it.
 
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> Tony
> 
> GO FOR IT ! !
> 
> Hey, I was IT. Life interrupted but I am trying to get back to the 
> project I started along time ago. First drafts and notes scattered all 
> over. Wish I'd had TiddlyWiki back then to keep track of everything.
> 
> Best Wishes,
> Greg
> 
>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 7:12:04 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>> Josiah,
>> 
>> The incentive is very powerful for a sub-sector of users, when I was 
>> younger I wanted to be a cosmologist and science fiction writer.  An IT 
>> career happened instead. Only recently I started to think about writing 
>> again because I could build a universe, a solar system and a number of 
>> planets and document it in TiddlyWiki. To think that within that wiki 
>> the eventual content can be produced then published to a common reader 
>> format sounds great. We can do this to PDF with our browsers so what 
>> extra value is direct to epub offer? I imagine a richer index and more?
>> 
>> If however there are good PDF to epub converters I would not waste

Re: [tw5] Re: export to ebook format (epub)

2018-05-26 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Mark

> The thing with redundant copies is, wouldn't the user have to use the back 
> key? Or a "return" link? And how would you hide those redundant copies?

EPUB readers do not in my experience typically offer a “back” button, but 
rather navigation via the “spine” of the book (an ordered list of the HTML 
pages within it).

As far as I can tell, EPUBs may contain pages that are not included in the 
“spine” or the table of contents, and thus can only be navigated via hyperlinks.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> -- Mark
> 
>> On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 9:58:47 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>> Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>> 
>>> [...] pre-generate static HTML representations of every combination of 
>>> sorting for the table, and then construct links between them. So, if the 
>>> initial rendering is ordered by first name, and the user clicks on the 
>>> column for the second name, they would actually be navigating to a 
>>> different rendering of the data sorted by second name.
>> 
>> Redundant copies, covering every output case? Now that idea was unexpected.
>> 
>> Might CSS ordering be an option? 
>> https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/css3_pr_order.asp
>>  
>> <:-)
>> 
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[tw5] Re: concerning the {display:none} value for title, subtitle

Thank you very much for the reply and clarification. So I had invoked 
global (which wasn't my intention, was trying to keep it all styling for 
data tagged tiddlers) when I separated the padding and title into 2 
separate rules.  Now to figure out how to get them as one rule.  Each tc 
element has its own set of {} which seem to make it a separate rule.  
Please have patience, I'm more on application side, I learn enough coding 
to apply something to my use, so I'm figuring it out by trial and error.

As Agent Cooper would say, you have a " damned fine" piece of software 
here, the guilty parties should be proud.

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