[tw5] Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

2019-05-14 Thread Riz
I like the direction of discussion, even if I don't exactly grasp the 
advantages of the original post. It is high time to update the default css of 
tiddlywiki. I suggest rather than building it from scratch up, base it upon an 
existing css framework like skeleton.css(3kb) -  which will give decent 
typography, convienient grids and responsive layout overall.

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[tw5] Re: Narrative overview of the TiddlyWiki platform

2019-05-14 Thread TonyM
Thanks Gloom, I would love to hear the response.

Perhaps a less technical version may help for the computer shy

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 11:26:55 AM UTC+10, A Gloom wrote:
>
> Nice, I'll be studying this to see if I have any suggestions-- been 
> working a lot lately on the local drve & file hosted CMS angle.  Just 
> started playing with x3d files...
>
> Actually passed the link to this to a potential new user to see what their 
> reaction would be.
>

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[tw5] Re: Resize Embedded Video

2019-05-14 Thread A Gloom
On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 12:33:10 AM UTC-4, donmor3000 wrote:
>
> Well, I think the "object-fit: contain" thing matters actually.
>

I thought so, I had to use object-fit:contain on ,  & 


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[tw5] Re: Narrative overview of the TiddlyWiki platform

2019-05-14 Thread A Gloom
Nice, I'll be studying this to see if I have any suggestions-- been working 
a lot lately on the local drve & file hosted CMS angle.  Just started 
playing with x3d files...

Actually passed the link to this to a potential new user to see what their 
reaction would be.

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[tw5] Re: #BOB info request -- what are the logging levels? Are they helpful to know?

2019-05-14 Thread Jed Carty
The information about logging levels is written in 
$:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/Logging (or on GitHub: 
https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob/blob/dev/Documentation/Logging.tid) , 
like the rest of the documentation it may be a bit terse but it is what I 
have written so far. I haven't added in a lot of debug logging yet.

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Re: [tw5] How to do plugin translations

2019-05-14 Thread Sylvain Comte
Well, the macro was designed to help autonomous translation for devs or
users in a easy and clearly distinct way from <>. It's transparent
for users and doesn't use bundled tiddlers.

I'm a bit agnostic about the best convention to adopt. I'm sure that there
would be better advice here around (or on the dev forum)

By the way it's pretty easy to hack the i18n macro to change behaviour. So
we just have to decide ;-)

Best regards

Sylvain
@sycom

Le mar. 14 mai 2019 à 20:08, Flibbles  a
écrit :

> All right. So i18n can support whatever domain I configure it to, but then
> that brings me back to my original question. What would be the most
> appropriate domain to use.
>
> *$:/plugins/vendor_name/plugin_name/...*
>
> or
>
> *$:/language/vendor_name/plugin_name/...*
>
> Convention suggests the first, but the second makes more sense if you
> consider that plugin translations would be separate from the plugins, and
> it seems like it may be more appropriate for a final solution.
>
> -Flibbles
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 10:49:40 AM UTC-4, SylvainComte wrote:
>>
>> Just to be complete about this, see usage for Feather Icons Plugin
>> ,
>> i18n tiddlers are
>>
>>- ...
>>- $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/en-GB
>>- $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/en-GB/macrosIntro
>>- $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/en-GB/readme
>>- $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/en-GB/usage
>>- $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/fr-FR
>>- $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/fr-FR/macrosIntro
>>- $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/fr-FR/readme
>>- $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/fr-FR/usage
>>- ...
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Sylvain
>> @sycom
>>
>> Le mardi 14 mai 2019 11:00:44 UTC+2, SylvainComte a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> The behaviour is somewhat different with the domain parameter : your
>>> translations will be in
>>>
>>> domain/i18n/lg-LG
>>>
>>> Default value is $:/ but it's up to you and might be
>>> $:/plugins/plugin_vendor/plugin_name and your translations will be in
>>>
>>> $:/plugins/plugin_vendor/plugin_name/i18n/lg-LG
>>>
>>> So it seems there's no conflict with your philosophy. But I guess
>>> documentation should be more explicit.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Sylvain
>>> @sycom
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

2019-05-14 Thread Mat

>
> In the original example. Menu sticks. All items are expanded already. 
>

Then no need for any expanding ToC then; just make it a list.
 

> Click menu and whole river scrolls up and down 
>

No prob as long as everything is already opened which is simple if the menu 
is a list, i.e just use the same list for default tiddlers.
 

> AND the clicked menu item is styled (highlighted) to give orientation. 
>

OK... the menu titles could really be buttons that trigger some styling 
or checkbox is probably even better...
 

> AND its on the left.
>

LeftBar  could maybe be used as a starting 
point or maybe it's a bit ambitious.
 

Now, forgive me if this all sounds like I'm about to create this which I'm 
not because I don't currently have the time to do anything "deeper" in TW 
(and if I did, I already have several loose ends hanging). But hopefully my 
probing did help to clarify what you really asked for which should be 
useful for anyone actually designing it.

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] How to do plugin translations

2019-05-14 Thread Flibbles
All right. So i18n can support whatever domain I configure it to, but then 
that brings me back to my original question. What would be the most 
appropriate domain to use.

*$:/plugins/vendor_name/plugin_name/...*

or

*$:/language/vendor_name/plugin_name/...*

Convention suggests the first, but the second makes more sense if you 
consider that plugin translations would be separate from the plugins, and 
it seems like it may be more appropriate for a final solution.

-Flibbles

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 10:49:40 AM UTC-4, SylvainComte wrote:
>
> Just to be complete about this, see usage for Feather Icons Plugin 
> , 
> i18n tiddlers are
>
>- ...
>- $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/en-GB
>- $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/en-GB/macrosIntro
>- $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/en-GB/readme
>- $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/en-GB/usage
>- $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/fr-FR
>- $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/fr-FR/macrosIntro
>- $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/fr-FR/readme
>- $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/fr-FR/usage
>- ...
>
> cheers
>
> Sylvain
> @sycom
>
> Le mardi 14 mai 2019 11:00:44 UTC+2, SylvainComte a écrit :
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The behaviour is somewhat different with the domain parameter : your 
>> translations will be in 
>>
>> domain/i18n/lg-LG
>>
>> Default value is $:/ but it's up to you and might be 
>> $:/plugins/plugin_vendor/plugin_name and your translations will be in
>>
>> $:/plugins/plugin_vendor/plugin_name/i18n/lg-LG
>>
>> So it seems there's no conflict with your philosophy. But I guess 
>> documentation should be more explicit.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Sylvain
>> @sycom
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

2019-05-14 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
I won't rise to your cryptic amelioration :-)

In the original example. Menu sticks. All items are expanded already. Click 
menu and whole river scrolls up and down AND the clicked menu item is 
styled (highlighted) to give orientation. AND its on the left.

Josiah, x

On Tuesday, 14 May 2019 19:12:11 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Click left. Align any top on click. Menu persists in place.
>>
>
> Cryptic language. But OK; In what way does standard TW not align any 
> tiddler at top when title is clicked and the menu persists?
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

2019-05-14 Thread Mat
@TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Click left. Align any top on click. Menu persists in place.
>

Cryptic language. But OK; In what way does standard TW not align any 
tiddler at top when title is clicked and the menu persists?

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

2019-05-14 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Click left. Align any top on click. Menu persists in place.

Excuse me if done. 

I'd need an example as I have not seen one yet. I'd be on it like a rabbit 
if I had.

J, x

On Tuesday, 14 May 2019 18:10:10 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> Do we have nice CSS & TOC's & ID's to do this in TiddlyWiki easily?
>>
>
> Do what actually? Have the "Open" list to the left of the river? Or what 
> is special?
>
> <:-) 
>

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[tw5] Re: Whats happening here?

2019-05-14 Thread Mat

>
> Why is this so? AFAIK filter contains names of potential tiddlers and the 
> variable currentTiddler would take up a value when there is a match. When 
> there are no tiddlers to match, why should currentTiddler variable take up 
> those values?
>

Maybe your question is on a deeper level than I understand it but if not 
then;

A list of titles or strings work as constructors 
 when in a 
filter so currentTiddler really refers to the current tiddler title which 
is the item for the current list loop iteration.  

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

2019-05-14 Thread Mat

>
> Do we have nice CSS & TOC's & ID's to do this in TiddlyWiki easily?
>

Do what actually? Have the "Open" list to the left of the river? Or what is 
special?

<:-) 

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Re: [tw5] How to do plugin translations

2019-05-14 Thread SylvainComte
Just to be complete about this, see usage for Feather Icons Plugin 
, i18n 
tiddlers are

   - ...
   - $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/en-GB
   - $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/en-GB/macrosIntro
   - $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/en-GB/readme
   - $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/en-GB/usage
   - $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/fr-FR
   - $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/fr-FR/macrosIntro
   - $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/fr-FR/readme
   - $:/plugins/sycom/feather-icons/i18n/fr-FR/usage
   - ...

cheers

Sylvain
@sycom

Le mardi 14 mai 2019 11:00:44 UTC+2, SylvainComte a écrit :
>
> Hello,
>
> The behaviour is somewhat different with the domain parameter : your 
> translations will be in 
>
> domain/i18n/lg-LG
>
> Default value is $:/ but it's up to you and might be 
> $:/plugins/plugin_vendor/plugin_name and your translations will be in
>
> $:/plugins/plugin_vendor/plugin_name/i18n/lg-LG
>
> So it seems there's no conflict with your philosophy. But I guess 
> documentation should be more explicit.
>
> Cheers
>
> Sylvain
> @sycom
>
>

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[tw5] Re: #BOB info request -- what are the logging levels? Are they helpful to know?

2019-05-14 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Repeat for emailers.

On Tuesday, 14 May 2019 16:39:06 UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Docs at "$:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/Configuration" describe possible (very 
> rich!) log setting under  logging .
>
> I am interested in having the Console feedback be rich. Set via  
> consoleLogLevel 
> ?
>
> But there is no description I can see of the the levels available or how 
> many there are and the differences between them.
>
> Basic question: could they be useful on stand-alone BobEXE. 
>
> If so, what are the levels and what do they differently report?
>
> Just a request
> Josiah
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Whats happening here?

2019-05-14 Thread TonyM
Of course if you use the list widgets variable=variablname it will be that 
rather than current Tiddler. Current tiddler is just the helpful default 
variable name as well as letting everything inside the list refer just to the 
current tiddler. For each title that results from the filter.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Why do Startup Actions not work?

2019-05-14 Thread TonyM
Josiah et al

Using Jeds startup actions I have what I need to force users to give, select or 
use their existing username before proceeding to the wiki.

I will publish when finished. 

I will then design a version with passwords and private encrypted tiddlers

And later tw-reciever passcode for php save and some local storage tricks and 
check-in / user comitt tricks.

Help would be appreciated, as anyone with my vision could help.

Regards
Tony

 

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[tw5] Re: Narrative overview of the TiddlyWiki platform

2019-05-14 Thread TonyM
Am,

I have not published anything yet. But here is the short form from memory.

Rename a tiddlywiki file to a name.aspx file. Upload to a document library or 
ideally a sitepages or wiki pages library because they get served faster. Get 
one user to check it out so others can't save it. Capture the fill link to it 
or use SharePoint sharing options.

I am in the process of building an internal checkout process so serial editors 
can use a wiki without fear of overwriting.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Whats happening here?

2019-05-14 Thread passingby


On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Although the attribute is called "filter", some filter operators can 
> generate entries (titles). The titles will be generated even if there is no 
> existing tiddler with that name. This turns out to be very useful in many 
> situations. 
>

This certainly would be helpful in some cases. 



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[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

2019-05-14 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Repeat for those on email.

On Tuesday, 14 May 2019 14:49:24 UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I like visual design, especially navigation, almost as much as operetta (
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H--Z9UzQYE).
>
> I can't do code, but I can do thought ...
>
> Do we have nice CSS & TOC's & ID's to do this in TiddlyWiki easily?
>
> [image: Annotation 2019-05-14 144218.jpg]
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> Best wishes
> @TiddlyTweeter
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[tw5] Re: Why do Startup Actions not work?

2019-05-14 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
TonyM

Nice catch!

I'd assumed that work of Jed's had been superseded! 

Obviously it isn't. You walked the mile to find out.

The *problem* of naming things? How did you know to do the distance? 
Serendipity?

J.

TonyM wrote:
>
> I have found via TiddlyWiki Toolmap this following plugin 
> https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/StartupActions/
> Which achives what I want.
>
> I missed this because I thought it was incorporated into the new startup 
> actions mechanism. With Startup actions being so importiant to a wikis 
> opperations I would loike to see it extended to opperate as this solution 
> works.
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] BobEXE for testing, version 1.2.3

2019-05-14 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Jed

BobEXE: TiddlyWiki version 5.1.19 with Bob version 1.2.3 revision a3

Windows 10 64bit, tablet. Latest Firefox & Chrome.

*Portability issue on start pathing?*

Not sure if this is my issue in understanding Bob portability? 

 

I had a crash some time after I changed, in testing, "wikiPathBase" from "
C:\bag\tw5\bob_123a3" to the relative "." (=Windows, where the expected 
executable is). It, sometime later crashed and and made the IndexWiki 
inoperable. I had to re-configure it. Other wiki were fine.


The crash did not occur immediately so it confused me at first what was the 
possible thing I did wrong? 

 

I *think* it was the base path setting change I made?


After I changed "wikiPathBase" back to the default the issue disappeared.


FYI, the console reported on initial crash ...


path.js:39
throw new ERR_INVALID_ARG_TYPE('path', 'string', path);
^

TypeError [ERR_INVALID_ARG_TYPE]: The "path" argument must be of type string. 
Received type object
at assertPath (path.js:39:11)
at Object.join (path.js:434:7)
at FSWatcher. ($:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/FileSystemMonitor.js:87:31)
at FSWatcher.emit (events.js:182:13)
at FSEvent.FSWatcher._handle.onchange (fs.js:1380:12)


 And after restart (with the "." path setting still in place) ...


$:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/WebsocketAdaptor.js:114
  filename = path.basename(filepath);
   ^

TypeError: Assignment to constant variable.
at $:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/WebsocketAdaptor.js:114:20
at FSReqWrap.oncomplete (fs.js:171:20)


Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Bob Tips #3 -- Basics for Windows users

2019-05-14 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
I updated the original post 
 to ...

-- provide a slightly improved batch file to launch Bob;

-- indicate that there may be a minor issue with Bob "portability" I 
overlooked and need to get clearer about.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] BobEXE for testing, version 1.2.3

2019-05-14 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Jed wrote...
>
> I haven't implemented a good solution to the alerts yet, the best I have 
> so far is an option to disable the alerts in a wiki, or a setting to 
> disable them globally.


*On alerts ...*

Not sure it applies to others, but I mostly work in bobCentral, the 
IndexWiki, to do things that create alerts. In my usage just having them on 
the IndexWiki would be enough. For other wiki I can look at the console if 
I need to. 

Just a comment
Josiah

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Re: [tw5] How to do plugin translations

2019-05-14 Thread SylvainComte
Hello,

The behaviour is somewhat different with the domain parameter : your 
translations will be in 

domain/i18n/lg-LG

Default value is $:/ but it's up to you and might be 
$:/plugins/plugin_vendor/plugin_name and your translations will be in

$:/plugins/plugin_vendor/plugin_name/i18n/lg-LG

So it seems there's no conflict with your philosophy. But I guess documentation 
should be more explicit.

Cheers

Sylvain
@sycom

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[tw5] Re: Narrative overview of the TiddlyWiki platform

2019-05-14 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao TonyM

Good presentation. What I like is it doesn't get bogged down in explaining 
setup (platforms + savers); rather it focuses on usage once running. Also 
the scope is good, phrased in terms of a range of user intents & levels of 
competence.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Narrative overview of the TiddlyWiki platform

2019-05-14 Thread Stefan Pfister
Hi,

impressive text. How can I use TW with an sharepoint account? Is there some 
kind of documentation?

Regards, 
Stefan

Am Montag, 13. Mai 2019 03:58:18 UTC+2 schrieb TonyM:
>
> Folks,
>
>- TiddlyWiki can be made into a *Hypertext Application* to run in 
>internet Explorer simply be renaming to a wikiname.hta file or operate on 
>top of *SharePoint and IIS* as an wikiname.aspx file or accessed via 
>hostname or domain address.
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