Re: [tw5] Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as Electron app?

[Edoardo Tenani]

Hello Jed,

I completely missed that BobEXE had a Linux version!

I'll try it out, thanks!

Best,
Edoardo

On Sat, 19 Sep 2020, 00:09 Jed Carty,  wrote:

> While it isn't electron BobEXE is an executable that runs the node version
> of tiddlywiki. I had considered using electron for it but then remembered
> that I really dislike electron so I used nexe instead.
>
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases
>
> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 1:53:52 PM UTC+2 edoardo...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Not exactly, that link uses electron to display a HTML TW (this is my
>> understanding).
>>
>> I would have liked an example with electron loading a nodejs version
>> (using the npm tiddlywiki CLI) so displaying a wiki at http://localhost.
>> I had troubles and was wondering is someone else made it work :)
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as Electron app?

[Edoardo Tenani]

Not exactly, that link uses electron to display a HTML TW (this is my
understanding).

I would have liked an example with electron loading a nodejs version (using
the npm tiddlywiki CLI) so displaying a wiki at http://localhost. I had
troubles and was wondering is someone else made it work :)

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as Electron app?

[Edoardo Tenani]

Hello Arlen,

by chance do you have an example using the nodejs version of TiddlyWiki? I 
was trying to do that a couple of days ago but I would get an 
initialization error (a null path during boot) when loading the TW from an 
electron window.

On Tuesday, 16 May 2017 at 01:08:50 UTC+2 arle...@gmail.com wrote:

> https://gist.github.com/Arlen22/45f1a460c9e348fa50ad
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Arlen Beiler  wrote:
>
>> I should add that you need to do a bit of coding for both.
>>
>> On May 15, 2017 07:44, "Arlen Beiler"  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, you can run TiddlyWiki 5 on electron. I have done it with both HTML 
>>> files and the NodeJS code that can be downloaded from NPM or GitHub. It is 
>>> fairly easy and works well.
>>>
>>> On May 15, 2017 06:25, "PMario"  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Dave,

 TiddlyDesktop is a very similar project, but using a different 
 framework [1] https://nwjs.io/ . ... The problem with apps like this 
 is, that users start to demand functionality, that they are used from 
 standard web browsers... Jeremy clearly stated, that he doesn't want to go 
 that route, which is very understandable. 

 Electron is a framework, with a different approach. Electron 
  [2]  emerged out of the Atom 
  [3] text editor project, which, i think, was 
 launched by github, at a later date than nwjs.

 The cool thing about Electron is its multi platform approach. So you 
 can build macOs, Linux and Windows apps, with just one build source. ... 
 That doesn't mean, that everything is easy, but it means its possible, 
 with 
 the right resources. ... 

 There are actually several Electron apps, where users, don't even 
 recognize the difference to native apps. ... For more about this, see the 
 electron homepage.  

 BETA - BETA - BETA

 There is a cool project, that I'm watching since some time now. ... 
 Actually Jeremy pointed me in that direction, in connection to the DAT 
 project [4] . ...

 The beaker browser  [5]. It is only 
 available for macOS at the moment. Linux binaries (that I play with) have 
 to be built from source. Windows builds don't work yet. 

 This browser exposes a file API, that can be used by TiddlyWiki to save 
 itself. ... Jeremy implemented a file saver module in the version 5.1.14, 
 which is very promising. ... 

 Since the whole stuff is still in beta status, there are a lot of 
 changes going on, in the whole stack. So with the upcoming beaker 
 version 
  
 [6] v0.7.0, it seems, we need to modify the TW module a bit. ... more 
 investigations needed!

 If you have a closer look at the DAT project, you'll see it would be a 
 very nice fit for the TiddlyWiki community. .. 

 just some thoughts 
 have fun!
 mario


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Re: [tw5] Re: Newcomer struggles

[Edoardo Tenani]

Hi Saq,

thank you for the reply!

> Part of the reason you are having trouble locating the source code
repositories for plugins is that a lot of the community contributors are
not developers, and do not use Github (or any other form of version
control).
> This is further complicated by the fact the traditional form of
TiddlyWiki is a single HTML file, and the established way of installing
plugins there is by dragging and dropping tiddlers from one wiki to
another.

Is there any plan to improve on this side? Plugin discovery and updates
seems very manual with lot of potential problems (like version
compatibility). Asking mainly because I may help around that area.

> Note that this does work on the Node.js version of TiddlyWiki as well.

That's awesome and I didn't know that. I'll try this out then, seems a
perfect starting point :)

Thanks a lot,
Edoardo

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On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 17:56, Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Hi Edoardo,
>
> Part of the reason you are having trouble locating the source code
> repositories for plugins is that a lot of the community contributors are
> not developers, and do not use Github (or any other form of version
> control).
>
> This is further complicated by the fact the traditional form of TiddlyWiki
> is a single HTML file, and the established way of installing plugins there
> is by dragging and dropping tiddlers from one wiki to another.
>
> Note that this does work on the Node.js version of TiddlyWiki as well. I
> am unsure what specific requirements NoteSelf adds to the process of
> installing plugins.
> Hope this helps,
> Saq
>
> On Thursday, September 17, 2020 at 4:16:38 PM UTC+2, Edoardo Tenani wrote:
>>
>> PS: it seems I also can't update labels I would have added the "newbie"
>> one otherwise (I followed instructions here
>> <https://support.google.com/groups/answer/2645570?hl=en>)
>>
>> On Thursday, 17 September 2020 at 16:13:14 UTC+2 Edoardo Tenani wrote:
>>
>>> Hello TW community!
>>>
>>> I'm so pleased to see this project still alive and thriving after so
>>> many years I used it for the first time (I guess 8/10 years ago :D)
>>>
>>> After many years of linear note taking my bag of knowledge require some
>>> polishing. I was looking forward to solutions and found Roam, RemNote and
>>> finally TW.
>>>
>>> I would like to settle on TW because feels the proper solution for me
>>> (extensible, hackable and self-hostable), but I'm struggling to set it up
>>> like I would like. I guess most of my issues relates to the variety of the
>>> ecosystem. I'm a fullstack web dev so I know my way around nodejs, js and
>>> the browser.
>>> But...
>>> I'm trying to setup a wiki, using the nodejs setup, installing some
>>> plugins and a theme. I fail to understand *where* to find some of the
>>> TW plugins I want.
>>>
>>> For example I'd like to merge TiddlyResearch
>>> <https://kebifurai.github.io/TiddlyResearch/> or Stroll
>>> <https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html> with NoteSelf
>>> <https://github.com/NoteSelf/NoteSelf.github.io> (mainly the goal is
>>> backlinks and references and a remote backend for storage). I was able to
>>> install some plugins by cloning their git repo but, for instance, I can't
>>> find the code for the mentioned ones. I tried downloading .tid files and
>>> placing into the tiddlers/ folder, but I'm not sure is working as expected.
>>>
>>> Any hint, suggestion or documentation I can look up to understand how to
>>> do that?
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Edoardo
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Newcomer struggles

[Edoardo Tenani]

PS: it seems I also can't update labels I would have added the "newbie" one 
otherwise (I followed instructions here 
<https://support.google.com/groups/answer/2645570?hl=en>)

On Thursday, 17 September 2020 at 16:13:14 UTC+2 Edoardo Tenani wrote:

> Hello TW community!
>
> I'm so pleased to see this project still alive and thriving after so many 
> years I used it for the first time (I guess 8/10 years ago :D)
>
> After many years of linear note taking my bag of knowledge require some 
> polishing. I was looking forward to solutions and found Roam, RemNote and 
> finally TW. 
>
> I would like to settle on TW because feels the proper solution for me 
> (extensible, hackable and self-hostable), but I'm struggling to set it up 
> like I would like. I guess most of my issues relates to the variety of the 
> ecosystem. I'm a fullstack web dev so I know my way around nodejs, js and 
> the browser. 
> But...
> I'm trying to setup a wiki, using the nodejs setup, installing some 
> plugins and a theme. I fail to understand *where* to find some of the TW 
> plugins I want.
>
> For example I'd like to merge TiddlyResearch 
> <https://kebifurai.github.io/TiddlyResearch/> or Stroll 
> <https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html> with NoteSelf 
> <https://github.com/NoteSelf/NoteSelf.github.io> (mainly the goal is 
> backlinks and references and a remote backend for storage). I was able to 
> install some plugins by cloning their git repo but, for instance, I can't 
> find the code for the mentioned ones. I tried downloading .tid files and 
> placing into the tiddlers/ folder, but I'm not sure is working as expected.
>
> Any hint, suggestion or documentation I can look up to understand how to 
> do that?
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Best,
> Edoardo
>

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[tw5] Newcomer struggles

[Edoardo Tenani]

Hello TW community!

I'm so pleased to see this project still alive and thriving after so many 
years I used it for the first time (I guess 8/10 years ago :D)

After many years of linear note taking my bag of knowledge require some 
polishing. I was looking forward to solutions and found Roam, RemNote and 
finally TW. 

I would like to settle on TW because feels the proper solution for me 
(extensible, hackable and self-hostable), but I'm struggling to set it up 
like I would like. I guess most of my issues relates to the variety of the 
ecosystem. I'm a fullstack web dev so I know my way around nodejs, js and 
the browser. 
But...
I'm trying to setup a wiki, using the nodejs setup, installing some plugins 
and a theme. I fail to understand *where* to find some of the TW plugins I 
want.

For example I'd like to merge TiddlyResearch 
 or Stroll 
 with NoteSelf 
 (mainly the goal is 
backlinks and references and a remote backend for storage). I was able to 
install some plugins by cloning their git repo but, for instance, I can't 
find the code for the mentioned ones. I tried downloading .tid files and 
placing into the tiddlers/ folder, but I'm not sure is working as expected.

Any hint, suggestion or documentation I can look up to understand how to do 
that?

Thanks a lot!

Best,
Edoardo

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