[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Klaus]

Correction: It does so almost. The title doesn't get updated when I close a 
tiddler.

On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 1:36:29 PM UTC+2, Klaus wrote:
>
> This indeed does what I wanted :)
>
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 12:31:43 AM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>>
>> Here's a simpler solution
>>
>> In the Ctrolpanel, exchange the wiki title for the following:
>>
>> {{$:/HistoryList!!current-tiddler}} 
>> TiddlyWiki
>>
>> I'm here assuming what you're requesting is for the *browser tab* to 
>> show the title of the current tiddler
>>
>> If you really want to see the name of the current tidldler all the time 
>> in the in the left bar, you just remove the div tags and only keep that 
>> transclusion part.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Klaus]

This indeed does what I wanted :)

On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 12:31:43 AM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> Here's a simpler solution
>
> In the Ctrolpanel, exchange the wiki title for the following:
>
> {{$:/HistoryList!!current-tiddler}} 
> TiddlyWiki
>
> I'm here assuming what you're requesting is for the *browser tab* to show 
> the title of the current tiddler
>
> If you really want to see the name of the current tidldler all the time in 
> the in the left bar, you just remove the div tags and only keep that 
> transclusion part.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Klaus]

Now that the base problem is solved... Is there some way to make the title 
of the browser tab reflect the name of the currently open tiddler?

E.g. instead of "My Work Wiki" I want the title to be either 
"MyCurrentTiddler" or "MyCurrentTiddler - My Work Wiki".

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Klaus]

Thanks for the tip! It is definitly useful for me.

However, it is so for a different use-case, as it won't allow freely mixing 
tiddly-wiki tabs with webpages and PDFs. 

 But I'd say bob remains the better option for me.

For me it is about being able to freely intersperse tabs from webmail, 
pdfs, and whatnot. Tabs within a browser tab don't help me with that, in 
the same way Windows in the desktop environments window manager don't help; 
Only browser tabs currently allow freely grouping and reordering related 
content manually.

On Sunday, August 11, 2019 at 2:47:31 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>
> See BJ's story Top tabs. You can keep the tabs inside Tiddlywiki this way.
>
> http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Rehards
> Tony
>
> On Sunday, August 11, 2019 at 8:24:16 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Bob is your only option then. The Bob exe install is very easy. I would 
>> say bob is multi-access.
>>
>> I have a large and sophisticated to do projects and reference wiki that I 
>> use everyday. I like using a 3 screen setup but my key wiki only needs one 
>> window. Perhaps there are design decisions you have made that are making 
>> additional tabs more desirable. One feature you may like tabs within 
>> tiddlywiki for open tiddlers. I will look for that plugin.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Klaus-Dieter Bauer]

Thanks for the tip! It is definitly useful for me.

However, it is so for a different use-case, as it won't allow freely mixing
tiddly-wiki tabs with webpages and PDFs.

 But I'd say bob remains the better option for me.

For me it is about being able to freely intersperse tabs from webmail,
pdfs, and whatnot. Tabs within a browser tab don't help me with that, in
the same way Windows in the desktop environments window manager don't help;
Only browser tabs currently allow freely grouping and reordering related
content manually.

Am So., 11. Aug. 2019 um 02:47 Uhr schrieb TonyM :

> See BJ's story Top tabs. You can keep the tabs inside Tiddlywiki this way.
>
> http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Rehards
> Tony
>
> On Sunday, August 11, 2019 at 8:24:16 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Bob is your only option then. The Bob exe install is very easy. I would
>> say bob is multi-access.
>>
>> I have a large and sophisticated to do projects and reference wiki that I
>> use everyday. I like using a 3 screen setup but my key wiki only needs one
>> window. Perhaps there are design decisions you have made that are making
>> additional tabs more desirable. One feature you may like tabs within
>> tiddlywiki for open tiddlers. I will look for that plugin.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Klaus]

I'll have to check, if Bob also works, if the files are synchronized in a 
Dropbox. "Multi-User" definitely works for multiple tabs though.

On Saturday, August 10, 2019 at 1:23:28 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> Klaus, as Mark notes - Bob <https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob> is 
> probably your answer.
>
> This thread made me realize something:
>
> If I use Bob, I would probably also be able to use TiddlyClip! A 
> limitation with TiddlyClip is that you cannot clip to multiple wikis *that 
> are in different windows*. That missing feature in TC has totally 
> prevented me from using it.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Klaus]

It doesn't really help; Windows are a mess compared to tabs, so I quite 
explicitly DON'T want to open them in new windows for task-management 
purposes.

On Saturday, August 10, 2019 at 3:52:18 PM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>
> Klaus
>
> You are aware if you open tiddlers in new window with the button provided 
> on tiddlers they still are in the parent wiki? For example open a table of 
> contents tiddler and you can remote control the tiddlers in the story of 
> the patent wiki.
>
> With a little imagination the tiddlers you open could do almost anything.
>
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Klaus]

Workflow mostly. As I work I open tabs, and then work my way through them. 
With multiple tiddly-wiki tabs, I would be able to integrate tiddlywiki in 
the overall workflow better.

Anther example would be having a tasklist tiddler as a pinned tab in 
Chrome, while using separate tabs for actually doing the work, especially 
when frequent context switches are needed.

On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 5:05:33 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I'm curious, what is your use case that requires you to have the same TW 
> open in multiple tabs? I'm always trying to reduce the number of open tabs.
>
> I believe Bob <https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob> is  aware when changes 
> occur. 
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 7:57:12 AM UTC-7, Klaus wrote:
>>
>> As I understand, at least the single-file use of TiddlyWiki isn't safe to 
>> use in multiple tabs, as each tab will not learn of changes saved in 
>> another; Saving from multiple tabs may thus result in lost changes.
>>
>> A similar problem seems to appear still when using the NodeJS server, 
>> albeit to a lesser degree; While the changes don't get lost, tiddlers in 
>> tabs others than the one that made the change, were not updated.
>>
>> Is there any set-up that allows to safely use TiddlyWiki across multiple 
>> browser-tabs or devices without the risk of losing changes?
>>
>

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[tw5] Using TiddlyWiki in multiple tabs?

[Klaus]

As I understand, at least the single-file use of TiddlyWiki isn't safe to 
use in multiple tabs, as each tab will not learn of changes saved in 
another; Saving from multiple tabs may thus result in lost changes.

A similar problem seems to appear still when using the NodeJS server, 
albeit to a lesser degree; While the changes don't get lost, tiddlers in 
tabs others than the one that made the change, were not updated.

Is there any set-up that allows to safely use TiddlyWiki across multiple 
browser-tabs or devices without the risk of losing changes?

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[tw5] Re: Preview vs sidebar: How to get decently sized side-bar?

[Klaus]

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 9:44:37 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> Klaus, I use the SideEditor <http://sideeditor.tiddlyspot.com/> for this 
> very reason.
>
> It is ripe for an update, but it works OK at least for me.
>
> <:-)
>

That plugin is pretty neat for this purpose :)

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 7:03:01 PM UTC+2, Riz wrote:
>
> Drag and drop the attached.
>
> In general, go to advanced search, switch to filter tab and search for 
> common terms like "button edit save". 
>
> Sincerely,
> Riz
>
 
Thanks, that helped. I was able to add "disable the preview" to the 
behavior of the "save" button this way.

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[tw5] Re: Preview vs sidebar: How to get decently sized side-bar?

[Klaus]

I tried the *"Fluid Story, fixed sidebar"* option, but it results in overly 
wide tiddlers, which are hard to read -- especially when they have frequent 
line breaks due to KaTeX equations.

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 4:12:36 PM UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:
>
> While you can use the elegant solution by Riz, have you tried
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com
> /#%24%3A%2Fthemes%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fvanilla%2Fthemetweaks
> and then choose Fluid story,fixed sidebar
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 5:03:15 PM UTC+4:30, Klaus wrote:
>>
>> I am trying to get started with TiddlyWiki 5. Since my notes will contain 
>> a lot of math, I have installed the KaTeX plugin, and the Preview pane 
>> really helps editing the contents.
>>
>> However, I have found that I am constantly hiding and unhiding the 
>> sidebar when editing those notes:
>>
>>- When the sidebar is visible, the text-field for editing and the 
>>preview pane are both far too narrow.
>>- When the sidebar is hidden, notes that are not currently being 
>>edited are far too wide.
>>
>> Is there some solution to get around this? I can imagine the following 
>> options:
>>
>>1. Auto-hide the side-bar when editing a tiddler and/or when 
>>previewing is toggled.
>>2. Displaying the preview in the sidebar instead of in the tiddler 
>>column.
>>3. Having a hotkey for toggling the sidebar.
>>
>> None of these seem to be supported out of the box.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Preview vs sidebar: How to get decently sized side-bar?

[Klaus]

Thanks! Your solution does most of what I need.

Sadly, it doesn't toggle the sidebar back, when confirming an edit, leaving 
an overly wide view of the tiddlers. 

[image: screenshot-tiddlywiki-2.png]


How did you find out which Tiddler to edit? I may be able to take it from 
there, if I can find out which tiddler controls the "Confirm changes to 
this tiddler" button.


On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 3:40:16 PM UTC+2, Riz wrote:
>
> Attached is the modified show preiview button that will do what you asked. 
> That is
> - When preview is toggled on, sidebar will be toggled to hide
> - When preview is toggled off, sidebar will be toggled to show
>
> Drag and drop it to your wiki, import it, and try toggling preview
> On Wednesday, 7 August 2019 18:03:15 UTC+5:30, Klaus wrote:
>>
>> I am trying to get started with TiddlyWiki 5. Since my notes will contain 
>> a lot of math, I have installed the KaTeX plugin, and the Preview pane 
>> really helps editing the contents.
>>
>> However, I have found that I am constantly hiding and unhiding the 
>> sidebar when editing those notes:
>>
>>- When the sidebar is visible, the text-field for editing and the 
>>preview pane are both far too narrow.
>>- When the sidebar is hidden, notes that are not currently being 
>>edited are far too wide.
>>
>> Is there some solution to get around this? I can imagine the following 
>> options:
>>
>>1. Auto-hide the side-bar when editing a tiddler and/or when 
>>previewing is toggled.
>>2. Displaying the preview in the sidebar instead of in the tiddler 
>>column.
>>3. Having a hotkey for toggling the sidebar.
>>
>> None of these seem to be supported out of the box.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Preview vs sidebar: How to get decently sized side-bar?

[Klaus]

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 2:47:22 PM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi Klaus, 
>
> Can you post an image, with the sidebar and the preview pane active?
>
> -m
>

[image: screenshot-tiddlywiki.png]


As you can see, the preview text is cramped, leading to cut-off equations 
in KaTeX.
 

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[tw5] Preview vs sidebar: How to get decently sized side-bar?

[Klaus]

I am trying to get started with TiddlyWiki 5. Since my notes will contain a 
lot of math, I have installed the KaTeX plugin, and the Preview pane really 
helps editing the contents.

However, I have found that I am constantly hiding and unhiding the sidebar 
when editing those notes:

   - When the sidebar is visible, the text-field for editing and the 
   preview pane are both far too narrow.
   - When the sidebar is hidden, notes that are not currently being edited 
   are far too wide.

Is there some solution to get around this? I can imagine the following 
options:

   1. Auto-hide the side-bar when editing a tiddler and/or when previewing 
   is toggled.
   2. Displaying the preview in the sidebar instead of in the tiddler 
   column.
   3. Having a hotkey for toggling the sidebar.

None of these seem to be supported out of the box.

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[tw] Encrypted TW

['Klaus Boenkost' via TiddlyWiki]

Tiddlywiki 5.1.14: An encrypted TW can not be opened on my Android Phone with 
andtidwiki. What's wrong?

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