Re: [tw] [TW5] Encrypt Tiddler Plugin: now with batch encrypt of tiddlers (Plugin Release)
@jed, I think this is a useful perspective to develop I am no novice to development in general and understand many different web technologies and I still get lost understanding and working with TiddlyWIki! Under the hood lies a powerful beast that I have discovered pretty much negates the use of all that lower level stuff I have spent years working with and learning. It really is more of its own framework than a basic webpage I think many developers may think that there's not enough in TiddlyWiki to keep them interested. Exposing the nature of the 'powerful beast' to developer audiences, and others interested in technical and conceptual beauty. I have become interested in the Quine aspect of TiddlyWiki and Jeremy's inspiration, Alex On Wednesday, 27 May 2015, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com wrote: Hello Danielo, Could you take a moment to explain what encryption protocol you used, and what the bit equivalent would be? I recall that there was an encryption plugin for TWC that had had something like 56 bits. Thanks! Mark On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 3:09:17 PM UTC-7, Danielo Rodríguez wrote: Hello everyone. I just updated my first plugin ( it's been a long time since I did it): Encrypt Tiddler plugin. For those that don't know what it does this plugin adds the ability to encrypt your tiddlers individually. One of the new features of 2.1 version (very demanded by the community) is the ability to encrypt several tiddlers at once. This is now possible from the control panel. Take a look at: http://danielorodriguez.com/TW5-EncryptTiddlerPlugin/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tiddlywiki%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com'); . To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com');. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/6eb3e46a-b11b-46dc-ad1d-93c49ea5070b%40googlegroups.com https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/6eb3e46a-b11b-46dc-ad1d-93c49ea5070b%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/CALc1hYdZtQEqyq8Su-7bxi78jB_sViXeTt39KaDDZ8y7Z_Fq0w%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Encrypt Tiddler Plugin: now with batch encrypt of tiddlers (Plugin Release)
That's reassuring, thanks Danielo Jon. On Monday, 6 April 2015 17:12:19 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote: El domingo, 5 de abril de 2015, 13:41:37 (UTC+2), Jon escribió: Hi Danielo, I wouldn't have a use for the double encryption but the wiki I dragged the plugin to first happened to be already encrypted and then I got the error. As you'd referred to double encryption, I was just reporting back my findings. And I'm grateful for that. Sorry if I did not sound like that. By the way, before I start using it properly, can you give any assurances as to how robust it is? In other words is there any chance of it not working for some reason and the tiddlers won't open? If you are talking about Encryption robustness it is as robust as the TW5 mechanism itself. Regarding reliability... it worked on all the scenarios I tried, but maybe there could be some of them that I didn't think about. I can't give you any guarantee but there is no rocket science involved so it should be reliable. But before using it in any production/important scenario, please try it out with some usage scenarios close to what you are going to use with it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/1e29c2f1-8749-446c-81a4-d1fb98961564%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Encrypt Tiddler Plugin: now with batch encrypt of tiddlers (Plugin Release)
El martes, 7 de abril de 2015, 15:21:25 (UTC+2), Jon escribió: That's reassuring, thanks Danielo Jon. Sorry, I don't know if you are serious or it is just irony. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/19db6258-e746-4c16-89d4-e5d905761067%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Encrypt Tiddler Plugin: now with batch encrypt of tiddlers (Plugin Release)
Hi Danielo, No I'm serious! I'm a real novice in terms of all this stuff and I just wanted to gauge the risks of losing information before I used your plugin. If you say it is based on the TW5 mechanism (and I don't really understand what that means!) then I'm reassured! I would rather not use irony etc. on forums like this to avoid the risk of misunderstanding, particularly when there are multiple languages involved and responses may only be brief. Regards Jon On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 17:17:16 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote: El martes, 7 de abril de 2015, 15:21:25 (UTC+2), Jon escribió: That's reassuring, thanks Danielo Jon. Sorry, I don't know if you are serious or it is just irony. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/f56ac099-f863-4e04-8209-7562d7ee793a%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Encrypt Tiddler Plugin: now with batch encrypt of tiddlers (Plugin Release)
Hi Ed, Thanks for taking the time to make such a thoughtful reply. It was unexpected as I put Danielo's exchange down to a simple misunderstanding which hopefully is now resolved. What you said about TW is very interesting and helps me to put it into some context. I'll certainly keep asking questions (even though I know some of them will be a bit dumb!) and I'm very grateful for everything I've learned here from people on the forum. Best wishes Jon On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 05:07:04 UTC+1, Ed Dixon wrote: Jon, Don't feel bad I am no novice to development in general and understand many different web technologies and I still get lost understanding and working with TiddlyWIki! Under the hood lies a powerful beast that I have discovered pretty much negates the use of all that lower level stuff I have spent years working with and learning. It really is more of its own framework than a basic webpage and Jeremy elluded to the fact that the next Hangout (as far as I know yet to be scheduled) may provide serious considerations into treating it as such and I hope many here attend. What I think Daniello is referring to here is that he is using the native library built into TW5 to encrypt the individual tiddlers rather than a different one or one of his own design providing exactly the same level of security and vulnerability that the mechanism now used to encrypt the entire TW5 file has built in. More information about that is available from the developer docs at the main web site and staffords web site here : https://crypto.stanford.edu/sjcl/ Please do not interpret my answer too mean I am an expert at any of this. I answered this post because I know well that same state of confusion, have had fears many of my own questions could be misinterpreted, and I want you to know you are not alone in any of this. I also hope you will continue to ask questions where you find you need too. Jeremy does an excellent job of taking all this into consideration as he designs and directs things here to better help us and other users use TW5. Thanks, On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:28 PM Jon five...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hi Danielo, No I'm serious! I'm a real novice in terms of all this stuff and I just wanted to gauge the risks of losing information before I used your plugin. If you say it is based on the TW5 mechanism (and I don't really understand what that means!) then I'm reassured! I would rather not use irony etc. on forums like this to avoid the risk of misunderstanding, particularly when there are multiple languages involved and responses may only be brief. Regards Jon On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 17:17:16 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote: El martes, 7 de abril de 2015, 15:21:25 (UTC+2), Jon escribió: That's reassuring, thanks Danielo Jon. Sorry, I don't know if you are serious or it is just irony. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/aNGoP1w52qM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to tiddl...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/f56ac099-f863-4e04-8209-7562d7ee793a%40googlegroups.com https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/f56ac099-f863-4e04-8209-7562d7ee793a%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/5d2933e6-1dbf-4401-9d6c-3b7c8e778535%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Encrypt Tiddler Plugin: now with batch encrypt of tiddlers (Plugin Release)
Hi Jon It was unexpected as I put Danielo's exchange down to a simple misunderstanding which hopefully is now resolved. Of course it is. I was not sure if you feel confident to use the plugin or not, that's why I have asked. Sorry if I sounded rude, but as you saw, too short answers could be sometimes misinterpreted. Don't feel bad for asking, everyone here have asked a lot in order to understand Tiddlywiki. Thank you for comments. Please let me know if you find bugs/problems using my plugin or if you have suggestions. Regards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/c17a3057-36a6-413a-a3d1-045a10f1f8f1%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Encrypt Tiddler Plugin: now with batch encrypt of tiddlers (Plugin Release)
Jon, Don't feel bad I am no novice to development in general and understand many different web technologies and I still get lost understanding and working with TiddlyWIki! Under the hood lies a powerful beast that I have discovered pretty much negates the use of all that lower level stuff I have spent years working with and learning. It really is more of its own framework than a basic webpage and Jeremy elluded to the fact that the next Hangout (as far as I know yet to be scheduled) may provide serious considerations into treating it as such and I hope many here attend. What I think Daniello is referring to here is that he is using the native library built into TW5 to encrypt the individual tiddlers rather than a different one or one of his own design providing exactly the same level of security and vulnerability that the mechanism now used to encrypt the entire TW5 file has built in. More information about that is available from the developer docs at the main web site and staffords web site here : https://crypto.stanford.edu/sjcl/ Please do not interpret my answer too mean I am an expert at any of this. I answered this post because I know well that same state of confusion, have had fears many of my own questions could be misinterpreted, and I want you to know you are not alone in any of this. I also hope you will continue to ask questions where you find you need too. Jeremy does an excellent job of taking all this into consideration as he designs and directs things here to better help us and other users use TW5. Thanks, On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:28 PM Jon fiveri...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Danielo, No I'm serious! I'm a real novice in terms of all this stuff and I just wanted to gauge the risks of losing information before I used your plugin. If you say it is based on the TW5 mechanism (and I don't really understand what that means!) then I'm reassured! I would rather not use irony etc. on forums like this to avoid the risk of misunderstanding, particularly when there are multiple languages involved and responses may only be brief. Regards Jon On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 17:17:16 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote: El martes, 7 de abril de 2015, 15:21:25 (UTC+2), Jon escribió: That's reassuring, thanks Danielo Jon. Sorry, I don't know if you are serious or it is just irony. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/aNGoP1w52qM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/f56ac099-f863-4e04-8209-7562d7ee793a%40googlegroups.com https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/f56ac099-f863-4e04-8209-7562d7ee793a%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/CAMyuNKB6OiE91WEjJo3ckJHieXaBum3yfVU%3D9OvYyGHMVkTnww%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Encrypt Tiddler Plugin: now with batch encrypt of tiddlers (Plugin Release)
El domingo, 5 de abril de 2015, 13:41:37 (UTC+2), Jon escribió: Hi Danielo, I wouldn't have a use for the double encryption but the wiki I dragged the plugin to first happened to be already encrypted and then I got the error. As you'd referred to double encryption, I was just reporting back my findings. And I'm grateful for that. Sorry if I did not sound like that. By the way, before I start using it properly, can you give any assurances as to how robust it is? In other words is there any chance of it not working for some reason and the tiddlers won't open? If you are talking about Encryption robustness it is as robust as the TW5 mechanism itself. Regarding reliability... it worked on all the scenarios I tried, but maybe there could be some of them that I didn't think about. I can't give you any guarantee but there is no rocket science involved so it should be reliable. But before using it in any production/important scenario, please try it out with some usage scenarios close to what you are going to use with it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/56a45c84-cb19-4847-97e8-c5210f2ee4f5%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Encrypt Tiddler Plugin: now with batch encrypt of tiddlers (Plugin Release)
Really useful, Danielo. Thanks. ps. - I didn't try this, but theoretically you can apply double encryption by encrypting your wiki too. When I tried this (dragging plugin to an opened, encrypted file in tiddlydesktop) I got an Uncaught node.js Error Regards Jon On Saturday, 4 April 2015 23:41:50 UTC+1, Felix Küppers wrote: Very nice Danielo! On 05.04.2015 00:09, Danielo Rodríguez wrote: Hello everyone. I just updated my first plugin ( it's been a long time since I did it): Encrypt Tiddler plugin. For those that don't know what it does this plugin adds the ability to encrypt your tiddlers individually. One of the new features of 2.1 version (very demanded by the community) is the ability to encrypt several tiddlers at once. This is now possible from the control panel. Take a look at: http://danielorodriguez.com/TW5-EncryptTiddlerPlugin/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to tiddl...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/73b7ec5c-a675-40b7-9d4b-3c15c948111e%40googlegroups.com https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/73b7ec5c-a675-40b7-9d4b-3c15c948111e%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/f6d56f83-4a7a-4d79-ad56-3b86ed365842%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Encrypt Tiddler Plugin: now with batch encrypt of tiddlers (Plugin Release)
Hi Danielo, I wouldn't have a use for the double encryption but the wiki I dragged the plugin to first happened to be already encrypted and then I got the error. As you'd referred to double encryption, I was just reporting back my findings. By the way, before I start using it properly, can you give any assurances as to how robust it is? In other words is there any chance of it not working for some reason and the tiddlers won't open? Thanks Jon On Sunday, 5 April 2015 10:17:39 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote: Hello Jon El domingo, 5 de abril de 2015, 8:28:33 (UTC+2), Jon escribió: Really useful, Danielo. Thanks. Glad you find it useful When I tried this (dragging plugin to an opened, encrypted file in tiddlydesktop) I got an Uncaught node.js Error What do you mean exactly? That you are trying to install the plugin into an already encrypted wiki? I never tested this. Otherwise I don't see the relationship between applying double encryption with the fact that is not possible to install the plugin on an already encrypted wiki. They are different things. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/05df0e94-5870-4891-90af-5f213480349b%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Encrypt Tiddler Plugin: now with batch encrypt of tiddlers (Plugin Release)
Hello Jon El domingo, 5 de abril de 2015, 8:28:33 (UTC+2), Jon escribió: Really useful, Danielo. Thanks. Glad you find it useful When I tried this (dragging plugin to an opened, encrypted file in tiddlydesktop) I got an Uncaught node.js Error What do you mean exactly? That you are trying to install the plugin into an already encrypted wiki? I never tested this. Otherwise I don't see the relationship between applying double encryption with the fact that is not possible to install the plugin on an already encrypted wiki. They are different things. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/0a404828-0ca5-4e48-844d-0a4c383101ed%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] [TW5] Encrypt Tiddler Plugin: now with batch encrypt of tiddlers (Plugin Release)
Hello everyone. I just updated my first plugin ( it's been a long time since I did it): Encrypt Tiddler plugin. For those that don't know what it does this plugin adds the ability to encrypt your tiddlers individually. One of the new features of 2.1 version (very demanded by the community) is the ability to encrypt several tiddlers at once. This is now possible from the control panel. Take a look at: http://danielorodriguez.com/TW5-EncryptTiddlerPlugin/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/73b7ec5c-a675-40b7-9d4b-3c15c948111e%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Encrypt Tiddler Plugin: now with batch encrypt of tiddlers (Plugin Release)
Very nice Danielo! On 05.04.2015 00:09, Danielo Rodríguez wrote: Hello everyone. I just updated my first plugin ( it's been a long time since I did it): Encrypt Tiddler plugin. For those that don't know what it does this plugin adds the ability to encrypt your tiddlers individually. One of the new features of 2.1 version (very demanded by the community) is the ability to encrypt several tiddlers at once. This is now possible from the control panel. Take a look at: http://danielorodriguez.com/TW5-EncryptTiddlerPlugin/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com mailto:tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/73b7ec5c-a675-40b7-9d4b-3c15c948111e%40googlegroups.com https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/73b7ec5c-a675-40b7-9d4b-3c15c948111e%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/BLU436-SMTP2583011D6381E75FD818ADFCEF00%40phx.gbl. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
