[tw] Re: [TW5] resizable SideBar

[Mat]

@Måns
 

> When you alter the story width, tiddler width etc. - you'd really wish 
> you'd have some kind of a draggable controlpoint in the middle between the 
> story column and the right sidebar to control all at once :-)
>

Yes, I agree. I think this would be possible:

Make the story column width and the sidebar fetch their position value from 
the same "source" (see below).
A range slider is stretched (CSS?) across the screen and perhaps made 
invisible except the handle (CSS!).
The "source" is set by multiplying: "slidervalue * 0.01 * screenwidth" 
 (the 0.01 is to get per cent)

If the rangeslider is in a regular tiddler, then it will only show up when 
the tiddler is open. 
Or there could be some checkbox in ctrlpanel to make the handle show up. 
This could control to show several such handles on the screen for 
drag-resizing...
 

Thank you for Twaddle - It's very inspiring/inspired work!!
>

Thanks for your kind words. If you find inaccuracies - false claims, wrong 
credits, missing warranted credits (many for sure!!!) or anything you feel 
isn't right - please tell me.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] resizable SideBar

[Mat]

>
> I find it's much easier to just click once on the slider control and then 
> use the keyboard left/right arrow keys to change the value; that gives a 
> much smoother experience.
>

AH - that was news to me! In deed smoother for what otherwise can easily 
"shoot off" in some direction.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] resizable SideBar

[Måns]

Hi Edward

I find it's much easier to just click once on the slider control and then 
> use the keyboard left/right arrow keys to change the value; that gives a 
> much smoother experience.
>

Aah - It actually works like that :-) Thank you for pointing that out :-)

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

 
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[tw] Re: [TW5] resizable SideBar

[Måns]

Hi @Mat

I love reading your Twaddle TW site. It full of great ideas!! :-P
It's also great fun to play with the sliders!
I was wondering if it would be possible to add arrow up arrow down shortcut 
key bindings when you hover over the slider? Something like mouse dragging 
up or down on a value field is very common in programs like Unity, Blender 
etc ... works great for those.

When you alter the story width, tiddler width etc. - you'd really wish 
you'd have some kind of a draggable controlpoint in the middle between the 
story column and the right sidebar to control all at once :-)

Thank you for Twaddle - It's very inspiring/inspired work!!

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

Den onsdag den 27. maj 2015 kl. 18.36.35 UTC+2 skrev Mat:
>
> @Edward (and perhaps also @Eric)
>
> I have now updated the range sliders to set the sized in the Theme Tweaks, 
> including for the Sidebar as you ask for Edward. Go to the Controlpanel>Size 
> Sliders 
> 
> .
>
> It is a hovering frame to keep it in place even when you're changing 
> values. It stays in place for most of them at least. A more serious 
> difficulty is what Eric hints brings up; there is no min or max which makes 
> some sliders very sensitive. I've indicate where to be careful.
>
> Hope to improve it in the future.
>
> <:-)
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 2:20:39 AM UTC+2, Edward Bassett wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all.
>> I have been using TWC for several years now, and consider it a fine piece 
>> of software - kudos to Jeremy and all contributors.
>> I am now evaluating TW5, and it looks even more impressive, a feat of 
>> design.
>> Anyway, I have a few questions, which I will submit in separate threads 
>> in order to keep the discussion followable.
>>
>> Question 4:
>> Is it possible to have a runtime-resizable SideBar?
>> I guess that would have to be done with HTML frames.
>> I mean the kind of thing where the *browser* puts a draggable border 
>> between the StoryRiver and the SideBar, and it's a trivial matter of 
>> dragging that border to arbitrarily resize the two frames on either side of 
>> it.
>>
>> I am aware of http://tw5tristate.tiddlyspot.com/ and 
>> http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#TiddlerWidthSettings, and they are both 
>> excellent options, but not *exactly* what I am looking for - so I might as 
>> well ask.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Edward
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] resizable SideBar

[Edward Bassett]

Nice, thanks.
I find it's much easier to just click once on the slider control and then 
use the keyboard left/right arrow keys to change the value; that gives a 
much smoother experience.
Cheers,
-Edward

On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 6:20:39 PM UTC-6, Edward Bassett wrote:
>
> Hi, all.
> I have been using TWC for several years now, and consider it a fine piece 
> of software - kudos to Jeremy and all contributors.
> I am now evaluating TW5, and it looks even more impressive, a feat of 
> design.
> Anyway, I have a few questions, which I will submit in separate threads in 
> order to keep the discussion followable.
>
> Question 4:
> Is it possible to have a runtime-resizable SideBar?
> I guess that would have to be done with HTML frames.
> I mean the kind of thing where the *browser* puts a draggable border 
> between the StoryRiver and the SideBar, and it's a trivial matter of 
> dragging that border to arbitrarily resize the two frames on either side of 
> it.
>
> I am aware of http://tw5tristate.tiddlyspot.com/ and 
> http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#TiddlerWidthSettings, and they are both 
> excellent options, but not *exactly* what I am looking for - so I might as 
> well ask.
>
> Cheers,
> -Edward
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] resizable SideBar

[Mat]

@Edward (and perhaps also @Eric)

I have now updated the range sliders to set the sized in the Theme Tweaks, 
including for the Sidebar as you ask for Edward. Go to the Controlpanel>Size 
Sliders 

.

It is a hovering frame to keep it in place even when you're changing 
values. It stays in place for most of them at least. A more serious 
difficulty is what Eric hints brings up; there is no min or max which makes 
some sliders very sensitive. I've indicate where to be careful.

Hope to improve it in the future.

<:-)


On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 2:20:39 AM UTC+2, Edward Bassett wrote:
>
> Hi, all.
> I have been using TWC for several years now, and consider it a fine piece 
> of software - kudos to Jeremy and all contributors.
> I am now evaluating TW5, and it looks even more impressive, a feat of 
> design.
> Anyway, I have a few questions, which I will submit in separate threads in 
> order to keep the discussion followable.
>
> Question 4:
> Is it possible to have a runtime-resizable SideBar?
> I guess that would have to be done with HTML frames.
> I mean the kind of thing where the *browser* puts a draggable border 
> between the StoryRiver and the SideBar, and it's a trivial matter of 
> dragging that border to arbitrarily resize the two frames on either side of 
> it.
>
> I am aware of http://tw5tristate.tiddlyspot.com/ and 
> http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#TiddlerWidthSettings, and they are both 
> excellent options, but not *exactly* what I am looking for - so I might as 
> well ask.
>
> Cheers,
> -Edward
>

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] resizable SideBar

[Jeremy Ruston]

I'd welcome a pull request for the additional attributes on the edit-text
widget. The docs will also need to be updated; the modified tiddler should
go in the prerelease edition so that it doesn't get included in content
refreshes of 5.1.8.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Mat  wrote:

> BTW, please do write an issue so Jeremy sees it, as you mention (or better
> yet, a pull ;-) I think the proposal makes sense and I see this as a useful
> function. I hope we will be able to make CSS and stylesheet settings much
> more user friendly, partly by using this type of range element.
>
> <:-)
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[tw] Re: [TW5] resizable SideBar

[Mat]

BTW, please do write an issue so Jeremy sees it, as you mention (or better 
yet, a pull ;-) I think the proposal makes sense and I see this as a useful 
function. I hope we will be able to make CSS and stylesheet settings much 
more user friendly, partly by using this type of range element.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] resizable SideBar

[Mat]

@Eric, no worry. Thanks for engaging in the issue. I think I'll find some 
workaround with the simpler variant you suggest until the issue is fully 
resolved.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] resizable SideBar

[Eric Shulman]

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 9:46:20 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> I have removed all stuff involving the range slider now from TWaddle and 
> will look into how to use it without your widget.
> Thanks for engaging in the matter!
>

@mat I don't want to give you the impression that I was upset in any way. 
 It's just that, after having written the range.js widget, I realized that 
it wouldn't be needed at all IF the $edit-text widget can be extended to 
handle the "min", "max" and "step" parameters (which is *currently* 
doesn't).  As such, the range.js widget is, in my opinion, a temporary 
"polyfill" for some missing core bits.

The only problem is that your TWaddle examples are setting min and max to 
other values, and without being able to specify these params, the range 
control will default to min=0, max=100, step=1.  Assuming Jeremy is willing 
to add support for min/max/step params in $edit-text, then your current 
usage would be nearly the same, except you would replace <$range ...> with 
<$edit-text tag="input" type="range" ...>.  The rest would be the same.

-e


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[tw] Re: [TW5] resizable SideBar

[Mat]

@Eric

I have removed all stuff involving the range slider now from TWaddle and 
will look into how to use it without your widget.

Thanks for engaging in the matter!

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] resizable SideBar

[Eric Shulman]

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:59:24 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Eric wrote
>
> please don't distribute my range.js widget yet. 
>
>
> Oh, sorry! (Just so there is no misunderstanding, you didn't express this 
> in that other thread 
> .)
>

yes... that's true... it's just not ready for distribution... and, might 
not be needed...

I'll of course do what you ask me to: Do you want me to remove it from 
> TWaddle, including my *usage* of it? I obviously use and like it so I must 
> ask if it would be OK to use it if I replace the tiddler head of it with 
> the following (see below). This would remove commitment from your side and 
> if anyone has questions I'm responsible to explain. As soon as you have an 
> official release I'll replace it. Would this work?
>

In a separate post on this thread, I noted that you can use <$edit-text 
tag="input" type="range" ...> to get a "simple" range control, without 
using any widget.  The only thing missing is the ability to set the 
min/max/step values.  I think the best implementation is to add support for 
those params to the core's edit-text widget. Then there's no need for me to 
publish the widget.

-e

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[tw] Re: [TW5] resizable SideBar

[Mat]

Eric wrote
 

> please don't distribute my range.js widget yet. 


Oh, sorry! (Just so there is no misunderstanding, you didn't express this 
in that other thread 
.)

I'll of course do what you ask me to: Do you want me to remove it from 
TWaddle, including my *usage* of it? I obviously use and like it so I must 
ask if it would be OK to use it if I replace the tiddler head of it with 
the following (see below). This would remove commitment from your side and 
if anyone has questions I'm responsible to explain. As soon as you have an 
official release I'll replace it. Would this work?

<:-)

/*\
title: ---
type: application/javascript
module-type: widget
author: momentarily undisclosed (it's not Mat. Ask Mat for explanation if 
necessary)

Derived from $:/core/modules/widgets/checkbox.js

\*/

 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] resizable SideBar

[Eric Shulman]

If you just want a default range control, you can use the <$edit-text> 
widget, like this:
   <$edit-text tag="input" type="range" tiddler="..." field="..."/>

In fact, if the existing $edit-text widget were extended so it recognized a 
few extra params: "min", "max", and "step", there would be no need for my 
range.js widget at all!   hmm... I think I need to write a ticket for 
Jeremy :)

-e

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[tw] Re: [TW5] resizable SideBar

[Eric Shulman]

please don't distribute my range.js widget yet.  although it does work, it's 
not done... there are a few more parameters to implement such as formatted 
output for setting css attributes that include dimensions (e.g., em, px, %, 
etc.)

also, it's name has changed to use the "TWBook/" prefix, and it has not been 
not been packaged as a plugin yet.  until i have officially published it as a 
plugin, i have made NO commitment to provide any support for it, and it is 
subject to changes without notice or assurances of backward compatibility.

-e

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[tw] Re: [TW5] resizable SideBar

[Mat]

Probably not exactly what you want, but I just created this:

Theme Tweak Size Sliders 

 (the 
link shows all relevant tiddlers)

My hope is for more visual elements for the CSS in TW.

As seen in the tiddler there, I've inelegantly repeated a lot of wikitext 
and hope to find some method to instead use a template.


<:-)
TWaddle.tiddlyspot

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