[tw] Re: Announcing: TiddlyAir - an experiment bringing TiddlyWiki to Adobe AIR

2010-08-23 Thread jnthnlstr
Have realised that you also need the Adobe AIR developer tools[1] to
compile the package.

Have added the built app installer to the repo, so you can just get
that if you want:
http://github.com/jayfresh/TiddlyAIR/raw/master/AIR/TiddlyAIR.air


J.

On Aug 23, 2:33 pm, jnthnlstr  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've made a TiddlyWiki that is wrapped up in an Adobe AIR container as
> a standalone app. The original TiddlyWiki still opens in a browser and
> functions normally (although its store is kept separate in the AIR
> app's storage directory).
>
> Point of this: to try out a TiddlyWiki in a controlled environment
> where "save changes" isn't a big pain.
>
> (Also this person[1] might be interested.)
>
> Restrictions: cookies don't work yet; import doesn't work yet. I
> haven't looked into these problems though.
>
> Source:http://github.com/jayfresh/TiddlyAIR
>
> To use:
> - download source
> - install AIR
> - run client.build
> - install TiddlyAIR.air
>
> Any comments appreciated (even if they originate from PSD[1])!
>
> J.
>
> [1]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/1e2878...
> [2]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/d9c749...

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[tw] Re: Announcing: TiddlyAir - an experiment bringing TiddlyWiki to Adobe AIR

2010-08-23 Thread jnthnlstr
...and that dev tools link: 
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=airsdk

On Aug 23, 7:15 pm, jnthnlstr  wrote:
> Have realised that you also need the Adobe AIR developer tools[1] to
> compile the package.
>
> Have added the built app installer to the repo, so you can just get
> that if you 
> want:http://github.com/jayfresh/TiddlyAIR/raw/master/AIR/TiddlyAIR.air
>
> J.
>
> On Aug 23, 2:33 pm, jnthnlstr  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hello,
>
> > I've made a TiddlyWiki that is wrapped up in an Adobe AIR container as
> > a standalone app. The original TiddlyWiki still opens in a browser and
> > functions normally (although its store is kept separate in the AIR
> > app's storage directory).
>
> > Point of this: to try out a TiddlyWiki in a controlled environment
> > where "save changes" isn't a big pain.
>
> > (Also this person[1] might be interested.)
>
> > Restrictions: cookies don't work yet; import doesn't work yet. I
> > haven't looked into these problems though.
>
> > Source:http://github.com/jayfresh/TiddlyAIR
>
> > To use:
> > - download source
> > - install AIR
> > - run client.build
> > - install TiddlyAIR.air
>
> > Any comments appreciated (even if they originate from PSD[1])!
>
> > J.
>
> > [1]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/1e2878...
> > [2]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/d9c749...

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[tw] Re: Announcing: TiddlyAir - an experiment bringing TiddlyWiki to Adobe AIR

2010-08-23 Thread Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/
All that so that saving changes isn't a pain? Since when is saving
changes a pain?

Dave

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[tw] Re: Announcing: TiddlyAir - an experiment bringing TiddlyWiki to Adobe AIR

2010-08-24 Thread Måns
Hi J
> I've made a TiddlyWiki that is wrapped up in an Adobe AIR container as
> a standalone app. The original TiddlyWiki still opens in a browser and
> functions normally (although its store is kept separate in the AIR
> app's storage directory).
Nice job!!
> Point of this: to try out a TiddlyWiki in a controlled environment
> where "save changes" isn't a big pain.
I miss a refresh page (F5) function
> (Also this person[1] might be interested.)
Me too :-) It would be great if it had a discreet dropdown to select
different TWs from a directory.
> Restrictions: cookies don't work yet; import doesn't work yet. I
> haven't looked into these problems though.
Cookies might be handled by Eric's CookieSaver plugin?
Would it be possible to open a TiddlySpace space (online) in the Air-
client?
If TiddlyAir could open an online document - it could work as an
alternative browser which Dave G. asked for some time ago.
I like the idea of a simple browser/application just for using TWs
online or offline.
Is AdobeAir a viable solution, if you want to create an application
which will run on most machines/systems?

Thanks for sharing
regards Måns Mårtensson

> Source:http://github.com/jayfresh/TiddlyAIR
>
> To use:
> - download source
> - install AIR
> - run client.build
> - install TiddlyAIR.air
>
> Any comments appreciated (even if they originate from PSD[1])!
>
> J.
>
> [1]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/1e2878...
> [2]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/d9c749...

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[tw] Re: Announcing: TiddlyAir - an experiment bringing TiddlyWiki to Adobe AIR

2010-08-25 Thread jnthnlstr
Dave,

Saving changes is the thing that new users of TW seem to have the most
problems with. In my experience at least.


J.

On Aug 24, 4:42 am, "Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/";
 wrote:
> All that so that saving changes isn't a pain? Since when is saving
> changes a pain?
>
> Dave

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[tw] Re: Announcing: TiddlyAir - an experiment bringing TiddlyWiki to Adobe AIR

2010-08-25 Thread jnthnlstr
Hi,

On Aug 24, 10:05 pm, Måns  wrote:
> Hi J> I've made a TiddlyWiki that is wrapped up in an Adobe AIR container as
> > a standalone app. The original TiddlyWiki still opens in a browser and
> > functions normally (although its store is kept separate in the AIR
> > app's storage directory).
> Nice job!!

Thanks. :)

> > Point of this: to try out a TiddlyWiki in a controlled environment
> > where "save changes" isn't a big pain.
>
> I miss a refresh page (F5) function> (Also this person[1] might be 
> interested.)

Good point...

>
> Me too :-) It would be great if it had a discreet dropdown to select
> different TWs from a directory.

Yes, that's a good idea... as it's set up at the moment, it can read
any TW.

> Restrictions: cookies don't work yet; import doesn't work yet. I
> > haven't looked into these problems though.

>
> Cookies might be handled by Eric's CookieSaver plugin?

Good idea. It might be easy to get cookies working in AIR, I just
haven't looked.

> Would it be possible to open a TiddlySpace space (online) in the Air-
> client?

Yup.

> If TiddlyAir could open an online document - it could work as an
> alternative browser which Dave G. asked for some time ago.
> I like the idea of a simple browser/application just for using TWs
> online or offline.
> Is AdobeAir a viable solution, if you want to create an application
> which will run on most machines/systems?

I'm thinking that I should really re-do this thing using HTML5 local
storage. Then at least there wouldn't be a dependency on AIR, which is
something I'd like to avoid really. Now I've figured out how to change
the way TW works with the filesystem, it seems straightforward to use
local storage instead (with the caveat that I'd need to decide on
which type of local storage to use...).


J.

>
> Thanks for sharing
> regards Måns Mårtensson
>
>
>
> > Source:http://github.com/jayfresh/TiddlyAIR
>
> > To use:
> > - download source
> > - install AIR
> > - run client.build
> > - install TiddlyAIR.air
>
> > Any comments appreciated (even if they originate from PSD[1])!
>
> > J.
>
> > [1]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/1e2878...
> > [2]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/d9c749...

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[tw] Re: Announcing: TiddlyAir - an experiment bringing TiddlyWiki to Adobe AIR

2010-08-25 Thread Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/
Hi J

I have been using my configuration settings (to save all changes
without creating a new copy) for so long I forgot what new people have
to go through. Thanks for the reminder.

Dave

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[tw] Re: Announcing: TiddlyAir - an experiment bringing TiddlyWiki to Adobe AIR

2010-08-25 Thread Tobbe
Hi,

Does it matter what OS I'm running? Can I install this local on my
Ubuntu computer for instance?

//Tobbe

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Re: [tw] Re: Announcing: TiddlyAir - an experiment bringing TiddlyWiki to Adobe AIR

2010-08-25 Thread Alex Hough
>>I'm thinking […] (with the caveat that I'd need to decide on which type of 
>>local storage to use...).

Hi J
I have been re-visiting your Readability + Zotero hack today.
I played with using Ubiquity's [1] edit page command. This puts the
html into an edit mode, then you can save the edited page in Zotero.
Before i knew it I was tidying someone's prose adding double brackets
to the text.

I wonder if it it would be any use if the saved html could then be
automatically presented in a tiddlywiki as a tiddler. In otherwords,
the Zotero database could be viewed though TW.

The if you put your Zotero database in Drop box, then you'd have a
webpage - potenitally with all your annotated readability cleaned
pages, but also all your pdfs.

Ubiquity's development is on hold, but the ideas are going into
Jetpack, a framework for developing Firefox extentions - like Zotero.

ALex

[1] https://mozillalabs.com/ubiquity/


On 25 August 2010 13:34, jnthnlstr  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Aug 24, 10:05 pm, Måns  wrote:
>> Hi J> I've made a TiddlyWiki that is wrapped up in an Adobe AIR container as
>> > a standalone app. The original TiddlyWiki still opens in a browser and
>> > functions normally (although its store is kept separate in the AIR
>> > app's storage directory).
>> Nice job!!
>
> Thanks. :)
>
>> > Point of this: to try out a TiddlyWiki in a controlled environment
>> > where "save changes" isn't a big pain.
>>
>> I miss a refresh page (F5) function> (Also this person[1] might be 
>> interested.)
>
> Good point...
>
>>
>> Me too :-) It would be great if it had a discreet dropdown to select
>> different TWs from a directory.
>
> Yes, that's a good idea... as it's set up at the moment, it can read
> any TW.
>
>> Restrictions: cookies don't work yet; import doesn't work yet. I
>> > haven't looked into these problems though.
>
>>
>> Cookies might be handled by Eric's CookieSaver plugin?
>
> Good idea. It might be easy to get cookies working in AIR, I just
> haven't looked.
>
>> Would it be possible to open a TiddlySpace space (online) in the Air-
>> client?
>
> Yup.
>
>> If TiddlyAir could open an online document - it could work as an
>> alternative browser which Dave G. asked for some time ago.
>> I like the idea of a simple browser/application just for using TWs
>> online or offline.
>> Is AdobeAir a viable solution, if you want to create an application
>> which will run on most machines/systems?
>
> I'm thinking that I should really re-do this thing using HTML5 local
> storage. Then at least there wouldn't be a dependency on AIR, which is
> something I'd like to avoid really. Now I've figured out how to change
> the way TW works with the filesystem, it seems straightforward to use
> local storage instead (with the caveat that I'd need to decide on
> which type of local storage to use...).
>
>
> J.
>
>>
>> Thanks for sharing
>> regards Måns Mårtensson
>>
>>
>>
>> > Source:http://github.com/jayfresh/TiddlyAIR
>>
>> > To use:
>> > - download source
>> > - install AIR
>> > - run client.build
>> > - install TiddlyAIR.air
>>
>> > Any comments appreciated (even if they originate from PSD[1])!
>>
>> > J.
>>
>> > [1]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/1e2878...
>> > [2]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/d9c749...
>
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