[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
On Jun 7, 11:07 am, magev958 magnus.ev...@gmail.com wrote: Just shows a blank page in IE8 Win7. Get error object missing. Someone on TiddlySpace has independently pointed this out as well. It appears the problem is in all of IE 6, 7 and 8, starting from a plain jane empty.html (that is TiddlySpace has nothing to do with it). I've made a pull request on github that has a potential fix. I'm hoping Eric is able to integrate it or something like it soon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, cdent wrote: I've made a pull request on github that has a potential fix. I'm hoping Eric is able to integrate it or something like it soon. Forgot the link: https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/tiddlywiki/pull/135 -- Chris Dent http://burningchrome.com/ [...] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
Hi Tony Thanks for the thoughtful notes, very useful. I'd add that the memory dump you attached suggests that the cause of the crash is an out of memory condition. The central observation is that you get a consistent crash after making changes and trying to save with TiddlyFox disabled. My only minor query would be whether you could repeat the tests with Java disabled, just to remove as many variables as possible? Otherwise, one useful next step would be to be able to duplicate the behaviour you're seeing. Can you remind me of your setup, including RAM? Many thanks, Jeremy On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:45 AM, TonyM anthony.mus...@gmail.com wrote: I am now running TiddlyWiki 2.8.0 and FF 21.0 with only the Java (TM) Platform SE U21 10.21.2.11 FF Plugin running. With TiddlyFox Disabled if I try and save an unchanged since opening TiddlyWiki I get a firefox Crash. With TiddlyFox Disabled if I try and save an *changed* since opening TiddlyWiki I get a failure to save the tiddlywiki using the new Save Dialogue. With TiddlyFox enabled so far I have not had a crash but it now apears when and if tiddlyfox fails to support the save effort (For some reason occuring after a period of time) and it falls back to using the alternate save method (Original in TW 2.7.X and new one in 2.8.0) a inability to save or a crash occurs. My Guess would be for a stable platfom there is a bug in both TiddlyFox and TW Native save routines - and has been for some time now only brought into focus by the more consistent abend process in the new fall back save routines. Some more help please dear TiddlyWiki Experts. This is out of my depth. You long term and dependent tiddlywiki user - TonyM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy.rus...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
Just shows a blank page in IE8 Win7. Get error object missing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
I am now running TiddlyWiki 2.8.0 and FF 21.0 with only the Java (TM) Platform SE U21 10.21.2.11 FF Plugin running. With TiddlyFox Disabled if I try and save an unchanged since opening TiddlyWiki I get a firefox Crash. With TiddlyFox Disabled if I try and save an *changed* since opening TiddlyWiki I get a failure to save the tiddlywiki using the new Save Dialogue. With TiddlyFox enabled so far I have not had a crash but it now apears when and if tiddlyfox fails to support the save effort (For some reason occuring after a period of time) and it falls back to using the alternate save method (Original in TW 2.7.X and new one in 2.8.0) a inability to save or a crash occurs. My Guess would be for a stable platfom there is a bug in both TiddlyFox and TW Native save routines - and has been for some time now only brought into focus by the more consistent abend process in the new fall back save routines. Some more help please dear TiddlyWiki Experts. This is out of my depth. You long term and dependent tiddlywiki user - TonyM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
A Minor Criticism about Presentation* ... I think prospective users would conclude from the current content that TW is a stale project. Admittedly, the current documentation is a bit stale and in need of a general scraping away of old paint. Here's some of my thoughts: There's a few different kinds of content being presented: * basic introduction and step-by-step download/setup instructions * reference information (formatting, browser-specific issues, etc.) * current version status and update details etc. * A lot of the current intro content could certainly be written differently so that it grabs potential users and walks them through download/installation with a step-by-step wizard style. * The status content (or at least a link to it) could be featured more prominently above the fold (i.e., visible without scrolling the initial page display) * There's also been some significant changes in the download and file saving functionality that needs to be properly explained in the various bits of browser-specific reference materials. In general, I think the site needs a major infusion of energy: simpler, cleaner content, more interaction with bright shiny buttons to click on... things like that. Documentation updates are actually quite near the top of my to do list, so you might see some re-writes happening soon. If you have some specific content you would like to suggest... feel free to post it (or send it to me privately if you prefer). If you post it online, I suggest starting a new thread (e.g., TiddlyWiki.com content suggestions). enjoy, -e -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
H Tony
Excellent news that you can now repeat the problem reliably. When you say
that the crash isn't occurring with the minimum test case, do you mean that
you don't get the crash if you disable all the plugins in your document?
Best wishes
Jeremy
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:49 AM, TonyM anthony.mus...@gmail.com wrote:
Eric,
I have a Serious problem exposed with TiddlyWiki 2.8.0 in a special case ?
I think it important to report something here but I would understand that
it may not be fixable at this stage. As posted by myself on a number of
occasions I have been getting FireFox Abends - Closes Firefox when
selecting Save Changes (Latest FireFox/TiddlyFox and earlier versions) -
the problem is before 2.8.0 this* may or may not happen on any save* and
it seems the longer the period without a save the more likely it will
happen (When more is to be lost). This has been a wicked problem for me and
I have tried to resolve it with all combinations of FF browser and plugin
elimination.
Since installing 2.8.0 this problem is now repeatable because without
TiddlyFox enabled it happens on every save.
Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download over Dropbox copy from which it
was loaded abends FF, Reopen FF File not found - Firefox can't find the
file at /b:/TiddlyWiki/MasterDBV4.htm - File was deleted.
Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download to new location from which it was
loaded abends FF, Reopen FF file was Not deleted.
This means should the local file save fail care of TiddlyFox, the fall
back (new 2.8.0 code) is now a guaranteed abend of FireFox) for me.
This is not occurring with the minimum test case !
I have disabled all Plugins containing netscape.security, From
netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');
including QuickEdit one of my favorite plugins but sadley the fault is
still occurring.
*Request
Given you are currently knee deep in the save code of tiddlyWiki could you
please advise what plugin code could be interfering with this process and
causing abends? I will then search for this code and disable plugins to see
if I can eliminate it.*
I will undertake another plugin disable and reenable elimination process
because at least now the problem is predicable (assuming its that same).
FF Crash report below
Regards Tony
AdapterDeviceID: 0x0166
AdapterVendorID: 0x8086
Add-ons: tabletools2%40mingyi.org:1
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AvailablePageFile: 2765107200
AvailablePhysicalMemory: 455303168
AvailableVirtualMemory: 520675328
BuildID: 20130511120803
CrashTime: 1370306476
EMCheckCompatibility: true
Email: anthony.mus...@gmail.com
FramePoisonBase: f0de
FramePoisonSize: 65536
InstallTime: 1370305003
Notes: AdapterVendorID: 0x8086, AdapterDeviceID: 0x0166, AdapterSubsysID:
00031179, AdapterDriverVersion: 8.15.10.2712
D2D? D2D+ DWrite? DWrite+ D3D10 Layers? D3D10 Layers+
xpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: OOM: file
e:\builds\moz2_slave\rel-m-rel-w32_bld-\build\xpcom\string\src\nsTSubstring.cpp,
line 291)
ProductID: {ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}
ProductName: Firefox
ReleaseChannel: release
SecondsSinceLastCrash: 406
StartupTime: 1370306235
SystemMemoryUsePercentage: 86
Theme: classic/1.0
Throttleable: 1
TotalVirtualMemory: 2147352576
URL: file:///b:/TiddlyWiki/MasterDBV4.html
Vendor: Mozilla
Version: 21.0
Winsock_LSP: MSAFD Tcpip [TCP/IP] : 2 : 1 :
%SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
MSAFD Tcpip [UDP/IP] : 2 : 2 :
MSAFD Tcpip [RAW/IP] : 2 : 3 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
MSAFD Tcpip [TCP/IPv6] : 2 : 1 :
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MSAFD Tcpip [RAW/IPv6] : 2 : 3 :
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2 : 5 :
MSAFD NetBIOS
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MSAFD NetBIOS
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2 : 5 :
MSAFD NetBIOS
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2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
MSAFD NetBIOS
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MSAFD NetBIOS
Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
Jeremy,
This is so Frustrating. My Last elegantly composed response seemed safe
because by disabling various plugins I had found a potential subset of
plugins that may be the cause of an immediate abend, I could save my
tiddlywiki. Unfortunately before posting I though I would save my notes to
you and once again abend.
I will re-post from one I will write in Notepad first - shortly
Tony
On Tuesday, 4 June 2013 17:53:20 UTC+10, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
H Tony
Excellent news that you can now repeat the problem reliably. When you say
that the crash isn't occurring with the minimum test case, do you mean that
you don't get the crash if you disable all the plugins in your document?
Best wishes
Jeremy
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:49 AM, TonyM anthony...@gmail.com
javascript:wrote:
Eric,
I have a Serious problem exposed with TiddlyWiki 2.8.0 in a special case ?
I think it important to report something here but I would understand that
it may not be fixable at this stage. As posted by myself on a number of
occasions I have been getting FireFox Abends - Closes Firefox when
selecting Save Changes (Latest FireFox/TiddlyFox and earlier versions) -
the problem is before 2.8.0 this* may or may not happen on any save* and
it seems the longer the period without a save the more likely it will
happen (When more is to be lost). This has been a wicked problem for me and
I have tried to resolve it with all combinations of FF browser and plugin
elimination.
Since installing 2.8.0 this problem is now repeatable because without
TiddlyFox enabled it happens on every save.
Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download over Dropbox copy from which it
was loaded abends FF, Reopen FF File not found - Firefox can't find the
file at /b:/TiddlyWiki/MasterDBV4.htm - File was deleted.
Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download to new location from which it
was loaded abends FF, Reopen FF file was Not deleted.
This means should the local file save fail care of TiddlyFox, the fall
back (new 2.8.0 code) is now a guaranteed abend of FireFox) for me.
This is not occurring with the minimum test case !
I have disabled all Plugins containing netscape.security, From
netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');
including QuickEdit one of my favorite plugins but sadley the fault is
still occurring.
*Request
Given you are currently knee deep in the save code of tiddlyWiki could
you please advise what plugin code could be interfering with this process
and causing abends? I will then search for this code and disable plugins to
see if I can eliminate it.*
I will undertake another plugin disable and reenable elimination process
because at least now the problem is predicable (assuming its that same).
FF Crash report below
Regards Tony
AdapterDeviceID: 0x0166
AdapterVendorID: 0x8086
Add-ons:
tabletools2%40mingyi.org:1.17,%7B972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd%7D:21.0,jid0-lqtsBMO4PkjAOFcCt6zDcWsAXCU%40jetpack:0.2.4
AvailablePageFile: 2765107200
AvailablePhysicalMemory: 455303168
AvailableVirtualMemory: 520675328
BuildID: 20130511120803
CrashTime: 1370306476
EMCheckCompatibility: true
Email: anthony...@gmail.com javascript:
FramePoisonBase: f0de
FramePoisonSize: 65536
InstallTime: 1370305003
Notes: AdapterVendorID: 0x8086, AdapterDeviceID: 0x0166, AdapterSubsysID:
00031179, AdapterDriverVersion: 8.15.10.2712
D2D? D2D+ DWrite? DWrite+ D3D10 Layers? D3D10 Layers+
xpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: OOM: file
e:\builds\moz2_slave\rel-m-rel-w32_bld-\build\xpcom\string\src\nsTSubstring.cpp,
line 291)
ProductID: {ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}
ProductName: Firefox
ReleaseChannel: release
SecondsSinceLastCrash: 406
StartupTime: 1370306235
SystemMemoryUsePercentage: 86
Theme: classic/1.0
Throttleable: 1
TotalVirtualMemory: 2147352576
URL: file:///b:/TiddlyWiki/MasterDBV4.html
Vendor: Mozilla
Version: 21.0
Winsock_LSP: MSAFD Tcpip [TCP/IP] : 2 : 1 :
%SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
MSAFD Tcpip [UDP/IP] : 2 : 2 :
MSAFD Tcpip [RAW/IP] : 2 : 3 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
MSAFD Tcpip [TCP/IPv6] : 2 : 1 :
MSAFD Tcpip [UDP/IPv6] : 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
MSAFD Tcpip [RAW/IPv6] : 2 : 3 :
RSVP TCPv6 Service Provider : 2 : 1 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
RSVP TCP Service Provider : 2 : 1 :
RSVP UDPv6 Service Provider : 2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
RSVP UDP Service Provider : 2 : 2 :
VMCI sockets DGRAM : 0 : 2 : %windir%\system32\vsocklib.dll
VMCI sockets STREAM : 0 : 1 :
MSAFD NetBIOS
[\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{AF59E493-427B-4C72-A34E-DFF9B7B2142B}] SEQPACKET 17 :
2 : 5 :
MSAFD NetBIOS
[\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{AF59E493-427B-4C72-A34E-DFF9B7B2142B}] DATAGRAM 17 :
2 : 2 : %SystemRoot%\system32\mswsock.dll
MSAFD NetBIOS
[\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BCF77AB2--4387-8411-BD2AB4A28958}] SEQPACKET 13 :
2 : 5
Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
If tiddlyFox is loaded it will save, but on occasion, after a period and
some saves it seems to revert to the new code and abends
If TiddlyFox is not loaded then my MasterDBV4 tiddlywiki seems to revert to
the new code in 2.8.0 and abends
The currently active plugins in MasterDBV4 are
AliasPlugin
BreadcrumbsPlugin
CalendarPlugin
CalendarPluginConfig
CheckboxPlugin
CommentPlugin
CookieJar
CookieManagerPlugin
CopyTiddlerPlugin
DatePlugin
DatePluginConfig
EditSectionPlugin
FootnotesPlugin
ForEachTiddlerPlugin
FramedLinksPlugin
GotoPlugin
HTMLFormattingPlugin
HideWhenPlugin
HoverMenuPlugin
InlineJavascriptPlugin
InlineTabsPlugin
InstantTimestampPlugin
ListboxPlugin
MptwLayoutPlugin
MultiTagEditorPlugin
MyCommentPlugin
NestedSlidersPlugin
NewHerePlugin
NewMeansNewPlugin
PartTiddlerPlugin
PopupMacro
QuickOpenTagPlugin
RecentChangesPlugin
ReminderPlugin
RenameTagsPlugin
RetagPlugin
SaveCloseTiddlerPlugin
SearchOptionsPlugin
SectionLinksPlugin
ShowPopupPlugin
ShowReferencesPlugin
StorySaverPlugin
StoryViewerPlugin
SystemInfoPlugin
TaggedTemplateTweak
TagglyTaggingPlugin
TagsplorerMacro
TiddlerListMacro
TiddlerNotesPlugin
TiddlersBarPlugin
ToggleTagPlugin
TrashPlugin
UndoPlugin
systemConfig
systemConfigOptions
*My Minimum test case is an empty 2.8.0 tiddlywiki*
If tiddlyFox is loaded it will save as it always used to
If TiddlyFox is not loaded then it reverts to the new code in 2.8.0 and
works (Download Dialogue)
*My Plugin Elimination process*
Enabling TiddlyFox and Prey I do not get an abend
I then Tag sets of plugins as systemConfigDisable
Save and reload without tiddlyfox to see if an abend occurs
I seem to have reduced the set of offenders to the following
AliasPlugin
BreadcrumbsPlugin
HoverMenuPlugin
InstantTimestampPlugin
IntelliTaggerPlugin
MonkeyTaggerMacro
NewHerePlugin
that is one or more may be the cause of the immediate abend (without
Firefox running)
However I have now got a delayed abend occurring.
When it abends in most cases the current tiddlywiki becomes Bytes in Size,
just sometimes it does not save but remains the version when opened.
Please excuse the multiple posts, I am in fear of it abending.
Tony
On Tuesday, 4 June 2013 17:53:20 UTC+10, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
H Tony
Excellent news that you can now repeat the problem reliably. When you say
that the crash isn't occurring with the minimum test case, do you mean that
you don't get the crash if you disable all the plugins in your document?
Best wishes
Jeremy
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:49 AM, TonyM anthony...@gmail.com
javascript:wrote:
Eric,
I have a Serious problem exposed with TiddlyWiki 2.8.0 in a special case ?
I think it important to report something here but I would understand that
it may not be fixable at this stage. As posted by myself on a number of
occasions I have been getting FireFox Abends - Closes Firefox when
selecting Save Changes (Latest FireFox/TiddlyFox and earlier versions) -
the problem is before 2.8.0 this* may or may not happen on any save* and
it seems the longer the period without a save the more likely it will
happen (When more is to be lost). This has been a wicked problem for me and
I have tried to resolve it with all combinations of FF browser and plugin
elimination.
Since installing 2.8.0 this problem is now repeatable because without
TiddlyFox enabled it happens on every save.
Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download over Dropbox copy from which it
was loaded abends FF, Reopen FF File not found - Firefox can't find the
file at /b:/TiddlyWiki/MasterDBV4.htm - File was deleted.
Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download to new location from which it
was loaded abends FF, Reopen FF file was Not deleted.
This means should the local file save fail care of TiddlyFox, the fall
back (new 2.8.0 code) is now a guaranteed abend of FireFox) for me.
This is not occurring with the minimum test case !
I have disabled all Plugins containing netscape.security, From
netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');
including QuickEdit one of my favorite plugins but sadley the fault is
still occurring.
*Request
Given you are currently knee deep in the save code of tiddlyWiki could
you please advise what plugin code could be interfering with this process
and causing abends? I will then search for this code and disable plugins to
see if I can eliminate it.*
I will undertake another plugin disable and reenable elimination process
because at least now the problem is predicable (assuming its that same).
FF Crash report below
Regards Tony
AdapterDeviceID: 0x0166
AdapterVendorID: 0x8086
Add-ons:
Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
Ok,
So here is the outcome. Through a Comprehensive disabling of all plugins I
could not identify any that were responsible. In Fact I can reproduce the
fault *without any plugins active* at all. My TiddlyWiki 2.8.0 running on
FireFox FF 21.0 and using TiddlyFox alpha16.
I am usually fine if I am running TiddlyFox however see below. When I am
not running tiddlyfox and the save routine is used I all-most always
immediately get a FF abend since updating tiddlywiki
It seems to be clear that when TiddlyFox Does its job and the new save
routines are not used, save proceeds without fault - however after a period
of time eventually tiddlyFox seems to fail intermittently and an presumable
passes the save effort to another routine an abend occurs.
My TiddlyWiki is 13,728 KB in size, could there be a fault relating to this
size, which is otherwise fine, or a timeout in TiddlyFox or tiddlywiki or
FF when saving ?
I am starting to migrate my personal database to an alternative.
Yours Sincerely TonyM
On Tuesday, 4 June 2013 17:53:20 UTC+10, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
H Tony
Excellent news that you can now repeat the problem reliably. When you say
that the crash isn't occurring with the minimum test case, do you mean that
you don't get the crash if you disable all the plugins in your document?
Best wishes
Jeremy
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:49 AM, TonyM anthony...@gmail.com
javascript:wrote:
Eric,
I have a Serious problem exposed with TiddlyWiki 2.8.0 in a special case ?
I think it important to report something here but I would understand that
it may not be fixable at this stage. As posted by myself on a number of
occasions I have been getting FireFox Abends - Closes Firefox when
selecting Save Changes (Latest FireFox/TiddlyFox and earlier versions) -
the problem is before 2.8.0 this* may or may not happen on any save* and
it seems the longer the period without a save the more likely it will
happen (When more is to be lost). This has been a wicked problem for me and
I have tried to resolve it with all combinations of FF browser and plugin
elimination.
Since installing 2.8.0 this problem is now repeatable because without
TiddlyFox enabled it happens on every save.
Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download over Dropbox copy from which it
was loaded abends FF, Reopen FF File not found - Firefox can't find the
file at /b:/TiddlyWiki/MasterDBV4.htm - File was deleted.
Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download to new location from which it
was loaded abends FF, Reopen FF file was Not deleted.
This means should the local file save fail care of TiddlyFox, the fall
back (new 2.8.0 code) is now a guaranteed abend of FireFox) for me.
This is not occurring with the minimum test case !
I have disabled all Plugins containing netscape.security, From
netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');
including QuickEdit one of my favorite plugins but sadley the fault is
still occurring.
*Request
Given you are currently knee deep in the save code of tiddlyWiki could
you please advise what plugin code could be interfering with this process
and causing abends? I will then search for this code and disable plugins to
see if I can eliminate it.*
I will undertake another plugin disable and reenable elimination process
because at least now the problem is predicable (assuming its that same).
FF Crash report below
Regards Tony
AdapterDeviceID: 0x0166
AdapterVendorID: 0x8086
Add-ons:
tabletools2%40mingyi.org:1.17,%7B972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd%7D:21.0,jid0-lqtsBMO4PkjAOFcCt6zDcWsAXCU%40jetpack:0.2.4
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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
Ok, but now the upgrade process works somehow strange: My upgraded wiki has been merged with the full TiddlyWiki.com content. I am on Chrome, Windows7, 32bit. Is it me or? On Monday, June 3, 2013 10:02:57 PM UTC+3, Eric Shulman wrote: On Jun 3, 11:32 am, BuildHeaven aeshan.to...@gmail.com wrote: Awesome! Any idea why my 2.7.2 tells me it's already upgraded to the latest version when I try to update it? oops! There are still a few manual steps involved in posting a new update to TiddlyWiki. One of them is to put the latest TWCore in the right place online for the upgrade process to find it. It should be fixed now. thanks, -e -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
On Jun 4, 6:57 am, Branimir Braykov bray...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, but now the upgrade process works somehow strange: My upgraded wiki has been merged with the full TiddlyWiki.com content. I am on Chrome, Windows7, 32bit. Is it me or? AHHH! I posted the WRONG TW2.8.0 file for the upgrade. It was supposed to be the empty.html (no content), not the index.html (tiddlywiki.com content). I've put the corrected file in place. Upgrading should work properly now. -e -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
FireFox FF 21.0 and using TiddlyFox alpha16. The problem you are having doesn't sound like a coding error in TiddlyWiki's file I/O handlers, but rather some kind of internal memory leakage from FireFox. I took a quick look through the DUMP output you posted. Most of it is a complete mystery, but seems like generic crash trace output. One line that stood out as being, perhaps, more informative, is this: -- xpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: OOM: file e:\builds\moz2_slave\rel-m-rel-w32_bld-\build\xpcom\string\src\ nsTSubstring.cpp -- According to mozilla.org documentation, this file is part of the internal library that handles 8-bit and 16-bit character strings: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla_internal_string_guide -- The string classes are a library of C++ classes which are used to manage buffers of wide (16-bit) and narrow (8-bit) character strings. The library headers are in the xpcom/string/public directory, and the implementation is in the xpcom/string/src directory. -- Do you have any FireFox browser add-ons installed? Have you tried using a fresh FireFox profile? -e -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
On Jun 2, 9:01 pm, Eric Shulman elsdes...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pleased to announce that TiddlyWiki Classic v2.8.0 is now available for general use. The full release can be viewed/downloaded from here: http://www.TiddlyWiki.com/ Please see the [[WhatsNew]] tiddler for a summary of changes in this revision. This version is now packaged with the latest release of tiddlywebwiki[1] and as a result is now the default TiddlyWiki in TiddlySpace[2]. Also, because of some adjustments Eric (thanks!) made to the build process, various versions of TiddlyWiki are available depending on how you set your ServerSettings[3] tiddler. If you state twrelease: beta you'll get the most recent beta (which is now older than the mainline release). If you state twrelease: beta external: True You'll get the most recent beta with an externalized core. And finally if you state: external: True you'll get the current mainline with an externalized core. You can also do things like this: http://cdent-t15.tiddlyspace.com/?twrelease=beta Note that TiddlySpace will always run a few days behind Eric's release schedule because at the moment the files are gathered up and released in a semi manual process. [1] http://tiddlyweb.tiddlyspace.com/tiddlywebwiki [2] http://tiddlyspace.com [3] http://docs.tiddlyspace.com/ServerSettings%20shadow%20tiddler -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
Eric, Thanks for some analysis on this. I have had the FF abend problem for some time, This has been occurring under a number of different FF versions, TiddlyFox and plugin combinations including no FF extensions. In the tests presented by me in this thread only TiddlyFox (or not), Table Tools2 1.17 and Copy HTML 0.2.4 were installed and enabled. I have disabled all FF Extensions (Not plugins) including TiddlyFox (and disabled TiddlyLockPlugin) and the problem still occurs. I wonder why the dump refers to E:\ which is not on my machine. ? Regards Tony On Wednesday, 5 June 2013 00:24:57 UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote: FireFox FF 21.0 and using TiddlyFox alpha16. The problem you are having doesn't sound like a coding error in TiddlyWiki's file I/O handlers, but rather some kind of internal memory leakage from FireFox. I took a quick look through the DUMP output you posted. Most of it is a complete mystery, but seems like generic crash trace output. One line that stood out as being, perhaps, more informative, is this: -- xpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: OOM: file e:\builds\moz2_slave\rel-m-rel-w32_bld-\build\xpcom\string\src\ nsTSubstring.cpp -- According to mozilla.org documentation, this file is part of the internal library that handles 8-bit and 16-bit character strings: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla_internal_string_guide -- The string classes are a library of C++ classes which are used to manage buffers of wide (16-bit) and narrow (8-bit) character strings. The library headers are in the xpcom/string/public directory, and the implementation is in the xpcom/string/src directory. -- Do you have any FireFox browser add-ons installed? Have you tried using a fresh FireFox profile? -e -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
Hi Eric, Many thanks for the great saving additions. I tried your suggested steps: 1) go to http://www.TiddlyWiki.com 2) edit a tiddler (just add something to HelloThere) 3) press save changes and yes I could download/save it. But I noticed some character encoding problems: - '© 2013 UnaMesa' in the Main Menu shows as '© 2013 UnaMesa - 'options »' in the Sidebar shows as 'options »' Windows 7 64-bit Firefox 21.0 (char encoding UTF-8) Cheers, Ton On Jun 3, 1:44 am, G.J.Robert robertus0...@gmail.com wrote: Congrats and thanks! Eric Shulman於 2013年6月3日星期一UTC+8上午4時01分21秒寫道： Greetings All, I'm pleased to announce that TiddlyWiki Classic v2.8.0 is now available for general use. The full release can be viewed/downloaded from here: http://www.TiddlyWiki.com/ Please see the [[WhatsNew]] tiddler for a summary of changes in this revision. enjoy, -e -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
Awesome! Any idea why my 2.7.2 tells me it's already upgraded to the latest version when I try to update it? On Sunday, June 2, 2013 1:01:21 PM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote: Greetings All, I'm pleased to announce that TiddlyWiki Classic v2.8.0 is now available for general use. The full release can be viewed/downloaded from here: http://www.TiddlyWiki.com/ Please see the [[WhatsNew]] tiddler for a summary of changes in this revision. enjoy, -e -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
On Jun 3, 11:32 am, BuildHeaven aeshan.to...@gmail.com wrote: Awesome! Any idea why my 2.7.2 tells me it's already upgraded to the latest version when I try to update it? oops! There are still a few manual steps involved in posting a new update to TiddlyWiki. One of them is to put the latest TWCore in the right place online for the upgrade process to find it. It should be fixed now. thanks, -e -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
Eric,
I have a Serious problem exposed with TiddlyWiki 2.8.0 in a special case ?
I think it important to report something here but I would understand that
it may not be fixable at this stage. As posted by myself on a number of
occasions I have been getting FireFox Abends - Closes Firefox when
selecting Save Changes (Latest FireFox/TiddlyFox and earlier versions) -
the problem is before 2.8.0 this* may or may not happen on any save* and it
seems the longer the period without a save the more likely it will happen
(When more is to be lost). This has been a wicked problem for me and I have
tried to resolve it with all combinations of FF browser and plugin
elimination.
Since installing 2.8.0 this problem is now repeatable because without
TiddlyFox enabled it happens on every save.
Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download over Dropbox copy from which it
was loaded abends FF, Reopen FF File not found - Firefox can't find the
file at /b:/TiddlyWiki/MasterDBV4.htm - File was deleted.
Disable TiddlyFox Save Changes, Download to new location from which it was
loaded abends FF, Reopen FF file was Not deleted.
This means should the local file save fail care of TiddlyFox, the fall back
(new 2.8.0 code) is now a guaranteed abend of FireFox) for me.
This is not occurring with the minimum test case !
I have disabled all Plugins containing netscape.security, From
netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');
including QuickEdit one of my favorite plugins but sadley the fault is
still occurring.
*Request
Given you are currently knee deep in the save code of tiddlyWiki could you
please advise what plugin code could be interfering with this process and
causing abends? I will then search for this code and disable plugins to see
if I can eliminate it.*
I will undertake another plugin disable and reenable elimination process
because at least now the problem is predicable (assuming its that same).
FF Crash report below
Regards Tony
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xpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: OOM: file
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MSAFD NetBIOS
[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
*Thank you, Eric!* A year ago, two trends converged to discourage me: The *Great Browser Crisis of TiddlyWiki*, and my own favorite wiki documents becoming to large and slow to handle. Thanks to you and others, the G.B.Crisis is gone (although I still have psychological scars and some technical knowledge I never asked for). As for my documents, I've found solutions and work-arounds, and decided I don't need so many plug-ins ... who knows, maybe I'll be able to get some more RAM someday. In summary, I can breathe again. Thanks! * A Minor Criticism about Presentation* The Downloading http://tiddlywiki.com/#Downloadingtiddler in 2.8.0 does not include references to Windows 7, Window 8, and Chrome. That tiddler is the first place to which a TW Newbie is directed from the opening screen. I think prospective users would conclude from the current content that TW is a stale project. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki version 2.8.0 full release
Congrats and thanks! Eric Shulman於 2013年6月3日星期一UTC+8上午4時01分21秒寫道： Greetings All, I'm pleased to announce that TiddlyWiki Classic v2.8.0 is now available for general use. The full release can be viewed/downloaded from here: http://www.TiddlyWiki.com/ Please see the [[WhatsNew]] tiddler for a summary of changes in this revision. enjoy, -e -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
