[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

[BurningTreeC]

Hi Surya,

for the tiddler-frame try this:

.tc-tiddler-frame {
border: 2px solid #ff;
}

this should give you a red border that's 2px wide

for the title I'd try:

.tc-tiddler-frame .tc-title h2 {
font-size: 10px;
}


Am Montag, 15. Januar 2018 20:34:33 UTC+1 schrieb Surya:
>
> Hello,
>
> yes, I know, this question about reducing the font size of tiddler titles 
> has been here several times.
> But: I tested them all with no success at all.
>
> I tested:
>
>- Adding a new tiddler tagged with $:/tags/stylesheet and tested 
>there- of course one test after another ;-) And I modified the number from 
>very high to very big:
>- .tc-title { font-size: 0.8em; }
>   - .title { font-size:85%; } 
>   - .title { font-size: 16px }
>- *>>>*All three didn't make any effect at all.
>
>
>
>
>- 
>
> Find the tiddler 
>> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base (I think this holds the base styling 
>> for all themes)
>>
>> And edit the following styling to be what you want
>> .tc-titlebar h2 { font-size: 1em; display: inline; }
>>
> *>>>*That didn't change the font size of the title but the layout of the 
> sidebar- everything moved to the left...
>
>
>
>
>- The only tip that made a little bit positiv effect was
>
> I modified h2 to h6 in 
>> $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title
>>
>> Now the space between the title and the text of the tiddler is too large.
>>
> *>>>*The same unwanted effect in my case.
>
>
> So, how could I make the title smaller (not only the font of the title, 
> but the whole line).
>
>
>
>
> *AND:*
> *How can I reduce the (default white) frame around tiddlers?*
>
> Surya
>
>

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

[BurningTreeC]

I changed it and this works

.tc-tiddler-frame *h2*.tc-title {
font-size: 10px !important;
}


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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

[BurningTreeC]

for no border:

.tc-tiddler-frame {
   border: 0px solid #ff !important;
}

you can put both in a new tiddler and tag it with $:/tags/Stylesheet

no need to edit the vanilla/base Stylesheet

Simon

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi,

I wrote one tiddler for the title size and one for reducing the frame of 
the whole tiddler. And tagged both with $:/tags/Stylesheet.

*For the title:*
no, I'm really sorry, but both didn't make the title size smaller. Not at 
all...

And I also tried 
.tc-tiddler-frame .tc-title h6 {
font-size: 5px !important;
}

and
.tc-tiddler-frame h6.tc-title {
font-size: 5px !important;
}


to see eventually more effect. But nothing



*For the frame:*
I just added a thin red frame to the tiddlers, but didn't reduce the white 
frame.

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Simon,


for no border:
>
> .tc-tiddler-frame {
>border: 0px solid #ff !important;
> }
>
>>>Sorry, it didn't reduce the frame :-(




> you can put both in a new tiddler and tag it with $:/tags/Stylesheet
>
>>>Do you mean, there is no need for two tiddlers, but putting both 
commands (for title AND for the frame) in ONE tiddler?

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

[BurningTreeC]

hm, let's see...

you could inspect the title with right-click on it --> inspect (untersuchen)

then something pops up and there should be a tab called elements

there you can see css styles that are currently applied
if you look a little bit around, you may find something that works. you can 
also edit the styles in that window to see what it changes. they don't get 
saved

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

[BurningTreeC]

ok, so you maybe want the space between the content and the border gone?

like:

.tc-tiddler-frame {
padding: 5px 10px 10px 10px !important;
}

Am Montag, 15. Januar 2018 21:15:49 UTC+1 schrieb Surya:
>
> Hi Simon,
>
>
> for no border:
>>
>> .tc-tiddler-frame {
>>border: 0px solid #ff !important;
>> }
>>
> >>>Sorry, it didn't reduce the frame :-(
>
>
>
>
>> you can put both in a new tiddler and tag it with $:/tags/Stylesheet
>>
> >>>Do you mean, there is no need for two tiddlers, but putting both 
> commands (for title AND for the frame) in ONE tiddler?
>

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Simon,


ok, so you maybe want the space between the content and the border gone?
>
> like:
>
> .tc-tiddler-frame {
> padding: 5px 10px 10px 10px !important;
> - zitierten Text einblenden -
> yes, that's how I do it :) 
>
>>>Yeahhh :-) That effects in the way I wanted :-)))
THANKS!!


I'll try now your advice with the right-click for the title size.

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

Okay,

now the frame-command doesn't work anymore...
Even not in the same wiki-copy without the changes I made.
???

Okay, for both (title & frame):

I looked around in this elements-thing and I think, I can find out, what to 
modify.

I think, I have to write then that what I found in a tiddler in order to 
get it saved in the wiki, right?
But:
What exactly do I have to copy? The right red marked in my picture? The 
left marked in my picture? Both?
And: How to copy the commands? I tried with inner HTML and with outer HTML, 
but with both I get an almost endless tiddler.



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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

[BurningTreeC]

Hi Surya,

your're doing it right, just don't give up  :)
on the screenshot you've marked the tiddler. there's a "+" on the left, 
click that. it opens the tiddler structure. more things appear and more "+" 
... go search for the tiddler title and you'll see something like TiddlerView TitleSize 

always look for the *class="..." *that's what you can address with a 
Stylesheet Tiddler by writing .classname { something: value; }

you also have the smaller window on the right side that shows the styles 
that are currently applied to what is marked on the left side.
by inspecting these both things you can figure out what is currently 
applied and what you want to override with your own stylesheet.
in the right window you should be able to click on styles and to change 
them, to see what it changes in your wiki. this doesn't get saved, it's 
only applied currently. if you reload your wiki this is gone.
but if you put it in a stylesheet tiddler it will be saved.

by the structure that is shown on the *left *side you can also figure out 
how to address your elements *directly *without addressing other elements.

example: 



   
hello
  



then this addresses the tc-title class in this example (how you address it 
depends how this structure looks like): 

.tc-tiddler-frame .tc-title {
something: value;
}

in this example, .tc-titlebar .tc-title { something: value; } would work, 
too.



Am Montag, 15. Januar 2018 22:31:12 UTC+1 schrieb Surya:
>
> Okay,
>
> now the frame-command doesn't work anymore...
> Even not in the same wiki-copy without the changes I made.
> ???
>
> Okay, for both (title & frame):
>
> I looked around in this elements-thing and I think, I can find out, what 
> to modify.
>
> I think, I have to write then that what I found in a tiddler in order to 
> get it saved in the wiki, right?
> But:
> What exactly do I have to copy? The right red marked in my picture? The 
> left marked in my picture? Both?
> And: How to copy the commands? I tried with inner HTML and with outer 
> HTML, but with both I get an almost endless tiddler.
>
>
> 
>

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

[PMario]

On Monday, January 15, 2018 at 8:43:31 PM UTC+1, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> .tc-tiddler-frame {
> border: 2px solid #ff !important;
> }
>

Don't use !important ... It's toxic. 

just my opinion
-m

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

[PMario]

Hi Surya, 

It shuld be relatively simple. ... Except you already use different themes 
and stylesheets, that overwrite the default settings. 

Do you use a 3rd party theme?

If you go to "Advanced Search": Filter tab and insert: 
[tag[$:/tags/Stylesheet]]

What does it show?

-m

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi

@PMario:

Birthe was right, I'm quite worried about the size of my wikis. Because I 
read very often that the size becomes quite fast a problem. Somewhere I 
read, the boundary is at about 4MB for mobile devices. *If that is wrong, 
please tell me.* I need my wikis for my desktop AND for my Android devices 
(which are not the newest ones and not Highend).
Because of that I always think about what I really need and what not and 
delete (or not install) everything, I don't really need.

   1. I think, themes will have a lot of things which I don't need.
   2. I think, I'll won't find a perfect theme for me- having exactly that 
   what I need.
   3. Because of that, I'd like to write it for my own- only the things I 
   want to have.
   4. When BurningTree does it and it works in his wikis- so why not??
   

@Simon:
When I read your answer after my work, I thought "Hey, I almost never give 
up in my life! What is he talking about?? I am so near to my styling goal!"
Now, after several hours searching, trying and so on

I'm quite near to give up for my side (for the styling wishes).

I tried at first with the frame.
Tried several times to find in the elements and to write it in the tiddler.
For a short time it worked (something combined, what you wrote here and 
something I found in the elements).
Then I modified it a little bit. The success was gone- forever ;-) I 
couldn't reproduce it.
Again I tried to find out, where the things are in the left panel and what 
to modify in the right panel.
Success on both sides :-)
But I couldn't find out, where it is exactly in the left panel. E.g. I 
found out that, when I click on  on the 
left and modify it on the right, it gives me the wanted result.
But writing that in a tiddler- no success. Searching for all the subitems 
of  (all the +)- I found nothing and 
always I didn't know WHERE I AM NOW??? There are so many subitems- I always 
got completely confused.
I am sorry.

Then I thought, okay, I just tell (you) here, the "top"-"adress" of the 
left panel like  and write, what I 
modified on the right.
And hope, maybe you're lovely and write the full command for my 
Stylesheet-Tiddler.
The red lines are from the left panel, the green ones are the related 
modifier of the right panel.

It is almost perfect now :-))) But: Now I cannot see anymore the rating 
stars from the rating plugin & the icons (inserted when the tiddler is 
tagged with a special tag) are a bit unvisible.
And I couldn't find out, how to resolve that- I resetted the modifiers from 
which I thought, they are responsible for that to the original value- no 
success.
Sorry (for me with my wishes and for you for your help), I give up.

Surya


.tc-sidebar-scrollable {
position: fixed;
top: -35px;
left: 965px;
bottom: 0px;
right: 0px;
overflow: auto;
margin: 0px 0px 0px -42px;
padding: 41px 0px 28px 42px;
}


.tc-site-title, .tc-titlebar {
font-size: 2.35em;
line-height: 1.2em;
color: #95;
margin: 0px 0px -10px;
margin-top: 0px;
margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px;
margin-left: 0px;
font-weight: 300;
}

 But this modifier should be 
for every tiddler in the whole wiki.
.tc-tiddler-frame {
padding: 5px 5px 1px;
padding-top: 5px;
padding-right: 5px;
padding-bottom: 1px;
padding-left: 5px;
width: 950px;
border-radius: 2px;
}


body.tc-body {
font-size: 10px;
line-height: 11px;
word-wrap: break-word;
color: #333;
fill: #333;
}


.tc-tags-wrapper {
margin: 4px 0px;
margin-top: 4px;
margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 14px;
margin-left: 0px;
}


button.tc-tag-label, span.tc-tag-label {
display: inline-block;
padding: 0.16em 0.7em;
font-size: 1.03em;
font-weight: 400;
line-height: 1.2em;
color: #FFF;
white-space: nowrap;
vertical-align: baseline;
background-color: #D5AD34;
border-radius: 1em;
}

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

[Birthe C]

Hi Surya,

.tc-titlebar is the bar with tiddler title and tiddler controls. Above you 
first set that to a big size and later you ask for .tc-tiddler-title to be 
smaller. You have to decide what you want to make it sork.

Birthe

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi,

well In german we say "wenn ich mich an einem Problem festgebissen 
habe"- I don't know how to say in englisch- maybe something like biten into 
a problem??

I don't give up.

Again I looked into it.
And found, that the 

.tc-site-title, .tc-titlebar {
font-size: 2.35em;
line-height: 1.2em;
color: #95;
margin: 0px 0px -10px;
margin-top: 0px;
margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px;
margin-left: 0px;
font-weight: 300;
}

made the problem with the rating-stars & the icons.
This is the correct one:


.tc-site-title, .tc-titlebar {
font-size: 2.35em;
line-height: 1.2em;
color: #95;
margin: 0px 0px -4px;
margin-top: 0px;
margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: -4px;
margin-left: 0px;
font-weight: 300;
}

Maybe you / someone could tell me, how to write that all into a tiddler (or 
several tiddlers?)?


@Birthe:

>  .tc-titlebar is the bar with tiddler title and tiddler controls. Above 
> you first set that to a big size and later you ask for .tc-tiddler-title to 
> be smaller. You have to decide what you want to make it sork.

 >>>Even if would know what to do with your information (where to edit 
what) I still don't know, how to write all that into a tiddler, so that it 
is saved.
:-(
Surya

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

[Birthe C]

Hi Surya,

Try this..it worked in my tiddlywiki.

.tc-tiddler-frame {
padding-top:10px; 
border:2px solid red;
}


.tc-tiddler-title {
font-size:10px;
}




Birthe

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Birthe,

It works :-) And saved :-)
I don't know why, but I had to write the frame two times ( and modified tow 
my wishes)

.tc-tiddler-frame {
padding-top:5px;
border:2px solid lightgreen;
}


.tc-tiddler-frame {
padding: 5px 5px 1px;
padding-top: 5px;
padding-right: 5px;
padding-bottom: 1px;
padding-left: 5px;
border:2px solid lightgreen;
}


.tc-tiddler-title {
font-size:10px;
}


This is how it works now :-)))

*THANKS !!*

..

*And who knows about the rest??*


(@Birthe:
At the moment I modify my ToDo-Lists with background-colours, so that it is 
better visible when popping up, where is what :-)
I am a bit proud of it ;-)

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

[Birthe C]

Hi Surya,

This helped me, maybe you will like it too 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/6wRRqZeOZ6Q/PzRbtnmeFQAJ

Birthe

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

Hello :-

Do you know, how proud I am now???

I made everything I wanted :- YES


With the help of Birthes answer:

Try this..it worked in my tiddlywiki.
>
> .tc-tiddler-frame {
> padding-top:10px; 
> border:2px solid red;
> }
>
>
> .tc-tiddler-title {
> font-size:10px;
> }
>
and with just a happy coincidence (or fortuity?) I found it out.

I always copy & paste what commands are posted here and I copy & paste, 
what I wrote before or what is written anywhere else. To find out the 
difference or to find out a pattern or just find out anything.

Because of that I had the .tc-tiddler-frame two times, like this:
.tc-tiddler-frame { padding-top:5px;  padding-left:10px; border:2px solid 
darkgreen; }

.tc-tiddler-frame {
padding: 5px 5px 1px;
padding-top: 5px;
padding-right: 5px;
padding-bottom: 1px;
padding-left: 10px;
border:2px solid darkgreen;
}
And then it worked.
Before I had only
.tc-tiddler-frame {
padding: 5px 5px 1px;
padding-top: 5px;
padding-right: 5px;
padding-bottom: 1px;
padding-left: 10px;
border:2px solid darkgreen;
}
and it didn't work.


And I saw, that there was written nothing from the left panel (in the 
elements). Nothing like .
I thought, okay, maybe it is more simple, than I thought before. Just try 
always to write the command from the right panel, but two times.

I tried that with my other wishes I have written before. But it didn't work.
I looked again at the tiddler-frame command, what worked.
And I guessed a pattern- ... and that guess was the right one :-)

The pattern is:
In the 1. I have to write *only* this thing I changed (blue marked), *nothing 
else*.
In the 2. I have to write the whole chapter, but also nothing else.

So, if I want to change the frame on the top and the bottom (but not on the 
left & right) and add a green frame to it:


1. .tc-tiddler-frame { padding-top: 5px; padding-bottom: 1px; border:2px 
solid darkgreen; }

2. .tc-tiddler-frame {
padding: 5px 42px 1px 42px;
padding-top: 5px;
padding-right: 42px;
padding-bottom: 1px;
padding-left: 42px;
border:2px solid darkgreen;
}

This is in one tiddler tagged with $:/tags/StyleSheet.

And I wrote all my other wishes for page & tiddler styling in this one 
tiddler.


Maybe this description will help some other newbies :-)

So, thanks a lot to Birthe and all other helpers!
I'll come back with questions immediately ;-)
But I don't have so much questions anymore :-)
Surya

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

[TonyM]

Surya,

Congrats, You are now "on a roll", a "tiddlywiki roll"

Welcome to the club

Tony
On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 7:27:10 AM UTC+11, Surya wrote:
>
> Hello :-
>
> Do you know, how proud I am now???
>
> I made everything I wanted :- YES
>
>
> With the help of Birthes answer:
>
> Try this..it worked in my tiddlywiki.
>>
>> .tc-tiddler-frame {
>> padding-top:10px; 
>> border:2px solid red;
>> }
>>
>>
>> .tc-tiddler-title {
>> font-size:10px;
>> }
>>
> and with just a happy coincidence (or fortuity?) I found it out.
>
> I always copy & paste what commands are posted here and I copy & paste, 
> what I wrote before or what is written anywhere else. To find out the 
> difference or to find out a pattern or just find out anything.
>
> Because of that I had the .tc-tiddler-frame two times, like this:
> .tc-tiddler-frame { padding-top:5px;  padding-left:10px; border:2px solid 
> darkgreen; }
>
> .tc-tiddler-frame {
> padding: 5px 5px 1px;
> padding-top: 5px;
> padding-right: 5px;
> padding-bottom: 1px;
> padding-left: 10px;
> border:2px solid darkgreen;
> }
> And then it worked.
> Before I had only
> .tc-tiddler-frame {
> padding: 5px 5px 1px;
> padding-top: 5px;
> padding-right: 5px;
> padding-bottom: 1px;
> padding-left: 10px;
> border:2px solid darkgreen;
> }
> and it didn't work.
>
>
> And I saw, that there was written nothing from the left panel (in the 
> elements). Nothing like .
> I thought, okay, maybe it is more simple, than I thought before. Just try 
> always to write the command from the right panel, but two times.
>
> I tried that with my other wishes I have written before. But it didn't 
> work.
> I looked again at the tiddler-frame command, what worked.
> And I guessed a pattern- ... and that guess was the right one :-)
>
> The pattern is:
> In the 1. I have to write *only* this thing I changed (blue marked), *nothing 
> else*.
> In the 2. I have to write the whole chapter, but also nothing else.
>
> So, if I want to change the frame on the top and the bottom (but not on 
> the left & right) and add a green frame to it:
>
>
> 1. .tc-tiddler-frame { padding-top: 5px; padding-bottom: 1px; border:2px 
> solid darkgreen; }
>
> 2. .tc-tiddler-frame {
> padding: 5px 42px 1px 42px;
> padding-top: 5px;
> padding-right: 42px;
> padding-bottom: 1px;
> padding-left: 42px;
> border:2px solid darkgreen;
> }
>
> This is in one tiddler tagged with $:/tags/StyleSheet.
>
> And I wrote all my other wishes for page & tiddler styling in this one 
> tiddler.
>
>
> Maybe this description will help some other newbies :-)
>
> So, thanks a lot to Birthe and all other helpers!
> I'll come back with questions immediately ;-)
> But I don't have so much questions anymore :-)
> Surya
>

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[tw] Re: How to Reduce font size of tiddler title and the (default white) frame around the tiddlers?

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

WHAT???
A bread roll?
For the next breakfast?

ha ha ha ha

no, please wait, I have to be baken a bit longer

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