[tw] Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Tagging and moving from Tag to Body text?

[Captain Packers]

I would be in favor of an improved way to manage tagging mouse-free. I like the 
idea of adding up, down, and enter keys functionality. Even better would be the 
ability to enter multiple tags at the same time by comma or space separation.

Thanks

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Re: [tw] Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Tagging and moving from Tag to Body text?

[Rustem]

This will save you time and mouse mileage when entering new tiddlers (or 
adding tags to tiddlers without many pre-existing tags):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/eB-t2kK620o/_fYlsfsKJQAJ

On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 6:31:07 AM UTC-7, Marcus Baw wrote:
>
> @eric - thanks! - that is very helpful. Perhaps not the most intuitive 
> shortcuts, but they get the job done and will definitely save me time.
> M
>
> On 26 July 2016 at 14:21, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> There's also the problem of navigating from the tags down into the text. 
>> If you have hundreds of tags, you have to tab hundreds of times. And, once 
>> you're in the text box, the tab list is still open, blocking your view!
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 2:16:53 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 1:16:25 AM UTC-7, Marcus Baw wrote:

 Just re-asking the question: Is there any way to select tags using the 
 keyboard? I've tried various things and don't seem to be able to find a 
 way 
 to select them via keyboard.

 After typing the title of the tiddler, I can `tab` into the next input 
 (to enter a tag name). If I start typing here I can narrow the list of 
 tags, but I can't select from the list using `up-arrow / down-arrow` or 
 any 
 other key combination I can find. Creating a new tag is also not possible 
 via keyboard.

>>>
>>> The steps for entering or selecting a tag using only the keyboard are 
>>> not obvious, and is regrettably awkward.
>>>
>>> To create a new tag:
>>>
>>> 1) Move the focus to the tag input field
>>> 2) Enter the desired tag text
>>> 3) Press TAB 2 times... the 1st tab moves to the downarrow button, the 
>>> 2nd tab moves to the "add" button
>>> 4) Press ENTER to push the button... the tag is added to the tiddler.
>>> 5) To return to the tag input field, use SHIFT-TAB 2 times.
>>>
>>> To select an existing tag:
>>>
>>> 1) Move the focus to the tag input field... the list of tags (if any) 
>>> appears.
>>> 2) Press TAB 3 times... the 1st tab moves to the downarrow button, the 
>>> 2nd tab moves to the "add" button, the 3rd tab moves to the top of the list 
>>> of tags.)
>>> 3) Continue to press TAB to move down the list until the desired tag is 
>>> highlighted.
>>> 4) Press ENTER to add the tag.
>>> 5) To return to the tag input field, use SHIFT-TAB 3 times.
>>>
>>> Of course, this process would be MUCH smoother if you could use ENTER 
>>> directly from the tag input field to add the tag, and DOWN/UP ARROWS to 
>>> move focus from the input field to the list, as well as moving through the 
>>> list.
>>>
>>> For the first part, perhaps the core <$edit-text> widget handling could 
>>> be extended so that the *contents* of the widget (which are currently 
>>> ignored) could be used to specify *action-widgets* that would be triggered 
>>> when the ENTER key is pressed.  In this particular use-case, the action 
>>> would be the same as when the "add" button is pressed (i.e., the tag is 
>>> added to the tiddler).  As an extra bonus, this functionality (triggering 
>>> actions when ENTER is pressed in an input field) might also be useful for 
>>> other edit fields, not just the tab input.
>>>
>>> For the second part (DOWN/UP ARROWS), it might be possible to extend the 
>>> tag 'pill' keyboard event handling so that DOWN/UP arrow is treated as if 
>>> TAB/SHIFT-TAB was pressed, so that the existing navigation handling would 
>>> be triggered (i.e., moving the focus/selection between items in the tab 
>>> list).
>>>
>>> Jeremy: what do you think?  Is this do-able?
>>>
>>> enjoy,
>>> -e
>>> Eric Shulman
>>> TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios
>>> InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing Manuals
>>>
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[tw] Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Tagging and moving from Tag to Body text?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

There's also the problem of navigating from the tags down into the text. If 
you have hundreds of tags, you have to tab hundreds of times. And, once 
you're in the text box, the tab list is still open, blocking your view!

Thanks!
Mark

On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 2:16:53 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 1:16:25 AM UTC-7, Marcus Baw wrote:
>>
>> Just re-asking the question: Is there any way to select tags using the 
>> keyboard? I've tried various things and don't seem to be able to find a way 
>> to select them via keyboard.
>>
>> After typing the title of the tiddler, I can `tab` into the next input 
>> (to enter a tag name). If I start typing here I can narrow the list of 
>> tags, but I can't select from the list using `up-arrow / down-arrow` or any 
>> other key combination I can find. Creating a new tag is also not possible 
>> via keyboard.
>>
>
> The steps for entering or selecting a tag using only the keyboard are not 
> obvious, and is regrettably awkward.
>
> To create a new tag:
>
> 1) Move the focus to the tag input field
> 2) Enter the desired tag text
> 3) Press TAB 2 times... the 1st tab moves to the downarrow button, the 2nd 
> tab moves to the "add" button
> 4) Press ENTER to push the button... the tag is added to the tiddler.
> 5) To return to the tag input field, use SHIFT-TAB 2 times.
>
> To select an existing tag:
>
> 1) Move the focus to the tag input field... the list of tags (if any) 
> appears.
> 2) Press TAB 3 times... the 1st tab moves to the downarrow button, the 2nd 
> tab moves to the "add" button, the 3rd tab moves to the top of the list of 
> tags.)
> 3) Continue to press TAB to move down the list until the desired tag is 
> highlighted.
> 4) Press ENTER to add the tag.
> 5) To return to the tag input field, use SHIFT-TAB 3 times.
>
> Of course, this process would be MUCH smoother if you could use ENTER 
> directly from the tag input field to add the tag, and DOWN/UP ARROWS to 
> move focus from the input field to the list, as well as moving through the 
> list.
>
> For the first part, perhaps the core <$edit-text> widget handling could be 
> extended so that the *contents* of the widget (which are currently ignored) 
> could be used to specify *action-widgets* that would be triggered when the 
> ENTER key is pressed.  In this particular use-case, the action would be the 
> same as when the "add" button is pressed (i.e., the tag is added to the 
> tiddler).  As an extra bonus, this functionality (triggering actions when 
> ENTER is pressed in an input field) might also be useful for other edit 
> fields, not just the tab input.
>
> For the second part (DOWN/UP ARROWS), it might be possible to extend the 
> tag 'pill' keyboard event handling so that DOWN/UP arrow is treated as if 
> TAB/SHIFT-TAB was pressed, so that the existing navigation handling would 
> be triggered (i.e., moving the focus/selection between items in the tab 
> list).
>
> Jeremy: what do you think?  Is this do-able?
>
> enjoy,
> -e
> Eric Shulman
> TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios
> InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing Manuals
>
>

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[tw] Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Tagging and moving from Tag to Body text?

[Eric Shulman]

On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 1:16:25 AM UTC-7, Marcus Baw wrote:
>
> Just re-asking the question: Is there any way to select tags using the 
> keyboard? I've tried various things and don't seem to be able to find a way 
> to select them via keyboard.
>
> After typing the title of the tiddler, I can `tab` into the next input (to 
> enter a tag name). If I start typing here I can narrow the list of tags, 
> but I can't select from the list using `up-arrow / down-arrow` or any other 
> key combination I can find. Creating a new tag is also not possible via 
> keyboard.
>

The steps for entering or selecting a tag using only the keyboard are not 
obvious, and is regrettably awkward.

To create a new tag:

1) Move the focus to the tag input field
2) Enter the desired tag text
3) Press TAB 2 times... the 1st tab moves to the downarrow button, the 2nd 
tab moves to the "add" button
4) Press ENTER to push the button... the tag is added to the tiddler.
5) To return to the tag input field, use SHIFT-TAB 2 times.

To select an existing tag:

1) Move the focus to the tag input field... the list of tags (if any) 
appears.
2) Press TAB 3 times... the 1st tab moves to the downarrow button, the 2nd 
tab moves to the "add" button, the 3rd tab moves to the top of the list of 
tags.)
3) Continue to press TAB to move down the list until the desired tag is 
highlighted.
4) Press ENTER to add the tag.
5) To return to the tag input field, use SHIFT-TAB 3 times.

Of course, this process would be MUCH smoother if you could use ENTER 
directly from the tag input field to add the tag, and DOWN/UP ARROWS to 
move focus from the input field to the list, as well as moving through the 
list.

For the first part, perhaps the core <$edit-text> widget handling could be 
extended so that the *contents* of the widget (which are currently ignored) 
could be used to specify *action-widgets* that would be triggered when the 
ENTER key is pressed.  In this particular use-case, the action would be the 
same as when the "add" button is pressed (i.e., the tag is added to the 
tiddler).  As an extra bonus, this functionality (triggering actions when 
ENTER is pressed in an input field) might also be useful for other edit 
fields, not just the tab input.

For the second part (DOWN/UP ARROWS), it might be possible to extend the 
tag 'pill' keyboard event handling so that DOWN/UP arrow is treated as if 
TAB/SHIFT-TAB was pressed, so that the existing navigation handling would 
be triggered (i.e., moving the focus/selection between items in the tab 
list).

Jeremy: what do you think?  Is this do-able?

enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios
InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing Manuals

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[tw] Re: Keyboard shortcuts for Tagging and moving from Tag to Body text?

[Marcus Baw]

Just re-asking the question: Is there any way to select tags using the 
keyboard? I've tried various things and don't seem to be able to find a way 
to select them via keyboard.

After typing the title of the tiddler, I can `tab` into the next input (to 
enter a tag name). If I start typing here I can narrow the list of tags, 
but I can't select from the list using `up-arrow / down-arrow` or any other 
key combination I can find. Creating a new tag is also not possible via 
keyboard.

Is there a way to implement this, either via plugin or a tweak? I'm not 
great at JavaScript but happy to have a go.

M

On Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:39:57 UTC+1, Marcus Baw wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm a recent returner to TiddlyWiki having used it for an 
> organisational Wiki (in a place where a 'server' based Wiki would have been 
> impossible due to poor IT management) some years ago.
>
> May I first say how impressed I am with the New TiddlyWiki, which has 
> managed to keep everything I thought was awesome about TiddlyWiki, and add 
> even more flexibility and features, as well as a really nice look and feel.
>
> I use keyboard shortcuts extensively and don't like to have to transition 
> from keyboard to mouse when I don't need to. Mostly TiddlyWiki supports 
> keyboarding, but one area I'm struggling with is adding/selecting tags 
> (either via free text new tags, or from the tag menu) and also moving from 
> the tag input to the body text input with keyboard shortcuts.
>
> I couldn't find anything in the Keyboard documentation or in my Settings 
> Tiddler, and Tab (the seemingly most 'intuitive' key to move from input box 
> to input box down the page) doesn't work for me.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Marcus
>

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