[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

I found that sequence diagrammes seem to copy / paste, but DAG and GANTT do 
not.

On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 1:44:16 PM UTC-7, Sean Boyle wrote:
>
> My workaround is to use the online editor: 
> https://mermaidjs.github.io/mermaid-live-editor/#/edit/eyJjb2RlIjoiZ3JhcGggVERcbkFbQ2hyaXN0bWFzXSAtLT58R2V0IG1vbmV5fCBCKEdvIHNob3BwaW5nKVxuQiAtLT4gQ3tMZXQgbWUgdGhpbmt9XG5DIC0tPnxPbmV8IERbTGFwdG9wXVxuQyAtLT58VHdvfCBFW2lQaG9uZV1cbkMgLS0-fFRocmVlfCBGW0Nhcl1cbiIsIm1lcm1haWQiOnsidGhlbWUiOiJkZWZhdWx0In19
>  , 
> save as SVG, import to TW, and transclude.  That seems to work OK for 
> copy/paste to other windows.  It does seem to be a problem for other 
> graphical stuff, like railroad diagrams.
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 4:39:51 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Sean
>>
>> I agree that Mermaid for TiddlyWiki is good. Its simple plain text syntax 
>> is excellent and fits TW editing style very well. 
>>
>> Regarding the non-printability. That is a known issue with that type of 
>> graphic rendering. I'm not sure that its easily fixable. The way I get 
>> round it if I need to print a Mermaid diagram is to take a screen capture 
>> save as a file and link to that image in the TW. Its too laborious a method 
>> for other than occasional use, but a work-around for limited cases.
>>
>> You are right: looks like its been basically abandoned. Part of the issue 
>> is I think the author probably concluded that no one was interested. He has 
>> other good graphic tools that equally haven't got much notice.
>>
>> As far as I can see it needs a bit of tweeking -- one issue I sometimes 
>> encountered was getting the text to fit properly. But the core is there and 
>> functional.
>>
>> As far as getting the plugin revised. I dunno. I don't have skill for 
>> that. Its a good tool so maybe in time interest to revisit it will grow?
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

My workaround is to use the online editor: 
https://mermaidjs.github.io/mermaid-live-editor/#/edit/eyJjb2RlIjoiZ3JhcGggVERcbkFbQ2hyaXN0bWFzXSAtLT58R2V0IG1vbmV5fCBCKEdvIHNob3BwaW5nKVxuQiAtLT4gQ3tMZXQgbWUgdGhpbmt9XG5DIC0tPnxPbmV8IERbTGFwdG9wXVxuQyAtLT58VHdvfCBFW2lQaG9uZV1cbkMgLS0-fFRocmVlfCBGW0Nhcl1cbiIsIm1lcm1haWQiOnsidGhlbWUiOiJkZWZhdWx0In19
 , 
save as SVG, import to TW, and transclude.  That seems to work OK for 
copy/paste to other windows.  It does seem to be a problem for other 
graphical stuff, like railroad diagrams.

On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 4:39:51 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Sean
>
> I agree that Mermaid for TiddlyWiki is good. Its simple plain text syntax 
> is excellent and fits TW editing style very well. 
>
> Regarding the non-printability. That is a known issue with that type of 
> graphic rendering. I'm not sure that its easily fixable. The way I get 
> round it if I need to print a Mermaid diagram is to take a screen capture 
> save as a file and link to that image in the TW. Its too laborious a method 
> for other than occasional use, but a work-around for limited cases.
>
> You are right: looks like its been basically abandoned. Part of the issue 
> is I think the author probably concluded that no one was interested. He has 
> other good graphic tools that equally haven't got much notice.
>
> As far as I can see it needs a bit of tweeking -- one issue I sometimes 
> encountered was getting the text to fit properly. But the core is there and 
> functional.
>
> As far as getting the plugin revised. I dunno. I don't have skill for 
> that. Its a good tool so maybe in time interest to revisit it will grow?
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>

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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Sean

I agree that Mermaid for TiddlyWiki is good. Its simple plain text syntax 
is excellent and fits TW editing style very well. 

Regarding the non-printability. That is a known issue with that type of 
graphic rendering. I'm not sure that its easily fixable. The way I get 
round it if I need to print a Mermaid diagram is to take a screen capture 
save as a file and link to that image in the TW. Its too laborious a method 
for other than occasional use, but a work-around for limited cases.

You are right: looks like its been basically abandoned. Part of the issue 
is I think the author probably concluded that no one was interested. He has 
other good graphic tools that equally haven't got much notice.

As far as I can see it needs a bit of tweeking -- one issue I sometimes 
encountered was getting the text to fit properly. But the core is there and 
functional.

As far as getting the plugin revised. I dunno. I don't have skill for that. 
Its a good tool so maybe in time interest to revisit it will grow?

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

I just checked in after a hiatus.  It appears that this has not 
progressed.  Though it has warts, it is the best thing going.  The 
graphviz-like syntax is simple and elegant.  The only real inconvenience at 
this point is an inability to print or export.  I am able with most any 
tiddler to copy/paste to a web-based email client (Outlook web access), but 
the drawings do not come across.  Printing also renders as simply blank.  
The other issue reported is more of an annoyance, but these are more 
serious.  Is there a future for this plugin?

On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 2:28:11 PM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Sean
>
> Great you try to comment. You'll need be on (sign up for) GitHub at 
> https://github.com/
>
> Then open a "New issue" at https://github.com/gt6796c/mermaid-tw5/issues 
> to write whatever you want. 
>
> IF in your message you include my github name "@tiddlytweeter" I will get 
> a copy of whatever you write and will comment back if I see follow up is 
> needed.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Monday, 31 July 2017 22:58:10 UTC+2, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>> Does the author monitor this, or should I go elsewhere?  I do have some 
>> feedback...
>>
>> On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 5:54:10 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao Sean
>>>
>>> Its really a beta demo, I think. Its never been honed. Mainly because 
>>> there was virtually no feedback to the author, either here, or on GitHub. 
>>> Its definitely in the right direction IMO. Maybe someone can build off it.
>>>
>>> Josiah
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:42:39 UTC+2, Sean Boyle wrote:

 Thanks Josiah
 I installed mermaid (and the other bits from 
 https://gt6796c.github.io/. 
 The flowchart seems to work OK, seqdiag seems to be broken, of the 
 mermaid stuff, dags and sequences seem to work, but gantt is broken.  For 
 what I want to do, dags and sequences solve the problem.

>>>

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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Sean

Great you try to comment. You'll need be on (sign up for) GitHub at 
https://github.com/

Then open a "New issue" at https://github.com/gt6796c/mermaid-tw5/issues to 
write whatever you want. 

IF in your message you include my github name "@tiddlytweeter" I will get a 
copy of whatever you write and will comment back if I see follow up is 
needed.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Monday, 31 July 2017 22:58:10 UTC+2, Sean Boyle wrote:
>
> Does the author monitor this, or should I go elsewhere?  I do have some 
> feedback...
>
> On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 5:54:10 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Sean
>>
>> Its really a beta demo, I think. Its never been honed. Mainly because 
>> there was virtually no feedback to the author, either here, or on GitHub. 
>> Its definitely in the right direction IMO. Maybe someone can build off it.
>>
>> Josiah
>>
>> On Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:42:39 UTC+2, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Josiah
>>> I installed mermaid (and the other bits from https://gt6796c.github.io/. 
>>> 
>>> The flowchart seems to work OK, seqdiag seems to be broken, of the 
>>> mermaid stuff, dags and sequences seem to work, but gantt is broken.  For 
>>> what I want to do, dags and sequences solve the problem.
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

Does the author monitor this, or should I go elsewhere?  I do have some 
feedback...

On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 5:54:10 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Sean
>
> Its really a beta demo, I think. Its never been honed. Mainly because 
> there was virtually no feedback to the author, either here, or on GitHub. 
> Its definitely in the right direction IMO. Maybe someone can build off it.
>
> Josiah
>
> On Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:42:39 UTC+2, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Josiah
>> I installed mermaid (and the other bits from https://gt6796c.github.io/. 
>> 
>> The flowchart seems to work OK, seqdiag seems to be broken, of the 
>> mermaid stuff, dags and sequences seem to work, but gantt is broken.  For 
>> what I want to do, dags and sequences solve the problem.
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Sean

Its really a beta demo, I think. Its never been honed. Mainly because there 
was virtually no feedback to the author, either here, or on GitHub. Its 
definitely in the right direction IMO. Maybe someone can build off it.

Josiah

On Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:42:39 UTC+2, Sean Boyle wrote:
>
> Thanks Josiah
> I installed mermaid (and the other bits from https://gt6796c.github.io/. 
> 
> The flowchart seems to work OK, seqdiag seems to be broken, of the mermaid 
> stuff, dags and sequences seem to work, but gantt is broken.  For what I 
> want to do, dags and sequences solve the problem.
>

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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Mark Grant]

 :thinking_face:
Sent from Astro  for Slack

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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Mark Grant]

 
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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

Thanks Josiah
I installed mermaid (and the other bits from https://gt6796c.github.io/. 

The flowchart seems to work OK, seqdiag seems to be broken, of the mermaid 
stuff, dags and sequences seem to work, but gantt is broken.  For what I 
want to do, dags and sequences solve the problem.
Perhaps in future, some people shall tackle UML, BPMN, Southbeach, CORAS 
and perhaps even some generic drawing of computer networks.

Thanks to all who responded!


On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 4:01:21 PM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Sean
>
> Drawing what? What kind of diagrams do you need?
>
> There are several logical diagramming plugins. Maybe not so easy to find 
> all of them if you unfamiliar. I probably can find them if you need.
>
> I believe there is a well featured Mermaid plugin that does complex flow 
> diagrams & Gannt charts. There are also several simple branching hierarchy 
> flow chart plugins.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:41:22 UTC+2, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>> I have seen the plugins which allow tiddlers to represented graphically.  
>> I would like to see something lightweight which would simply allow the 
>> drawing of simple diagrams within a tiddler, something like the railroad 
>> diagram plugin, possibly using graphiviz syntax.  Has anyone done this?
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Matthew Lauber]

I'd be interested in that Mermaid plugin if you know where it is.  A quick 
search didn't turn up anything.

On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 7:01:21 PM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Sean
>
> Drawing what? What kind of diagrams do you need?
>
> There are several logical diagramming plugins. Maybe not so easy to find 
> all of them if you unfamiliar. I probably can find them if you need.
>
> I believe there is a well featured Mermaid plugin that does complex flow 
> diagrams & Gannt charts. There are also several simple branching hierarchy 
> flow chart plugins.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:41:22 UTC+2, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>> I have seen the plugins which allow tiddlers to represented graphically.  
>> I would like to see something lightweight which would simply allow the 
>> drawing of simple diagrams within a tiddler, something like the railroad 
>> diagram plugin, possibly using graphiviz syntax.  Has anyone done this?
>>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[TonyM]

Looks Good Thanks

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 9:42:28 PM UTC+10, Eneko Gotzon wrote:
>
> Hi Tony.
>
> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 2:28 AM, TonyM  > wrote:
>>
>> one tool I have used for years is freemind…
>>
>
> ​Freeplane  –a fork 
> of FreeMind– is under active​ development and very well served.
>
> Wikipedia says that the latest stable release of:
>
>- FreeMind (1.0.1) was in September 12, 2014.
>- Freeplane (1.5.20) was in April 20, 2017. There is also a preview of 
>the 1.6.12 version released in February 27, 2017.
>
> ​More information:
>
>- Relationship between FreeMind​ and Freeplane 
>.
>- Freeplane features you were missing in FreeMind 
>
> 
>.
>
> ​I'm a happy & grateful user of Freeplane.​
> -- 
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> eneko...@gmail.com 
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Eneko Gotzon]

Hi Tony.

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 2:28 AM, TonyM  wrote:
>
> one tool I have used for years is freemind…
>

​Freeplane  –a fork of
FreeMind– is under active​ development and very well served.

Wikipedia says that the latest stable release of:

   - FreeMind (1.0.1) was in September 12, 2014.
   - Freeplane (1.5.20) was in April 20, 2017. There is also a preview of
   the 1.6.12 version released in February 27, 2017.

​More information:

   - Relationship between FreeMind​ and Freeplane
   .
   - Freeplane features you were missing in FreeMind
   

   .

​I'm a happy & grateful user of Freeplane.​
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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[TonyM]

Sean,

Perhaps there is a gap in my understanding but I always assumed that apps 
written in java script may be adapted to work in or with tiddlywiki, one 
tool I have used for years is freemind which although 11MB in a JAR file 
would work well with tiddlywiki. Even just import and export may be 
possible. http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Also much simpler I have started using the stylesheet only family 
http://familytree.tiddlyspot.com/  which creates hierarchical diagrams from 
bullet lists. This may even provide a way to achive what you need.

Regards
Tony


On Saturday, 15 July 2017 08:41:22 UTC+10, Sean Boyle wrote:
>
> I have seen the plugins which allow tiddlers to represented graphically.  
> I would like to see something lightweight which would simply allow the 
> drawing of simple diagrams within a tiddler, something like the railroad 
> diagram plugin, possibly using graphiviz syntax.  Has anyone done this?
>

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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Thomas Elmiger]

We have this: http://tiddlywiki.com/#Railroad%20Diagrams – maybe you want 
to use the Railroad plugin. 

Am Samstag, 15. Juli 2017 00:41:22 UTC+2 schrieb Sean Boyle:
>
> something like the railroad diagram plugin
>

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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

For more complex conceptual thinking you should look at TiddlyMap 
which is very rich, stable & proven, & wholly 
dedicated to concept mapping.

On Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:41:22 UTC+2, Sean Boyle wrote:
>
> I have seen the plugins which allow tiddlers to represented graphically.  
> I would like to see something lightweight which would simply allow the 
> drawing of simple diagrams within a tiddler, something like the railroad 
> diagram plugin, possibly using graphiviz syntax.  Has anyone done this?
>

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[tw] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

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Ciao Sean

Drawing what? What kind of diagrams do you need?

There are several logical diagramming plugins. Maybe not so easy to find 
all of them if you unfamiliar. I probably can find them if you need.

I believe there is a well featured Mermaid plugin that does complex flow 
diagrams & Gannt charts. There are also several simple branching hierarchy 
flow chart plugins.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:41:22 UTC+2, Sean Boyle wrote:
>
> I have seen the plugins which allow tiddlers to represented graphically.  
> I would like to see something lightweight which would simply allow the 
> drawing of simple diagrams within a tiddler, something like the railroad 
> diagram plugin, possibly using graphiviz syntax.  Has anyone done this?
>

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