[tw] Re: TW5 to present PhD thesis

[Eric Shulman]

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 7:00:52 AM UTC-8, Joshua wrote:
>
> ... show off the capabilities of TW5 would be to take a classic text ... 
> Maybe something by Shakespeare...
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 to present PhD thesis

[Philipp G]

Dear David, dear Joshua,
 
thanks for your responses. So far so good.
 
My timescales are actually quite decent. I need to have this done in 1.5 
years from now. I am thus able to wait for TW5 to come out of beta before 
filling the wiki with content.
 
However, I will have to have produced a major report in 4 months time and 
was considering doing this is TW as well. I would be able to copy parts of 
that into a final TW. Not sure whether or not to start doing this in the 
beta version.
 
The reason I am thinking about this now is that the writing style will have 
to be very different. In the linear format we know what someone has read 
before coming to a certain section; this has of course implications for the 
way information is presented. I am trying to get my hand on writing syle 
guides/advice/etc. for this sort of wiki writing. Any ideas?
 
I will also have to think about how to use tiddlers (sections and 
sub-sections or more fragmented parts of text/paragraphs?). Is there any 
guidance in the community about what delmits a tiddler? 
Paragraphs are usually delimited by being distinct ideas and I  like, for 
example, how medium  allows you to 
comment on paragraphs/ideas. However, Tiddlers always have titles and not 
every paragraph deserves a title. So I think it will be some sort of half 
way solution between actual sections and paragraphs... I will have to see 
how this plays out in terms of readablitiy in the linear display of the 
argument.
 
Regarding printing, is there a way to print an entire TW in a linear format 
without the formatting of the wiki and as a rather normal linear 
presentation instead?
 
I know that these are somehow weird question (considering that TW is a tool 
that really tries to get away from some of this) but for this purpose are 
just quite necessary. I need to walk a thin line between traditional 
methods (and their advantages and disadvantages) and hyperlinked methods 
(and their advantages and disadvantages).
 
The response I got to confronting people with this 
TWis that simply pointing out that hyperlinked 
text/learning is the way to go 
nowadays is not enough so I will have to make rather strong case for this 
being a good thing to do. 
 
Thanks for you help.
Best wishes,
Philipp
 
 
 

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:00:52 PM UTC, Joshua wrote:

> I have not heard of such an implementation using TW5. I have been thinking 
> for a while that one way to show off the capabilities of TW5 would be to 
> take a classic text of some sort and create scripts that could import the 
> text into TiddlyWiki5. Classic texts would work well because there are 
> plenty of marked up versions on the Web and tagging/linking could be used 
> in TW5 to enrich a flat text. Maybe something by Shakespeare, or the 
> Odyssey, or the whole Bible for a very linkable text. I don't have the text 
> processing expertise or TW5 knowledge but I might be able to look at it 
> when summer arrives, which I'm sure is too late for you Philipp :-(.
>
> Joshua
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 3:10:24 AM UTC-6, Philipp G wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have been reading the conversations on this forum with great interest.
>>
>> I have considered using TiddlyWiki for all sorts of things over the last 
>> 3 years since I saw someone using it in a presentation instead of ppt. 
>> However, I have never actually used it for a project.
>>
>> Now, I am determined to use it for my dissertation. Not to gather my 
>> notes, sources, etc. but actually presenting my thesis in a html file 
>> rather than printing and binding a script. The main reason is that I would 
>> like someone to read the argument as I structured it AND to be able to 
>> explore the topic of my PhD in the order they find makes most sense. 
>> I thought I could arrange tiddlers (like sections in a thesis) in a 
>> linear form but ALSO use hyperlinks, tags, different indexes etc, for 
>> people to find their way around the information themselves.
>>
>> I started the process of getting my supervisors and the University to see 
>> the benefits of this idea and hope that they will agree for me to be able 
>> to do this. The current problem I face is that they struggle to get their 
>> head around how this would look in the end. 
>> Would anyone be able to suggest TWs that can illustrate what I am trying 
>> to do? Is anyone aware of this having been done before? Are there any good 
>> examples of TW in use that I could show to other people so they get an idea 
>> about how this will look in the end?
>>
>> Has TW been used as a replacement for documents of 150 pages and is it 
>> stable?
>> When do you think TW5 will leave beta?
>>
>> Anything that you think could help me to illustrate the power of TW 
>> compared to linear presentations in word files would be beneficial as well.
>>
>> Thanks a lot in advance. 
>> Best wishes,
>> Philipp
>>
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 to present PhD thesis

[Joshua]

I have not heard of such an implementation using TW5. I have been thinking 
for a while that one way to show off the capabilities of TW5 would be to 
take a classic text of some sort and create scripts that could import the 
text into TiddlyWiki5. Classic texts would work well because there are 
plenty of marked up versions on the Web and tagging/linking could be used 
in TW5 to enrich a flat text. Maybe something by Shakespeare, or the 
Odyssey, or the whole Bible for a very linkable text. I don't have the text 
processing expertise or TW5 knowledge but I might be able to look at it 
when summer arrives, which I'm sure is too late for you Philipp :-(.

Joshua

On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 3:10:24 AM UTC-6, Philipp G wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have been reading the conversations on this forum with great interest.
>
> I have considered using TiddlyWiki for all sorts of things over the last 3 
> years since I saw someone using it in a presentation instead of ppt. 
> However, I have never actually used it for a project.
>
> Now, I am determined to use it for my dissertation. Not to gather my 
> notes, sources, etc. but actually presenting my thesis in a html file 
> rather than printing and binding a script. The main reason is that I would 
> like someone to read the argument as I structured it AND to be able to 
> explore the topic of my PhD in the order they find makes most sense. 
> I thought I could arrange tiddlers (like sections in a thesis) in a linear 
> form but ALSO use hyperlinks, tags, different indexes etc, for people to 
> find their way around the information themselves.
>
> I started the process of getting my supervisors and the University to see 
> the benefits of this idea and hope that they will agree for me to be able 
> to do this. The current problem I face is that they struggle to get their 
> head around how this would look in the end. 
> Would anyone be able to suggest TWs that can illustrate what I am trying 
> to do? Is anyone aware of this having been done before? Are there any good 
> examples of TW in use that I could show to other people so they get an idea 
> about how this will look in the end?
>
> Has TW been used as a replacement for documents of 150 pages and is it 
> stable?
> When do you think TW5 will leave beta?
>
> Anything that you think could help me to illustrate the power of TW 
> compared to linear presentations in word files would be beneficial as well.
>
> Thanks a lot in advance. 
> Best wishes,
> Philipp
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 to present PhD thesis

[David Gifford]

150 pages of text is a piece of cake for TW5 file size to handle. I have 
used it to hold 100+MB of large images and it starts to run slow after 
about 50MB of large images, but that is because of loading the images, in 
part, not necessarily the filesize. I have personal TW5s with thousands of 
tiddlers and the only thing I see slowing down a bit is the tag editor, 
since I have lots and lots of tags, and it has to render them as tag pills. 
Even so it is not too slow.

Here are a couple of TW5s you could use as examples:

http://giffmex.org/TiddlyQuickly.html - I use TW5 as a presentation with 
back and forward arrows.

http://giffmex.org/giffmexnotes.htm - where I am starting to organize some 
of my notes. This one doesn't help you get back to home, though. I should 
put some kind of home button there, I guess.

Dave

On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 4:10:24 AM UTC-5, Philipp G wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have been reading the conversations on this forum with great interest.
>
> I have considered using TiddlyWiki for all sorts of things over the last 3 
> years since I saw someone using it in a presentation instead of ppt. 
> However, I have never actually used it for a project.
>
> Now, I am determined to use it for my dissertation. Not to gather my 
> notes, sources, etc. but actually presenting my thesis in a html file 
> rather than printing and binding a script. The main reason is that I would 
> like someone to read the argument as I structured it AND to be able to 
> explore the topic of my PhD in the order they find makes most sense. 
> I thought I could arrange tiddlers (like sections in a thesis) in a linear 
> form but ALSO use hyperlinks, tags, different indexes etc, for people to 
> find their way around the information themselves.
>
> I started the process of getting my supervisors and the University to see 
> the benefits of this idea and hope that they will agree for me to be able 
> to do this. The current problem I face is that they struggle to get their 
> head around how this would look in the end. 
> Would anyone be able to suggest TWs that can illustrate what I am trying 
> to do? Is anyone aware of this having been done before? Are there any good 
> examples of TW in use that I could show to other people so they get an idea 
> about how this will look in the end?
>
> Has TW been used as a replacement for documents of 150 pages and is it 
> stable?
> When do you think TW5 will leave beta?
>
> Anything that you think could help me to illustrate the power of TW 
> compared to linear presentations in word files would be beneficial as well.
>
> Thanks a lot in advance. 
> Best wishes,
> Philipp
>

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