[tw] Re: The community space
On Oct 23, 11:26 pm, Tobias Beer wrote: > 2) I like the way you've discovered how to split up things ...and - > although the current "comunity" space today is far from being usable - But I think, the communitydev space is quit usable allready for the community contributors. But there are not many at the moment :) Hey folks jump in http://communitydev.tiddlyspace.com/#Contact Important: comments is only available for members!! (at the moment) > this is clearly going in the right direction! I would even strip any > additional info and leave that in the TiddlyWorld space as a kind of > reminder of where the road might eventually lead to. +1 > 3) Topmost priority for me is to identify the most wanted community > features and list them in the communitydev space. I am not sure how > we're going to vote on these things... I implemented the tiddlyWebComments/comments plugin. For me an maias it works right well. I did one mini bug fix and some tweaking, that comments are excludeLists but the root tiddler is updated. So Activity stream works very well. > maybe for a lack of a better > alternative, let's just put our usrenames behind every proposition, > use google forms or micropoll.com and have people sign up for > voting... or simply use this group to discuss individual ideas... I > think we're really good at that. Anyways, having a list like that > surely would give an indication of what are the most desirable > features. see above > 4) As for community-supply... if anything, I think it really should > only contain the plugins being used by the community space, this is > wher€e components are being loaded into. +1. I think I removed the most redundant things allready. But needs to talk (skype) with matias. I think programmers have a different point of view here. > On the other hand, maybe we > really need a very basic 'admin-theme' space to be > included ...allowing us to create a public tiddler - like plugins - > without requiring the system-theme space(s). I think communitysupply allready is very minimal. A theme will be welcome, but is too early. Let's this discuss at the communitydev space. > 5) I think we would do good with a "community-sandbox". -1. I use communitydev space. If you need to test alpha plugins. Your own sandbox needs to be used. I think beta is fine for communitydev, but it shouldn't break it (for long :)) > Don't get me > wrong, I don't mean to clutter the spaces list with yet another... but > whenever some new feature or plugin is being explored in the community > context ...it should be tested in the sandbox ...which, of course, > (re-)includes the community space, whenever a new thing is being > tested ...everything still in test-mode should therefore be tagged > 'keep' or otherwise is prone to being deleted in an attempt to test, > well, something else. I think information tiddlers should be as fast as possible transfered to the community space. see above > 6) As for collaboration, you may have noticed the TypeWithMe > integration I have created ...now being available in the semantic > space. I really am not sure if this is very fruitful... so, what would > you think of this... does it make sense to use this as a > (complemantary) discussion/annotation tool? I like your improved typeWith.me "experiment". Let's have the comments in communitydev and typeWith.me in semantic space. As a new experiment and see what happens. > 7) Haven't gotten around making an updated version for the poup(macro) > space yet. This would be cool, since I think it would nicely fit for both community and communitydev. -mario -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: The community space
Oh, by the way... I think "community" is a very good name for this space it should remind everyone participating of #1 tenet of all efforts going into it ...to help the community to flourish. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: the Community space
> Also, in my opinion, a robust *technical* mechanism and strategy for > dealing with spammers is essential for TiddlySpace to achieve more > wide-spread acceptance and future success. In light of the *current* > 'unknown-ness' of TiddlySpace, it seems to me that *now* is the right > time to begin finding solutions, before the spam actually becomes a > problem in the first place. Spam and spammers have influenced the design of TiddlySpace in a couple of ways: - The basic content model of being able to write into your own space, but not having any "common" areas, means that spammers at least need to have an account, which gives us a choke point - The following mechanism pulls out the content that you're interested in, making it less likely that you'll see spam as an end user Philosophically, I'm interested in social measures more than anything. I quite like the idea of a TiddlySpace service that, like early Facebook, only makes accounts available to individuals with an accreditation to a trusted organisation. Cheers Jeremy -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jer...@osmosoft.com http://www.tiddlywiki.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: the Community space
On Oct 15, 3:46 am, Eric Shulman wrote: > I've been moderator for this group (and TiddlyWikiDev) since 2005... I had no idea. You (and others?) are doing a great job, to say the least. My humble thanks. > Also, in my opinion, a robust *technical* mechanism and strategy for > dealing with spammers is essential for TiddlySpace to achieve more I'm sure your're right. It is outside the scope of the community space of course (For now I'd be *happy* if there was a working forum there even if it was filled with spam ;-) Maybe you have any thoughts or opinions on a form built in TW for the community space? :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: the Community space
> Regarding spam, I think tiddlyspace is still so unknown that it should > be a minor problem. (Do we get spamming in here for example? This > google group is not moderated as far as I know, or? ) I've been moderator for this group (and TiddlyWikiDev) since 2005... ... and believe me, we *do* get spam! However, all messages from first-time posters are sent to me (and the other admins) for review and approval before being posted/sent to the rest of the group. In the past, there was a LOT of spam (sometimes dozens in a single day). Fortunately, Google has improved their filters, so they can block obvious spam without even sending it for approval, so there's much less spam for the moderators to deal with. Also, in my opinion, a robust *technical* mechanism and strategy for dealing with spammers is essential for TiddlySpace to achieve more wide-spread acceptance and future success. In light of the *current* 'unknown-ness' of TiddlySpace, it seems to me that *now* is the right time to begin finding solutions, before the spam actually becomes a problem in the first place. -e -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: the Community space
> As I wrote in the other post about tiddlyworld main menu. Please keep > the "tiddlyworld" space for the "real" content and move its existing > "dev/example" content into an other space. I think the name > tiddlyworld is much cooler than community or communityweb. (As replied in that other thread; I felt that particularly newbies get confused enough as it is with all them tiddlyshmiddlys (tiddlywiki, tiddler, tiddlyspace, tiddlyspot...). I wanted the name to be neutral particularly since the URL already contains the t word. Also, I kind of like the idea that the name refers to what it is and that it rides on an established term "the tiddlywiki community". ...but I do agree; tiddlyworld is a *cooler* name, but...!) One-stop-shop; you're of course right. The aim is not to omit the need for other spaces. The community site is intended to be one-stop in that you'll should be able to *find* those other spaces and places not least via references. 'Including' will likely be used a lot as well as standard links. iframing an external forum vs a TW build one; > The comments plugin works quite well with tiddlyspace. It could be > used. But there is the disadvantage of easy spamming, because everyone > needs to have write access to the groups space. > If you reply to a topic at the moment, you write to your own space and > the "descussion" software "collects" the topics. If you produce spam, > then you only spam your own account. For the others disabling a > spammer is easy. Delete the follow tag, or delete the spammersName > tiddler. Done Would that construction be viable for the community site? Regarding spam, I think tiddlyspace is still so unknown that it should be a minor problem. (Do we get spamming in here for example? This google group is not moderated as far as I know, or? ) (I must cut my reply here to go to bed, but figured I should reply quickly to your initial questions here at least.) Great input!!! :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: the Community space
OUCH - I really wish there was an edit option here; It is supposed to read http://communitydev.tiddlyspace.com communityDEV (not communityweb) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: the Community space
On Oct 14, 11:05 pm, twgrp wrote: > Formerly known under a different name, the Community space is > unfolding. We now have; > > http://community.tiddlyspace.com > - intended to be "more or less a one-stop-shop" community portal > andhttp://communityweb.tiddlyspace.com > - for development issues concerning the community portal As I wrote in the other post about tiddlyworld main menu. Please keep the "tiddlyworld" space for the "real" content and move its existing "dev/example" content into an other space. I think the name tiddlyworld is much cooler than community or communityweb. > > > Would it fulfill its purpose as more or less a one-stop-shop community > > > site? one-stop-shop ... nice. But it doesn't mean, that every content has to be written inside tiddlyworlds space. Including works very well allready. I am pretty sure, that there will be some possibilities to filter tiddlers from other spaces and include them, in the future. I personally want to use my own layout, because I like it. But on the other hand I may like some content, that is published on other spaces. So I include them and display them with attribution to the author. My visitors, get my point of view. > > If it were designed for that purpose, it might. Not to be nitpicking, > > but the menu as it is now does not give that impression. > > Hm, what do you suggest to change? I do agree the graphics are > amateurish, but menu content? I think the menues will evolve, when content evolves. At the moment, ther is a very well thought project description. That now needs to be turned into the desired content. > I can see benefit in iframing (as you suggest) .. I can't. I don't like it. > .. but for this very > google group that is established and that has archived posts. > Introducing a new forum software would lose out both on the TW linking > and the TW self containment and on the archive aspect. And the easy > customization. There are some tests going on, using TSpace as a forum. But I think, there is still a lot of work to do there. > But iframing this google group and perhaps some kind of "suggestion > with voting" thing as an intermediary solution (instead of static > images), sure! I don't like this. The comments plugin works quite well with tiddlyspace. It could be used. But there is the disadvantage of easy spamming, because everyone needs to have write access to the groups space. If you reply to a topic at the moment, you write to your own space and the "descussion" software "collects" the topics. If you produce spam, then you only spam your own account. For the others disabling a spammer is easy. Delete the follow tag, or delete the spammersName tiddler. Done > > Another way might be to have those notes or comments on content in > > TiddlyWorld work similar to the "Talks" section in my Space...(see > > "What everyone says right now..."). > > YEAH! Are the conversations imported or are they taking place in > your space? Does/can it have the same features as, say, this google > group? You mention a tScan macro to "fetch all comments" - from where? > Do you think you could add this to the community site? The problem here is, that at the moment, only topics are fetched, from spaces, that you follow. The following space has the macros that are needed. > > In order to make that work properly it would be > > good if there were global, user specific variables in tiddlyspace > > which would allow one to define ones own comments-space to be be used > > for taking notes and comments in TiddlyWorld and which could be used > > for creating the link that opens your space with a new, not existing > > tiddler, already given the proper name, maybe including the current > > contents of that page in a blockquote... just like the "reply" button > > does today. I made some tests. But they faild, because you need to follow someone to get the activity stream. And you have to use your home space to get all the activities. I like the name groupie for a space that follows everyone :) > Yes! Do I understand you right in that this is a request that must be > made to the tiddlyspace dev team? Or would it be a separate plugin > thing? Regardless... it is beyond me. <> macro and it's sisters and brothers from http://following.tiddlyspace.com > > On the other hand... notes or even a forum using TypeWith.Me seem a > > really appealing and painless variant. I have installed typeWith.me at my teamwork experiment. http://hoster.peermore.com/recipes/TeamWork/tiddlers.wiki#2010.05.04%4013%3A30%3A27 It wasn't great success. But it is painless, and I also found a possibility to have group only or even private access. > It even looks TW'ish. However, it seems to address something totally > different, i.e "live text collaboration". I'm not sure how that is > relevenat - or am I just not imaginative enough? When would that type > of live collaboration be relevant? And are you saying it should be > instead of a forum? I don't understand. I think, it can
