[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

Hans Wobbe wrote:
>
> Thank you, Mat.  That is indeed what I was looking for.
>

Great. Otherwise I just realized that it might have been this one which has 
similarities: http://varsfields.tiddlyspot.com/ 

I think I can make good use of this in a couple of my Contexts.  If that 
> works out, I will post back to share the ideas.
>

Excellent, keep on sharing.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Hans Wobbe]

Thank you, Mat.  That is indeed what I was looking for.

I think I can make good use of this in a couple of my Contexts.  If that 
works out, I will post back to share the ideas.

<:)


On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 6:25:05 AM UTC-4 Mat wrote:

> Hans, happy to hear you have use of my gizmos.
>
 

> ...
>
 

> I'd guess you're referring to http://configsfields.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

Hans, happy to hear you have use of my gizmos.

I recently stumbled onto another macro on one of your web sites.  I was 
> pleased at the time, but got distracted before I could really investigate 
> it or even properly bookmark it.  At this time, all I remember is that it 
> was related to VARs and that it created another set of fields, above the 
> "text" field.  I have tried searching and failed.  A Hint or link would be 
> appreciated.
>

I'd guess you're referring to http://configsfields.tiddlyspot.com/

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Hans Wobbe]

Mat:

I've been making a lot of use of your Fiels2Table macro, so I thought I 
should really take to moment to express my appreciation for this and the 
your many other contributions to the Community.  Note only am I an 
appreciative User but, better yet, I've also learned from reviewing your 
techniques.

I recently stumbled onto another macro on one of your web sites.  I was 
pleased at the time, but got distracted before I could really investigate 
it or even properly bookmark it.  At this time, all I remember is that it 
was related to VARs and that it created another set of fields, above the 
"text" field.  I have tried searching and failed.  A Hint or link would be 
appreciated.

Regards,
Hans


On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 10:25:12 AM UTC-4 Mat wrote:

> The chief tiddleur of TWaddle Imperial proudly presents...
> ...an oh' so elegantly titled little macro:
>
> fields2table 
>
> This is a smallish macro to create a table, based on filtered tiddlers 
> field values.
> It is particularly simple to specify what fields to show in the table 
> and to manually edit the values.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Mon cher Mat Leur,

Très élégant!

Bonjour
Joseur

Mat wrote:
>
> The chief tiddleur of TWaddle Imperial proudly presents...
> ...an oh' so elegantly titled little macro:
>
> fields2table 
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[HC Haase]

>
>
> of course.. That is a simple solution. But is this best controlled in the 
> style sheet?  I have made this modification but in the 
> $:/_TWaddle/fields2table 
> tiddler, not the stylsheed. Is this bad practice?? 
>
> anyway I have made one edition with the link icon from TW as the link. 
> This however looks a bit big to me so I also made an edition with an arrow 
> as the link. however I dont understand why the first row display the title 
> as a link, but the rest is not.
>
> hmm... I see a weakness in this modification now. If you have a table with 
few columns, say 2, then you get a very wide left column only containing an 
arrow... but who has small tables anyway 

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[HC Haase]

@Mat 

> Another idea would be to, in the list field, just write "genre title". 
> That gives you an extra title column (but the title is not a link.. and 
> note that you must not edit the title there as it changes its identity!). 
> Then, tweak the stylesheet to change the original (leftmost) title-links to 
> instead appear as some small link icon to the book. 
>

of course.. That is a simple solution. But is this best controlled in the 
style sheet?  I have made this modification but in the $:/_TWaddle/fields2table 
tiddler, not the stylsheed. Is this bad practice?? 

anyway I have made one edition with the link icon from TW as the link. This 
however looks a bit big to me so I also made an edition with an arrow as 
the link. however I dont understand why the first row display the title as 
a link, but the rest is not.

@ TonyM

torsdag den 20. juni 2019 kl. 16.09.43 UTC+2 skrev TonyM:
>
> Are we only talking about the order of the columns/fields in the table?
>
> If so I already have a simple solution. I have done it before. So just 
> ask. If not, if I am missing something ignore this offer.
>
> Tony
>

If you have some elegant solution please share :) 

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Description: application/json


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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[TonyM]

Are we only talking about the order of the columns/fields in the table?

If so I already have a simple solution. I have done it before. So just ask. If 
not, if I am missing something ignore this offer.

Tony

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

HC Haase wrote:
>
>
> Here is a fancy text snippet for fields2table with some counting stuff.
>

I'll look into it, hopefully over the weekend. 


Feature request:
>  
>  * It is nice that you can change the order of the fields just by 
> rearranging the field names. It would be superb if the first column could 
> also be moved at will in this manner. My use case is my reading list. It 
> has tittlers with title:bookTitle and genre:TheGenre. I would like to have 
> the genre in the first collumn in a table of books (genre has no tiddler).
>

I can think of a few ways to do this. I mean, it is easy to do it if one 
accepts a lot more complexity to the code but one idea I have is mostly CSS 
based. At least if you don't demand links for the categories. In short, 
you'd prefix every title link with the genre by means of css (use :before 
{content:"$(category)$"} ). To avoid showing this before every single item 
but instead only when the (category sorted) list goes from one category to 
the next, you can hide all but the first element (basically 
first-of-type(:not) display:none ...I forget the exact syntax). 

Another idea would be to, in the list field, just write "genre title". 
That gives you an extra title column (but the title is not a link.. and 
note that you must not edit the title there as it changes its identity!). 
Then, tweak the stylesheet to change the original (leftmost) title-links to 
instead appear as some small link icon to the book. 

As I said, you can do it "for real" if you accept a more complexity in the 
actual code.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[HC Haase]

This is very nice. simple and fast and easy. I have to see what to use it 
for now!

Here is a fancy text snippet for fields2table with some counting stuff.


Feature request:
 
 * It is nice that you can change the order of the fields just by 
rearranging the field names. It would be superb if the first column could 
also be moved at will in this manner. My use case is my reading list. It 
has tittlers with title:bookTitle and genre:TheGenre. I would like to have 
the genre in the first collumn in a table of books (genre has no tiddler).

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

bimlas wrote:
>
> Before that I used Dynamic Tables, which is very similar to your plugin, 
> but yours is a bit faster.
>

The name says it; His is much more dynamic and powerful :-) I think it is a 
matter of what it is you need control over.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

Muhammad (and Tony), yes do go ahead and make it work for datatiddlers. I 
don't think it should be difficult.

Tony, about field types and therefore adapting the type of editor: One 
super simple step might be to, in the current macro, merely exchange the 
EditTextWidget instances for EditWidget instances. I just never use the 
latter even if it is more general, possibly because of the limited 
parameter options. 

For manual control of field type, per column or even per cell, one could 
imagine a small dropdown button to the right in each column header in edit 
mode where a field type is set.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[bimlas]

Mat,

Before that I used Dynamic Tables, which is very similar to your plugin, 
but yours is a bit faster. You might have to talk to Jed to create The One 
and Only Table Plugin. :D

https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/DynamicTables/

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mohammad]

Great job!
Creating table in wiki text when table has many entries is always a tedious 
task!
This work simplifies the task.

I think it may simply extended to cover data-tiddlers

Thank you
Mohammad

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 6:55:12 PM UTC+4:30, Mat wrote:
>
> The chief tiddleur of TWaddle Imperial proudly presents...
> ...an oh' so elegantly titled little macro:
>
> fields2table 
>
> This is a smallish macro to create a table, based on filtered tiddlers 
> field values.
> It is particularly simple to specify what fields to show in the table 
> and to manually edit the values.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[TonyM]

Mat,

While fields2table is fresh in your mind, perhaps you could build a 
data2table that does the same for key value pairs in a data tiddler?

With the fields issue, I have also identified there will always be more 
fields than there are field types, in fields2table you are using the same 
field type of text for every field. But we could have say a data field type 
that we assign to one or more date fields.

Thus to handle fields well we need to provide a set of field types which 
can be assigned to one or more fields when they are defined. Field type 
will define how to view or edit fields with that type.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:24:17 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Mat,
>>
>> Nice share. I have build something similar but more complex, I like this 
>> straightforward solution.
>>
>> I note that if we add 
>> <> 
>> next to your demo table we can change the order of items with the tag 
>> pill.
>>
>
> Yes, that should work if the table is in the demo tiddler where the list 
> field is.
>
>
>
>>- If we had an equivalent to the tag macro that operated like a tag 
>>pill but to control the order of a named field (list by default) it would 
>>be very helpful
>>
>> Yes, that is a very nice idea. I find the DnD mechanism in TW tricky to 
> work with so if we had a ready made macro to apply it to any field, that'd 
> be useful. An even neater idea would be if the items in the 
> to-be-manipulated field could be arbitrary. Instead of a string in a list, 
> it could be whatever is between two markers like a div with a certain class 
> or ID or so. Instead of <> it'd be <> where foo is the 
> identifying mark for all the segments. In contrast to <>, I'm not sure 
> if that construct should display show something beyond the items being 
> DnD'able. 
>
>  
>
>> In my grander designs I am working to define fields such that they are 
>> handled differently according to read-only, view, edit and update modes for 
>> the whole wiki or individual tiddler.
>>
>
> Yes, I think we both feel that fields are still way under-exploited. 
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

TonyM wrote:
>
> Mat,
>
> Nice share. I have build something similar but more complex, I like this 
> straightforward solution.
>
> I note that if we add 
> <> 
> next to your demo table we can change the order of items with the tag pill.
>

Yes, that should work if the table is in the demo tiddler where the list 
field is.



>- If we had an equivalent to the tag macro that operated like a tag 
>pill but to control the order of a named field (list by default) it would 
>be very helpful
>
> Yes, that is a very nice idea. I find the DnD mechanism in TW tricky to 
work with so if we had a ready made macro to apply it to any field, that'd 
be useful. An even neater idea would be if the items in the 
to-be-manipulated field could be arbitrary. Instead of a string in a list, 
it could be whatever is between two markers like a div with a certain class 
or ID or so. Instead of <> it'd be <> where foo is the 
identifying mark for all the segments. In contrast to <>, I'm not sure 
if that construct should display show something beyond the items being 
DnD'able. 

 

> In my grander designs I am working to define fields such that they are 
> handled differently according to read-only, view, edit and update modes for 
> the whole wiki or individual tiddler.
>

Yes, I think we both feel that fields are still way under-exploited. 

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[TonyM]

Mat,

Nice share. I have build something similar but more complex, I like this 
straightforward solution.

I note that if we add 
<> 
next to your demo table we can change the order of items with the tag pill.

I have done similar presenting a drag and drop to change column order as 
well, which is simply reordering the list field. This has made me think

   - If we had an equivalent to the tag macro that operated like a tag pill 
   but to control the order of a named field (list by default) it would be 
   very helpful

In my grander designs I am working to define fields such that they are 
handled differently according to read-only, view, edit and update modes for 
the whole wiki or individual tiddler.

Thanks
Tony




On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 12:25:12 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> The chief tiddleur of TWaddle Imperial proudly presents...
> ...an oh' so elegantly titled little macro:
>
> fields2table 
>
> This is a smallish macro to create a table, based on filtered tiddlers 
> field values.
> It is particularly simple to specify what fields to show in the table 
> and to manually edit the values.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Ste Wilson]

Ooohhh.. That's cool.. 
This might be the thing for a materials database... Hmmm

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

Watt wrote:
>
> Working! Thanks very much Mat, it's very useful!


Good to hear.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Watt]

Working! Thanks very much Mat, it's very useful!

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

@Watt

OK, now please test again, if you'd be so kind.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

Watt - darn, wait with the testing.

>
<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

K500 and David, thanks for your kind words!

Watt, thanks for reporting. Could you please try it now again. (I have 
changed the action/uncheckactions arguments.)

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Watt]

Thanks for this Mat, 
Got a problem on edit though. I'm losing the contents of my list field after 
clicking on the edit pen (top left on the table), then clicking it again to 
save.

Field names look correct and I get the same result on your demo site.

I used <> in a tiddler with a list field containing 
'event url' and another tiddler with fields event and url, populated.

The table appears fine but clicking the edit pen twice empties the list field 
for me.

Anybody else with the same experience?

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[David Gifford]

Great! Added to the Tables, charts and graphs section of the Toolmap - 
https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 9:25:12 AM UTC-5, Mat wrote:
>
> The chief tiddleur of TWaddle Imperial proudly presents...
> ...an oh' so elegantly titled little macro:
>
> fields2table 
>
> This is a smallish macro to create a table, based on filtered tiddlers 
> field values.
> It is particularly simple to specify what fields to show in the table 
> and to manually edit the values.
>
> <:-)
>

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