Re: [tw] [TW5] Strange behaviour of tag pills in 3 column mode in 5.0.8-beta

[Tobias Beer]

Much belated,

You can now use the widget tobibeer/appear 
 as announced here 

to remedy the problem of cut-off popup contents 
.

Best wishes,

Tobias. 

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Strange behaviour of tag pills in 3 column mode in 5.0.8-beta

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

Just to inform you; although it doesn't help ;-)

The good news is that with v5.0.10-beta the tag pills are clickable again 
with webkit based browsers.

The bad news is that Opera and Chrome now behave more or less like Internet 
Explorer: when clicked the windows are misformed (and sometimes displaced 
and/or 'splitted' displayed).

Tested with:
Windows 7 64-bit
Chrome v34.0.1847.131
Opera (portable) v12.17
Internet Explorer v11.0.9600.17041

N.B. Firefox v29.0 works OK.

Cheers,

Ton

On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:37:43 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Ton

 I don't have anything else to report. As I said above, the 5.0.7 and 5.0.8 
 versions produce identical HTML which makes it very hard to deduce what is 
 going on. I rather ran out of ideas, I'm afraid. The problem only manifests 
 itself on WebKit; Firefox is OK, and Internet Explorer 11 is OK (but 
 suffers a different problem; see below).

 I'd welcome any help with tracking the problem down.

 Sorry not to be more helpful,

 Best wishes

 Jeremy


 [image: Inline image 1]




 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:18 AM, Ton Gerner ton.g...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Hi Jeremy,

 Just curious if you found anything about this strange web-kit behaviour 
 and 5.0.8-beta.

 Cheers,

 Ton


 On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:30:32 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Very odd. Both versions are actually producing identical markup for the 
 tiddler in question. We must be somehow tickling a bug in Chrome, I guess. 
 I'll investigate further,

 Best wishes

 Jeremy



 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Ton Gerner ton.g...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jeremy,

 Yes I have a 5.0.7 version: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.
 com/u/2638511/TW5_toolbar_v4.6.html

 Cheers,

 Ton



 On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:00:07 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Ton

 That's very interesting. Do you have a 5.0.7 version of tw5toolbar for 
 comparison?

 Many thanks,

 Jeremy



 On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Ton Gerner ton.g...@gmail.com wrote:

 At http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ I use a 'List tags' button that 
 opens a tiddler that contains:

 ---

 @@.threecolumns
 div

 {{$:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags}}

 /div
 @@

 A style sheet contains:

 /* DISPLAY IN 3 COLUMNS */
 /* for List all tags */ 
 .threecolumns {
  display: block;
  column-count: 3;
  -moz-column-count: 3; 
  -webkit-column-count: 3;
 }

 With TW5.0.8-beta this works in Firefox v27, but not (anymore) in 
 Chrome v33 (all in Windows 7 64-bit).
 It still does work in TW5.0.7-beta and Chrome v33.

 One of the changes in TW5.0.8-beta is the addition of the 'Tag 
 manager'.
 Leaving that button out (copying only part of the code of 
 $:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags in a tiddler) did not help.

 The strange thing is that the 'untagged' tag pill works as expected, 
 the other tag pills don't. It looks like the clickable area for the 
 tag 
 pills has been shifted outside the tag pills:

 Just above $/tags/PageTemplate (at the left side of the button) you 
 can click and $:/tags/ViewToolbar opens!
 Just above $/tags/PageControls (at the left side of the button) you 
 can click and $:/tags/ViewTemplate opens!
 Just above $/tags/stylesheet (at the left side of the button) you can 
 click and Documentation opens!
 Just below $:/tags/AdvancedSearch (at the left side of the button) 
 you can click and $/tags/stylesheet opens!

 Internet Explorer v11 works normal, Opera 12 shows only 2 colums, 
 misses the last tag pills but the tag pills can be clicked.

 For the time being I will skip the 3 column mode but I am curious 
 what happens: strange behaviour of TW5.0.8-beta, Chrome, or the 
 combination 
 of TW and Chrome?

 Any idea?

 Cheers,

 Ton

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Strange behaviour of tag pills in 3 column mode in 5.0.8-beta

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

Just curious if you found anything about this strange web-kit behaviour and 
5.0.8-beta.

Cheers,

Ton

On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:30:32 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Very odd. Both versions are actually producing identical markup for the 
 tiddler in question. We must be somehow tickling a bug in Chrome, I guess. 
 I'll investigate further,

 Best wishes

 Jeremy



 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Ton Gerner ton.g...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Hi Jeremy,

 Yes I have a 5.0.7 version: 
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2638511/TW5_toolbar_v4.6.html

 Cheers,

 Ton



 On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:00:07 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Ton

 That's very interesting. Do you have a 5.0.7 version of tw5toolbar for 
 comparison?

 Many thanks,

 Jeremy



 On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Ton Gerner ton.g...@gmail.com wrote:

 At http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ I use a 'List tags' button that 
 opens a tiddler that contains:

 ---

 @@.threecolumns
 div

 {{$:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags}}

 /div
 @@

 A style sheet contains:

 /* DISPLAY IN 3 COLUMNS */
 /* for List all tags */ 
 .threecolumns {
  display: block;
  column-count: 3;
  -moz-column-count: 3; 
  -webkit-column-count: 3;
 }

 With TW5.0.8-beta this works in Firefox v27, but not (anymore) in 
 Chrome v33 (all in Windows 7 64-bit).
 It still does work in TW5.0.7-beta and Chrome v33.

 One of the changes in TW5.0.8-beta is the addition of the 'Tag manager'.
 Leaving that button out (copying only part of the code of 
 $:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags in a tiddler) did not help.

 The strange thing is that the 'untagged' tag pill works as expected, 
 the other tag pills don't. It looks like the clickable area for the tag 
 pills has been shifted outside the tag pills:

 Just above $/tags/PageTemplate (at the left side of the button) you can 
 click and $:/tags/ViewToolbar opens!
 Just above $/tags/PageControls (at the left side of the button) you can 
 click and $:/tags/ViewTemplate opens!
 Just above $/tags/stylesheet (at the left side of the button) you can 
 click and Documentation opens!
 Just below $:/tags/AdvancedSearch (at the left side of the button) you 
 can click and $/tags/stylesheet opens!

 Internet Explorer v11 works normal, Opera 12 shows only 2 colums, 
 misses the last tag pills but the tag pills can be clicked.

 For the time being I will skip the 3 column mode but I am curious what 
 happens: strange behaviour of TW5.0.8-beta, Chrome, or the combination of 
 TW and Chrome?

 Any idea?

 Cheers,

 Ton

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Strange behaviour of tag pills in 3 column mode in 5.0.8-beta

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

OK, I was just curious. We have to live with it for the time being ;-)
I am afraid I can only help with testing (as I did).

Cheers,

Ton


On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:37:43 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Ton

 I don't have anything else to report. As I said above, the 5.0.7 and 5.0.8 
 versions produce identical HTML which makes it very hard to deduce what is 
 going on. I rather ran out of ideas, I'm afraid. The problem only manifests 
 itself on WebKit; Firefox is OK, and Internet Explorer 11 is OK (but 
 suffers a different problem; see below).

 I'd welcome any help with tracking the problem down.

 Sorry not to be more helpful,

 Best wishes

 Jeremy


 [image: Inline image 1]




 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:18 AM, Ton Gerner ton.g...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Hi Jeremy,

 Just curious if you found anything about this strange web-kit behaviour 
 and 5.0.8-beta.

 Cheers,

 Ton


 On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:30:32 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Very odd. Both versions are actually producing identical markup for the 
 tiddler in question. We must be somehow tickling a bug in Chrome, I guess. 
 I'll investigate further,

 Best wishes

 Jeremy



 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Ton Gerner ton.g...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jeremy,

 Yes I have a 5.0.7 version: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.
 com/u/2638511/TW5_toolbar_v4.6.html

 Cheers,

 Ton



 On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:00:07 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Ton

 That's very interesting. Do you have a 5.0.7 version of tw5toolbar for 
 comparison?

 Many thanks,

 Jeremy



 On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Ton Gerner ton.g...@gmail.com wrote:

 At http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ I use a 'List tags' button that 
 opens a tiddler that contains:

 ---

 @@.threecolumns
 div

 {{$:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags}}

 /div
 @@

 A style sheet contains:

 /* DISPLAY IN 3 COLUMNS */
 /* for List all tags */ 
 .threecolumns {
  display: block;
  column-count: 3;
  -moz-column-count: 3; 
  -webkit-column-count: 3;
 }

 With TW5.0.8-beta this works in Firefox v27, but not (anymore) in 
 Chrome v33 (all in Windows 7 64-bit).
 It still does work in TW5.0.7-beta and Chrome v33.

 One of the changes in TW5.0.8-beta is the addition of the 'Tag 
 manager'.
 Leaving that button out (copying only part of the code of 
 $:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags in a tiddler) did not help.

 The strange thing is that the 'untagged' tag pill works as expected, 
 the other tag pills don't. It looks like the clickable area for the 
 tag 
 pills has been shifted outside the tag pills:

 Just above $/tags/PageTemplate (at the left side of the button) you 
 can click and $:/tags/ViewToolbar opens!
 Just above $/tags/PageControls (at the left side of the button) you 
 can click and $:/tags/ViewTemplate opens!
 Just above $/tags/stylesheet (at the left side of the button) you can 
 click and Documentation opens!
 Just below $:/tags/AdvancedSearch (at the left side of the button) 
 you can click and $/tags/stylesheet opens!

 Internet Explorer v11 works normal, Opera 12 shows only 2 colums, 
 misses the last tag pills but the tag pills can be clicked.

 For the time being I will skip the 3 column mode but I am curious 
 what happens: strange behaviour of TW5.0.8-beta, Chrome, or the 
 combination 
 of TW and Chrome?

 Any idea?

 Cheers,

 Ton

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Strange behaviour of tag pills in 3 column mode in 5.0.8-beta

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

Although there are more important things, it is intriguing and I could not 
resist in digging a little bit deeper ;)

To investigate it further, I tested with different devices (PCs, iPad, 
Nexus 7) , OSes (Windows, Linux, iOS, Android), and browsers at my disposal.
For a complete 'test story' see [1] (Latest news  Problems with tag pills).

Summary of the results:

1) The problem started with TW5.0.8-beta; TW5.0.7-beta did behave in all 
cases as expected.
2) Webkit based browsers (Chrome, Opera, Safari) do show this strange 
behaviour in combination with TW5.0.8-beta.
3) Although the tag pills are 'clickable' with Internet Explorer, there is 
no 'normal' behaviour in combination with TW5.0.8-beta:
a) Dependent on the (place of) the clicked tag, going to 1 or 2 column 
mode
b) Dependent on the (place of) the tag clicked, the dropdown list is 
broken in 2 or 3 parts.

So TW5.0.8 affects all web-kit based browsers, but also Internet Explorer 
(although this seems a different problem).

Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Ton

[1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/

On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:30:32 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Very odd. Both versions are actually producing identical markup for the 
 tiddler in question. We must be somehow tickling a bug in Chrome, I guess. 
 I'll investigate further,

 Best wishes

 Jeremy



 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Ton Gerner ton.g...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Hi Jeremy,

 Yes I have a 5.0.7 version: 
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2638511/TW5_toolbar_v4.6.html

 Cheers,

 Ton



 On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:00:07 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Ton

 That's very interesting. Do you have a 5.0.7 version of tw5toolbar for 
 comparison?

 Many thanks,

 Jeremy



 On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Ton Gerner ton.g...@gmail.com wrote:

 At http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ I use a 'List tags' button that 
 opens a tiddler that contains:

 ---

 @@.threecolumns
 div

 {{$:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags}}

 /div
 @@

 A style sheet contains:

 /* DISPLAY IN 3 COLUMNS */
 /* for List all tags */ 
 .threecolumns {
  display: block;
  column-count: 3;
  -moz-column-count: 3; 
  -webkit-column-count: 3;
 }

 With TW5.0.8-beta this works in Firefox v27, but not (anymore) in 
 Chrome v33 (all in Windows 7 64-bit).
 It still does work in TW5.0.7-beta and Chrome v33.

 One of the changes in TW5.0.8-beta is the addition of the 'Tag manager'.
 Leaving that button out (copying only part of the code of 
 $:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags in a tiddler) did not help.

 The strange thing is that the 'untagged' tag pill works as expected, 
 the other tag pills don't. It looks like the clickable area for the tag 
 pills has been shifted outside the tag pills:

 Just above $/tags/PageTemplate (at the left side of the button) you can 
 click and $:/tags/ViewToolbar opens!
 Just above $/tags/PageControls (at the left side of the button) you can 
 click and $:/tags/ViewTemplate opens!
 Just above $/tags/stylesheet (at the left side of the button) you can 
 click and Documentation opens!
 Just below $:/tags/AdvancedSearch (at the left side of the button) you 
 can click and $/tags/stylesheet opens!

 Internet Explorer v11 works normal, Opera 12 shows only 2 colums, 
 misses the last tag pills but the tag pills can be clicked.

 For the time being I will skip the 3 column mode but I am curious what 
 happens: strange behaviour of TW5.0.8-beta, Chrome, or the combination of 
 TW and Chrome?

 Any idea?

 Cheers,

 Ton

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Strange behaviour of tag pills in 3 column mode in 5.0.8-beta

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Ton

That's very interesting. Do you have a 5.0.7 version of tw5toolbar for
comparison?

Many thanks,

Jeremy



On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Ton Gerner ton.ger...@gmail.com wrote:

 At http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ I use a 'List tags' button that
 opens a tiddler that contains:

 ---

 @@.threecolumns
 div

 {{$:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags}}

 /div
 @@

 A style sheet contains:

 /* DISPLAY IN 3 COLUMNS */
 /* for List all tags */
 .threecolumns {
  display: block;
  column-count: 3;
  -moz-column-count: 3;
  -webkit-column-count: 3;
 }

 With TW5.0.8-beta this works in Firefox v27, but not (anymore) in Chrome
 v33 (all in Windows 7 64-bit).
 It still does work in TW5.0.7-beta and Chrome v33.

 One of the changes in TW5.0.8-beta is the addition of the 'Tag manager'.
 Leaving that button out (copying only part of the code of
 $:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags in a tiddler) did not help.

 The strange thing is that the 'untagged' tag pill works as expected, the
 other tag pills don't. It looks like the clickable area for the tag pills
 has been shifted outside the tag pills:

 Just above $/tags/PageTemplate (at the left side of the button) you can
 click and $:/tags/ViewToolbar opens!
 Just above $/tags/PageControls (at the left side of the button) you can
 click and $:/tags/ViewTemplate opens!
 Just above $/tags/stylesheet (at the left side of the button) you can
 click and Documentation opens!
 Just below $:/tags/AdvancedSearch (at the left side of the button) you can
 click and $/tags/stylesheet opens!

 Internet Explorer v11 works normal, Opera 12 shows only 2 colums, misses
 the last tag pills but the tag pills can be clicked.

 For the time being I will skip the 3 column mode but I am curious what
 happens: strange behaviour of TW5.0.8-beta, Chrome, or the combination of
 TW and Chrome?

 Any idea?

 Cheers,

 Ton

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Strange behaviour of tag pills in 3 column mode in 5.0.8-beta

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

Yes I have a 5.0.7 version: 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2638511/TW5_toolbar_v4.6.html

Cheers,

Ton


On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:00:07 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Ton

 That's very interesting. Do you have a 5.0.7 version of tw5toolbar for 
 comparison?

 Many thanks,

 Jeremy



 On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Ton Gerner ton.g...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 At http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ I use a 'List tags' button that 
 opens a tiddler that contains:

 ---

 @@.threecolumns
 div

 {{$:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags}}

 /div
 @@

 A style sheet contains:

 /* DISPLAY IN 3 COLUMNS */
 /* for List all tags */ 
 .threecolumns {
  display: block;
  column-count: 3;
  -moz-column-count: 3; 
  -webkit-column-count: 3;
 }

 With TW5.0.8-beta this works in Firefox v27, but not (anymore) in Chrome 
 v33 (all in Windows 7 64-bit).
 It still does work in TW5.0.7-beta and Chrome v33.

 One of the changes in TW5.0.8-beta is the addition of the 'Tag manager'.
 Leaving that button out (copying only part of the code of 
 $:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags in a tiddler) did not help.

 The strange thing is that the 'untagged' tag pill works as expected, the 
 other tag pills don't. It looks like the clickable area for the tag pills 
 has been shifted outside the tag pills:

 Just above $/tags/PageTemplate (at the left side of the button) you can 
 click and $:/tags/ViewToolbar opens!
 Just above $/tags/PageControls (at the left side of the button) you can 
 click and $:/tags/ViewTemplate opens!
 Just above $/tags/stylesheet (at the left side of the button) you can 
 click and Documentation opens!
 Just below $:/tags/AdvancedSearch (at the left side of the button) you 
 can click and $/tags/stylesheet opens!

 Internet Explorer v11 works normal, Opera 12 shows only 2 colums, misses 
 the last tag pills but the tag pills can be clicked.

 For the time being I will skip the 3 column mode but I am curious what 
 happens: strange behaviour of TW5.0.8-beta, Chrome, or the combination of 
 TW and Chrome?

 Any idea?

 Cheers,

 Ton

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Strange behaviour of tag pills in 3 column mode in 5.0.8-beta

[Jeremy Ruston]

Very odd. Both versions are actually producing identical markup for the
tiddler in question. We must be somehow tickling a bug in Chrome, I guess.
I'll investigate further,

Best wishes

Jeremy



On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Ton Gerner ton.ger...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jeremy,

 Yes I have a 5.0.7 version:
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2638511/TW5_toolbar_v4.6.html

 Cheers,

 Ton



 On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:00:07 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Ton

 That's very interesting. Do you have a 5.0.7 version of tw5toolbar for
 comparison?

 Many thanks,

 Jeremy



 On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Ton Gerner ton.g...@gmail.com wrote:

 At http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ I use a 'List tags' button that
 opens a tiddler that contains:

 ---

 @@.threecolumns
 div

 {{$:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags}}

 /div
 @@

 A style sheet contains:

 /* DISPLAY IN 3 COLUMNS */
 /* for List all tags */
 .threecolumns {
  display: block;
  column-count: 3;
  -moz-column-count: 3;
  -webkit-column-count: 3;
 }

 With TW5.0.8-beta this works in Firefox v27, but not (anymore) in Chrome
 v33 (all in Windows 7 64-bit).
 It still does work in TW5.0.7-beta and Chrome v33.

 One of the changes in TW5.0.8-beta is the addition of the 'Tag manager'.
 Leaving that button out (copying only part of the code of
 $:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags in a tiddler) did not help.

 The strange thing is that the 'untagged' tag pill works as expected, the
 other tag pills don't. It looks like the clickable area for the tag pills
 has been shifted outside the tag pills:

 Just above $/tags/PageTemplate (at the left side of the button) you can
 click and $:/tags/ViewToolbar opens!
 Just above $/tags/PageControls (at the left side of the button) you can
 click and $:/tags/ViewTemplate opens!
 Just above $/tags/stylesheet (at the left side of the button) you can
 click and Documentation opens!
 Just below $:/tags/AdvancedSearch (at the left side of the button) you
 can click and $/tags/stylesheet opens!

 Internet Explorer v11 works normal, Opera 12 shows only 2 colums, misses
 the last tag pills but the tag pills can be clicked.

 For the time being I will skip the 3 column mode but I am curious what
 happens: strange behaviour of TW5.0.8-beta, Chrome, or the combination of
 TW and Chrome?

 Any idea?

 Cheers,

 Ton

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