Re: [tw] Re: an open source version of the tiddlyspot server
Amazing Rob changed his github name from brimstone4814 to his real name (well, his real name is Amazing Rob, but he's gone with RobertPyke in this case). So what's at https://github.com/robertpyke/tiddly-speck is the most recent state of the tiddly-speck project. Even if it's working, though, it may not have features you want. If you want to clone it and have a go at finishing it off, that's completely okay with us... Cheers Daniel On 21 August 2015 at 22:19, Atul Grover atulgrov...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, Does the code at https://github.com/robertpyke/tiddly-speck works. There is 'page not found' at http://github.com/brimstone4814/tiddly-speck/tree/master http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbrimstone4814%2Ftiddly-speck%2Ftree%2Fmastersa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNF50B2dBHSHoZECuP4MAXkE25Z0Dw Regards Atul On Thursday, February 12, 2009 at 5:28:01 PM UTC+5:30, Daniel Baird wrote: Hi all, I've got an announcement, some rhetorical questions, and a couple of REAL questions I'd love to hear answers to. If you get bored, please scroll to the end where I ask 'em. The Announcement: Imagine if you could just download and unzip some PHP files, and instantly have a tiddlyspot-type server running behind your corporate firewall, on your school server, or just on the Mac Mini in the back of your broom cupboard. That's the goal of a new project that we kicked off a couple of weeks ago. I've tried to anticipate some questions below... Q What's tiddlyspot anyway? Simon and I have run a free TiddlyWiki host at tiddlyspot.com for several years. Tiddlyspot makes it really easy to create and save TiddlyWikis to the web, using BidiX's UploadPlugin and a smattering of sweet, sweet Ruby goodness. Try it out at http://tiddlyspot.com if you want to see how it works. Q *We* kicked off a project? Who's *we*? Well, Simon and I have wanted to clean up and open source tiddlyspot's server code for a while, but haven't really had time. Then recently friend and colleague Robert (known locally as The Amazing Rob) mentioned that he was looking for an open source project to get into. Sha-bam! Q Why PHP? Much as we love Ruby, we figure it's still a little dicey getting Ruby code to work on free and low cost web hosts. PHP on the other hand seems to be supported everywhere, and it's a major goal to make the thing install and run with a minimum of messing about. So PHP it is. Q Easy-to-deploy huh. Any other major goals? - Easy to deploy. Ideally setup-free -- unzip, then browse there. - Easy to understand. TW goes in, TW goes out. I'd love to fix the simultaneous edit problem, that's pretty confusing. Might be out of scope here though :) - Easy to create sites. Like tiddlyspot, or better. Plus support for uploading an existing TW. - Easy to enhance. We imagine fancy backup arrangements, printable PDFs for your GTD lists, etc. might all exist as things you can just dump into the addon directory. - I can't think of any more, but we'll keep you posted... Q What stage is it at? Early. Robert has the basic site creation and hosting working. Still to come is the selection of site flavour, theming branding, getting UploadTiddler working and tested, site and server control panels, fancy backups, and whatever other stuff comes up. Q I've got some time to kill right now. Got something to look at? We don't have a working site to fiddle on yet, but the code's here: http://github.com/brimstone4814/tiddly-speck/tree/master You don't need git to grab it; just click the 'download' button to get the source as a zip. Dump it into an Apache directory and see what happens when you hit index.html. Q What's the volume of a pizza with radius of z, and depth of a? pi z z a (an old joke but a good one). The Questions = There's a few pressing issues I'd love some advice on. Licencing: BSD? GPL? Maybe LGPL? I have a vague sense of the difference between these, but I have no idea what the real ramifications are of each. Will GPL get in the way of corporate use, even just psychologically? And I'd like to allow some kind of plugin arrangement that permits non-open source addons. Any advice? Naming: Currently we're calling it TiddlySpeck, but actually I'd love to think of a name that's not related to tiddlyspot, and maybe doesn't even include the word tiddly. Or is that blasphemous? I'd love to hear your opinions. I expect Robert will be along in a little bit to introduce himself. Cheers ;Daniel -- Daniel Baird I've tried going to the XHTML bar / a few times, but it's always closed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit
Re: [tw] Re: an open source version of the tiddlyspot server
Hi all, The twine project started when Amazing Rob was looking for an open source project to get into, and I suggested he rewrite Tiddlyspot in PHP. He got a couple of weekends in but ended up turning his attention elsewhere (probably I should have hooked him deeper on tiddlywiki first). I think the choice of PHP could be reviewed. It's probably still the most well supported across all the crappy free/low cost web hosting setups, but it's easier to get into stuff like Heroku so maybe Ruby or Node or whatever would be fine. With TW5 the need for a simple, stable web host for TiddlyWikis continues. *The biggest problem with producing an open source tiddlyspot is time*. Simon and I now live in different cities, and we have kids, work etc to deal with. We both *want* to make a modern version of ts, but actually allocating tinkering time is super hard. I'll give you all the secret(s) to making tiddlyspot: - Don't compromise on the SIMPLE FOR USERS part. Either swallow the complexity completely, or skip the feature. User options are sign that you're failing to make it simple. - Serve the tiddlywiki as a single file straight from the disk, using nginx or apache or whatever. Don't be tempted to assemble it from tiddlers stored in a database or whatever. You don't need a database for tiddler content. - Write the plainest, most boring code you can. Don't try fancy stuff. And remember the simplest code is that code you don't even have to write. If anyone's a coder and wants to help crank the handle on a fresh new Ruby, Node or PHP version of tiddlyspot, let me know :) P.S. for any habitual TW list lurkers: I'm 821 conversations behind on my tiddlywiki mailing list reading.. feel free to cc me directly — danielba...@gmail.com — if something comes up in a thread that you think I should see. On 17 August 2015 at 03:52, manoflinux manofli...@gmail.com wrote: Your code seems to have gone missing? Any more work on this? it ever get there? On Thursday, February 12, 2009 at 6:58:01 AM UTC-5, Daniel Baird wrote: Hi all, I've got an announcement, some rhetorical questions, and a couple of REAL questions I'd love to hear answers to. If you get bored, please scroll to the end where I ask 'em. The Announcement: Imagine if you could just download and unzip some PHP files, and instantly have a tiddlyspot-type server running behind your corporate firewall, on your school server, or just on the Mac Mini in the back of your broom cupboard. That's the goal of a new project that we kicked off a couple of weeks ago. -- Daniel Baird objoke: I had a problem and decided to solve it with threading. Now, have problems. two I -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/CAATMBzEjxZR9gH%2Br%2Bjs_j2Uz2EMp-Fz0yavMHD3GA63uVm21wQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: an open source version of the tiddlyspot server
Hi There's an existing OS project with the name Twine :-( http://twinery.org/ Perhaps, Twiser (TW server), or Wiser (Wiki Server.) Why not publish a Docker container of the existing codebase? regards On Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:21:58 AM UTC+2, Daniel Baird wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Eric Shulman elsd...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: TWINE: TiddlyWiki Intranet Environment ties all the needed parts together in a bundle Now that is a GREAT name. if twine.com or .org were available, i'd grab it right now. Any other suggestions, anyone? -- Daniel Baird I've tried going to the XHTML bar / a few times, but it's always closed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/ea2da3c2-3ac4-4d9f-a517-e3fa0591f6d1%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: an open source version of the tiddlyspot server
Matabele wrote: Hi There's an existing OS project with the name Twine :-( http://twinery.org/ Incidentally, wouldn't that front page be a cool interface/storyview for TiddlyWiki? Regardless, this thread was started by Daniel Baird in 2009 (interestingly the same year that the people on that site apparently started their service) but my spontaneous guess is that it is not a relevant issue anymore. Would be wonderful if it is though, not least getting the Bairds back in the TW business. :-) *TWaddling http://twaddle.tiddlyspot.com/ since 1915* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/06128ef9-56ad-4166-bc92-0ff32b2aaa29%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
