[twdev] Re: Time for TW 2.6.3? Also improving www.tiddlywiki.com?
I agree the verb install may be wrong, but I think the reason it was chosen was because we felt it might meet people's expectations - the verb use might be better? I'm all in favour of the community reviewing the copy text. How best might be do this? Creating a tiddlyspace [1] that interested people can contribute too might be one way... [1] http://tiddlyspace.com On Jul 18, 11:16 pm, Ton van Rooijen tons...@xs4all.nl wrote: Dear Martin, I.m.h.o. it is important to avoid the terms install and installation because that's not what it is, and to some it may sound scary. The text in Hello There: Getting started, though, is simple. You can download it for free and install it on your computer, even when offline. could therefore better be reworded to something like e.g.: Getting started, though, is simple. You can download it for free, put the file wherever on your computer, open it with your browser and start writing. It will work with almost every computer with a modern browser. Since your own TiddlyWiki is stored on your computer you can even work on it when offline. The next statement too, suggests more complexity then needed. It does not demonstrate how easy it is to publish with TW, on the contrary. If you're looking for group collaboration features, or want your TiddlyWiki to be available on any computer, there are several HostedOptions for you to chose from. I would rather think of a text like e.g.: If you want to share your content with others you only have to upload your single TiddlyWiki-file to some web-location, e.g. the homepage- space provided by your ISP, and let your audience know the address. There are also several HostedOptions, e.g. if you don't have webspace or when you even would like to allow others to work collaboratively on your TiddlyWiki.” These examples are just to illustrate what I meant when I started this discussion. Of course other texts, like in Getting Started, Installation, HostedOptions, TiddlyWiki and ServerSide would need rephrasing accordingly. It’s all about making TW more attractive to potential new users. Beste regards, Ton van Rooijen. On 18 jul, 15:07, Martin Budden mjbud...@gmail.com wrote: We're certainly interested in hearing suggestions for improvements to tiddlywiki.com, including suggestions for changes to the Hello There tiddler. Do you have any suggestions as to what should be said instead of install? The point about even when offline is taken - clearly this was meant that it could be used even when offline, but it is ambiguous the way it is written. I'll certainly add David Gifford's website to the Examples tiddler. Martin On 17 July 2011 01:11, Ton van Rooijen tons...@xs4all.nl wrote: Dear TW developers community, If you are on the brink of releasing a next release of TW, this must be the righ time to give some feedback on the main TW-download website, i.c.www.tiddlywiki.com. Not too long ago this website has been restyled and for big parts rewritten. I myself am not too happy, but who am I, with some changed accents or rewordings, because I am afraid it puts people on the wrong foot. It might occur that instead of becoming enthousiastic, which should be the primary focus, potential new users get scared and turn their back on TW, even before having tried. My main concerns are in tiddler Hello There, because that is the very first introduction for newbee's. One of the most important and charming features of TW is its self- contained one file structure. As a natural consequence there was never talk of installation in the past, because there isn't. Nevertheless the current Hello There unfortunately talks about install it (TW) on your computer! There's even a separate chapter on it and Installation Guidelines. Scary! Whilst in fact there is only download and open the file. Btw. download .. and install ... 'EVEN WHEN OFFLINE' is of course unprecedented magic, because impossible. Many people, including myself, do use TW as their engine for publishing a website. Would I have read your current Hello There back in 2006 when I started with my first website, I would not even have tried TW. Because the current text reads If you're looking for group collaboration features, OR WANT YOUR TIDDLYWIKI TO BE AVAILABLE ON ANY COMPUTER, there are several HOSTEDOPTIONS for you to chose from. This statement is seriously incorrect, because it is only true for collaboration. To make your TW available on any computer, i.e. like a R/O website, the only thing you have to do of course is to publish that one self-contained TW-file of yours somewhere on the Web. Again, unneccesary scaring off new potential users. More then a pity! May I suggest that in the Examples-tiddler a reference will be made to David Gifford's TiddlyWiki in Action-website, being a TW-website itself, but at the same time showcasing
[twdev] Re: Time for TW 2.6.3? Also improving www.tiddlywiki.com?
Dear Martin, I.m.h.o. it is important to avoid the terms install and installation because that's not what it is, and to some it may sound scary. The text in Hello There: Getting started, though, is simple. You can download it for free and install it on your computer, even when offline. could therefore better be reworded to something like e.g.: Getting started, though, is simple. You can download it for free, put the file wherever on your computer, open it with your browser and start writing. It will work with almost every computer with a modern browser. Since your own TiddlyWiki is stored on your computer you can even work on it when offline. The next statement too, suggests more complexity then needed. It does not demonstrate how easy it is to publish with TW, on the contrary. If you're looking for group collaboration features, or want your TiddlyWiki to be available on any computer, there are several HostedOptions for you to chose from. I would rather think of a text like e.g.: If you want to share your content with others you only have to upload your single TiddlyWiki-file to some web-location, e.g. the homepage- space provided by your ISP, and let your audience know the address. There are also several HostedOptions, e.g. if you don't have webspace or when you even would like to allow others to work collaboratively on your TiddlyWiki.” These examples are just to illustrate what I meant when I started this discussion. Of course other texts, like in Getting Started, Installation, HostedOptions, TiddlyWiki and ServerSide would need rephrasing accordingly. It’s all about making TW more attractive to potential new users. Beste regards, Ton van Rooijen. On 18 jul, 15:07, Martin Budden mjbud...@gmail.com wrote: We're certainly interested in hearing suggestions for improvements to tiddlywiki.com, including suggestions for changes to the Hello There tiddler. Do you have any suggestions as to what should be said instead of install? The point about even when offline is taken - clearly this was meant that it could be used even when offline, but it is ambiguous the way it is written. I'll certainly add David Gifford's website to the Examples tiddler. Martin On 17 July 2011 01:11, Ton van Rooijen tons...@xs4all.nl wrote: Dear TW developers community, If you are on the brink of releasing a next release of TW, this must be the righ time to give some feedback on the main TW-download website, i.c.www.tiddlywiki.com. Not too long ago this website has been restyled and for big parts rewritten. I myself am not too happy, but who am I, with some changed accents or rewordings, because I am afraid it puts people on the wrong foot. It might occur that instead of becoming enthousiastic, which should be the primary focus, potential new users get scared and turn their back on TW, even before having tried. My main concerns are in tiddler Hello There, because that is the very first introduction for newbee's. One of the most important and charming features of TW is its self- contained one file structure. As a natural consequence there was never talk of installation in the past, because there isn't. Nevertheless the current Hello There unfortunately talks about install it (TW) on your computer! There's even a separate chapter on it and Installation Guidelines. Scary! Whilst in fact there is only download and open the file. Btw. download .. and install ... 'EVEN WHEN OFFLINE' is of course unprecedented magic, because impossible. Many people, including myself, do use TW as their engine for publishing a website. Would I have read your current Hello There back in 2006 when I started with my first website, I would not even have tried TW. Because the current text reads If you're looking for group collaboration features, OR WANT YOUR TIDDLYWIKI TO BE AVAILABLE ON ANY COMPUTER, there are several HOSTEDOPTIONS for you to chose from. This statement is seriously incorrect, because it is only true for collaboration. To make your TW available on any computer, i.e. like a R/O website, the only thing you have to do of course is to publish that one self-contained TW-file of yours somewhere on the Web. Again, unneccesary scaring off new potential users. More then a pity! May I suggest that in the Examples-tiddler a reference will be made to David Gifford's TiddlyWiki in Action-website, being a TW-website itself, but at the same time showcasing many examples of TWs as websites. It's not my intention to offend whoever, only try to contribute to a better promotion of TW, which I like very, very much. So I am curious to hear your comments on this, or discuss the topics even futher. Thanks and best regards, Ton van Rooijen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWikiDev group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywikidev@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email
[twdev] Re: Time for TW 2.6.3? Also improving www.tiddlywiki.com?
Hi Ton, I think your texts are cool. If you also post your other suggestions, I think I'd vote for them :) -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWikiDev group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywikidev@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywikidev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywikidev?hl=en.
