Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given thegoahead
A good point, Don, and no one should infer from my earlier post that I am any fan of the FCC, either. I found working with them to be a profoundly frustrating experience. My point, though, was that those marketplace decisions are an integral part of the FCC mission. The business people get angry when FCC pays too much attention to technical issues and the technical people get angry when FCC pays too much attention to business issues and both are simultaneously right and wrong. You could not pay me enough to be an FCC commissioner. Bill On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: No head-ripping, Bill, simply that the FCC makes by fiat decisions that belong in the marketplace. As long as it's easier for business to cultivate a mandate instead of competing, I'll continue to dislike the FCC behavior. Part of the blame actually devolves from a great mistake by Reagan, the Federal Register, q.v. Cynical Don William H. Fite Mike, I think you are quite correct. I wanted to make this observation earlier but feelings are clearly running so high on this list that I feared having my head ripped off by individuals of strong conviction. In my view, it is inconceivable that Lightsquared would be allowed to take out GPS service for any significant fraction of the population. There are just too many Nuvis and TomToms and Magellans in use for that to happen, not to mention contractors, road-and-bridge builders, surveyor, etc., etc., etc. I think this, frankly, is a tempest in a teapot. If I may dare to mention another point, it seems to be the firm conviction here that FCC should be exclusively devoted to technical matters that are invariably subject to the Monday morning quarterbacking of every electrical engineer in the United States. Speaking as someone who worked closely with FCC for a number of years, I can assure you that this is not the case. Technical issues are only one part of the FCC mission, however dissatisfying that state of affairs may be to the technically oriented set. FCC is also mandated to consider the economic welfare of the telecommunications industry and the good of all Americans who rely on telecommunications. And, of course, it is a political organization--though I would argue that that aspect of its operation is overstated. If you gentlemen think that FCC arouses the ire of time nuts and others of our ilk, you have no idea how it arouses the ire of those on the commercial/business side of the table. For every one angry engineer ranting about the pols and nitwits who mismanage FCC, there are ten or twenty business people ranting about those-goddamned-hams-and-their-effing-little-toy-radios. FCC is an easy target for anyone on any side of any telecommunications issue who wants to take a shot. Fire away. Bill On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: At 05:54 PM 2/3/2011, gary wrote... It only take a little radio knowledge to realize how stupid much of what the FCC approves. The FCC raison d'etre is to prevent interference. I don't see any reason for people to get all excited. GPS is fundamentally a military system, and has very significant visibility, being used by _many_ more people than will use the Lightsquared system - civilian, commercial and governmental in addition to military. If, upon initial deployment, real world interference is an issue, Lightsquared will be shut down quickly. There's simply much more inertia, money, and constituency behind GPS than Lightsquared. I asked before if anyone knew the timing requirements for LTE, which is the technology this is based on. If it requires synchronized timing like CDMA, then Lightspeed would be shooting themselves in the foot if they were unable to use GPS based timing within their system. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. R. Bacon If you don't know what it is, don't poke it. Ghost in the Shell Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared and a little math
True enough. And it certainly was not the left that condoned--or ever would condone--leaving the stadium lights on while turning off power to hospitals and nursing homes. Which didn't happen, by the way, but it makes a fantastic tale. And power * did* roll off for virtually all non life-critical applications. On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:32 AM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: Five out of nine people believe money is free speech and a corporation is a person. Well five conservative judges. ;-) -Original Message- From: Perry Sandeen sandee...@yahoo.com Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:45:05 To: time-nuts-requ...@febo.comtime-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Lightsquared and a little math List, Wrote The nationwide LightSquared network, consisting of approximately 40,000 cellular base stations, will cover 92 percent of the U.S. population by 2015 You can make book the missing 8 percent will be areas that exclude the farmers and ranchers who provide our food but the left will make sure the always “financially challenged” in the slums will have it and probably for free. The proof? In every state in the US there is something called a universal service fee on your phone bill. This is usually 35 to 45 cents. It is not optional. The purpose of that fee is modeled after the postal system that charges you the same amount whether one sends a letter 2 miles or 2,000 miles so that everyone can economically communicate. By law the phone companies are given that money to provide the rural areas with the same services that are offered in urban areas. This includes broadband DSL and TV services. It has never happened and probably won’t as we seem to have the best politicians money can buy. I’m a conservative and I have lived in two rural areas now and the story is the same. ATT continues to send me glowing adverts for bundled phone service only. When I lived in a large town they came door to door trying to sign people up for broadband and the regularly sent glowing adverts in my phone bill to sign up for bundled phone, DSL broadband, and TV. This explains while they kept the lights on continuously at the Dallas Cowboy stadium for the superbowel, they had 15 minute rolling blackouts to all the area hospitals, nursing homes and elder care facilities where residents rely on continued electrical service for their oxygen concentrators and assisted breathing devices. Regards, Perrier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared and a little math
Wow - yet another on-topic time-nuts discussion... Really guys? I mean REALLY? On Feb 4, 2011, at 8:30 AM, William H. Fite wrote: True enough. And it certainly was not the left that condoned--or ever would condone--leaving the stadium lights on while turning off power to hospitals and nursing homes. Which didn't happen, by the way, but it makes a fantastic tale. And power * did* roll off for virtually all non life-critical applications. On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:32 AM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: Five out of nine people believe money is free speech and a corporation is a person. Well five conservative judges. ;-) -Original Message- From: Perry Sandeen sandee...@yahoo.com Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:45:05 To: time-nuts-requ...@febo.comtime-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Lightsquared and a little math List, Wrote The nationwide LightSquared network, consisting of approximately 40,000 cellular base stations, will cover 92 percent of the U.S. population by 2015 You can make book the missing 8 percent will be areas that exclude the farmers and ranchers who provide our food but the left will make sure the always “financially challenged” in the slums will have it and probably for free. The proof? In every state in the US there is something called a universal service fee on your phone bill. This is usually 35 to 45 cents. It is not optional. The purpose of that fee is modeled after the postal system that charges you the same amount whether one sends a letter 2 miles or 2,000 miles so that everyone can economically communicate. By law the phone companies are given that money to provide the rural areas with the same services that are offered in urban areas. This includes broadband DSL and TV services. It has never happened and probably won’t as we seem to have the best politicians money can buy. I’m a conservative and I have lived in two rural areas now and the story is the same. ATT continues to send me glowing adverts for bundled phone service only. When I lived in a large town they came door to door trying to sign people up for broadband and the regularly sent glowing adverts in my phone bill to sign up for bundled phone, DSL broadband, and TV. This explains while they kept the lights on continuously at the Dallas Cowboy stadium for the superbowel, they had 15 minute rolling blackouts to all the area hospitals, nursing homes and elder care facilities where residents rely on continued electrical service for their oxygen concentrators and assisted breathing devices. Regards, Perrier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been giventhegoahead
Trouble is those 'hams with their effing toy radios' have pioneered just about every 'business' service being sold today. Especially true since US business has essentially abandoned industrial research and 'innovative design' in too many cases is copying a reference design from a data sheet. The FCC has made a series of extraordinarily bad decisions since the appointment of Powell in the interest of grubbing for dollars 220 Mhz allocation to UPS (still unused 10 years later) BPL, Sirius/XM repeaters then merger which was explicitly against the law which established the service, DTV transition which left huge areas of the country dark for OTA TV, Spectrum auctions and now Lightsquared which is going to hose 10's of millions of GPS dependent devices as well as break the aviation GPS receivers Ironic since the entire next generation of ATC depends on L1 GPS. The commissioners used to take into account FCC's engineering studies but today they are entirely political animals looking for their post FCC gig at one of the entities they used to regulate. And so they hurry to approve anything set before them which could land them a cushy post FCC job. Until the revolving door is stopped we will continue to have these issues. Hopefully NTIA will step in and stop this idiocy as L1 is also used by the military and Govt Scott N1JIN Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: William H. Fite omni...@gmail.com Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 08:27:19 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given thegoahead A good point, Don, and no one should infer from my earlier post that I am any fan of the FCC, either. I found working with them to be a profoundly frustrating experience. My point, though, was that those marketplace decisions are an integral part of the FCC mission. The business people get angry when FCC pays too much attention to technical issues and the technical people get angry when FCC pays too much attention to business issues and both are simultaneously right and wrong. You could not pay me enough to be an FCC commissioner. Bill On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: No head-ripping, Bill, simply that the FCC makes by fiat decisions that belong in the marketplace. As long as it's easier for business to cultivate a mandate instead of competing, I'll continue to dislike the FCC behavior. Part of the blame actually devolves from a great mistake by Reagan, the Federal Register, q.v. Cynical Don William H. Fite Mike, I think you are quite correct. I wanted to make this observation earlier but feelings are clearly running so high on this list that I feared having my head ripped off by individuals of strong conviction. In my view, it is inconceivable that Lightsquared would be allowed to take out GPS service for any significant fraction of the population. There are just too many Nuvis and TomToms and Magellans in use for that to happen, not to mention contractors, road-and-bridge builders, surveyor, etc., etc., etc. I think this, frankly, is a tempest in a teapot. If I may dare to mention another point, it seems to be the firm conviction here that FCC should be exclusively devoted to technical matters that are invariably subject to the Monday morning quarterbacking of every electrical engineer in the United States. Speaking as someone who worked closely with FCC for a number of years, I can assure you that this is not the case. Technical issues are only one part of the FCC mission, however dissatisfying that state of affairs may be to the technically oriented set. FCC is also mandated to consider the economic welfare of the telecommunications industry and the good of all Americans who rely on telecommunications. And, of course, it is a political organization--though I would argue that that aspect of its operation is overstated. If you gentlemen think that FCC arouses the ire of time nuts and others of our ilk, you have no idea how it arouses the ire of those on the commercial/business side of the table. For every one angry engineer ranting about the pols and nitwits who mismanage FCC, there are ten or twenty business people ranting about those-goddamned-hams-and-their-effing-little-toy-radios. FCC is an easy target for anyone on any side of any telecommunications issue who wants to take a shot. Fire away. Bill On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: At 05:54 PM 2/3/2011, gary wrote... It only take a little radio knowledge to realize how stupid much of what the FCC approves. The FCC raison d'etre is to prevent interference. I don't see any
[time-nuts] FE-5680A RFS question....
I recently purchased an FE-5680A 10 MHz RFS from China and it came with a label attached indicating the pinout of the DB9 connector as pin 1: +15V, pin 2: GND, pin 3: +5V, pin 7: RF Out. From what I can determine from Googling the manual, pin 3 is more likely a lock detect output. I have no idea which option it is. There is no SMA connector adjacent to the DB9 but all pins on the DB9 have wires attached. The part number on the label is 217400-30352-1. I have yet to fire it up. Any thoughts you guys might have will be appreciated. Bud W0LCP ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] GPDSO oscillator drift experimentation
Hi Most likely you are seeing GPS do it's thing and the controller filter it out. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 9:18 AM To: Time-nuts Subject: [time-nuts] GPDSO oscillator drift experimentation Hello to the group. I am tinkering with the leftover xtal oscillators from the lucent RB cel site references. Figured they were nice and might make a useful GPSDO. I have a hp3801 that works fine. Also I am using the vers 1.3 Brooke Shera bd that I resurrected just for tinkering with a Oncore M12+. I suppose its always been obvious but I really never noticed. When everythings locked the oscillator will drift a bit left or right governed by the filter time of the controller and the S parameter of the EFC and LSD DAC used. Is that a correct observation? This is quite a small drift. I have the scope at 10 ns and the xtal oscillator drifts right and then left at 30 sec intervals min time constant on the controller. Granted I definitely do not have the resistors quite correct yet for the EFC voltage. Thanks for comments in advance. Regards] Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A RFS question....
Hi There are several pin outs running around. I'd ohm it out and see what's what. Depending on who you bought it from they may / may not know what they are talking about. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bud Patten Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 11:37 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] FE-5680A RFS question I recently purchased an FE-5680A 10 MHz RFS from China and it came with a label attached indicating the pinout of the DB9 connector as pin 1: +15V, pin 2: GND, pin 3: +5V, pin 7: RF Out. From what I can determine from Googling the manual, pin 3 is more likely a lock detect output. I have no idea which option it is. There is no SMA connector adjacent to the DB9 but all pins on the DB9 have wires attached. The part number on the label is 217400-30352-1. I have yet to fire it up. Any thoughts you guys might have will be appreciated. Bud W0LCP ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Feb 1 update on Lightsquared
http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/news/data-shows-disastrous-gps-jamming-fcc-approved-broadcaster-11029 http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/the-system-fcc-asked-authorize-potential-interferer-11045 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: 10MHz to 80MHz frequency multiplier suggestions
That CVHD-950-100 looks to be just the ticket. Nice price/performance. Thank you for the recommendation! :) I just looked at the data sheet. It says: Frequency Pulling: ±20ppm APR Min. I was going to ask what APR meant. In case anybody else is also curious... The CVS575-500 data sheet says Absolute Pull Range. Google found these (and more): http://www.vectron.com/products/appnotes/abspullrange.pdf http://www.crystek.com/microwave/appnotes/AbsolutePullingRangeAPR.pdf The Vectron version doesn't mention the initial calibration. The Crystek version does. It looks like they are trying to tell me that it's the number a designer needs: I can tune anywhere within that band for any temp/voltage/aging/initial-calibration. They don't specify a lifetime so you might have to round down a bit if you expect your box to last a long time. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Frequency multiplication
On 04/02/11 22:50, Rex wrote: On 2/4/2011 1:18 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Just avoid falling into the charge-pump tar-pit... Cheers, Magnus Curious what you mean by that? If you have the combination of a charge-pump with a dead-band (such as 4046) and a too low comparator frequency... you can get fairly long periods of quite followed by correction spikes. Not nice. There are good charge-pumps and good uses of them. But I avoid them like plague. There is usually simpler alternatives available. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna splitters
Has anyone measured the gain (or loss) of the Minicircuits ZAPD-3DB-1575-3 GPS antenna splitter? I've seen a number on the auction site, and am wondering if they have any gain. I see the 3DB in the model number, but don't know if it's gain or loss. I have a TBolt and an HP Z3801A. I can use the antenna with only one receiver at a time, but would like to run them concurrently.Since I'm using a 25db gain bullet antenna, I certainly don't want to lose any signal. If the ZAPD-3DB-1575-3 splitter doesn't provide any gain internally, which model splitter(s) can you recommend? If the data sheet doesn't say anything about the power supply requirements, I'd assume it is a simple splitter with no amplifier which would match 3 DB. The HP 2-way and 4-way GPS splitter is often available on ebay. I forget the model numbers, but it's pretty obvious. There are only a few of them. They take power from the coax. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] GPS Antenna splitters
I use a ZAPD-3DB-1575-3 followed by a 4-way splitter (with one dc pass through) designed for cable TV up to 2400Mhz so the ZAPD's gain is canceled by the splitters loss, but I get a total of 5 outputs with the second ZAPD output still at high gain. I did change a couple of connectors on the ZAPD rather than use adaptors and there is an amp inside. Nice unit. -Arthur ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna splitters
I still have some Symmetricom 58535A two way splitters available. Specs are available on the Symmetricom web site. The pricing is as follows: 1 58535A $35 plus $ 5.20 priority flat rate shipping 2 58535A $65 plus $ 5.20 priority flat rate shipping 4 58535A $120 plus $10.95 priority flat rate shipping Thanks Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 office 908-902-3831 cell -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Dave M Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 8:16 PM To: TimeNuts Subject: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna splitters Has anyone measured the gain (or loss) of the Minicircuits ZAPD-3DB-1575-3 GPS antenna splitter? I've seen a number on the auction site, and am wondering if they have any gain. I see the 3DB in the model number, but don't know if it's gain or loss. I have a TBolt and an HP Z3801A. I can use the antenna with only one receiver at a time, but would like to run them concurrently.Since I'm using a 25db gain bullet antenna, I certainly don't want to lose any signal. If the ZAPD-3DB-1575-3 splitter doesn't provide any gain internally, which model splitter(s) can you recommend? David dgminala at mediacombb dot net ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Check out my photos on Facebook
Hi Time-nuts, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, Stanley To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=10278749666k=Z6E3Y5U34YZNYDBJPA2TSWR2QRIB4TYLSVDSCr Already have an account? Add this email address to your account: http://www.facebook.com/n/?merge_accounts.phpe=time-nuts%40febo.comc=613df3677a9c591f348d68270b7784cd === time-nuts@febo.com was invited to join Facebook by Stanley Reynolds. If you don't want to receive these emails from Facebook in the future, please follow the link below to unsubscribe. http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=74ab50u=1348233827mid=3b6b518G505c6a63G0G8 Learn more about this email: http://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=17151\nFacebook, Inc. P.O. Box 10005, Palo Alto, CA 94303 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Check out my photos on Facebook
Facebook SPAM is NOT APPRECIATED. -John = Hi Time-nuts, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, Stanley To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=10278749666k=Z6E3Y5U34YZNYDBJPA2TSWR2QRIB4TYLSVDSCr Already have an account? Add this email address to your account: http://www.facebook.com/n/?merge_accounts.phpe=time-nuts%40febo.comc=613df3677a9c591f348d68270b7784cd === time-nuts@febo.com was invited to join Facebook by Stanley Reynolds. If you don't want to receive these emails from Facebook in the future, please follow the link below to unsubscribe. http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=74ab50u=1348233827mid=3b6b518G505c6a63G0G8 Learn more about this email: http://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=17151\nFacebook, Inc. P.O. Box 10005, Palo Alto, CA 94303 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Measuring clock accuracy in the past
List, Just a short note of thanks for all who answered my questions both on and off list. I was overwhelmed with the graciousness and information that was shared. Regards, Perrier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Subject: Re: Lightsquared and a little math
List, Wrote: And it certainly was not the left that condoned--or ever would condone--leaving the stadium lights on while turning off power to hospitals and nursing homes. Which didn't happen, by the way, but it makes a fantastic tale. And power * did* roll off for virtually all non-life-critical applications. Bill, Actually it did happen for two reasons. The first was Janet Neapolitan decided that for super-bowel security, even though it was shitty weather outside and no one was really moving around, that is was essential to security that there was not to be even a 15 minute black-out. I agree no one of any political persuasion would plan or condone the health care facilities rolling black-outs. But it did happen to the health care facilities because of incompetent planning and testing. The result was the law of natural consequences. The problem is the greenie self-elevated elite are pie-in-the-sky theorists without the science knowledge to back what they believe are running or better ruining the show. Both liberals and conservatives have good and bad ideas. It’s up to all of us to watch closely as politicians don’t tend to do what’s expected but what is inspected. For multiple published reports that this indeed happened please go to the Drudge Report or Google the subject. Regards, Perrier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Feb 1 update on Lightsquared
How the FCC behaves in response to this will be very interesting and revealing. Hopefully this won't be another NEXTEL 800 MHz type decision. Otherwise I may find myself avoiding airplane travel in the future ;-) -- Joe Leikhim Leikhim and Associates Communications Consultants Oviedo, Florida www.Leikhim.com jleik...@leikhim.com 407-982-0446 WWW.LEIKHIM.COM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Re: Lightsquared and a little math
Actually, Perrier, it did NOT happen. I cannot say that there might not have been a health care facility *somewhere* that lost power but there were no wide scale blackouts of hospitals and nursing homes. Sorry, my friend, just didn't happen. I'd seek a more reliable source of information than Drudge which, as even a great many conservatives will acknowledge, is one of the least objective information sources on the internet. Like listening to Glen Beck (or Keith Olbermann, for that matter) as a source of unbiased news. OK, as others have pointed out, we are wayyy off topic so I'm all done with this thread. You are welcome to the last word. Bill On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Perry Sandeen sandee...@yahoo.com wrote: List, Wrote: And it certainly was not the left that condoned--or ever would condone--leaving the stadium lights on while turning off power to hospitals and nursing homes. Which didn't happen, by the way, but it makes a fantastic tale. And power * did* roll off for virtually all non-life-critical applications. Bill, Actually it did happen for two reasons. The first was Janet Neapolitan decided that for super-bowel security, even though it was shitty weather outside and no one was really moving around, that is was essential to security that there was not to be even a 15 minute black-out. I agree no one of any political persuasion would plan or condone the health care facilities rolling black-outs. But it did happen to the health care facilities because of incompetent planning and testing. The result was the law of natural consequences. The problem is the greenie self-elevated elite are pie-in-the-sky theorists without the science knowledge to back what they believe are running or better ruining the show. Both liberals and conservatives have good and bad ideas. It’s up to all of us to watch closely as politicians don’t tend to do what’s expected but what is inspected. For multiple published reports that this indeed happened please go to the Drudge Report or Google the subject. Regards, Perrier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Frequency multiplication
On 2/4/11 1:18 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 02/02/11 19:47, Hal Murray wrote: Bottom line - there's a lot to look into, and they are unlikely to help you out. There are a lot of FPGAs used in DSP applications where the clock to the front end ADC is critical. So I'd expect there would be some in-house knowledge about this area. It may be that all the help you will get is Don't do that. You don't feed the ADC from the FPGA if you can avoid it. especially if your ADC clock is a different frequency from the processor clock that's being used for most of the other logic on the FPGA. I'd give a ballpark estimate of 20-30 dB isolation between the two on a Virtex 2. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Check out my photos on Facebook
On 2/4/2011 6:37 PM, Stanley Reynolds wrote: Hi Time-nuts, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, Stanley To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=10278749666k=Z6E3Y5U34YZNYDBJPA2TSWR2QRIB4TYLSVDSCr Already have an account? Add this email address to your account: http://www.facebook.com/n/?merge_accounts.phpe=time-nuts%40febo.comc=613df3677a9c591f348d68270b7784cd Yeah, I've avoided facebook thus far and this is not going to be sufficient to entice me. If you only post your stuff there, I'll never see it. I did use Yahoo Groups a few times. I tried to log-on recently after a long inactive time. My password didn't work. I tried to reactivate my account with Yahoo support people. They asked me questions over three days, then told me I needed to fax them a picture ID! I guess I'm done with Yahoo too. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Re: Lightsquared and a little math
On 2/4/2011 7:31 PM, William H. Fite wrote: Actually, Perrier, Bill On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Perry Sandeensandee...@yahoo.com wrote: List, Wrote: the stadium lights Janet Neapolitan liberals and conservatives Drudge Report Regards, Perrier PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE STOP!!! NOT HERE. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Check out my photos on Facebook
Facebook is obnoxious. Yahoo Groups work quite well, if setup and moderated properly. I own and/or moderate more than 20 of them with many thousands of members. -John Yeah, I've avoided facebook thus far and this is not going to be sufficient to entice me. If you only post your stuff there, I'll never see it. I did use Yahoo Groups a few times. I tried to log-on recently after a long inactive time. My password didn't work. I tried to reactivate my account with Yahoo support people. They asked me questions over three days, then told me I needed to fax them a picture ID! I guess I'm done with Yahoo too. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Check out my photos on Facebook
Interesting timing. I'm on an anti-spam list which was recently discussing how to avoid getting your gmail password captured by the bad guys. My contribution to that discussion was don't give your password to neat sites that offer you you some cool feature... In case anybody isn't familiar with Facebook, they have a long history of horrible privacy problems. Most (all?) of them are policy rather than coding bugs. This event is typical, but far from limited to Facebook. There are many Facebook-wantabe sites out there scheming for ways to get your password so they can snarf your address book and spam all your friends and monetize that data and ... Stanley... I assume you gave Facebook your yahoo password. As far as I can tell, you are neither an idiot nor an asshole. You just got suckered by Facebook. What did they offer you in trade? Did they cleanly explain that they would harvest your address book and spam (er invite) all your friends? febo-John: Do you get any legitimate mail from Facebook? Can you block all of their IP addresses? If yes, I'll see if I can find a list of their IP address blocks. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Check out my photos on Facebook
The most recent Facebook incident involved 1/4 million Facebook accounts that got listed on a new dating site without the user's permission. That's one way to kickstart your dating site membership (not). Joe Gray W5JG On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: Interesting timing. I'm on an anti-spam list which was recently discussing how to avoid getting your gmail password captured by the bad guys. My contribution to that discussion was don't give your password to neat sites that offer you you some cool feature... In case anybody isn't familiar with Facebook, they have a long history of horrible privacy problems. Most (all?) of them are policy rather than coding bugs. This event is typical, but far from limited to Facebook. There are many Facebook-wantabe sites out there scheming for ways to get your password so they can snarf your address book and spam all your friends and monetize that data and ... Stanley... I assume you gave Facebook your yahoo password. As far as I can tell, you are neither an idiot nor an asshole. You just got suckered by Facebook. What did they offer you in trade? Did they cleanly explain that they would harvest your address book and spam (er invite) all your friends? febo-John: Do you get any legitimate mail from Facebook? Can you block all of their IP addresses? If yes, I'll see if I can find a list of their IP address blocks. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Check out my photos on Facebook
Hal, This is not the first time this has happened. Apparently, when you sign up for FB there is some non-obvious (purposely misleading, IMO) opt-out step that prevents FB access to your Address Book. The default is full access. The spam message will be repeated several times in the next month or so. The Facebook abuse address is: ab...@fb.com Linked-In does a similar scummy thing. FWIW, -John === Interesting timing. I'm on an anti-spam list which was recently discussing how to avoid getting your gmail password captured by the bad guys. My contribution to that discussion was don't give your password to neat sites that offer you you some cool feature... In case anybody isn't familiar with Facebook, they have a long history of horrible privacy problems. Most (all?) of them are policy rather than coding bugs. This event is typical, but far from limited to Facebook. There are many Facebook-wantabe sites out there scheming for ways to get your password so they can snarf your address book and spam all your friends and monetize that data and ... Stanley... I assume you gave Facebook your yahoo password. As far as I can tell, you are neither an idiot nor an asshole. You just got suckered by Facebook. What did they offer you in trade? Did they cleanly explain that they would harvest your address book and spam (er invite) all your friends? febo-John: Do you get any legitimate mail from Facebook? Can you block all of their IP addresses? If yes, I'll see if I can find a list of their IP address blocks. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Check out my photos on Facebook
Hi guys, With all respect (as much as I can muster on a Friday night that I'm sitting at home instead of having fun), can we push the SNR ratio in the right direction? Thanks, Bob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Check out my photos on Facebook
Stanley, I find this facebook advert totally unacceptable. Plenty of other venues exist where one does not have to be forced to join before viewing. Why not develop one of those type, such as a normal WEB page. Then people can go and look at your pictures and videos without being harassed by some damn site requiring personal data and joining. Yes, I being negative. I get tired of these intrusive sites like facebook and picture sites that force limitations of various sorts. By the way, Time-nuts and Volt-nuts is supposed to be a high signal to noise type list and spraying its existence all over the internet is counter productive to the aims of these two lists; in my humble opinion. Sorry, nothing personal, it is just business as the Mafioso's use to say. BillWB6BNQ Stanley Reynolds wrote: Hi Discussion, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, Stanley To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: [1]http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=10278749666k=Z6E3Y5U34YZNYDB JPB63QUXZUQ1E4XZNUWIWKDVDPWr Already have an account? Add this email address to your account: [2]http://www.facebook.com/n/?merge_accounts.phpe=volt-nuts%40febo. comc=a5422abca65e3ba14bbcf38feebca4d2 === volt-n...@febo.com was invited to join Facebook by Stanley Reynolds. If you don't want to receive these emails from Facebook in the future, please follow the link below to unsubscribe. [3]http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=341667u=11996436255mid=3b6b 4deG5af38779731fG0G8 Learn more about this email: [4]http://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=17151\nFacebook, Inc. P.O. Box 10005, Palo Alto, CA 94303 ___ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-n...@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to [5]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts and follow the instructions there. References 1. http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=10278749666k=Z6E3Y5U34YZNYDBJPB63QUXZUQ1E4XZNUWIWKDVDPWr 2. http://www.facebook.com/n/?merge_accounts.phpe=volt-nuts%40febo.comc=a5422abca65e3ba14bbcf38feebca4d2 3. http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=341667u=11996436255mid=3b6b4deG5af38779731fG0G8 4. http://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=17151\nFacebook 5. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna splitters
If you need a GPS antenna splitter... these are incredible! Thanks Mike! - Brice - Original Message - From: Mike Feher mfe...@eozinc.com To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna splitters I still have some Symmetricom 58535A two way splitters available. Specs are available on the Symmetricom web site. The pricing is as follows: 1 58535A $35 plus $ 5.20 priority flat rate shipping 2 58535A $65 plus $ 5.20 priority flat rate shipping 4 58535A $120 plus $10.95 priority flat rate shipping Thanks Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 office 908-902-3831 cell -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Dave M Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 8:16 PM To: TimeNuts Subject: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna splitters Has anyone measured the gain (or loss) of the Minicircuits ZAPD-3DB-1575-3 GPS antenna splitter? I've seen a number on the auction site, and am wondering if they have any gain. I see the 3DB in the model number, but don't know if it's gain or loss. I have a TBolt and an HP Z3801A. I can use the antenna with only one receiver at a time, but would like to run them concurrently.Since I'm using a 25db gain bullet antenna, I certainly don't want to lose any signal. If the ZAPD-3DB-1575-3 splitter doesn't provide any gain internally, which model splitter(s) can you recommend? David dgminala at mediacombb dot net ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Check out my photos on Facebook
A good way to post photos etc is with Dropbox. You get 2 GB free. Once you install their small unobtrusive application, you can open the Dropbox (online) folder in Windows File explorer and drag and drop files to it and create folders etc. just like it was on your computer. A public folder is created for you for stuff that you want to share with every one. No Spam, No privacy issues. (Yes, facebook is the worst commercial (i.e.; not the cybermobs) violator of privacy in the free world.) You can access your public/private folders from any computer with internet access. An easy way to do this is to use this link (And I get 250 MB extra for my free account, thanks!) http://db.tt/9DovnzV Regards, John K1AE John Allen - PC Support Solutions www.pcsupportsolutions.com -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of WB6BNQ Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 12:37 AM To: Stanley Reynolds; Discussion of precise voltage measurement; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Check out my photos on Facebook Stanley, I find this facebook advert totally unacceptable. Plenty of other venues exist where one does not have to be forced to join before viewing. Why not develop one of those type, such as a normal WEB page. Then people can go and look at your pictures and videos without being harassed by some damn site requiring personal data and joining. Yes, I being negative. I get tired of these intrusive sites like facebook and picture sites that force limitations of various sorts. By the way, Time-nuts and Volt-nuts is supposed to be a high signal to noise type list and spraying its existence all over the internet is counter productive to the aims of these two lists; in my humble opinion. Sorry, nothing personal, it is just business as the Mafioso's use to say. BillWB6BNQ Stanley Reynolds wrote: Hi Discussion, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, Stanley To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: [1]http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=10278749666k=Z6E3Y5U34YZNYDB JPB63QUXZUQ1E4XZNUWIWKDVDPWr Already have an account? Add this email address to your account: [2]http://www.facebook.com/n/?merge_accounts.phpe=volt-nuts%40febo. comc=a5422abca65e3ba14bbcf38feebca4d2 === volt-n...@febo.com was invited to join Facebook by Stanley Reynolds. If you don't want to receive these emails from Facebook in the future, please follow the link below to unsubscribe. [3]http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=341667u=11996436255mid=3b6b 4deG5af38779731fG0G8 Learn more about this email: [4]http://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=17151\nFacebook, Inc. P.O. Box 10005, Palo Alto, CA 94303 ___ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-n...@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to [5]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts and follow the instructions there. References 1. http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=10278749666k=Z6E3Y5U34YZNYDBJPB63QUXZUQ1E4X ZNUWIWKDVDPWr 2. http://www.facebook.com/n/?merge_accounts.phpe=volt-nuts%40febo.comc=a5422abca 65e3ba14bbcf38feebca4d2 3. http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=341667u=11996436255mid=3b6b4deG5af38779731 fG0G8 4. http://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=17151\nFacebook 5. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
