Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic

2010-11-27 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Paul,

I am currently in a terrible hurry with my job. Must return to the FS700
later. Currently it runs completely ok on the W3DZZ with 102 dB receiver
gain and 31 dB noise margin. I have connected the output of my Z3805 to the
FS700's comparator input and the display says that ther is a delta-f of
1.9E-13 measured over a period of 117 hours.

Best regards
Ulrich

 -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
 Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com 
 [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von paul swed
 Gesendet: Freitag, 26. November 2010 17:27
 An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
 Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic
 
 
 did you have any luck?
 
 On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:05 PM, paul swed 
 paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Not a problem on spelling especially if tired.
  The problem you are running into is really curious indeed. Since we 
  have no LORAN C in N A anymore. I can only use the loran 
 simulator to 
  drive the FS700 and that works very well. I have the 
 antenuator in the 
  simulator at -55 db as I recall to simulate the signal I 
 used to get 
  from the 9960 chain. Literally have no problem at all as 
 you have run 
  into. I did put the eproms on the K04bb site for safe 
 keeping. Maybe 
  software vintage? Regards
 
 
  On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Ulrich Bangert 
  df...@ulrich-bangert.dewrote:
 
  This: sours should of course read: source
 
   -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
   Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com 
 [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] 
   Im Auftrag von Ulrich Bangert
   Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. November 2010 18:32
   An: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
   Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic
  
  
   Hi Paul,
  
If you are using something different then an active 
 antennathat 
draws current. You need a 470 ohm resistor to ground at the 
antenna bnc.The system sense current being drawn both high and 
low.
  
   Yes, this is understood. My antenna coupler for the W3 
 includes a 
   560 Ohm resistor and Frank has found out that even a 1 K 
 resistor 
   is accepted as a functioning active antenna. My active 
 loop draws 
   some 8 mA from the center conductor and is therefore 
 accepted as a 
   functioning active antenna too.
  
   If the mysterious action has taken place it seems indeed 
 as if the 
   the receiver gain is set to a very low if not zero 
 value. This is 
   well understood because SRS says: If the 1 dB condition 
 is met the 
   receiver stops action, so setting the gain to zero or so 
 may be a 
   natural result of this. The big question is: What has happened 
   before that makes the receiver THINK that this condition is met? 
   Franks and mine receiver doing literally the same seems 
 to indicate 
   that the sours is the same for both of them.
  
   Best regards
   Ulrich Bangert
  
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Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com 
[mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von paul swed
Gesendet: Montag, 22. November 2010 23:34
An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic
   
   
Looked at the schematics front end is simple. 
 Essentially op amps 
notch filters and most important electronic selectable 
attenuators. Any of it could cause issues. But the 
 good news is a 
amplified loran signal is on the back of the unit so you could 
look to see whats happening to the signal. Oh other 
 big point. If 
you are using something different then an active antennathat 
draws current. You need a 470 ohm resistor to ground at the 
antenna bnc.The system sense current being drawn both high and 
low. Regards Paul.
   
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 1:46 PM, paul swed 
 paulsw...@gmail.com 
wrote:
   
 My thats a reasonable answer indeed.


 On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Stan, W1LE
   stanw...@verizon.net
 wrote:

 It is not just one page.   What are you specifically
   looking for ?
 Most sheets are B size ( double A size).

 I got the complete manual from SRS for ~35$

 Stan, W1LE



 On 11/22/2010 10:00 AM, Ulrich Bangert wrote:

 Gentlemen,

 I know this one has been asked a few years before 
 but I give 
 it another
 try:

 Has anyone of you a Stanford Research FS700 schematic
available that
 he can share with me?

 Best regards

 Ulrich Bangert
 www.ulrich-bangert.de
 Ortholzer Weg 1
 27243 Gross Ippener


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Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic

2010-11-26 Thread paul swed
did you have any luck?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:05 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not a problem on spelling especially if tired.
 The problem you are running into is really curious indeed.
 Since we have no LORAN C in N A anymore. I can only use the loran simulator
 to drive the FS700 and that works very well. I have the antenuator in the
 simulator at -55 db as I recall to simulate the signal I used to get from
 the 9960 chain. Literally have no problem at all as you have run into.
 I did put the eproms on the K04bb site for safe keeping. Maybe software
 vintage?
 Regards


 On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Ulrich Bangert 
 df...@ulrich-bangert.dewrote:

 This: sours should of course read: source

  -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
  Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com
  [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von Ulrich Bangert
  Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. November 2010 18:32
  An: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
  Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic
 
 
  Hi Paul,
 
   If you are using something different then an active
   antennathat draws current. You need a 470 ohm resistor to
   ground at the antenna bnc.The system sense current being
   drawn both high and low.
 
  Yes, this is understood. My antenna coupler for the W3
  includes a 560 Ohm resistor and Frank has found out that even
  a 1 K resistor is accepted as a functioning active antenna.
  My active loop draws some 8 mA from the center conductor and
  is therefore accepted as a functioning active antenna too.
 
  If the mysterious action has taken place it seems indeed as
  if the the receiver gain is set to a very low if not zero
  value. This is well understood because SRS says: If the 1 dB
  condition is met the receiver stops action, so setting the
  gain to zero or so may be a natural result of this. The big
  question is: What has happened before that makes the receiver
  THINK that this condition is met? Franks and mine receiver
  doing literally the same seems to indicate that the sours is
  the same for both of them.
 
  Best regards
  Ulrich Bangert
 
   -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
   Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com
   [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von paul swed
   Gesendet: Montag, 22. November 2010 23:34
   An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
   Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic
  
  
   Looked at the schematics front end is simple. Essentially op
   amps notch filters and most important electronic selectable
   attenuators. Any of it could cause issues. But the good news
   is a amplified loran signal is on the back of the unit so you
   could look to see whats happening to the signal. Oh other big
   point. If you are using something different then an active
   antennathat draws current. You need a 470 ohm resistor to
   ground at the antenna bnc.The system sense current being
   drawn both high and low. Regards Paul.
  
   On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 1:46 PM, paul swed
   paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:
  
My thats a reasonable answer indeed.
   
   
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Stan, W1LE
  stanw...@verizon.net
wrote:
   
It is not just one page.   What are you specifically
  looking for ?
Most sheets are B size ( double A size).
   
I got the complete manual from SRS for ~35$
   
Stan, W1LE
   
   
   
On 11/22/2010 10:00 AM, Ulrich Bangert wrote:
   
Gentlemen,
   
I know this one has been asked a few years before but I give it
another
try:
   
Has anyone of you a Stanford Research FS700 schematic
   available that
he can share with me?
   
Best regards
   
Ulrich Bangert
www.ulrich-bangert.de
Ortholzer Weg 1
27243 Gross Ippener
   
   
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Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic

2010-11-23 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Hi Paul,

 If you are using something different then an active 
 antennathat draws current. You need a 470 ohm resistor to 
 ground at the antenna bnc.The system sense current being 
 drawn both high and low.

Yes, this is understood. My antenna coupler for the W3 includes a 560 Ohm
resistor and Frank has found out that even a 1 K resistor is accepted as a
functioning active antenna. My active loop draws some 8 mA from the center
conductor and is therefore accepted as a functioning active antenna too.

If the mysterious action has taken place it seems indeed as if the the
receiver gain is set to a very low if not zero value. This is well
understood because SRS says: If the 1 dB condition is met the receiver
stops action, so setting the gain to zero or so may be a natural result of
this. The big question is: What has happened before that makes the receiver
THINK that this condition is met? Franks and mine receiver doing literally
the same seems to indicate that the sours is the same for both of them.

Best regards
Ulrich Bangert  

 -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
 Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com 
 [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von paul swed
 Gesendet: Montag, 22. November 2010 23:34
 An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
 Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic
 
 
 Looked at the schematics front end is simple. Essentially op 
 amps notch filters and most important electronic selectable 
 attenuators. Any of it could cause issues. But the good news 
 is a amplified loran signal is on the back of the unit so you 
 could look to see whats happening to the signal. Oh other big 
 point. If you are using something different then an active 
 antennathat draws current. You need a 470 ohm resistor to 
 ground at the antenna bnc.The system sense current being 
 drawn both high and low. Regards Paul.
 
 On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 1:46 PM, paul swed 
 paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  My thats a reasonable answer indeed.
 
 
  On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net 
  wrote:
 
  It is not just one page.   What are you specifically looking for ?
  Most sheets are B size ( double A size).
 
  I got the complete manual from SRS for ~35$
 
  Stan, W1LE
 
 
 
  On 11/22/2010 10:00 AM, Ulrich Bangert wrote:
 
  Gentlemen,
 
  I know this one has been asked a few years before but I give it 
  another
  try:
 
  Has anyone of you a Stanford Research FS700 schematic 
 available that 
  he can share with me?
 
  Best regards
 
  Ulrich Bangert
  www.ulrich-bangert.de
  Ortholzer Weg 1
  27243 Gross Ippener
 
 
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Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic

2010-11-23 Thread Ulrich Bangert
This: sours should of course read: source

 -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
 Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com 
 [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von Ulrich Bangert
 Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. November 2010 18:32
 An: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
 Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic
 
 
 Hi Paul,
 
  If you are using something different then an active
  antennathat draws current. You need a 470 ohm resistor to 
  ground at the antenna bnc.The system sense current being 
  drawn both high and low.
 
 Yes, this is understood. My antenna coupler for the W3 
 includes a 560 Ohm resistor and Frank has found out that even 
 a 1 K resistor is accepted as a functioning active antenna. 
 My active loop draws some 8 mA from the center conductor and 
 is therefore accepted as a functioning active antenna too.
 
 If the mysterious action has taken place it seems indeed as 
 if the the receiver gain is set to a very low if not zero 
 value. This is well understood because SRS says: If the 1 dB 
 condition is met the receiver stops action, so setting the 
 gain to zero or so may be a natural result of this. The big 
 question is: What has happened before that makes the receiver 
 THINK that this condition is met? Franks and mine receiver 
 doing literally the same seems to indicate that the sours is 
 the same for both of them.
 
 Best regards
 Ulrich Bangert  
 
  -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
  Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com
  [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von paul swed
  Gesendet: Montag, 22. November 2010 23:34
  An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
  Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic
  
  
  Looked at the schematics front end is simple. Essentially op
  amps notch filters and most important electronic selectable 
  attenuators. Any of it could cause issues. But the good news 
  is a amplified loran signal is on the back of the unit so you 
  could look to see whats happening to the signal. Oh other big 
  point. If you are using something different then an active 
  antennathat draws current. You need a 470 ohm resistor to 
  ground at the antenna bnc.The system sense current being 
  drawn both high and low. Regards Paul.
  
  On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 1:46 PM, paul swed
  paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   My thats a reasonable answer indeed.
  
  
   On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Stan, W1LE 
 stanw...@verizon.net
   wrote:
  
   It is not just one page.   What are you specifically 
 looking for ?
   Most sheets are B size ( double A size).
  
   I got the complete manual from SRS for ~35$
  
   Stan, W1LE
  
  
  
   On 11/22/2010 10:00 AM, Ulrich Bangert wrote:
  
   Gentlemen,
  
   I know this one has been asked a few years before but I give it
   another
   try:
  
   Has anyone of you a Stanford Research FS700 schematic
  available that
   he can share with me?
  
   Best regards
  
   Ulrich Bangert
   www.ulrich-bangert.de
   Ortholzer Weg 1
   27243 Gross Ippener
  
  
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Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic

2010-11-23 Thread paul swed
Not a problem on spelling especially if tired.
The problem you are running into is really curious indeed.
Since we have no LORAN C in N A anymore. I can only use the loran simulator
to drive the FS700 and that works very well. I have the antenuator in the
simulator at -55 db as I recall to simulate the signal I used to get from
the 9960 chain. Literally have no problem at all as you have run into.
I did put the eproms on the K04bb site for safe keeping. Maybe software
vintage?
Regards

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Ulrich Bangert df...@ulrich-bangert.dewrote:

 This: sours should of course read: source

  -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
  Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com
  [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von Ulrich Bangert
  Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. November 2010 18:32
  An: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
  Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic
 
 
  Hi Paul,
 
   If you are using something different then an active
   antennathat draws current. You need a 470 ohm resistor to
   ground at the antenna bnc.The system sense current being
   drawn both high and low.
 
  Yes, this is understood. My antenna coupler for the W3
  includes a 560 Ohm resistor and Frank has found out that even
  a 1 K resistor is accepted as a functioning active antenna.
  My active loop draws some 8 mA from the center conductor and
  is therefore accepted as a functioning active antenna too.
 
  If the mysterious action has taken place it seems indeed as
  if the the receiver gain is set to a very low if not zero
  value. This is well understood because SRS says: If the 1 dB
  condition is met the receiver stops action, so setting the
  gain to zero or so may be a natural result of this. The big
  question is: What has happened before that makes the receiver
  THINK that this condition is met? Franks and mine receiver
  doing literally the same seems to indicate that the sours is
  the same for both of them.
 
  Best regards
  Ulrich Bangert
 
   -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
   Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com
   [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von paul swed
   Gesendet: Montag, 22. November 2010 23:34
   An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
   Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic
  
  
   Looked at the schematics front end is simple. Essentially op
   amps notch filters and most important electronic selectable
   attenuators. Any of it could cause issues. But the good news
   is a amplified loran signal is on the back of the unit so you
   could look to see whats happening to the signal. Oh other big
   point. If you are using something different then an active
   antennathat draws current. You need a 470 ohm resistor to
   ground at the antenna bnc.The system sense current being
   drawn both high and low. Regards Paul.
  
   On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 1:46 PM, paul swed
   paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:
  
My thats a reasonable answer indeed.
   
   
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Stan, W1LE
  stanw...@verizon.net
wrote:
   
It is not just one page.   What are you specifically
  looking for ?
Most sheets are B size ( double A size).
   
I got the complete manual from SRS for ~35$
   
Stan, W1LE
   
   
   
On 11/22/2010 10:00 AM, Ulrich Bangert wrote:
   
Gentlemen,
   
I know this one has been asked a few years before but I give it
another
try:
   
Has anyone of you a Stanford Research FS700 schematic
   available that
he can share with me?
   
Best regards
   
Ulrich Bangert
www.ulrich-bangert.de
Ortholzer Weg 1
27243 Gross Ippener
   
   
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[time-nuts] FS700 schematic

2010-11-22 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Gentlemen,

I know this one has been asked a few years before but I give it another try:

Has anyone of you a Stanford Research FS700 schematic available that he can
share with me?

Best regards

Ulrich Bangert
www.ulrich-bangert.de
Ortholzer Weg 1
27243 Gross Ippener 


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Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic

2010-11-22 Thread paul swed
I have the manual and a working FS700 now. Maybe able to copy several pages.
Need to find a scanner for 11X14, and not sure when I can do that.
What problem are you having and perhaps we should take this offline.
Regards
Paul.
WB8TSL


On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Ulrich Bangert df...@ulrich-bangert.dewrote:

 Gentlemen,

 I know this one has been asked a few years before but I give it another
 try:

 Has anyone of you a Stanford Research FS700 schematic available that he can
 share with me?

 Best regards

 Ulrich Bangert
 www.ulrich-bangert.de
 Ortholzer Weg 1
 27243 Gross Ippener


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Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic

2010-11-22 Thread EB4APL

Paul,

You can do it in a common scanner in two parts, then using any graphics 
editor (i.e. Photoshop) rotate one of the files until they match and 
paste both.  I do it routinelly with all my oversize schematics.  Or 
just scan and let someone do the assembly (I can volunteer for some).


Regards,
Ignacio, EB4APL

El 22/11/2010 17:37, paul swed wrote:

I have the manual and a working FS700 now. Maybe able to copy several pages.
Need to find a scanner for 11X14, and not sure when I can do that.
What problem are you having and perhaps we should take this offline.
Regards
Paul.
WB8TSL


On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Ulrich Bangertdf...@ulrich-bangert.dewrote:


Gentlemen,

I know this one has been asked a few years before but I give it another
try:

Has anyone of you a Stanford Research FS700 schematic available that he can
share with me?

Best regards

Ulrich Bangert
www.ulrich-bangert.de
Ortholzer Weg 1
27243 Gross Ippener


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Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic

2010-11-22 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Paul,

I just received an answer fom TVB. Before you engage in any kind of business
concerning the copies let us wait whether Tom has the schematics.

73s de Ulrich, DF6JB

 -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
 Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com 
 [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von paul swed
 Gesendet: Montag, 22. November 2010 17:38
 An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
 Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic
 
 
 I have the manual and a working FS700 now. Maybe able to copy 
 several pages. Need to find a scanner for 11X14, and not sure 
 when I can do that. What problem are you having and perhaps 
 we should take this offline. Regards Paul. WB8TSL
 
 
 On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Ulrich Bangert 
 df...@ulrich-bangert.dewrote:
 
  Gentlemen,
 
  I know this one has been asked a few years before but I give it 
  another
  try:
 
  Has anyone of you a Stanford Research FS700 schematic 
 available that 
  he can share with me?
 
  Best regards
 
  Ulrich Bangert
  www.ulrich-bangert.de
  Ortholzer Weg 1
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Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic

2010-11-22 Thread Stan, W1LE

It is not just one page.   What are you specifically looking for ?
Most sheets are B size ( double A size).

I got the complete manual from SRS for ~35$

Stan, W1LE


On 11/22/2010 10:00 AM, Ulrich Bangert wrote:

Gentlemen,

I know this one has been asked a few years before but I give it another try:

Has anyone of you a Stanford Research FS700 schematic available that he can
share with me?

Best regards

Ulrich Bangert
www.ulrich-bangert.de
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27243 Gross Ippener


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Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic

2010-11-22 Thread paul swed
My thats a reasonable answer indeed.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote:

 It is not just one page.   What are you specifically looking for ?
 Most sheets are B size ( double A size).

 I got the complete manual from SRS for ~35$

 Stan, W1LE



 On 11/22/2010 10:00 AM, Ulrich Bangert wrote:

 Gentlemen,

 I know this one has been asked a few years before but I give it another
 try:

 Has anyone of you a Stanford Research FS700 schematic available that he
 can
 share with me?

 Best regards

 Ulrich Bangert
 www.ulrich-bangert.de
 Ortholzer Weg 1
 27243 Gross Ippener


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Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic

2010-11-22 Thread paul swed
Looked at the schematics front end is simple. Essentially op amps notch
filters and most important electronic selectable attenuators. Any of it
could cause issues. But the good news is a amplified loran signal is on the
back of the unit so you could look to see whats happening to the signal.
Oh other big point.
If you are using something different then an active antennathat draws
current. You need a 470 ohm resistor to ground at the antenna bnc.The system
sense current being drawn both high and low.
Regards
Paul.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 1:46 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:

 My thats a reasonable answer indeed.


 On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote:

 It is not just one page.   What are you specifically looking for ?
 Most sheets are B size ( double A size).

 I got the complete manual from SRS for ~35$

 Stan, W1LE



 On 11/22/2010 10:00 AM, Ulrich Bangert wrote:

 Gentlemen,

 I know this one has been asked a few years before but I give it another
 try:

 Has anyone of you a Stanford Research FS700 schematic available that he
 can
 share with me?

 Best regards

 Ulrich Bangert
 www.ulrich-bangert.de
 Ortholzer Weg 1
 27243 Gross Ippener


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