Re: [time-nuts] Faster-than-light neutrino result queried
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Robin Kimberley wrote: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15830844 You don't refute an experimental result by saying you can't explain it with current Physics. You refute it with another experimental result, or by pointing to a flaw in the experimental setup. The energy spectrum as seen by OPERA contained many more events than this one of ICARUS, so I don't see what's new about it. OTOH, if ICARUS can publish time-tagged events from the last 500ns-spaced bunched beam run, with an independent acquisition chain from that of OPERA, that would be very interesting. Cheers, Javier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Faster-than-light neutrino result queried
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15830844 Rob Kimberley ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Faster than light neutrino... again
Hello, A paper about has been published, entitled "Relativity accommodates superluminal mean velocities". According to the author, the surprise is not that the mean velocity measured for the neutrinos by the OPERA team is is greater than c, but the exceeding amount. "Contrarily to a widespread belief, measures of velocity can yield a value larger than c, the light speed in vacuum, without contradicting Einstein’s relativity. Nevertheless, the effect turns out to be too small to explain the recently claimed superluminal velocity by the OPERA collaboration." http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf//.0805v1.pdf Best regards, Javier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Faster than light neutrino
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: > El 23/09/2011 18:40, Chris Albertson escribió: >> >> If this result is confirmed it really changes things. but I'm more >> willing to bet they find some hidden error in the experiment. I hope >> they don't Physics needs to be shaken up. >> >> Now I wish I had taken classes like differential geometry and >> topology. My guess if this result holds is that neutrinos are taking >> a "short cut" and maybe don't see the curvature of space and take >> straight path, not noticing that there is gravity. >> >> >> > That would *really *shake the physics (and the concept of universe) :) A common proof technique in math is to assume X is true then show if it is then 1=0 or some other condition we know is wrong. So therefore X is not true. That is what I was getting at. Assume C is not a hard speed limit. Then what must be true? I'm sure something we currently believe to be not true is implied by this. Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Faster than light neutrino
El 23/09/2011 18:40, Chris Albertson escribió: If this result is confirmed it really changes things. but I'm more willing to bet they find some hidden error in the experiment. I hope they don't Physics needs to be shaken up. Now I wish I had taken classes like differential geometry and topology. My guess if this result holds is that neutrinos are taking a "short cut" and maybe don't see the curvature of space and take straight path, not noticing that there is gravity. That would *really *shake the physics (and the concept of universe) :) Regards, Javier -- Javier Herrero Chief Technology Officer EMAIL: jherr...@hvsistemas.com HV Sistemas S.L. PHONE: +34 949 336 806 Los Charcones, 17 FAX: +34 949 336 792 19170 El Casar - Guadalajara - Spain WEB: http://www.hvsistemas.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Faster than light neutrino
I read this in the newspaper today. The author of course did not understand the science. If this result is confirmed it really changes things. but I'm more willing to bet they find some hidden error in the experiment. I hope they don't Physics needs to be shaken up. Now I wish I had taken classes like differential geometry and topology. My guess if this result holds is that neutrinos are taking a "short cut" and maybe don't see the curvature of space and take straight path, not noticing that there is gravity. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Mark Sims wrote: > > I checked my neutrino detector yesterday and detected some of those faster > than light neutrions tomorrow ;-) > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Faster than light neutrino
I checked my neutrino detector yesterday and detected some of those faster than light neutrions tomorrow ;-) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
