Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixers
I uploaded the 10514 and 10534 mixer manuals to ko4bb site Bruce Griffiths wrote: Upload it to the manuals section of Didier's site: http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl Bruce ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixers
Upload it to the manuals section of Didier's site: http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl Bruce Brian Kirby wrote: The manual is about a megabyte - the list will not accept it. ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Is there a way you can post it on time-nuts? Thank you Bert Kehren In a message dated 3/30/2010 9:10:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kilodelta4foxm...@gmail.com writes: We'll the "A"s are the package with the BNC connector. The "B"s are for OEM equipment, they had 6 pins and a smaller plastic black case Turns out they have some of the lowest phase noise specs on record I can send the manual, if you like... Brian Mike Feher wrote: I do not believe that I am familiar with the 10514B. I probably have about 6 or so 10514As with BNC connectors (most in a metal case and a few in epoxy), and, I recall from about 40 years ago a 10514A that was a small little black cube with leads for mounting on a PC board. Naturally, I had to take one apart back then as that was the fun part. In the late 60's I designed a thick-film phase detector that was used in an ASW system, where I simply matched the hot carrier HP diodes for a fixed voltage drop at a given current. We also wound the toroids, and had an op-amp on the output. Wow, that was ages ago. Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixers
Would you mind sending it direct to me at _ewkeh...@aol.com_ (mailto:ewkeh...@aol.com) as an attachment? You know we are in the test phase of a Dual Mixer and we are also running tests with the 10514 A and B along with the SYPD-1. The next board will accept the footprint of the 10514 B. Bert In a message dated 3/31/2010 9:37:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kilodelta4foxm...@gmail.com writes: The manual is about a megabyte - the list will not accept it. ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: > Is there a way you can post it on time-nuts? > Thank you > Bert Kehren > > > In a message dated 3/30/2010 9:10:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > kilodelta4foxm...@gmail.com writes: > > We'll the "A"s are the package with the BNC connector. > > The "B"s are for OEM equipment, they had 6 pins and a smaller plastic > black case > > Turns out they have some of the lowest phase noise specs on record > > I can send the manual, if you like... > > Brian > > Mike Feher wrote: > >> I do not believe that I am familiar with the 10514B. I probably have >> > about 6 > >> or so 10514As with BNC connectors (most in a metal case and a few in >> > epoxy), > >> and, I recall from about 40 years ago a 10514A that was a small little >> > black > >> cube with leads for mounting on a PC board. Naturally, I had to take one >> apart back then as that was the fun part. In the late 60's I designed a >> thick-film phase detector that was used in an ASW system, where I simply >> matched the hot carrier HP diodes for a fixed voltage drop at a given >> current. We also wound the toroids, and had an op-amp on the output. Wow, >> that was ages ago. Regards - Mike >> >> Mike B. Feher, N4FS >> 89 Arnold Blvd. >> Howell, NJ, 07731 >> 732-886-5960 >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> >> > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixers
The manual is about a megabyte - the list will not accept it. ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Is there a way you can post it on time-nuts? Thank you Bert Kehren In a message dated 3/30/2010 9:10:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kilodelta4foxm...@gmail.com writes: We'll the "A"s are the package with the BNC connector. The "B"s are for OEM equipment, they had 6 pins and a smaller plastic black case Turns out they have some of the lowest phase noise specs on record I can send the manual, if you like... Brian Mike Feher wrote: I do not believe that I am familiar with the 10514B. I probably have about 6 or so 10514As with BNC connectors (most in a metal case and a few in epoxy), and, I recall from about 40 years ago a 10514A that was a small little black cube with leads for mounting on a PC board. Naturally, I had to take one apart back then as that was the fun part. In the late 60's I designed a thick-film phase detector that was used in an ASW system, where I simply matched the hot carrier HP diodes for a fixed voltage drop at a given current. We also wound the toroids, and had an op-amp on the output. Wow, that was ages ago. Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixers
Is there a way you can post it on time-nuts? Thank you Bert Kehren In a message dated 3/30/2010 9:10:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kilodelta4foxm...@gmail.com writes: We'll the "A"s are the package with the BNC connector. The "B"s are for OEM equipment, they had 6 pins and a smaller plastic black case Turns out they have some of the lowest phase noise specs on record I can send the manual, if you like... Brian Mike Feher wrote: > I do not believe that I am familiar with the 10514B. I probably have about 6 > or so 10514As with BNC connectors (most in a metal case and a few in epoxy), > and, I recall from about 40 years ago a 10514A that was a small little black > cube with leads for mounting on a PC board. Naturally, I had to take one > apart back then as that was the fun part. In the late 60's I designed a > thick-film phase detector that was used in an ASW system, where I simply > matched the hot carrier HP diodes for a fixed voltage drop at a given > current. We also wound the toroids, and had an op-amp on the output. Wow, > that was ages ago. Regards - Mike > > Mike B. Feher, N4FS > 89 Arnold Blvd. > Howell, NJ, 07731 > 732-886-5960 > > > > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixers
Hi I suspect that DC balance might well be important to a phase detector. Bob On Mar 30, 2010, at 9:35 PM, Mike Feher wrote: > Bob - > > At the time I was more interested in DC balance and not noise. The op-amp in > our application provided adequate isolation. For our application at the time > they worked great. Regards - Mike > > Mike B. Feher, N4FS > 89 Arnold Blvd. > Howell, NJ, 07731 > 732-886-5960 > > > > > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Bob Camp > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:25 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixers > > Hi > > The obvious question is weather you need a real good mixer to make a low > noise phase detector. > > Sorting the diodes as you did resulted in a mixer that performed at a > specific level. Better matching would have made it have more isolation as a > mixer, it might have helped the conversion loss by a fraction of a db. Would > it have also done something good for the phase detector characteristics? > > If the answer is "not really", then one could pick diodes for low 1/f noise > and do a simple match up on them. You might get some pretty good phase > detectors real cheap. > > Bob > > > On Mar 30, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Mike Feher wrote: > >> I do not believe that I am familiar with the 10514B. I probably have about > 6 >> or so 10514As with BNC connectors (most in a metal case and a few in > epoxy), >> and, I recall from about 40 years ago a 10514A that was a small little > black >> cube with leads for mounting on a PC board. Naturally, I had to take one >> apart back then as that was the fun part. In the late 60's I designed a >> thick-film phase detector that was used in an ASW system, where I simply >> matched the hot carrier HP diodes for a fixed voltage drop at a given >> current. We also wound the toroids, and had an op-amp on the output. Wow, >> that was ages ago. Regards - Mike >> >> Mike B. Feher, N4FS >> 89 Arnold Blvd. >> Howell, NJ, 07731 >> 732-886-5960 >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixers
Bob - At the time I was more interested in DC balance and not noise. The op-amp in our application provided adequate isolation. For our application at the time they worked great. Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:25 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixers Hi The obvious question is weather you need a real good mixer to make a low noise phase detector. Sorting the diodes as you did resulted in a mixer that performed at a specific level. Better matching would have made it have more isolation as a mixer, it might have helped the conversion loss by a fraction of a db. Would it have also done something good for the phase detector characteristics? If the answer is "not really", then one could pick diodes for low 1/f noise and do a simple match up on them. You might get some pretty good phase detectors real cheap. Bob On Mar 30, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Mike Feher wrote: > I do not believe that I am familiar with the 10514B. I probably have about 6 > or so 10514As with BNC connectors (most in a metal case and a few in epoxy), > and, I recall from about 40 years ago a 10514A that was a small little black > cube with leads for mounting on a PC board. Naturally, I had to take one > apart back then as that was the fun part. In the late 60's I designed a > thick-film phase detector that was used in an ASW system, where I simply > matched the hot carrier HP diodes for a fixed voltage drop at a given > current. We also wound the toroids, and had an op-amp on the output. Wow, > that was ages ago. Regards - Mike > > Mike B. Feher, N4FS > 89 Arnold Blvd. > Howell, NJ, 07731 > 732-886-5960 > > > > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixers
Hi The obvious question is weather you need a real good mixer to make a low noise phase detector. Sorting the diodes as you did resulted in a mixer that performed at a specific level. Better matching would have made it have more isolation as a mixer, it might have helped the conversion loss by a fraction of a db. Would it have also done something good for the phase detector characteristics? If the answer is "not really", then one could pick diodes for low 1/f noise and do a simple match up on them. You might get some pretty good phase detectors real cheap. Bob On Mar 30, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Mike Feher wrote: > I do not believe that I am familiar with the 10514B. I probably have about 6 > or so 10514As with BNC connectors (most in a metal case and a few in epoxy), > and, I recall from about 40 years ago a 10514A that was a small little black > cube with leads for mounting on a PC board. Naturally, I had to take one > apart back then as that was the fun part. In the late 60's I designed a > thick-film phase detector that was used in an ASW system, where I simply > matched the hot carrier HP diodes for a fixed voltage drop at a given > current. We also wound the toroids, and had an op-amp on the output. Wow, > that was ages ago. Regards - Mike > > Mike B. Feher, N4FS > 89 Arnold Blvd. > Howell, NJ, 07731 > 732-886-5960 > > > > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixers
Appreciate that info. That means the small cubes I remember were "B"s. I bet I may still have one or two someplace downstairs. Thanks - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kirby Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:11 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixers We'll the "A"s are the package with the BNC connector. The "B"s are for OEM equipment, they had 6 pins and a smaller plastic black case Turns out they have some of the lowest phase noise specs on record I can send the manual, if you like... Brian Mike Feher wrote: > I do not believe that I am familiar with the 10514B. I probably have about 6 > or so 10514As with BNC connectors (most in a metal case and a few in epoxy), > and, I recall from about 40 years ago a 10514A that was a small little black > cube with leads for mounting on a PC board. Naturally, I had to take one > apart back then as that was the fun part. In the late 60's I designed a > thick-film phase detector that was used in an ASW system, where I simply > matched the hot carrier HP diodes for a fixed voltage drop at a given > current. We also wound the toroids, and had an op-amp on the output. Wow, > that was ages ago. Regards - Mike > > Mike B. Feher, N4FS > 89 Arnold Blvd. > Howell, NJ, 07731 > 732-886-5960 > > > > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixers
We'll the "A"s are the package with the BNC connector. The "B"s are for OEM equipment, they had 6 pins and a smaller plastic black case Turns out they have some of the lowest phase noise specs on record I can send the manual, if you like... Brian Mike Feher wrote: I do not believe that I am familiar with the 10514B. I probably have about 6 or so 10514As with BNC connectors (most in a metal case and a few in epoxy), and, I recall from about 40 years ago a 10514A that was a small little black cube with leads for mounting on a PC board. Naturally, I had to take one apart back then as that was the fun part. In the late 60's I designed a thick-film phase detector that was used in an ASW system, where I simply matched the hot carrier HP diodes for a fixed voltage drop at a given current. We also wound the toroids, and had an op-amp on the output. Wow, that was ages ago. Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] HP10514B Mixers
I do not believe that I am familiar with the 10514B. I probably have about 6 or so 10514As with BNC connectors (most in a metal case and a few in epoxy), and, I recall from about 40 years ago a 10514A that was a small little black cube with leads for mounting on a PC board. Naturally, I had to take one apart back then as that was the fun part. In the late 60's I designed a thick-film phase detector that was used in an ASW system, where I simply matched the hot carrier HP diodes for a fixed voltage drop at a given current. We also wound the toroids, and had an op-amp on the output. Wow, that was ages ago. Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
