Re: [time-nuts] Internal 5 volt switching regulator on some non-programmable FE-5680A's

2012-01-09 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:01 PM, David davidwh...@gmail.com wrote:


 If noise was so important I wonder why they did not use a lower noise
 switching regulator or the LT1375 which supports oscillator
 synchronization.


Maybe noise WAS  important, so they removed the regulator altogether.  That
would fixed the noise problem 100% and save $3 in parts.

The other reason to remove the regulator is just to save the $3.


Chris Albertson
Redondo Beach, California
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Re: [time-nuts] Internal 5 volt switching regulator on some non-programmable FE-5680A's

2012-01-09 Thread Peter Gottlieb
 I suspect the reason was far simpler:  5 volts was available in the system, 
why not use it and take the small amount of heat out of the box.  There would 
also be a reliability improvement, one less regulator per freq standard.

I bet the cost of the regulator is insignificant compared to the unit itself.

 
 
On 01/09/12, Chris Albertsonalbertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote:
 
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:01 PM, David davidwh...@gmail.com wrote:


 If noise was so important I wonder why they did not use a lower noise
 switching regulator or the LT1375 which supports oscillator
 synchronization.


Maybe noise WAS important, so they removed the regulator altogether. That
would fixed the noise problem 100% and save $3 in parts.

The other reason to remove the regulator is just to save the $3.


Chris Albertson
Redondo Beach, California
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[time-nuts] Internal 5 volt switching regulator on some non-programmable FE-5680A's

2012-01-08 Thread Clint Turner

Hello,

After posting a few days ago about one of my '5680A's having the voltage 
converter installed - but not connected - I've done a bit of 
reverse-engineering and sleuthing around and (probably) have a fairly 
complete picture of what it would take to populate that section of the 
board.  That information may be found here:


http://ka7oei.com/10_MHz_Rubidium_FE-5680A.html

This page is a work in progress, using my LPRO-101 page as a template 
and unashamedly stealing a good chunk of its content - most of which is 
directly applicable, anyway!


Note that I haven't done the board population myself and there *may* be 
additional jumpers that need to be added/removed - or, as I suggest, one 
could avoid that problem and simply connect to known V+ and +5 volt 
points instead.


If you happen to have one of those boards with the installed (but not 
connected) regulator, information is also included on which two jumpers 
I needed to add to enable it:  Again, YMMV, DNTHFB, etc...


If anyone populates their own board, please let me know how it worked out.

I add this mostly out of interest expressed by a few others that emailed 
me.  It's no doubt far easier/cheaper to simply add an outboard 7805 (or 
switching converter) than populate the board, but hey, why not?


73,

Clint
KA7OEI


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Re: [time-nuts] Internal 5 volt switching regulator on some non-programmable FE-5680A's

2012-01-08 Thread Orin Eman
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Clint Turner tur...@ussc.com wrote:

 Hello,

 After posting a few days ago about one of my '5680A's having the voltage
 converter installed - but not connected - I've done a bit of
 reverse-engineering and sleuthing around and (probably) have a fairly
 complete picture of what it would take to populate that section of the
 board.  That information may be found here:

 http://ka7oei.com/10_MHz_**Rubidium_FE-5680A.htmlhttp://ka7oei.com/10_MHz_Rubidium_FE-5680A.html

 This page is a work in progress, using my LPRO-101 page as a template and
 unashamedly stealing a good chunk of its content - most of which is
 directly applicable, anyway!




Are you sure about those resistor values?   They look like 5.11K and 5.62K
(standard 1% values) to me.


Orin, KJ7HQ.
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Re: [time-nuts] Internal 5 volt switching regulator on some non-programmable FE-5680A's

2012-01-08 Thread David
On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 14:23:02 -0800, Orin Eman orin.e...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Clint Turner tur...@ussc.com wrote:

 Hello,

 After posting a few days ago about one of my '5680A's having the voltage
 converter installed - but not connected - I've done a bit of
 reverse-engineering and sleuthing around and (probably) have a fairly
 complete picture of what it would take to populate that section of the
 board.  That information may be found here:

 http://ka7oei.com/10_MHz_**Rubidium_FE-5680A.htmlhttp://ka7oei.com/10_MHz_Rubidium_FE-5680A.html

 This page is a work in progress, using my LPRO-101 page as a template and
 unashamedly stealing a good chunk of its content - most of which is
 directly applicable, anyway!


Are you sure about those resistor values?   They look like 5.11K and 5.62K
(standard 1% values) to me.

I agree. Besides not requiring rare and expensive 4 significant digit
precision resistors which just happen to match the marking of the
standard 1% resistors, the nonstandard 12.95K and 11.15K on the
schematic would yield 5.23 volts.  5.62K and 5.11K will yield 5.08
volts from the nominal 2.42 volt reference on the LT1376.  The 5 volt
resistor selection in the data sheet would have been closer but maybe
they wanted the extra 7 millivolts or were compensating for the
feedback bias pin current.

If noise was so important I wonder why they did not use a lower noise
switching regulator or the LT1375 which supports oscillator
synchronization.

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Re: [time-nuts] Internal 5 volt switching regulator on some non-programmable FE-5680A's

2012-01-08 Thread Clint Turner

Hi,


Are you sure about those resistor values?   They look like 5.11K and 5.62K 
(standard 1% values) to me.


Whoops - you are right:  In squinting at the board I'd thought about turning 
the thing 180 degrees since the numbers look believable either way!  These two 
5k-ish values are more in line with the values called out in the data sheet for 
the '1376 (4.99k/5.36k).

I look forward to hearing from someone who might take on populating these 
components on the board and what they find.

73,

Clint
KA7OEI





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