Re: [time-nuts] lady heather on headless linux box

[Bob Darlington]

Works fine.

I'm running RHEL6 and had to add -rlt to the linker line in the makefile
(and no additional changes), as well as do a yum install libX11-devel (and
install the dependencies yum wanted me to install).

Douglas Bercich is exactly right, you need the X11 dev libraries installed
even if you're headless without X11.

-Bob N3XKB


On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 6:39 AM, jimlux  wrote:

> Looking over the readme, it looks like LH uses X11.
> Does that mean that if I build it, and run an Xserver on a box, I can run
> LH on another (headless) box via ssh?
>
> I'm not sure I want to start down this path, so just curious if that's how
> it works.
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Re: [time-nuts] lady heather on headless linux box

[Douglas Bercich]

Disclaimer: my only experience with LH is on a Windows box, but I have a lot of 
experience pushing bits around on Unix platforms. So, here goes the 5000’ 
overview...

On the LH box:
It can be headless, but needs all the X11 dependencies that make LH work; 
supporting libraries, etc. it does NOT need an actual X server or GUI 
installed. 

On the remote box:
You need an X Server installed and obviously graphical capability. Then the 
procedure - generally - is to ssh into the LH box with X11 forwarding enabled. 
Then you execute LH and it’s display shows up on the remote box. There are 
security details with this; you’ll probably need to type a command to allow the 
LH box to connect to your X server. 

There are other ways of making the connection using xdm and such as well. It 
really depends on what exactly you’re dealing with. 


> On Apr 20, 2018, at 7:39 AM, jimlux  wrote:
> 
> Looking over the readme, it looks like LH uses X11.
> Does that mean that if I build it, and run an Xserver on a box, I can run LH 
> on another (headless) box via ssh?
> 
> I'm not sure I want to start down this path, so just curious if that's how it 
> works.
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[time-nuts] lady heather on headless linux box

[jimlux]

Looking over the readme, it looks like LH uses X11.
Does that mean that if I build it, and run an Xserver on a box, I can 
run LH on another (headless) box via ssh?


I'm not sure I want to start down this path, so just curious if that's 
how it works.

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[time-nuts] Lady Heather Chart traces with Different Colors

[CORNACCHIA via time-nuts]

 Can anybody Explain the operation of the chart in Lady Heather especially the 
colors what they represent.Thank You
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather BST command line question

[Chris Wilson]

Hello,


Thank  you  Mark,  I  had not put the zero in front of /GMT/BST and it
obviously  needed  that  as it's now working fine, many thanks for the
great software!


on 01/04/2018 08:51  you wrote:


> Ooops,  that should have been /b=2 to select the European time zone rule!
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-- 
   Best Regards,
   Chris Wilson.

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[time-nuts] Lady Heather BST command line question

[Mark Sims]

Ooops,  that should have been /b=2 to select the European time zone rule!
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather BST command line question

[Mark Sims]

Try:
/b=1   (sets European time change rule)
/tz=0GMT/BST (sets time zone offset and names... and thats the number 0, 
not the letter O)

It should then automatically switch between the time and time zone names 
according to the rule.  For non-standard places, you can specify a custom rule. 
  Check the comments at the start of heather.cpp for details (search for 
"daylight")
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather BST command line question

[Chris Wilson]

  01/04/2018 06:10

I  am struggling to make LH show the time in British Summer Time. I can
get it to show UTC, but not with the BST offfset. Could someone please
give  me  the  exact  start  up  command  line  to  add to the Windows
properties box please?

Will  it then automatically revert to GMT at the end of the BST offset?
Thanks!

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[time-nuts] Lady Heather v6.0 supported devices

[Mark Sims]

I have received several requests for a list of devices currently supported by 
the v6.0 Beta of Lady Heather:

 GPS Receivers:
Jupiter-T  (aka Zodiac)
Furuno GT-8031 ($PFEC commands ... not yet tested)
GPSD interface (mainly a Linux thing - provides a shared read-only
   interface to numerous GPS devices)
Motorola binary 
NMEA
Sirf binary
NVS binary (115200:8:N:1)
Trimble TSIP binary receivers
Trimble TAIP receivers
Trimble SV6/SV8/ACE-III
Trimble Accutime / Palisade receivers
Ublox UBX binary 
Venus mixed binary / NMEA

 GPSDO's (GPS disciplined oscillators):
Brandywine GPS-4 GPSDO
DATUM STARLOC II GPSDO - inferior wannabe Thunderbolt - buggy firmware
Jackson Labs LTE Lite
Lucent RFTG-m GPSDO
Lucent KS24361 REF0/Z3811A  Z3812A
NEC GPSDO ... STAR-4 compatible at 115,200 baud
UCCM - Trimble / Symmetricom GPSDOs
Oscilloquartz STAR-4 GPSDO (management interface)
Oscilloquartz OSA-453x GPSDO
SCPI - Nortel telecom GPSDOs like NTWB and NTPX in SCPI mode
SCPI (Z3801A/Z3815/Z3816/etc style)
SCPI (HP5 style)
TruePosition GPS
Trimble TSIP binary GPSDOs (like the Thunderbolt and numerous 
  "telecom" GPSDOs.
Zyfer Nanosync 380 (19200:8:N:1)

Atomic frequency references:
   HP 5071A cesium beam oscillator
   Spectratime/Temex LPFRS rubidium 
   Spectratime SRO100/SRO70 rubidium 
   SRS PRS-10 rubidium oscillator
   Symmetricom SA22 rubidium (60 Mhz and 58.9824 MHz ref freq)
   Symmetricom X72 rubidium
   Symmetricom X99 rubidium

Clocks:
   Acron Zeit WWVB receiver
   Gravity/solid earth tide clock (uses system clock to display 
  solid earth tides and gravity offset,  Requires manual entry
  of latitude/longitude/altitude)
   No receiver, uses system clock. 

Time and frequency counters:
   Generic frequency/time interval counters
   HP531xx counters
   PICPET simple timestamping interval counter chip
   TAPR TICC time interval counter

Misc:
   Simple terminal emulator

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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather v6.0 Beta for Windows .EXE file

[wa2...@gmail.com]

I have gotten around the EXE mailing problem by changing the file extension.  
You could use EXX, for example, before attaching it to the email.  When the 
file is received, the recipient just saves the file with an EXE extension.
I recommend running your antivirus program's file scanner on the received file 
before using it.

KenWA2LBILG G6

-- Original message--From: Mark SimsDate: Thu, Feb 22, 2018 23:05To: 
time-nuts@febo.com;Cc: Subject:[time-nuts] Lady Heather v6.0 Beta for Windows 
.EXE file
I have had a LOT of requests for the Windows version of the latest version 
(v6.0 Beta) of Lady Heather for Windows.   Unfortunately aggressive blocking of 
.exe files by ISPs makes it very hard to email the .exe file (even password 
protected .zip files get blocked).  Also very few Windows users seem to be able 
to compile the code.

I've put a copy of the Windows .exe and documentation comments on EEVBLOG:
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/lady-heather-v6-beta-for-windows-exe/msg1434005/#msg1434005

This is just the .exe  To use it you will need to have v5.0 installed and 
working (from ke5fx.com) and replace the v5.0 heather.exe file with this one 
(backup your old .exe first).

This version supports LOTs of new devices (including TruePosition, PRS10, X72, 
and SA22.c devices) and has a lot of new features.  Check the heather.txt file 
for the command line options for selecting your device type and the new 
features.
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather v6.0 Beta for Windows .EXE file

[David J Taylor via time-nuts]

From: Mark Sims

[]
I've put a copy of the Windows .exe and documentation comments on EEVBLOG:
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/lady-heather-v6-beta-for-windows-exe/msg1434005/#msg1434005
[]


Thanks!

David
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather v6.0 Beta for Windows .EXE file

[Mark Sims]

I have had a LOT of requests for the Windows version of the latest version 
(v6.0 Beta) of Lady Heather for Windows.   Unfortunately aggressive blocking of 
.exe files by ISPs makes it very hard to email the .exe file (even password 
protected .zip files get blocked).  Also very few Windows users seem to be able 
to compile the code.

I've put a copy of the Windows .exe and documentation comments on EEVBLOG:
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/lady-heather-v6-beta-for-windows-exe/msg1434005/#msg1434005

This is just the .exe  To use it you will need to have v5.0 installed and 
working (from ke5fx.com) and replace the v5.0 heather.exe file with this one 
(backup your old .exe first).

This version supports LOTs of new devices (including TruePosition, PRS10, X72, 
and SA22.c devices) and has a lot of new features.  Check the heather.txt file 
for the command line options for selecting your device type and the new 
features.
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather Question

[Mark Sims]

There are two types of Oscilloquartz GPSDOs appearing on Ebay:

For now, I would avoid the OSA-4530.  I have been unable to talk to it.  The 
version being sold now may have  non-standard firmware.   All commands return 
an "unknown command" error.

The Oscilloquartz GPSDOs that use the Star-4 module work well with Lady 
Heather.  The first versions that were released needed some modification to 
connect the "management interface" to the RS-232 port, but the later versions 
have the mod. 



> Or would it be better to buy the OscilloquartzOSA-4530 GPSDO and use LH?
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Question

[W7SLS]

Hi Perrier,

I have one of these (or it appears to be identical):  GPSDO Symmetricom Inside 
GPS10MHz 1PPS GPS Disciplined Clock & GPS Ant Display Refurbished $209.99  

LH works connects and appears to work fine with it.

Caveats: 
no idea if the “insides” of all of those apparently identical 
devices are in fact the same
I’m relatively new to this group  (months, not years)
I don’t know anything about the OscilloquartzOSA-4530 GPSDO

Good Luck & HNY
Scott

> On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Perry Sandeen via time-nuts  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I received an unexpected lost money just at Christmas time.
> I had my eye on a GPSDO Symmetricom Inside GPS10MHz 1PPS GPS Disciplined 
> Clock & GPS Ant Display Refurbished $209.99  radioshackus.
> It has a LCD display the shows some sat data.
> At his time I'm not planning on running Lady Heather but might want to in the 
> future.
> My question is can I still run LH from the RS232 port?
> Or would it be better to buy the OscilloquartzOSA-4530 GPSDO and use LH?
> Regards,
> Perrier
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather Question

[Perry Sandeen via time-nuts]

Hi,
I received an unexpected lost money just at Christmas time.
I had my eye on a GPSDO Symmetricom Inside GPS10MHz 1PPS GPS Disciplined Clock 
& GPS Ant Display Refurbished $209.99  radioshackus.
It has a LCD display the shows some sat data.
At his time I'm not planning on running Lady Heather but might want to in the 
future.
My question is can I still run LH from the RS232 port?
Or would it be better to buy the OscilloquartzOSA-4530 GPSDO and use LH?
Regards,
Perrier

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[time-nuts] Lady Heather Makes a Discovery

[Peter Putnam]

Greetings,

I've been tuning up a new Trimble/Nortel NTGS50AA GPSDO and discovered 
an interesting phenomenon:


Barometric pressure has a larger effect on the device than day-to-day 
temperature variations.


In the attached plot, DAC scaling is 500 uV and TEMP scaling is 5000 
milli-degC per division. A plot of local barometric pressure, stretched 
to match the time frame, was photoshopped over the Lady Heather display. 
The OXCO is marked 34310-T2.


A Trimble/Nortel NTBW50AA (with oscillator "O") running nearby doesn't 
show any significant sensitivity to temperature or pressure.


Regards,
Peter



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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather newb questions

[W7SLS]

Mark,

Thanks.  I think I got it:  

> Tcor, UNC

Lady Heather happily posts cryptic messages from the device!

> TFOM, FFOM

Yup, I found them in the Z3801A manual.

Appreciate the help.  Will look for (maybe I have) the (or a) Symmetricom 
manual.

Scott


> On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:55 AM, Mark Sims  wrote:
> 
> Generally the best way to figure out what some cryptic Heather parameter is 
> is to consult the manual for the device and see if you can find something 
> similar to the label... you do have an extensive Symmetricom GPSDO manual, 
> don't you?  ;-) If Heather sees a wiggly value in a message , it tends to 
> get plotted. 
> 
> UNC is the holdover uncertainty... how much the time is expected to drift 
> over 24 hours without signal.  The value should go down as the GPSDO learns 
> the oscillator behavior.
> 
> TCOR is,  uhh,  tcorr.  Yeah, that's the ticket... obvious...   It's some 
> value in a status message that wiggles around.  It shows up in a status 
> message with the header "TEMP COR".   I assume it's the frequency adjustment 
> made due to temperature.
> 
> TFOM and FFOM are pretty standard GPSDO parameters.  Time figure of merit and 
> frequency figure of merit. I think the telecom industry sort of standardized 
> them. The HP Z3801A manual talks about them. 
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather newb questions

[W7SLS]

Hello,

Thanks for the great discussions on this group, and the work of all who brought 
Lady Heather to us.

I hope it is acceptable to ask some newbie questions?

What works:
Lady Heather installs, connects, and runs fine.
I’m comfortable with the command line interface.

What I’m curious about:
Where can I get more information about some of the abbreviation on the 
main screen?
For example:
Tcor  (corrected time?)
UNC (?)
I searched w/o success for those terms on the web, within this group 
archives, and in, for example, HP Zxxx manuals.

I’m also curious about my specific GPSDO.  It is a Symmetricom, inside a small 
enclosure with a display ($150 / eBay).
Specifically, even though I am not sure what UNC is, my guess is that 
63k us  (= 63 ms) is not good.
Still, my (uncalibrated) Tek scopes and Agilent frequency meter say it 
is “10 MHz”
TFOM looks OK (@ 2)
I’ve not measured the cable length
I’ve had the GPSDO connected for maybe 24 hours.

Thank you for considering.

Scott
W7SLS

PS: Not sure whether a screen shot will make it to the group, but here goes.
PPS:  Yes, I obscured the specific lat/lon (but yes, I know there is enough 
info to find out anyway)
PPPS:  house blocks Northern sky

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[time-nuts] Lady Heather newb questions

[Mark Sims]

Generally the best way to figure out what some cryptic Heather parameter is is 
to consult the manual for the device and see if you can find something similar 
to the label... you do have an extensive Symmetricom GPSDO manual, don't you?  
;-) If Heather sees a wiggly value in a message , it tends to get plotted. 

UNC is the holdover uncertainty... how much the time is expected to drift over 
24 hours without signal.  The value should go down as the GPSDO learns the 
oscillator behavior.

TCOR is,  uhh,  tcorr.  Yeah, that's the ticket... obvious...   It's some value 
in a status message that wiggles around.  It shows up in a status message with 
the header "TEMP COR".   I assume it's the frequency adjustment made due to 
temperature.

TFOM and FFOM are pretty standard GPSDO parameters.  Time figure of merit and 
frequency figure of merit. I think the telecom industry sort of standardized 
them. The HP Z3801A manual talks about them. 
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather newb questions

[W7SLS]

Hello,

Thanks for the great discussions on this group, and the work of all who brought 
Lady Heather to us.

I hope it is acceptable to ask some newbie questions?

What works:
Lady Heather installs, connects, and runs fine.
I’m comfortable with the command line interface.

What I’m curious about:
Where can I get more information about some of the abbreviation on the 
main screen?
For example:
Tcor  (corrected time?)
UNC (?)
I searched w/o success for those terms on the web, within this group 
archives, and in, for example, HP Zxxx manuals.

I’m also curious about my specific GPSDO.  It is a Symmetricom, inside a small 
enclosure with a display ($150 / eBay).
Specifically, even though I am not sure what UNC is, my guess is that 
63k us  (= 63 ms) is not good.
Still, my (uncalibrated) Tek scopes and Agilent frequency meter say it 
is “10 MHz”
TFOM looks OK (@ 2)
I’ve not measured the cable length
I’ve had the GPSDO connected for maybe 24 hours.

Thank you for considering.

Scott
W7SLS

PS: Not sure whether a screen shot will make it to the group, but here goes.
PPS:  Yes, I obscured the specific lat/lon (but yes, I know there is enough 
info to find out anyway)
PPPS:  house blocks Northern sky




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[time-nuts] Lady Heather DST change

[Mark Sims]

Lady Heather did the change, but triggered a hour early.  D'oh!

A while back I changed the way Heather kept dates and times internally from 
separate hh,mm,ss,month,day,year variables to keeping all times as double 
precision Julian dates.   That change caused the DST code to not account for 
the fact that the DST correction was active before the fall change.   Issue has 
now been fixed.



> Anyone else have a clock that missed dst change?
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather Crashing with Skipped Time Stamps and Changing Receiver Modes

[Mark Sims]

Another possibility is some code that attempts to detect a Datum Starloc 
receiver.  These look like Thunderbolts, but have VERY buggy firmware.   If 
Heather sees a condition where all satellites are being reported at az/el = 0,  
Heather sets a flag that the device is a Starloc and attempts to work around 
the firmware bugs (the Starloc does not calculate sat az/el info and always 
sends 0,0).

I noticed that in the log dump that the problem started when the receiver was 
tracking only 3 satellites.   Perhaps your antenna is not very good and that 
caused a signal dropout and  the Tbolt started sending null satellite position 
info and that triggered the Starloc (aka Craploc) mode.  The next version of 
Heather tightens up the constraints for Starloc detection and also only will 
switch modes if the receiver type has been auto-detected...  there is now a 
receiver type setting that forces Starloc mode.

---

> Attached is the log and it seems that the end near the crash begins with 
> skipped time stamps and
changes in receiver mode.
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather 5.00 doesn't keep time

[Mark Sims]

Looking at the log file, it looks like the receiver is sending garbage data.

I have some USB dongles with a (supposedly) Prolific PL23xx chip in them.   
After, typically a day or two, they start sending corrupted data.   I think the 
problem showed up after installing some program that updated the driver.
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather 5.00 doesn't keep time

[Majdi S. Abbas]

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:58:53AM +, JULIAN TOPOLSKI wrote:
> Checking with WWV on the radio, the WSJTX clock is right on but LH 
> is off by some 20 seconds. Is there a bug in LH5.00? Is there an 
> option I didn't set? The 3.1 version worked without any special 
> options other than full screen and digital clock selected.

"some 20 seconds" sounds a lot like the 18 second difference
between the GPS timescale and UTC.

Check and ensure your receiver is set to produce UTC if that's
what you expect.

--msa
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather 5.00 doesn't keep time

[JULIAN TOPOLSKI]

I installed version 5.00 of Lady Heather as the 3.1 version was affected by the 
GPS Rollover. It stopped displaying the digital clock which I used as a station 
clock for my ham radio logging. So I installed and ran version 5.00, specifying 
the digital clock. It worked for a while with correct time as I compared it to 
the digital clock display in the WSJTX software GUI. I haven't determined how 
long it takes but it is in the range of 5 or 10 minutes and then I notice a 
difference between the clocks. Checking with WWV on the radio, the WSJTX clock 
is right on but LH is off by some 20 seconds. Is there a bug in LH5.00? Is 
there an option I didn't set? The 3.1 version worked without any special 
options other than full screen and digital clock selected.


Julian KR5J
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather Crashing with Skipped Time Stamps and Changing Receiver Modes

[Jerry]

I have LH installed on a fast Intel i5 Dual Core processor, no background
programs, 8G RAM and it crashes after about 2 hours.  Attached is the log
and it seems that the end near the crash begins with skipped time stamps and
changes in receiver mode.

 

I hope someone can offer some advice or further diagnostics?

 

Jerry, NY2W



tbolt.log
Description: Binary data
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather and Lucent RFTGm-II-XO / RFTGm-II-R

[Mark Sims]

I have finally managed to decode the RFTG-m voltages message and have all the 
values except antenna current... that is apparently hidden away in one of the 
other receiver messages.

As far as calculating sat positions for the receiver...   the main issue is 
getting the current almanac and ephemeris if the receiver does not provide 
them.   I don't want to make Heather dependent upon sucking in data from the 
web somewhere.  MANY years ago, I wrote the firmware for the (redacted) GPS 
receiver, so I have done the orbital math before... no fun and royal PITA to 
verify.

As far as calculating your position from the displayed data if the location is 
shown as "private",  things like az/el are only displayed to 0.1 degrees at  
the most and time to a second (OK, you can show it to milliseconds).  Also the 
doppler, etc have a fairly low resolution.  I don't think you could get less 
than a few square miles of uncertainty... good enough privacy for most people.  
 The next version of Heather can trim the sat info display to just show 
az/el/snr and not show the doppler, etc.
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather and Lucent RFTGm-II-XO / RFTGm-II-Rb

[Mark Sims]

If you can build the source code I can send you the latest version.   Linux is 
easy to do.  Not many people seem to be able to handle the Windows build but if 
you are familiar with Visual Studio (particularly command line builds) it is 
easy.   Contact me off list for the code.

I have figured out how to get the antenna current.   It reports two antenna 
voltages which are the readings each side of a 100 ohm series resistor...  
voila... current!   BTW, antenna short circuit current is around 300 mA.


-

> Have you built a special version of LH to work with the RFTGm’s?  If so, is 
> it possible to get a copy?
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and Lucent RFTGm-II-XO / RFTGm-II-Rb

[Rodger Adams via time-nuts]

Mark,

Have you built a special version of LH to work with the RFTGm’s?  If so, is it 
possible to get a copy?

Thanks,

Rodger


> On May 28, 2017, at 2:15 AM, Mark Sims  wrote:
> 
> I have Lady Heather working fairly well with the RFTGm's.I used a serial 
> port monitor program to capture the traffic in and out of the serial port and 
> used the Lucent control program to set and read various parameters.  By 
> analyzing the captured traffic and comparing the results to what the Lucent 
> program was reporting / sending I worked out the protocol and message formats.
> 
> The one message that I have problems with is the one that reports the EFC DAC 
> voltage and temperature.  The message appears to be reporting the DAC value 
> and temperature as a 16 bit integer.   Scaling that to actual values could be 
> a problem.  The DAC is not that big a deal... I scale it to a 0-100% value... 
> no real need to be concerned with the actual voltage.  The temperature value 
> will require a lot of work.  It has an 8 bit granularity and seldom changes 
> more than one step.
> 
> One annoying thing about the RFTGm's is that they don't report satellite 
> positions (just signal levels)... so no nice antenna survey maps are possible.
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and Lucent RFTGm-II-XO / RFTGm-II-Rb

[Tom Van Baak]

Mark,

> One annoying thing about the RFTGm's is that they don't report satellite 
> positions (just signal levels)...
> so no nice antenna survey maps are possible.

Well, yes and no. It is true that signal levels can only be *measured*. And 
you've got that. No problem.

Now, realize that satellite positions are only ever *calculated* by a GPS 
receiver, not actually measured. So it's quite easy to generate satellite maps 
with or without a working GPS receiver. I mean, each and every GPS SV 
is-where-it-is-right-now regardless if you exist or not, if you've got a 
receiver or not, if your receiver outputs positions or not. Make sense?

So all you need is:
- a copy of a recent constellation almanac or ephemeris (on the 'net, or from 
quality GPS receivers, especially in binary mode),
- the approximate UTC date/time,
- your approximate location,
- a handful of wonderful orbital mechanics equations, which you can look up in 
any GPS textbook or online tutorial.

If you want to see an example of this, fire up Trimble Planning.exe, which is 
part of the free TBolt s/w suite (along with TBoltMon.exe, etc.). Again, 
remember that the whole point of GPS is that the precise location of each SV 
must be knowable by the CPU; not measured with a telescope or directional 
antenna or something. So it's quite easy to create maps for any and all known 
satellites once you look-up the orbit parameters. There are apps / programs / 
web sites that do this. NASA used to have the wonderful JTrack3D. Instead check 
out http://www.heavens-above.com/ for info.

For extra credit... The joke is that LH has a feature which "hides" the user's 
lat/lon. Privacy? Nope, LH still reports precise UTC date, time, PRN, Az, El, 
and Doppler! So it's not rocket science (well, it is in a way) to solve that 
nice set of precise and overdetermined numbers on the screen to obtain a good 
guess at the redacted position. Oops.

/tvb

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Sims" <hol...@hotmail.com>
To: <time-nuts@febo.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 11:15 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and Lucent RFTGm-II-XO / RFTGm-II-Rb


>I have Lady Heather working fairly well with the RFTGm's.I used a serial 
>port monitor program to capture the traffic in and out of the serial port and 
>used the Lucent control program to set and read various parameters.  By 
>analyzing the captured traffic and comparing the results to what the Lucent 
>program was reporting / sending I worked out the protocol and message formats.
> 
> The one message that I have problems with is the one that reports the EFC DAC 
> voltage and temperature.  The message appears to be reporting the DAC value 
> and temperature as a 16 bit integer.   Scaling that to actual values could be 
> a problem.  The DAC is not that big a deal... I scale it to a 0-100% value... 
> no real need to be concerned with the actual voltage.  The temperature value 
> will require a lot of work.  It has an 8 bit granularity and seldom changes 
> more than one step.
> 
> One annoying thing about the RFTGm's is that they don't report satellite 
> positions (just signal levels)... so no nice antenna survey maps are possible.


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[time-nuts] Lady Heather and Lucent RFTGm-II-XO / RFTGm-II-Rb

[Mark Sims]

I have Lady Heather working fairly well with the RFTGm's.I used a serial 
port monitor program to capture the traffic in and out of the serial port and 
used the Lucent control program to set and read various parameters.  By 
analyzing the captured traffic and comparing the results to what the Lucent 
program was reporting / sending I worked out the protocol and message formats.

The one message that I have problems with is the one that reports the EFC DAC 
voltage and temperature.  The message appears to be reporting the DAC value and 
temperature as a 16 bit integer.   Scaling that to actual values could be a 
problem.  The DAC is not that big a deal... I scale it to a 0-100% value... no 
real need to be concerned with the actual voltage.  The temperature value will 
require a lot of work.  It has an 8 bit granularity and seldom changes more 
than one step.

One annoying thing about the RFTGm's is that they don't report satellite 
positions (just signal levels)... so no nice antenna survey maps are possible.
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and Lucent RFTGm-II-XO / RFTGm-II-Rb

[Bill Hawkins]

Been there and done that. Used a PicoScope in serial decoding mode to
get the bytes by clipping a probe to one of the serial lines. Got the
manual for the Motorola receiver from a web search, found the messages
detailed therein. Did this several years ago and those memories have
been overwritten. Still have the files, though. Only found Motorola
messages, nothing generated by Lucent code. Lucent uses the Motorola
messages to control the state of the units.

Still have the RFTG assembly with power supply, if there's any interest.
Seemed to me the group didn't think it was a fine instrument, but it is
well built. Have moved to an old folks home and found other projects to
keep me occupied. Make me an offer that might motivate me to pack and
ship it, with the data I collected.

Bill Hawkins


-Original Message-
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Sims
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:53 PM

I have my RFTG connected and have the Lucent software talking to it.  I
also have a (crappy) serial port monitor program (Microsoft portmon)
running and sniffing the traffic.   It appears that the control requests
and responses are in what amounts to TSIP format.   No idea yet what the
contents of those messages are... or how much of it can be figured
out...

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[time-nuts] Lady Heather and Lucent RFTGm-II-XO / RFTGm-II-Rb

[Mark Sims]

I have my RFTG connected and have the Lucent software talking to it.  I also 
have a (crappy) serial port monitor program (Microsoft portmon) running and 
sniffing the traffic.   It appears that the control requests and responses are 
in what amounts to TSIP format.   No idea yet what the contents of those 
messages are... or how much of it can be figured out...
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and Lucent RFTGm-II-XO / RFTGm-II-Rb

[Rodger Adams via time-nuts]

> Hey Mark,
>  
> Thanks for the reply.  
>  
> It was relatively straightforward getting the Lucent RFTG software to work.  
> No special cable or PCMCIA card was needed.  Here’s what I’ve learned in the 
> few days that I’ve had my modules. 
>  
> First, the RFTG software runs under Windows XP with no problem.  I gave up on 
> trying with Windows 10 and compatibility modes.  I downloaded virtualbox 
> (free) which lets me run a Windows XP virtual machine on Windows 10.  (you’ll 
> still need to have an XP install disk)   I gave the VM just enough memory and 
> disk space for it to run RFTG so it runs without wasting a lot of resources 
> on the host, Windows 10 pc.
>  
> For the physical interface I use standard, cheap RS-232 to USB serial 
> adapters.  Virtualbox allows you to select which USB devices get passed 
> through from the host to the XP VM so I simply pass the serial port usb 
> device through to the VM and run the USB serial port drivers in the XP VM.  
>  
> Now that I have a working XP PC with a serial port the rest is easy.  The 
> RS-232 port can be connected to the RS-422/485 port with a simple 3 wire 
> connection, as follows.  On the RS-232 interface, connect pins 2,3 and 5 to 
> pins 9,8, and 7 (in that order) of the RS-422 port on the RFTGm-II-XO module. 
>  This is the port on the far right end of the XO module that is labeled 
> RS-422/1 PPS.  As soon as I made this connection, I was able to see serial 
> data flowing from the module at 9600N81 using a terminal program.  After 
> running RFTG.exe and selecting the right serial port, RFTG came to life 
> showing the GPS status, etc.   By moving the RS-232 interface over to the 
> RS-422 port on the Rb module, (same pin configuration) you can monitor the 
> status of the Rb module instead. 
>  
> The RFTG software is designed to use 2 serial ports, 1 for the XO and 1 for 
> the Rb.  I think this is where the Lucent proprietary “Y” cable comes into 
> play.  Although I haven’t proven this yet, I believe that the 2 RS-422 
> connections (1 from the XO and 1 from the Rb) are simply combined in the 
> module on the upper left side of the frame. (above the Rb module, connectors 
> labeled J7 through J11)  I’m guessing that the Lucent “Y” cable plugs into 
> J7, J8 or J9 and splits the “combined” RS-422 signals back into 2 separate 
> RS-422 ports.  I have some USB to RS-422 ports (although I could just use 
> RS-232 ports)  and some DB-15 connectors on order.  As soon as I prove this 
> to be the case, I’ll post the cable schematic here.  Once I have this working 
> it will allow for monitoring and control of both the XO and the Rb 
> simultaneously using RFTG.exe. (right now, I can only look at either one at a 
> time)
>  
> If I can help you in any way with getting this set up for Lady Heather please 
> let me know.  I’m not a programmer, but will be glad to capture data, test, 
> or assist in any way I can.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Rodger


> On May 23, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Mark Sims  wrote:
> 
> I also got one in.   Unfortunately it talks some proprietary, undocumented 
> command set.   I was hoping to be able to sniff what the Lucent code is doing 
> and eventually add support to Lady Heather.
> 
> How did you connect up to the device to use the Lucent code?  The 
> documentation talks about using some PCMCIA RS-485 card and seems to use a 
> "Y" cable that has a toggle switch that switches between the two boxes... 
> that cable is undocumented.
> 
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather and Lucent RFTGm-II-XO / RFTGm-II-Rb

[Mark Sims]

I also got one in.   Unfortunately it talks some proprietary, undocumented 
command set.   I was hoping to be able to sniff what the Lucent code is doing 
and eventually add support to Lady Heather.

How did you connect up to the device to use the Lucent code?  The documentation 
talks about using some PCMCIA RS-485 card and seems to use a "Y" cable that has 
a toggle switch that switches between the two boxes... that cable is 
undocumented.

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[time-nuts] Lady Heather and Lucent RFTGm-II-XO / RFTGm-II-Rb

[Rodger Adams via time-nuts]

Hi,

Newbie time-nut here.  Just acquired a Lucent RFTGm-II-XO / RFTGm-II-Rb 
GPSDO/rubidium oscillator and have it working and communicating with the very 
old RFTG diagnostic software.  

Does Lady Heather work with this GPSDO?  I see from the LH documentation that 
it works with the Lucent KS24361 REF0/Z3811A.  I’ve tried various command line 
switches, etc. but so far, no luck.

Any guidance will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Rodger, WB4HIR

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[time-nuts] Lady Heather 5 leap second video

[Mark Sims]

Lady Heather's on-screen clocks "tick" when the GPS time code message comes in. 
 Most receivers send the time code message around  100-250 msecs after the 
actual 1PPS time.  A few (like the Z3801A) send it before the 1PPS time.  The 
Jupiter-T sends it around 1200 msecs after the 1PPS!

Heather applies an adjustment factor to the time in the time code message to 
compensate for the receiver message delay/offset.  If you don't specify an 
adjust factor (/tsx=msecs), it uses a typical value for the receiver.   
Normally the time in the digital clock is shown down to seconds.  You can see 
the (adjusted) time down to the millisecond with the "TM" keyboard command.  
The hand positions in the analog watch display have the receiver adjustment 
factor, it's just that the clock is ticking when the time code message comes in.

--

>  I am wandering, if anybody else noticed that LH 5.0 watch is little 
behind of some other relatively good time source ?
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather 5 leap second video

[Vlad]

My video is there:

https://youtu.be/2hMy3XoNah4

I am wandering, if anybody else noticed that LH 5.0 watch is little 
behind of some other relatively good time source ? On my video, you 
could see my own NIXIE (driving by its own GPS receiver), my hand watch 
(synched by WWVB), 'xclock' from my NTP machine and Internet time on the 
web.



To follow up my previous note about 'chronyd', Linux syslog has 
following:


Dec 31 19:00:00 dl145 chronyd[2555]: Adjusting system clock for leap 
second


And then its interesting log (tracking.log). Here we could see how 
'chronyd' did the alignment (see the last column)



==
   Date (UTC) Time IP Address   St   Freq ppm   Skew ppm Offset 
L Co  Offset sd Rem. corr.

==
2016-12-31 23:41:22 PPS0 1  9.021  0.006  5.523e-07 
+  1  9.074e-08 -3.469e-08
2016-12-31 23:41:38 PPS0 1  9.025  0.007  1.845e-07 
+  1  1.148e-07  8.597e-13
2016-12-31 23:41:54 PPS0 1  9.029  0.011  4.315e-07 
+  1  1.672e-07  5.534e-12
2016-12-31 23:42:10 PPS0 1  9.031  0.010  9.133e-08 
+  1  1.752e-07 -4.515e-11
2016-12-31 23:42:26 PPS0 1  9.031  0.008 -1.899e-08 
+  1  1.880e-07 -5.975e-08
2016-12-31 23:42:42 PPS0 1  9.031  0.006 -3.497e-08 
+  1  1.582e-07 -3.503e-08
2016-12-31 23:42:58 PPS0 1  9.031  0.005 -8.847e-08 
+  1  1.546e-07 -1.546e-10
2016-12-31 23:43:14 PPS0 1  9.030  0.004 -5.270e-08 
+  1  1.412e-07  5.457e-08
2016-12-31 23:43:30 PPS0 1  9.030  0.004 -2.788e-09 
+  1  1.294e-07  5.278e-08
2016-12-31 23:43:46 PPS0 1  9.030  0.003 -9.947e-08 
+  1  1.259e-07  3.943e-08
2016-12-31 23:44:02 PPS0 1  9.029  0.003 -9.814e-08 
+  1  1.183e-07  3.661e-08
2016-12-31 23:44:18 PPS0 1  9.029  0.003 -1.763e-07 
+  1  1.417e-07  3.234e-08
2016-12-31 23:44:34 PPS0 1  9.028  0.004 -2.060e-08 
+  1  1.496e-07  3.796e-09
2016-12-31 23:44:50 PPS0 1  9.028  0.004 -1.874e-07 
+  1  1.509e-07  2.163e-08
2016-12-31 23:45:06 PPS0 1  9.027  0.004 -4.819e-09 
+  1  1.636e-07  1.590e-08
2016-12-31 23:45:22 PPS0 1  9.025  0.009 -5.962e-07 
+  1  1.914e-07  1.875e-08
2016-12-31 23:45:38 PPS0 1  9.021  0.015 -4.350e-07 
+  1  2.020e-07 -9.867e-11
2016-12-31 23:45:54 PPS0 1  9.018  0.014 -4.419e-08 
+  1  2.224e-07 -1.104e-11
2016-12-31 23:46:10 PPS0 1  9.017  0.010 -5.512e-09 
+  1  2.091e-07  3.810e-08
2016-12-31 23:46:26 PPS0 1  9.017  0.008 -9.145e-08 
+  1  1.888e-07  3.752e-08
2016-12-31 23:46:42 PPS0 1  9.017  0.006  7.408e-08 
+  1  1.618e-07  7.016e-08
2016-12-31 23:46:58 PPS0 1  9.017  0.005 -9.794e-09 
+  1  1.552e-07 -4.002e-09

[skip]
2016-12-31 23:57:55 PPS0 1  8.797  0.019 -8.302e-08 
+  1  8.256e-08 -1.723e-08
2016-12-31 23:58:11 PPS0 1  8.796  0.013 -2.801e-08 
+  1  9.587e-08  3.075e-08
2016-12-31 23:58:27 PPS0 1  8.792  0.020 -5.538e-07 
+  1  2.202e-07  3.456e-08
2016-12-31 23:58:43 PPS0 1  8.787  0.015 -2.437e-07 
+  1  1.787e-07 -9.001e-11
2016-12-31 23:58:59 PPS0 1  8.785  0.012 -2.167e-07 
+  1  1.767e-07  2.221e-08
2016-12-31 23:59:15 PPS0 1  8.785  0.009  8.334e-09 
+  1  1.547e-07  2.342e-08
2016-12-31 23:59:31 PPS0 1  8.784  0.007 -1.067e-07 
+  1  1.319e-07  1.396e-08
2016-12-31 23:59:47 PPS0 1  8.782  0.007 -3.197e-07 
+  1  1.458e-07  4.703e-08
2017-01-01 00:00:03 PPS0 1  8.774  0.012 -7.315e-07 
N  1  1.374e-08 -9.954e-01
2017-01-01 00:00:19 PPS0 1  8.774  0.015  1.559e-06 
N  1  6.262e-08 -9.794e-01
2017-01-01 00:00:35 PPS0 1  8.775  0.021 -8.661e-07 
N  1  1.100e-07 -9.634e-01
2017-01-01 00:00:51 PPS0 1  8.780  0.042  8.435e-07 
N  1  1.764e-07 -9.473e-01
2017-01-01 00:01:07 PPS0 1  8.788  0.054 -1.003e-07 
N  1  2.240e-07 -9.313e-01
2017-01-01 00:01:23 PPS0 1  8.787  0.071 -1.125e-06 
N  1  5.314e-07 -9.153e-01
2017-01-01 00:01:39 PPS0 1  8.776  0.124 -8.750e-07 
N  1  2.290e-07 -8.992e-01
2017-01-01 00:01:55 PPS0 1  8.752  0.063 -2.786e-07 
N  1  1.987e-07 -8.832e-01
2017-01-01 00:02:11 PPS0 1  8.748  0.027 -2.084e-07 
N  1  1.676e-07 -8.672e-01
2017-01-01 00:02:27 PPS0 1  8.745  0.017 -3.240e-07 
N  1  1.397e-07 -8.512e-01
2017-01-01 00:02:43 PPS0 1  8.742  0.013 

[time-nuts] Lady Heather Question (Basic)

[Russ Ramirez]

I've been using Trimble VTS to sync a local server clock to my Thunderbolt.
I use the Meinberg NTP server as the time source for the other computers I
have. I like the Lady Heather program and what it has to offer, but it does
not seem to sync the time to the server clock the way the Timekeeper in VTS
does. What am I missing? Yes, I did RTFM :-)

Russ
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather 5 leap second video

[Esa Heikkinen]

Hi!

Trimble thunderbolt and direct on-screen capture with 1 fps from Lady 
Heather 5 running on Windows XP.


23:59:59 --> 00:00:60 --> 00:00:00

https://youtu.be/pJt8bHAo_yU


It doesn't do it beautifully anymore, like older version did:

https://youtu.be/DbvMZikqtI4

--
73s!
Esa
OH4KJU
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather 5.0 and COFS/Jupiter-T Receiver

[John Miles]

Sorry about that. :)  Send me a new zipfile and I'll update the distribution...

-- john, KE5FX
Miles Design LLC


> -Original Message-
> From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark
> Sims
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 10:12 AM
> To: time-nuts@febo.com
> Subject: [time-nuts] Lady Heather 5.0 and COFS/Jupiter-T Receiver
> 
> Yes,  John added  the "N" keyboard command to let you bring up Notepad to
> edit heather.cfg.  The way he did it broke any two letter keyboard command
> that ends in "N".   I've since fixed that and added the ability to specify the
> file to edit.  I also added a command to let you run any program from within
> Heather.
> 
> The "S3" keyboard command should do the same thing as "SN"...
> 

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[time-nuts] Lady Heather 5.0 and COFS/Jupiter-T Receiver

[Mark Sims]

Yes,  John added  the "N" keyboard command to let you bring up Notepad to edit 
heather.cfg.  The way he did it broke any two letter keyboard command that ends 
in "N".   I've since fixed that and added the ability to specify the file to 
edit.  I also added a command to let you run any program from within Heather.

The "S3" keyboard command should do the same thing as "SN"...



>  Not sure if the Jupiter-T actually has a 3D Navigation mode, but think the 
> wrong shortcut key is being assigned?.
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather 5.0 and COFS/Jupiter-T Receiver

[Bryan _]

Maybe a little bug in LH 5.0. Using the Jupiter-T receiver. Go to [S] for the 
Survey options. Select [N] for 3D Navigation mode and it brings up the 
heather.cfg file in the text editor. Not sure if the Jupiter-T actually has a 
3D Navigation mode, but think the wrong shortcut key is being assigned?.


-=Bryan=-



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All the Zodiac messages use scaled integers for their values.  Lots of places 
for limited precision and round-off to sneak in...

When the survey completes, it goes to position hold mode.  The survey data area 
turns grey and shows the values the survey used as a reminder of how it got the 
position.  On a GPSDO with a configurable PLL,  the survey data area reverts to 
showing the PLL settings.
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

[Peter Putnam]

Mark,

Thank you very much for the effort you put into the new Lady Heather 
Version 5 code.


Comments from other linux users encouraged me to try my luck with a 
Raspberry Pi 2 Model B. The code compiled without issue and runs perfectly.


The pre-configured "heather.cfg" file is a nice touch, considering the 
many new options. Old options add in easily.



Regarding the Raspberry Pi display...

I started with a large LCD monitor with a native resolution of 1280 x 
1024. Using an HDMI to DVI cable, LH5 put out a very nice display using 
perhaps 80% of the available screen area.


In order to put an older 1024 x 768 VGA monitor into service, an HDMI to 
VGA adapter is required. For those worrying about the ability of the 
HDMI output to provide enough current to power the adapter, I can 
confirm the IOGear GVC311 HD to VGA adapter draws only 150 mA, well 
within the 200 mA rating of the diode protecting the port from reverse 
bias. The processor alone draws 300 mA, so the total current at 5 volts 
is 450 mA, allowing me to add both to the 5-volt output of the 
Thunderbolt's UPS-protected power supply.


The initial result was OK except the graph area at the bottom was only 8 
lines high, instead of the 10 lines I expected. In addition, some unused 
space appeared below the graph. Efforts to "resize" or change 
screen-edge values in the Raspbian config.txt file proved futile. 
However, right-clicking on the Panel bar at the top of the screen and 
resizing the icons to 28 pixels and the bar itself to 30 pixels did the 
trick. Now the graph area is 10 lines high and the screen is fully utilized.


Thanks, again, Mark, for a job well done.

Regards,
Peter


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[time-nuts] Lady Heather with touchscreen support

[Mark Sims]

If you are using a Raspberry PI (or any other computer for that matter) with a 
touchscreen display and can compile the code and would like to test it,  
contact me off-list and I'll send you the latest code.  

It adds an on-screen touch (or mouse) keyboard and has several tweaks to the 
screen formatting for optimum use of smaller screens.  

It also has the ability to do a full-screen display mode on X11 based displays 
to eek out the most available screen space.  Full screen mode disables the 
window "decorations", borders, title bar, etc.
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather 5.0 and COFS/Jupiter-T Receiver

[Bryan _]

Thanks, yes probably better if one wants a precise elevation, although a 
rounded isn't going to make a hill of beans then add the elevation mask through 
the serial port using the binary word statements.


I see the Jupiter-T has a one satellite mode. For a user such as myself who 
suffers from a ground level north view on the 49th parallel would this option 
give me better precision when it comes to frequency.


-=Bryan=-



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Subject: [time-nuts] Lady Heather 5.0 and COFS/Jupiter-T Receiver

All the Zodiac messages use scaled integers for their values.  Lots of places 
for limited precision and round-off to sneak in...

When the survey completes, it goes to position hold mode.  The survey data area 
turns grey and shows the values the survey used as a reminder of how it got the 
position.  On a GPSDO with a configurable PLL,  the survey data area reverts to 
showing the PLL settings.
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather 5.0 and COFS/Jupiter-T Receiver

[Mark Sims]

All the Zodiac messages use scaled integers for their values.  Lots of places 
for limited precision and round-off to sneak in...

When the survey completes, it goes to position hold mode.  The survey data area 
turns grey and shows the values the survey used as a reminder of how it got the 
position.  On a GPSDO with a configurable PLL,  the survey data area reverts to 
showing the PLL settings.
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather 5.0 and COFS/Jupiter-T Receiver

[Bryan _]

Thanks, yes you are right, memory was just jogged and the elevation for the 
Jupiter is set with if I recall with a radian calculation entered with two 
bytes in a binary word statement.  A real pain to figure out.


I think it has completed the survey and is displaying "Position Hold Mode". Is 
this correct or is it stuck, as it still shows Survey Data 2 Hours in grey (2 
hours was the value I set).


Cheers


-=Bryan=-



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Subject: [time-nuts] Lady Heather 5.0 and COFS/Jupiter-T Receiver

COFS is the clock offset value (whatever that is).  Heather has plots for four 
receiver provided values.  One the Thunderbolt these were the OSCillator 
offset, PPS offset, DAC, and temperature (OSC plot defaults to off since it 
mostly looks like noise).  On other receivers the plots are assigned to some 
nifty looking plot-able values the receiver sends.  Receivers that send a 
sawtooth value are plotted as the GD (dac) variable... the sawtooth plot 
defaults to OFF since it is also a rather noisy looking plot.  Try the GD 
command to enable the sawtooth plot for receivers that support sawtooth.

As far as the elevation mask... it's garbage in -garbage out...  the Jupiter 
wants the elevation mask value as an integer value of 1000*radians.   9.9xx is 
as close as the math allows.

Survey mode display works fine here...
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem - full screen mode

[Bill Riches]

Just noticed by accident if you have a small screen mode if you click on the 
top of the screen and drag it up above the top of the monitor and release the 
mouse button it will change to full screen mode.  Learn something new every day!

73,

Bill, WA2DVU
Cape May


Ahhh, full screen mode... the demon mode from hell.  On most modern systems 
with large monitors it crashed the program.  It uses DirectDraw and if your 
DirectDraw implementation does not handle your monitor size, bye bye Heather.  
That means full screen mode (or clicking the MAXIMIZE button or pressing F11 
crashes Heather unless your monitor or graphics driver was a standard VGA era 
screen res like 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, or 1280x1024). Only those four 
monitor widths allow full screen mode.  Monitor height is not check for.

Because pressing the MAXIMIZE button was quite easy to do accidentally,  full 
screen mode is disabled by default (but F11 can't be disabled).  If your 
monitor / graphics driver is one of the magic sizes you can enable full screen 
mode with the new /fu command.  For instance for a 1024x768 screen try:
   /fu /vm

If you have a larger monitor and can configure your display driver for one of 
the magic sizes, that works.

The /f command now brings up Heather in a windowed mode sized to fill (most of) 
the screen.  You can also do that with $f from the keyboard.

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[time-nuts] Lady Heather 5.0 and COFS/Jupiter-T Receiver

[Mark Sims]

COFS is the clock offset value (whatever that is).  Heather has plots for four 
receiver provided values.  One the Thunderbolt these were the OSCillator 
offset, PPS offset, DAC, and temperature (OSC plot defaults to off since it 
mostly looks like noise).  On other receivers the plots are assigned to some 
nifty looking plot-able values the receiver sends.  Receivers that send a 
sawtooth value are plotted as the GD (dac) variable... the sawtooth plot 
defaults to OFF since it is also a rather noisy looking plot.  Try the GD 
command to enable the sawtooth plot for receivers that support sawtooth.

As far as the elevation mask... it's garbage in -garbage out...  the Jupiter 
wants the elevation mask value as an integer value of 1000*radians.   9.9xx is 
as close as the math allows.

Survey mode display works fine here...
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather 5.0 and COFS/Jupiter-T Receiver

[Bryan _]

Being playing round with Lady heather 5.0 (really impressed) and my Jupiter-T 
receiver using Zodiac mode. But what is COFS. Can not find anything in the help 
or on the internet. Is it short for something?


I did notice a couple bugs relating to rounding off. If I set the elevation 
mask to 10 degrees LH reports on the interface as 9.91? Not sure if the other 
parameters such as *DOPS are returning similar errors?


Not sure if this is a bug, but I put the unit into survey mode for 2 hours and 
it keeps flipping between Navigation Mode and Survey mode/Self Survey with the 
screen flashing in between the switching.


-=Bryan=-
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather for homebrew GPSDO

[Mark Sims]

Probably... the manual does not go into exact details of what they are sending.

-

>  If the hex number isn't the DAC output voltage, what is it?  The code 
being fed to the DAC?
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather for homebrew GPSDO

[Charles Steinmetz]

Mark wrote:


The Z3801A does have a request for getting/setting the DAC value as a absolute 
(hex) number.
Neither format tells you what you really want to know...  the actual DAC 
voltage.


If the hex number isn't the DAC output voltage, what is it?  The code 
being fed to the DAC?


Just curious.

Charles


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[time-nuts] Lady Heather for homebrew GPSDO

[Mark Sims]

Heather can pretty much do that now.  It has the ability to do screen dumps to 
a file (or series of files) on a scheduled basis.   Heather doesn't do the 
"spit out an html file thing",  but I know of several people that have scripts 
on their machine that take the screen dump images and serve them up on the web. 
 That way they can format/process/display the images in their desired form.  
Heather can also dump log files on a scheduled basis and those can be read, 
processed, served, and displayed however one wants.




> If Mark is looking for a winter project, he can turn LH into this:

https://www.realhamradio.com/GPS_websites_list.htm

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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather for homebrew GPSDO

[Tom Van Baak]

Hi Jim,

> --The EFC value is given as an integer percent -100 to 100, so there is not
> enough resolution to really tell what the DAC is doing.

Sounds like you're using :DIAG:ROSC:EFC:REL? which gives percent.
Instead try :DIAG:ROSC:EFC:ABS? which gives absolute DAC value.

> -- It does not have the satellite position and C/N data that is reported in
> the NMEA GSV sentence, so LH can't make its nice satellite plots.

Use the SS column of :SYST:STAT? for this.

Remember before LH there was GPScon. See tons of information on the Z3801A at:

https://www.realhamradio.com/GPS_Frequency_Standard.htm

This random one has nice examples of what you can do given the data from SCPI:

https://www.realhamradio.com/z3801a-turning-point.htm

If Mark is looking for a winter project, he can turn LH into this:

https://www.realhamradio.com/GPS_websites_list.htm

/tvb
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather for homebrew GPSDO

[Mark Sims]

The Z3801A does have a request for getting/setting the DAC value as a absolute 
(hex) number.  Heather uses the percentage version of the message.  Neither 
format tells you what you really want to know...  the actual DAC voltage.  
There is nothing to prevent you from sending a DAC percentage with 10 digit 
resolution...

Heather gets the Z3801A satellite position/signal level info by requesting the 
"SYST:STAT?" message once a minute at xx:xx:33  and parsing out the values from 
the status screen (ugh... another reason the Z3801A was never intended to have 
a computer monitor and control it).   This takes the receiver 3 seconds to 
send.  During that time no time codes, etc come in and you can't request any 
other information.  At least the device has a (kludgy) way of getting the 
information... the Datum StarLoc II says all sats are at az/el 0,0 ... at least 
it does give a signal level.


-
> 
--The EFC value is given as an integer percent -100 to 100, so there is not
enough resolution to really tell what the DAC is doing.

-- It does not have the satellite position and C/N data that is reported in
the NMEA GSV sentence, so LH can't make its nice satellite plots.
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather for homebrew GPSDO

[Jim Harman]

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Mark Sims  wrote:

> Binary or NMEA you need routines like send_msg_start,  send item (like
> integer, float, double), send_msg_end.  For received messages you need
> things like get_message,  get_item_from_message, etc.  The code to do that
> is not much more complicated for a binary protocol or an ASCII one like
> NMEA.
>

One factor that leads me to prefer NMEA is that my GPS already produces it,
so all I would have to do for the satellite, time, and other GPS data would
be to send the NMEA sentences from the GPS to the host port, no parsing and
reformatting required. In order to inject GPSDO data into this stream, I
would have to implement an NMEA multiplexer and construct the new
sentence(s) as you describe above.Of course I would still need an NMEA
parser in order to interpret commands from the host, but in the Arduino
world there is TinyGPS++, a very handy open source library for this.

I see that although the Z3801A's SCPI messages would be pretty easy to
implement, there are several inconvenient or limiting aspects to this
interface. (please correct me if I am wrong on these)

--It does not stream data the way NMEA does, so the host has to keep asking
for data.

--As has been mentioned earlier, most of the responses have no identifier,
so both ends have to be careful not to get out of sync.

--The EFC value is given as an integer percent -100 to 100, so there is not
enough resolution to really tell what the DAC is doing.

-- It does not have the satellite position and C/N data that is reported in
the NMEA GSV sentence, so LH can't make its nice satellite plots.

One thing I like about the Z3801A's format is the way the TCOD message
includes brief status and alarm information, so the data doesn't get
clogged with routine data but the host can tell when to request detailed
information.


-- 

--Jim Harman
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather for homebrew GPSDO

[Mark Sims]

If you go digging in the Ladt Heather code, you will find references to a 
"luxor" device.  This is a LED / power analyzer device that I built.  It runs 
on a ATMEGA 2561 and uses the TSIP protocol.  I've also implemented the same 
TSIP protocol code on a '328 with 32kB of program memory.  It's not that hard 
to do.  At the lowest level it doesn't take much more code than a NMEA 
processor.  The code sends and receives properly formatted TSIP sentences.  
What gets really fiddly is all the details of trying to faithfully emulate an 
existing GPSDO.

Binary or NMEA you need routines like send_msg_start,  send item (like integer, 
float, double), send_msg_end.  For received messages you need things like 
get_message,  get_item_from_message, etc.  The code to do that is not much more 
complicated for a binary protocol or an ASCII one like NMEA.

Binary messages have the little complication of what byte ordering does the CPU 
and protocol use.  Heather has a find_endian routine that determines the CPU 
ordering for getting values from the received messages and re-ordering the 
bytes to what the CPU expects and the output routines reformat CPU values into 
the byte order that the receiver wants. 



>  Writing and *debugging* a binary protocol is a lot more involved than a 
> serial stream. You
can argue that code it code and it’s all trivial. 
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather for homebrew GPSDO

[Bob Camp]

Hi

If your GPSDO is based on an quad core 1.8 GHz with 4 GB of RAM, you can 
implement 
a lot of things. Effectively your GPSDO has more horsepower than a lot of the 
computers 
people are using to monitor GPSDO’s. Given the economics of silicon, that’s 
still not a 
crazy expensive CPU to use.

If you are trying to cram your GPSDO into a PIC 16, coming up with complex 
structures for
the i/o is likely to be a bit of a challenge. Most of the poor little beast is 
already tied up trying
to keep up with the main work of the device. 

Writing and *debugging* a binary protocol is a lot more involved than a serial 
stream. You
can argue that code it code and it’s all trivial. It’s also been argued that 
coming up with a 
fully working GPSDO is a 10 minute project. 

I don’t have a GPSDO project hidden somewhere under all this junk on the bench. 
I’m not
planning to do one any time soon. I’m just a casual observer in all this. To me 
dumping stuff
into an already existing NMEA message parser seems to be the more universal way 
to go.
It’s not without it’s issues. Based on doing this from scratch on a few hundred 
times on 
various devices, it’s generally been the quicker and easier way to go. It’s 
certainly not the 
only way….

Bob


> On Dec 18, 2016, at 12:02 AM, Mark Sims  wrote:
> 
>> NMEA is a fine interface, widely used, easy to play with. There's no need to 
>> be pejorative.
> 
> Not being perjorative...  just commenting that it would be a lot easier to 
> implement than TSIP... probably not as good, but a lot easier to code... the 
> lazy bastards way...  I'm a lazy bastard, too.
> 
> 
>> I don't know what your problem is with the Z3801A
> 
> SCPI is good interface.  The main problem with the Z3801A implementation is 
> that it does not tag its responses with some kind of identifier as to what 
> the response is.  This is a HUGE mistake that only a novice protocol designer 
> would make.  It barely makes sense if only a person at a keyboard would be 
> sending commands.   If anything hiccups the communications a computer can 
> wind up interpreting the data improperly is that response a DAC voltage?  
> a temperature?  yeah, I asked for a DAC voltage but you sent me the 
> temperature I asked for last time...  they look identical...   there's no way 
> to tell FOR SURE what I actually got...   No amount of state machine foo can 
> get around it.
> 
> 
>> So this is all the more reason to re-consider your LH architecture and not 
>> assume or not depend on the input(s) being externally timed or paced at 
>> exact multiples of 1 s.
> 
> Heather does not depend upon a 1 Hz update message.  I've tested it with 1Hz 
> to 50 Hz receivers (things do get a bit wonky at over 20 Hz... too much data 
> coming over too small of a USB/serial pipe).  Heather uses the message that 
> contains the time code to decide when to update the display... it's a GPS 
> monitoring program after all and GPS is all about time.It could just as 
> easily be set up to use any message or event or timer or mule kick.  The 
> receiver time code message is the most universally consistent thing across 
> all the devices Heather works with, so that's what gets used.
> 
> 
> 
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather for homebrew GPSDO

[Mark Sims]

>  NMEA is a fine interface, widely used, easy to play with. There's no need to 
> be pejorative.

Not being perjorative...  just commenting that it would be a lot easier to 
implement than TSIP... probably not as good, but a lot easier to code... the 
lazy bastards way...  I'm a lazy bastard, too.


> I don't know what your problem is with the Z3801A

SCPI is good interface.  The main problem with the Z3801A implementation is 
that it does not tag its responses with some kind of identifier as to what the 
response is.  This is a HUGE mistake that only a novice protocol designer would 
make.  It barely makes sense if only a person at a keyboard would be sending 
commands.   If anything hiccups the communications a computer can wind up 
interpreting the data improperly is that response a DAC voltage?  a 
temperature?  yeah, I asked for a DAC voltage but you sent me the temperature I 
asked for last time...  they look identical...   there's no way to tell FOR 
SURE what I actually got...   No amount of state machine foo can get around it.


> So this is all the more reason to re-consider your LH architecture and not 
> assume or not depend on the input(s) being externally timed or paced at exact 
> multiples of 1 s.

Heather does not depend upon a 1 Hz update message.  I've tested it with 1Hz to 
50 Hz receivers (things do get a bit wonky at over 20 Hz... too much data 
coming over too small of a USB/serial pipe).  Heather uses the message that 
contains the time code to decide when to update the display... it's a GPS 
monitoring program after all and GPS is all about time.It could just as 
easily be set up to use any message or event or timer or mule kick.  The 
receiver time code message is the most universally consistent thing across all 
the devices Heather works with, so that's what gets used.




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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather for homebrew GPSDO

[Tom Van Baak]

Mark, Bob,

> If you are going to a GPSDO interface,  I would bite the bullet and recommend 
> the Trimble
> TSIP / Thunderbolt commands.  It has its warts, but has commands for doing 
> just about
> anything a GPSDO should do.  Doing a decent job would not be easy...  Nobody 
> seems to
> have done a decent job emulating a Motorola receiver, and that is an easier 
> thing to do.

I second the TSIP recommendation. Mostly you want to avoid this: 
https://xkcd.com/927/

> The lazy bastard way would be cramming so proprietary NMEA sentences into a 
> NMEA-like stream.

NMEA is a fine interface, widely used, easy to play with. There's no need to be 
pejorative.

> Polled interfaces like the Z3801A are horrible things for a computer to talk 
> to.  If you miss a
> response or one gets garbled it can be difficult to recover from.  The Z801A 
> is the worst
> possible interface... it's responses to requests have nothing in them to 
> identify what request
> the values  are in response to.  

Well, maybe here we part ways. The hp SCPI method is highly organized and 
nearly self-documenting. It's also in use across all sorts of instrumentation 
by multiple vendors for decades. Nothing wrong with that. I don't know what 
your problem is with the Z3801A. If you keep your transmit and receive state 
machine clean there should not be issues. Millions of LabView projects work 
just fine with SCPI-based instruments for decades. No need to throw mud on it.

> Heather really likes to see a device that sends regular time packets every 
> second without
> having to request them.

As they say, "there's your problem". Most operating systems provide a way for a 
computer program to send serial packets out in a timely or regular basis. Yes, 
it may be convenient if the device does the timing for you, but surely a 
program can be written to work well either way.

> Sending device status / TIC readings, temperature, etc is also a good thing.

Yup. Note that both TAC32 and TBoltmon allow for GPSDO and TIC on different 
serial ports and they integrate the results. Handling environmental sensors is 
a natural extension of this. Some of these sensors use request / response 
protocols; others are periodic and talk-only. Their rates are rarely ever 1.000 
Hz like GPS. So this is all the more reason to re-consider your LH architecture 
and not assume or not depend on the input(s) being externally timed or paced at 
exact multiples of 1 s.

In fact, you could use the sidereal clock problem that we've talked about 
off-list as the test case for separating the pacing of data collection(s) from 
the pace of screen updates. As LH continues to evolve into a mini- TimeLab or 
LabView you may find this separation valuable.

My 2c worth.

/tvb

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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather for homebrew GPSDO

[Bob Stewart]

Mark,
I haven't had the time to look at the LH code yet, but is there a sort of 
natural interface that would most easily fit?  I'm speaking about both sides of 
the conversation: receiving data streams and sending commands.  It seems a bit 
strange to me that NMEA would be the preferred type of data stream.  And it 
should be obvious that giving direct access to the receiver would cause many 
problems.  

As far as emulating a Motorola: the Ublox is quite a bit different from the 
Motorola.  Synergy have spent quite a lot of time and money to produce their 
SSR-T boards that allow a Ublox receiver to look exactly like a Motorola.  I 
certainly wouldn't want to replicate that effort.

Bob
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  From: Mark Sims <hol...@hotmail.com>
 To: "time-nuts@febo.com" <time-nuts@febo.com> 
 Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 7:28 PM
 Subject: [time-nuts] Lady Heather for homebrew GPSDO
   
If you are going to a GPSDO interface,  I would bite the bullet and recommend 
the Trimble TSIP / Thunderbolt commands.  It has its warts, but has commands 
for doing just about anything a GPSDO should do.  Doing a decent job would not 
be easy...  Nobody seems to have done a decent job emulating a Motorola 
receiver, and that is an easier thing to do.

The lazy bastard way would be cramming so proprietary NMEA sentences into a 
NMEA-like stream.

Polled interfaces like the Z3801A are horrible things for a computer to talk 
to.  If you miss a response or one gets garbled it can be difficult to recover 
from.  The Z801A is the worst possible interface... it's responses to requests 
have nothing in them to identify what request the values  are in response to.  

Heather really likes to see a device that sends regular time packets every 
second without having to request them.  Sending device status / TIC readings, 
temperature, etc is also a good thing.
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather for homebrew GPSDO

[Mark Sims]

If you are going to a GPSDO interface,  I would bite the bullet and recommend 
the Trimble TSIP / Thunderbolt commands.  It has its warts, but has commands 
for doing just about anything a GPSDO should do.  Doing a decent job would not 
be easy...  Nobody seems to have done a decent job emulating a Motorola 
receiver, and that is an easier thing to do.

The lazy bastard way would be cramming so proprietary NMEA sentences into a 
NMEA-like stream.

Polled interfaces like the Z3801A are horrible things for a computer to talk 
to.  If you miss a response or one gets garbled it can be difficult to recover 
from.  The Z801A is the worst possible interface... it's responses to requests 
have nothing in them to identify what request the values  are in response to.  

Heather really likes to see a device that sends regular time packets every 
second without having to request them.  Sending device status / TIC readings, 
temperature, etc is also a good thing.
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather for homebrew GPSDO

[Bob Stewart]

Hi Jim,
A couple of years ago, I asked the group if there was a standard UI that I 
should use for the GPSDO that I was developing.  Everyone said no, just do what 
works.  I don't think it occurred to anyone, certainly not to me, just how big 
a role that LH plays in the world of GPSDOs.  So, here I am at the end of the 
development cycle, and this question has become very important to me.  
Obviously, I'm very interested in where this thread goes.  

Mark, if you decide to handle this offline, could you make me a part of that 
discussion?
Bob
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  From: Jim Harman <j99har...@gmail.com>
 To: time-nuts@febo.com 
 Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 1:22 PM
 Subject: [time-nuts] Lady Heather for homebrew GPSDO
   
Hi all,

I have experimented with LH 5 just monitoring a GPS receiver and am very
impressed with the results.

As a next step, I would like to use LH to monitor a homebrew GPSDO, and I
think it would be easier to modify the GPSDO firmware to emulate an
existing device rather than customize LH to work with the logging data that
my system currently produces.

In addition to NMEA data from the GPS, my system can output the DAC and TIC
(phase error) values as well as the temperature, Since I control the
firmware, I can produce pretty much any data format as long as it is
clearly documented, but I would prefer a text-based rather than binary
protocol and not to have to reformat all the NMEA data.

Does this approach make sense, and if so which of the several standard
GPSDOs would it be best to emulate?

Thanks in advance for your insights

-- 

--Jim Harman
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather for homebrew GPSDO

[Bob Camp]

Hi

There are a pretty small number of things that a GPSDO worries about that are
not in the standard NMEA data structures:

1) DAC
2) Temperature
3) Lock state
4) Time error 
5) Maybe a “quality of lock” metric

A lot of GPSDO’s put out more than that in their status messages. There is a 
lot of repetition between NMEA messages and that carries over to the custom
stuff. 

More or less anything that starts with $P is considered a specialized / custom
message. You could easily have a $PTNT (for TimeNuts of course not for blowing
things up) message or set of messages. If you added a “version” field to the 
list above, and
a “number of fields to follow”, you probably would have a useful string to use. 

$PTNT,1,5,32768,27.232,1.1.3,+22.868, -13.45,100 would be version 1, 5 fields, 
DAC 32768 out
of who knows how many (hmm…), State 1.1.3 (out of how many), Temp 22.868 C, 
time error -13.45 ns, lock 
quality 100%.

You could take care of the dac issue by going to a float with a defied range of 
0 to 1. State
is a bit more difficult. It depends a lot on how things are implemented. We 
probably would need 
it a bit better defined or put it in another message. 

Bob

> On Dec 17, 2016, at 2:22 PM, Jim Harman  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have experimented with LH 5 just monitoring a GPS receiver and am very
> impressed with the results.
> 
> As a next step, I would like to use LH to monitor a homebrew GPSDO, and I
> think it would be easier to modify the GPSDO firmware to emulate an
> existing device rather than customize LH to work with the logging data that
> my system currently produces.
> 
> In addition to NMEA data from the GPS, my system can output the DAC and TIC
> (phase error) values as well as the temperature, Since I control the
> firmware, I can produce pretty much any data format as long as it is
> clearly documented, but I would prefer a text-based rather than binary
> protocol and not to have to reformat all the NMEA data.
> 
> Does this approach make sense, and if so which of the several standard
> GPSDOs would it be best to emulate?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your insights
> 
> -- 
> 
> --Jim Harman
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather Touch Screen Keyboard (was GALILEO online: any changes seen? (Mark Sims))

[Willis]

Mark Sims wrote:

“BTW,  I'm tweaking up the code for use with touchscreen (that emulate a mouse) 
displays.  I have an on-screen keyboard working and am now optimizing the 
display formatting when used on tiny
screens.  I have it working quite well with the official PI touchscreen... a 7" 
800x480 display that gives Heather a 798x423 window.  Willis has it working 
with a 5" Beaglebone display (I think he gets a 797x456 window... lucky 
bastard...).   Heather was never intended to work with < 480 pixel high 
screens, but would allow screens down to 400 pixels tall, but not much was ever 
tested at that level.   Should make building slick little boxes with an 
integrated a GPSDO and monitor easy... so far I'm rather impressed with the 
results.”

I can’t agree more – Mark’s release of Lady Heather on linux and upcoming 
support for small touch screens has enabled some very interesting capabilities 
for integrated TBOLT monitors. My Beaglebone Black solution (see links below) 
has been a lot of fun to put together (mostly mechanical hackery around using 
the repurposed HP instrument case, but some proto boards for interfacing) and 
provides a very nice solution for which I almost never have to use a keyboard 
any more – although I do like switching between the touch screen and a wireless 
mouse depending on whether I’m too lazy to lift my hand up to the touch screen .

I can’t thank Mark (and John) enough for the labor of love that is Lady Heather!

-willis

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[time-nuts] Lady Heather for homebrew GPSDO

[Jim Harman]

Hi all,

I have experimented with LH 5 just monitoring a GPS receiver and am very
impressed with the results.

As a next step, I would like to use LH to monitor a homebrew GPSDO, and I
think it would be easier to modify the GPSDO firmware to emulate an
existing device rather than customize LH to work with the logging data that
my system currently produces.

In addition to NMEA data from the GPS, my system can output the DAC and TIC
(phase error) values as well as the temperature, Since I control the
firmware, I can produce pretty much any data format as long as it is
clearly documented, but I would prefer a text-based rather than binary
protocol and not to have to reformat all the NMEA data.

Does this approach make sense, and if so which of the several standard
GPSDOs would it be best to emulate?

Thanks in advance for your insights

-- 

--Jim Harman
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available - date formats

[Mark Sims]

Well, one calendar did it In the most elegant way possible.  They divided the 
year into 12 months of 30 days.  Any days that were left over never happened 
and were spent doing things like  drunken orgies which magically never happened 
since the extra days did not exist.  'Twas not a good thing to be born during 
the off days... far worse than being born on 29 Feb.

---

>  How did the Mayans deal with leap seconds?
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem

[David J Taylor]

To the group.
I have installed LH in the program folders of XP and also in other
directories they all seem to work as long as I clearly tell LH the place to
look.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL
=

Paul, with Windows-7 and later directory protections have been tightened, 
and the user is no longer set up with Administrative privilege, hence the 
need to install programs where write access is needed to the program's 
directory outside the Program Files (or equivalent) tree.  Yes, Windows has 
work-rounds with virtual directories, but it's often more confusion than 
it's worth.


It must be over 7 years now since I had an Administrator-level user account, 
and I've never missed it.  There are easy ways to get the privileges when 
you need then, just for that one task.


73,
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem

[paul swed]

Dick
Responded to you

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Richard W. Solomon <w1...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> As I e-mailed earlier, the cause was ticking the wrong shortcut.
> Once I ticked the right one, it opened up.
>
> NOW, how does one get it to run in full screen mode. I tried the /f
> tag but it did not work.
>
> Any ideas ?
>
> Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of John
> Miles
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 10:04 PM
> To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem
>
> The error message in question came from the IPCONN::connect() method in
> ipconn.cpp.  That particular code (11004) is returned by gethostbyname()
> when it fails to resolve a DNS name.  Normally, when Heather tries to
> connect to the test server, gethostbyname() is used to turn "
> ke5fx.dyndns.org" into a numeric address that can be passed to
> connect().  If it returns 11004, it means that the client's DNS provider
> was able to find a record, but couldn't actually resolve it.
>
> Should just be a temporary glitch in the Matrix.  Nothing specific can be
> done about it AFAIK.
>
> -- john, KE5FX
> Miles Design LLC
>
> > I grep'd all the source code and there is no 11004 anywhere in the
> program...
> >
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available - date formats

[Graham / KE9H]

How did the Mayans deal with leap seconds?

--- Graham

==

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:28 AM, Mark Sims  wrote:

> Heather defaults to the unambiguous format 13 DEC 2016.  There is a
> command for showing the date in the ISO format -ddd where ddd is the
> day of the year.
>
> I just added back the -mm-dd format.  It was in there at one time, but
> got lost somewhere along the way...
>
> Why can't the world standardize of the Mayan long count?  Heather can do
> that right now.
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem

[paul swed]

Dick
I create a small batch and granted some of this can be done in the config
file.
I explicitly switch to the location I have LH in within the batch.
Then do the following
heather /1 /f /rxz /tz=-5est/edt
The 1 is the comport
f is full screen
rxz is z3801
tz if the timezone offset.

I have several batch files for different receivers and I have run several
LHs at the same time. TBolt and Z3801 as examples. Though without looking
at full screen the pix is useless.

To the group.
I have installed LH in the program folders of XP and also in other
directories they all seem to work as long as I clearly tell LH the place to
look.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL


On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard W. Solomon <w1...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> I think I found the answer. It seems that two shortcuts found there way
> onto the screen. I just picked the wrong one.
>
> HOWEVER, how do I get it to open in Full Screen Mode ? I tried adding the
> /f command at the end, but it still opens in small screen mode /
>
> The O/S is Windows XP.
>
> Tnx, Dick, W1KSZ
>
> -Original Message-
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> W. Solomon
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 12:45 PM
> To: time-nuts@febo.com
> Subject: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem
>
> I installed LH Ver 5 and when I try to open it I get an error message:
>
>
>
> ke5fx.dyndns.org not found (code 11004)
>
>
>
> Was I supposed to install it in the old LH Folder ?
>
>
>
> Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ
>
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem - full screen mode

[Richard W. Solomon]

Figured out how to get Full Screen mode ... just ticked on the Little 
Lady in the top left corner and ticked on MAXIMIZE ... voila, success.

Tnx es HH, Dick, W1KSZ

-Original Message-
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bill Riches
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 6:13 AM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem - full screen mode

Took a while but found out that /vs /fu worked for me.  Slick!

Bill, WA2DVU

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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 1:06 AM
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem - full screen mode

Ahhh, full screen mode... the demon mode from hell.  On most modern systems 
with large monitors it crashed the program.  It uses DirectDraw and if your 
DirectDraw implementation does not handle your monitor size, bye bye Heather.  
That means full screen mode (or clicking the MAXIMIZE button or pressing F11 
crashes Heather unless your monitor or graphics driver was a standard VGA era 
screen res like 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, or 1280x1024). Only those four 
monitor widths allow full screen mode.  Monitor height is not check for.

Because pressing the MAXIMIZE button was quite easy to do accidentally,  full 
screen mode is disabled by default (but F11 can't be disabled).  If your 
monitor / graphics driver is one of the magic sizes you can enable full screen 
mode with the new /fu command.  For instance for a 1024x768 screen try:
   /fu /vm

If you have a larger monitor and can configure your display driver for one of 
the magic sizes, that works.

The /f command now brings up Heather in a windowed mode sized to fill (most of) 
the screen.  You can also do that with $f from the keyboard.

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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem - full screen mode

[Bill Riches]

Took a while but found out that /vs /fu worked for me.  Slick!

Bill, WA2DVU

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 1:06 AM
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem - full screen mode

Ahhh, full screen mode... the demon mode from hell.  On most modern systems 
with large monitors it crashed the program.  It uses DirectDraw and if your 
DirectDraw implementation does not handle your monitor size, bye bye Heather.  
That means full screen mode (or clicking the MAXIMIZE button or pressing F11 
crashes Heather unless your monitor or graphics driver was a standard VGA era 
screen res like 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, or 1280x1024). Only those four 
monitor widths allow full screen mode.  Monitor height is not check for.

Because pressing the MAXIMIZE button was quite easy to do accidentally,  full 
screen mode is disabled by default (but F11 can't be disabled).  If your 
monitor / graphics driver is one of the magic sizes you can enable full screen 
mode with the new /fu command.  For instance for a 1024x768 screen try:
   /fu /vm

If you have a larger monitor and can configure your display driver for one of 
the magic sizes, that works.

The /f command now brings up Heather in a windowed mode sized to fill (most of) 
the screen.  You can also do that with $f from the keyboard.

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[time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available - date formats

[Mark Sims]

Heather defaults to the unambiguous format 13 DEC 2016.  There is a command for 
showing the date in the ISO format -ddd where ddd is the day of the year.   

I just added back the -mm-dd format.  It was in there at one time, but got 
lost somewhere along the way...

Why can't the world standardize of the Mayan long count?  Heather can do that 
right now.
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem

[Richard W. Solomon]

I think I found the answer. It seems that two shortcuts found there way 
onto the screen. I just picked the wrong one.

HOWEVER, how do I get it to open in Full Screen Mode ? I tried adding the 
/f command at the end, but it still opens in small screen mode /

The O/S is Windows XP.

Tnx, Dick, W1KSZ

-Original Message-
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Richard W. 
Solomon
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 12:45 PM
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem

I installed LH Ver 5 and when I try to open it I get an error message:

 

ke5fx.dyndns.org not found (code 11004)

 

Was I supposed to install it in the old LH Folder ?

 

Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ

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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

[David J Taylor]

Mark,

While I have not (yet) used Lady Heather, I plan on doing so as soon as I 
can
get my GPSDO. However, I do have a feature suggestion. You have an option 
that

allows dates to be expressions in the European format DD-MM- vs. the US
format of MM-DD-. What about an option to express dates in ISO standard
format: -MM-DD. Personally, that is the only date format that I use and 
it

has the advantage of being easily sorted. That may make processing collected
data easier.

Michael
===

Michael,

I agree with your sentiments.

I'm using the Windows version, which appears to use the dd-mmm- format, 
quite acceptable to me as European.


For file names I use the format you suggest, for the same reasons: 
-mm-dd


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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

[timenut]

Mark,

While I have not (yet) used Lady Heather, I plan on doing so as soon as I can
get my GPSDO. However, I do have a feature suggestion. You have an option that
allows dates to be expressions in the European format DD-MM- vs. the US
format of MM-DD-. What about an option to express dates in ISO standard
format: -MM-DD. Personally, that is the only date format that I use and it
has the advantage of being easily sorted. That may make processing collected
data easier.

Michael

> Lady Heather version 5.0 is now available for download from:
>http://www.ke5fx.com/heather/readme.htm

> Many thanks to John Miles for hosting the distribution and his work on the
> Windows installer, PDF documentation file, readme file, and bring an 
> all-around good guy.

> Heather now has some proper user documentation.  Check the heather.pdf file
> and/or the comments in the first 3500+ lines of the heather.cpp file. 
> Heather can be compiled for Linux (including the Raspberry Pi) and macOS. 
> Download the heatherx11.zip file and check the readme.txt file for 
> compilation instructions.

> There are MANY new features in Heather.  One of the main ones is support
> for many new receiver types.  When Heather is started it defaults to
> attempting to automatically determine the receiver type.   You can bypass
> this and force the receiver type using the new "/rx..." command line
> options.  Some receiver types cannot be auto-detected.  Also many receivers
> power up speaking NMEA and you can enable their native binary language using
> the /rx commands.  Native binary mode gives better information and allows
> controlling the receiver configuration and settings.

> Currently-supported receivers include: 
> Trimble Thunderbolt and Thunderbolt-E
> Acron Zeit WWVB receiver
> UCCM - Trimble / Symmetricom GPSDOs
> DATUM STARLOC II GPSDO
> NEC GPSDO (STAR-4 compatible)
> GPSD interface
> Jupiter-T (aka Zodiac)
> Lucent KS24361 REF0/Z3811A (19200:8:N:1)
> Motorola binary format
> Generic NMEA receiver
> Trimble Resolution T family with odd parity
> Sirf binary
> Generic Trimble TSIP binary
> Ublox UBX binary
> Venus mixed binary / NMEA
> Nortel SCPI-compatible GPSDOs (NTWB, NTPX, etc.)
> Z3801A and compatible SCPI GPSDOs
> HP 5-style SCPI
> Oscilloquartz STAR-4 (via the management interface)
> NVS binary
> PC system clock (no receiver)

> After installing Heather, you should edit the heather.cfg file (or the
> PROPERTIES setting for the desktop icon) for your desired configuration. 
> Everybody should change the "/tz" option for their time zone... it comes set
> up for the US central time zone.  International uses should add a "/b..."
> command to set their daylight savings time information.   On Windows, you
> can press the "n" key and that will bring up NOTEPAD to edit the file.  For
> the changes to take effect you will need to re-start Heather (or do a "r 
> heather.cfg" keyboard command).



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[time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem - full screen mode

[Mark Sims]

Ahhh, full screen mode... the demon mode from hell.  On most modern systems 
with large monitors it crashed the program.  It uses DirectDraw and if your 
DirectDraw implementation does not handle your monitor size, bye bye Heather.  
That means full screen mode (or clicking the MAXIMIZE button or pressing F11 
crashes Heather unless your monitor or graphics driver was a standard VGA era 
screen res like 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, or 1280x1024). Only those four 
monitor widths allow full screen mode.  Monitor height is not check for.

Because pressing the MAXIMIZE button was quite easy to do accidentally,  full 
screen mode is disabled by default (but F11 can't be disabled).  If your 
monitor / graphics driver is one of the magic sizes you can enable full screen 
mode with the new /fu command.  For instance for a 1024x768 screen try:
   /fu /vm

If you have a larger monitor and can configure your display driver for one of 
the magic sizes, that works.

The /f command now brings up Heather in a windowed mode sized to fill (most of) 
the screen.  You can also do that with $f from the keyboard.

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[time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem

[Mark Sims]

Microsoft recently pushed out a WIN10 update that broke DHCP and a few other 
networking features.  It's affecting LARGE numbers of systems worldwide.  The 
most common symptom is that you can no longer get to the internet since Windows 
can't find your router,  but other more subtle glitches have been reported.

--

>  The explanation is rather difficult to parse.  It seems it's indicating
that an MX record was found (somewhere you could send email) but no A
record (a server you could connect to).

As John says, probably a temporary problem.
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem

[Richard W. Solomon]

As I e-mailed earlier, the cause was ticking the wrong shortcut.
Once I ticked the right one, it opened up.

NOW, how does one get it to run in full screen mode. I tried the /f 
tag but it did not work.

Any ideas ?

Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ

-Original Message-
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of John Miles
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 10:04 PM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem

The error message in question came from the IPCONN::connect() method in 
ipconn.cpp.  That particular code (11004) is returned by gethostbyname() when 
it fails to resolve a DNS name.  Normally, when Heather tries to connect to the 
test server, gethostbyname() is used to turn "ke5fx.dyndns.org" into a numeric 
address that can be passed to connect().  If it returns 11004, it means that 
the client's DNS provider was able to find a record, but couldn't actually 
resolve it.  

Should just be a temporary glitch in the Matrix.  Nothing specific can be done 
about it AFAIK.

-- john, KE5FX
Miles Design LLC

> I grep'd all the source code and there is no 11004 anywhere in the program...
> 

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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem

[Orin Eman]

For a little more detail see WSA_NODATA here:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms740668(v=vs.85).aspx

The explanation is rather difficult to parse.  It seems it's indicating
that an MX record was found (somewhere you could send email) but no A
record (a server you could connect to).

As John says, probably a temporary problem.

Orin; never seen that one before.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:04 PM, John Miles  wrote:

> The error message in question came from the IPCONN::connect() method in
> ipconn.cpp.  That particular code (11004) is returned by gethostbyname()
> when it fails to resolve a DNS name.  Normally, when Heather tries to
> connect to the test server, gethostbyname() is used to turn "
> ke5fx.dyndns.org" into a numeric address that can be passed to
> connect().  If it returns 11004, it means that the client's DNS provider
> was able to find a record, but couldn't actually resolve it.
>
> Should just be a temporary glitch in the Matrix.  Nothing specific can be
> done about it AFAIK.
>
> -- john, KE5FX
> Miles Design LLC
>
> > I grep'd all the source code and there is no 11004 anywhere in the
> program...
> >
>
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem

[John Miles]

The error message in question came from the IPCONN::connect() method in 
ipconn.cpp.  That particular code (11004) is returned by gethostbyname() when 
it fails to resolve a DNS name.  Normally, when Heather tries to connect to the 
test server, gethostbyname() is used to turn "ke5fx.dyndns.org" into a numeric 
address that can be passed to connect().  If it returns 11004, it means that 
the client's DNS provider was able to find a record, but couldn't actually 
resolve it.  

Should just be a temporary glitch in the Matrix.  Nothing specific can be done 
about it AFAIK.

-- john, KE5FX
Miles Design LLC

> I grep'd all the source code and there is no 11004 anywhere in the program...
> 

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[time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem

[Mark Sims]

I grep'd all the source code and there is no 11004 anywhere in the program...



> ke5fx.dyndns.org not found (code 11004)
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem

[John Miles]

Hmm, no, that shouldn't affect anything.  Sounds like a DNS issue of some kind, 
presumably (but not necessarily) at your end.  Try again?

-- john, KE5FX
Miles Design LLC


> -Original Message-
> From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of
> Richard W. Solomon
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 11:45 AM
> To: time-nuts@febo.com
> Subject: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem
> 
> I installed LH Ver 5 and when I try to open it I get an error message:
> 
> 
> 
> ke5fx.dyndns.org not found (code 11004)
> 
> 
> 
> Was I supposed to install it in the old LH Folder ?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ
> 
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

[Alberto di Bene]

On 12/12/2016 7:38 PM, Azelio Boriani wrote:

Maybe that the "Start In" field in the Properties Panel must be set if
windows is not in US language mode. When windows is italian, for
example, the Program Files folder becomes Programmi.



Azelio,

  none of my PCs is set for Italian languages... the first thing I do when 
installing from fresh is
to change from the default Italian to English US language... I can't stand a PC 
that talks to me
in Italian...  :-)

Moreover, as written, I installed LH in the E:\Ham\GPS\Heather_V5 folder, well 
outside of the
Program Files hierarchy.  And everything worked as it should only after I had 
properly filled
the "Start In" field of the Property panel.

73  Alberto  I2PHD



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[time-nuts] Lady Heather Ver 5 Problem

[Richard W. Solomon]

I installed LH Ver 5 and when I try to open it I get an error message:

 

ke5fx.dyndns.org not found (code 11004)

 

Was I supposed to install it in the old LH Folder ?

 

Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ

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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

[Azelio Boriani]

Maybe that the "Start In" field in the Properties Panel must be set if
windows is not in US language mode. When windows is italian, for
example, the Program Files folder becomes Programmi.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:53 AM, David J Taylor
 wrote:
> Hello Mark,
>
> many thanks for your immense and invaluable work!
>
> I am using the trimble thunderbold together with LH version 3 all the
> last years with success, I like your program very much.
> I downloaded and installed today the version 5, but I have some problems
> because it looks like my windows 7 does
> not get access to the heather.cfg file, what do I wrong? Anybody has an
> idea how to do it right?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Arnold, DK2WT
> =
>
> Arnold,
>
> Like much software where the user needs to edit a configuration file, it's
> best installed /outside/ the "Program Files" directory:
>
> - Create a new directory C:\Tools\
> - (optional) Set the permissions to Everyone, Full control
> - Created a new directory C:\Tools\LadyHeather\  (your choice of name)
> - Right-click the LH download, Properties.
>  - If "Unblock" is present & checked, uncheck it.
> - Install LH here.
>
> It's running correctly on my Win10/64 system.  More information:
>
>
> http://planeplotter.pbworks.com/Using%20Plane%20Plotter%20on%20Windows-7%20and%20Vista
>
> 73,
> David GM8ARV
> --
> SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
> Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
> Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk
> Twitter: @gm8arv
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

[David J Taylor]

Hello Mark,

many thanks for your immense and invaluable work!

I am using the trimble thunderbold together with LH version 3 all the
last years with success, I like your program very much.
I downloaded and installed today the version 5, but I have some problems
because it looks like my windows 7 does
not get access to the heather.cfg file, what do I wrong? Anybody has an
idea how to do it right?

Many thanks

Arnold, DK2WT
=

Arnold,

Like much software where the user needs to edit a configuration file, it's 
best installed /outside/ the "Program Files" directory:


- Create a new directory C:\Tools\
- (optional) Set the permissions to Everyone, Full control
- Created a new directory C:\Tools\LadyHeather\  (your choice of name)
- Right-click the LH download, Properties.
 - If "Unblock" is present & checked, uncheck it.
- Install LH here.

It's running correctly on my Win10/64 system.  More information:

 
http://planeplotter.pbworks.com/Using%20Plane%20Plotter%20on%20Windows-7%20and%20Vista

73,
David GM8ARV
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Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

[Mike Millen]

Confirmation... setting the "Start In" field to match the "Target" field 
allows LH to use the heather.cfg in the Target directory, irrespective 
of where the shortcut is placed.


Mike

On 12/12/2016 06:44, Mike Millen wrote:



On 11/12/2016 23:23, Alberto di Bene wrote:

On 12/12/2016 12:00 AM, John Miles wrote:
But when Heather's initial working directory isn't in the usual 
Program Files hierarchy,
it tries to load the .cfg file from the same directory as the 
executable.



In my case the ,cfg files was in the same directory as the 
executable, outside the "Program Files" hierarchy, but
apparently LH did not find it, at least not until I manually set that 
"Start In" field in the Properties panel.



73  Alberto  I2PHD



My problem (on W7) was a little different...

LH ran OK from the shortcut it placed on the desktop, using the 
heather.cfg it placed in the \programfiles\heather directory.


When I moved that shortcut to another directory it could no longer see 
the .cfg file.
I fixed it by putting another heather.cfg in the folder with the 
shortcut... works fine again.


I'll try Alberto's fix instead... I'm sure it will work ok.

Mike



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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

[Mike Millen]

On 11/12/2016 23:23, Alberto di Bene wrote:

On 12/12/2016 12:00 AM, John Miles wrote:
But when Heather's initial working directory isn't in the usual 
Program Files hierarchy,
it tries to load the .cfg file from the same directory as the 
executable.



In my case the ,cfg files was in the same directory as the executable, 
outside the "Program Files" hierarchy, but
apparently LH did not find it, at least not until I manually set that 
"Start In" field in the Properties panel.



73  Alberto  I2PHD



My problem (on W7) was a little different...

LH ran OK from the shortcut it placed on the desktop, using the 
heather.cfg it placed in the \programfiles\heather directory.


When I moved that shortcut to another directory it could no longer see 
the .cfg file.
I fixed it by putting another heather.cfg in the folder with the 
shortcut... works fine again.


I'll try Alberto's fix instead... I'm sure it will work ok.

Mike

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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

[n2lym]

Arnold,

I also set the time zone using the 'tz' command while LH is running. 
Sorry, I forgot to mention that.








On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 07:52 PM, Arnold Tibus wrote:


Hi Mike,

my installation did work the same way as you describe, the program did
start and showed UTC -
but as I am living in another time zone and I did want to show CET (or
in german MEZ), I tried to modify this by using the config file in the
program directory and not to append the commands in the start command 
-

with no reaction.
Therfore I started my investigation.
As said, if I put the .cfg file in the system32 directory I can set 
eg.

the new time zone.
Strange, if I enable eg. the esc esc command to shut off LH, it does 
the
job well, but with the exception for the time zone setting, this and 
all

the other commands once set are not anymore to be disabled ... ?
I think this is in better hands with the experts.

Unfortunately I am not at home so I am not in the position to run LH
with my Thunderbolt, but one can start at least with the time display
functions :-)

Yes, I forgot to thank as well John for the great program, sorry John!

73
Arnold, DK2WT




Am 12.12.2016 um 01:09 schrieb n2lym:

Hi Arnold,

I'm running windows pro 64bit, it installed in Program Files(x86). I
made a shortcut on the desktop that points to heather.exe with the /3
switch because my lucent box is there on serial port 3.  Lady Heather
auto detected and all is well.

Many thanks to Mark and John for this great work!


73
Mike N2LYM




On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 06:49 PM, Arnold Tibus wrote:


John,
I am a none in programming, but can anybody tell me why it does 
work?

I tried it now several times with different settings for the time
zone ...
I am running WIN7 pro 64 and the program did install in Program
Files(86).
Editing the heather.cfg in this directory does have no effects ...
???

Arnold, DK2WT

Am 11.12.2016 um 23:19 schrieb John Miles:

Hmm, that doesn't make any sense at all.  Nothing should be written
to \windows\system32 by the installer under any conditions.
-- john, KE5FX
Miles Design LLC


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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

[John Miles]

> As said, if I put the .cfg file in the system32 directory I can set eg.
> the new time zone.
> Strange, if I enable eg. the esc esc command to shut off LH, it does the
> job well, but with the exception for the time zone setting, this and all
> the other commands once set are not anymore to be disabled ... ?
> I think this is in better hands with the experts.
> 
> Unfortunately I am not at home so I am not in the position to run LH
> with my Thunderbolt, but one can start at least with the time display
> functions :-)
> 
> Yes, I forgot to thank as well John for the great program, sorry John!

You're welcome -- I'm really just the Web host here, all the good stuff is 
Mark's. :)

It's true that there is a copy of heather.cfg in the installation directory, 
but it's only stored there to make the installation a complete copy of my 
development directory.  (In other words, if you have Inno Setup installed on 
your machine, you should be able to create your own distribution of LH by 
running the same batch file I do to create a release.)  This copy of 
heather.cfg is not read by the program under normal conditions.   For the most 
part you should only be working with the .cfg file in your Documents folder.

>From what I can see, it looks like the .cfg file will always be created in 
>\users\\documents as intended, and accessed there as well.  As 
>things stand, Mark's current code appears to do the right thing even if you 
>don't install to the Program Files subtree, as long as you launch it from the 
>shortcut and not the command prompt.  So most users should be OK with the 
>current behavior.  

My main point is, if the program is doing anything at all in the 
\windows\system32 folder, something has gone very wrong somewhere.  I've never 
seen that before, and I'm afraid I don't have any ideas to offer.  It should 
certainly not be looking there for the .cfg file, unless you somehow managed to 
install the program itself there... and even then, it still shouldn't. :-P  
We'll need to see if anyone else reports similar behavior.

-- john, KE5FX
Miles Design LLC

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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

[Arnold Tibus]

Hi Mike,

my installation did work the same way as you describe, the program did
start and showed UTC -
but as I am living in another time zone and I did want to show CET (or
in german MEZ), I tried to modify this by using the config file in the
program directory and not to append the commands in the start command -
with no reaction.
Therfore I started my investigation.
As said, if I put the .cfg file in the system32 directory I can set eg.
the new time zone.
Strange, if I enable eg. the esc esc command to shut off LH, it does the
job well, but with the exception for the time zone setting, this and all
the other commands once set are not anymore to be disabled ... ?
I think this is in better hands with the experts.

Unfortunately I am not at home so I am not in the position to run LH
with my Thunderbolt, but one can start at least with the time display
functions :-)

Yes, I forgot to thank as well John for the great program, sorry John!

73
Arnold, DK2WT




Am 12.12.2016 um 01:09 schrieb n2lym:
> Hi Arnold,
>
> I'm running windows pro 64bit, it installed in Program Files(x86). I
> made a shortcut on the desktop that points to heather.exe with the /3
> switch because my lucent box is there on serial port 3.  Lady Heather
> auto detected and all is well.
>
> Many thanks to Mark and John for this great work!
>
>
> 73
> Mike N2LYM
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 06:49 PM, Arnold Tibus wrote:
>
>> John,
>> I am a none in programming, but can anybody tell me why it does work?
>> I tried it now several times with different settings for the time
>> zone ...
>> I am running WIN7 pro 64 and the program did install in Program
>> Files(86).
>> Editing the heather.cfg in this directory does have no effects ...
>> ???
>>
>> Arnold, DK2WT
>>
>> Am 11.12.2016 um 23:19 schrieb John Miles:
>>> Hmm, that doesn't make any sense at all.  Nothing should be written
>>> to \windows\system32 by the installer under any conditions.
>>> -- john, KE5FX
>>> Miles Design LLC 

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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

[Gar Fisher]

Compiles and runs perfect on Ubuntu 16.04, and auto-detects the tbolt right 
away.

THANKS!

-Gar




On 2016-12-11, at 4:09 PM, n2lym wrote:

> Hi Arnold,
> 
> I'm running windows pro 64bit, it installed in Program Files(x86). I made a 
> shortcut on the desktop that points to heather.exe with the /3 switch because 
> my lucent box is there on serial port 3.  Lady Heather auto detected and all 
> is well.
> 
> Many thanks to Mark and John for this great work!
> 
> 
> 73
> Mike N2LYM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 06:49 PM, Arnold Tibus wrote:
> 
>> John,
>> I am a none in programming, but can anybody tell me why it does work?
>> I tried it now several times with different settings for the time zone ...
>> I am running WIN7 pro 64 and the program did install in Program Files(86).
>> Editing the heather.cfg in this directory does have no effects ...
>> ???
>> 
>> Arnold, DK2WT
>> 
>> Am 11.12.2016 um 23:19 schrieb John Miles:
>>> Hmm, that doesn't make any sense at all.  Nothing should be written to 
>>> \windows\system32 by the installer under any conditions.
>>> -- john, KE5FX
>>> Miles Design LLC
>>> 
 Many thanks Brian!
 
 I found it!
 In Windows 7 (10?) this file must be copied into the system32 directory
 of windows in order to be read and enable the instructions to be executed.
 
 73
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

[n2lym]

Hi Arnold,

I'm running windows pro 64bit, it installed in Program Files(x86). I 
made a shortcut on the desktop that points to heather.exe with the /3 
switch because my lucent box is there on serial port 3.  Lady Heather 
auto detected and all is well.


Many thanks to Mark and John for this great work!


73
Mike N2LYM




On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 06:49 PM, Arnold Tibus wrote:


John,
I am a none in programming, but can anybody tell me why it does work?
I tried it now several times with different settings for the time zone 
...
I am running WIN7 pro 64 and the program did install in Program 
Files(86).

Editing the heather.cfg in this directory does have no effects ...
???

Arnold, DK2WT

Am 11.12.2016 um 23:19 schrieb John Miles:
Hmm, that doesn't make any sense at all.  Nothing should be written 
to \windows\system32 by the installer under any conditions.

-- john, KE5FX
Miles Design LLC


Many thanks Brian!

I found it!
In Windows 7 (10?) this file must be copied into the system32 
directory
of windows in order to be read and enable the instructions to be 
executed.


73
Arnold DK2WT

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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

[Arnold Tibus]

John,
I am a none in programming, but can anybody tell me why it does work?
I tried it now several times with different settings for the time zone ...
I am running WIN7 pro 64 and the program did install in Program Files(86).
Editing the heather.cfg in this directory does have no effects ...
???

Arnold, DK2WT

Am 11.12.2016 um 23:19 schrieb John Miles:
> Hmm, that doesn't make any sense at all.  Nothing should be written to 
> \windows\system32 by the installer under any conditions.  
>
> -- john, KE5FX
> Miles Design LLC
>
>> Many thanks Brian!
>>
>> I found it!
>> In Windows 7 (10?) this file must be copied into the system32 directory
>> of windows in order to be read and enable the instructions to be executed.
>>
>> 73
>> Arnold DK2WT
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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

[Magnus Danielson]

Hi Mark,

Many thanks!

I can report that it built without intervention on my Debian linux.
I look forward to test it out on various receivers.

For linux you probably want to set CFLAGS and include -g in the build.
Running with valgrind does not come out clean, which is a good test to 
help catch memory leaks and uninitiated stuff.


Cheers,
Magnus

On 12/10/2016 04:56 PM, Mark Sims wrote:

Lady Heather version 5.0 is now available for download from:
   http://www.ke5fx.com/heather/readme.htm

Many thanks to John Miles for hosting the distribution and his work on the 
Windows installer, PDF documentation file, readme file, and bring an all-around 
good guy.

Heather now has some proper user documentation.  Check the heather.pdf file 
and/or the comments in the first 3500+ lines of the heather.cpp file.  Heather 
can be compiled for Linux (including the Raspberry Pi) and macOS.  Download the 
heatherx11.zip file and check the readme.txt file for compilation instructions.

There are MANY new features in Heather.  One of the main ones is support for many new 
receiver types.  When Heather is started it defaults to attempting to automatically 
determine the receiver type.   You can bypass this and force the receiver type using the 
new "/rx..." command line options.  Some receiver types cannot be 
auto-detected.  Also many receivers power up speaking NMEA and you can enable their 
native binary language using the /rx commands.  Native binary mode gives better 
information and allows controlling the receiver configuration and settings.

Currently-supported receivers include:
Trimble Thunderbolt and Thunderbolt-E
Acron Zeit WWVB receiver
UCCM - Trimble / Symmetricom GPSDOs
DATUM STARLOC II GPSDO
NEC GPSDO (STAR-4 compatible)
GPSD interface
Jupiter-T (aka Zodiac)
Lucent KS24361 REF0/Z3811A (19200:8:N:1)
Motorola binary format
Generic NMEA receiver
Trimble Resolution T family with odd parity
Sirf binary
Generic Trimble TSIP binary
Ublox UBX binary
Venus mixed binary / NMEA
Nortel SCPI-compatible GPSDOs (NTWB, NTPX, etc.)
Z3801A and compatible SCPI GPSDOs
HP 5-style SCPI
Oscilloquartz STAR-4 (via the management interface)
NVS binary
PC system clock (no receiver)

After installing Heather, you should edit the heather.cfg file (or the PROPERTIES setting for the desktop icon) for 
your desired configuration.  Everybody should change the "/tz" option for their time zone... it comes set up 
for the US central time zone.  International uses should add a "/b..." command to set their daylight savings 
time information.   On Windows, you can press the "n" key and that will bring up NOTEPAD to edit the file.  
For the changes to take effect you will need to re-start Heather (or do a "r heather.cfg" keyboard command).



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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

[Alberto di Bene]

On 12/12/2016 12:00 AM, John Miles wrote:

But when Heather's initial working directory isn't in the usual Program Files 
hierarchy,
it tries to load the .cfg file from the same directory as the executable.



In my case the ,cfg files was in the same directory as the executable, outside the 
"Program Files" hierarchy, but
apparently LH did not find it, at least not until I manually set that "Start 
In" field in the Properties panel.


73  Alberto  I2PHD



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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

[John Miles]

Yeah, that's probably something we should fix.  Installation programs don't 
normally set that field at all.  But when Heather's initial working directory 
isn't in the usual Program Files hierarchy, it tries to load the .cfg file from 
the same directory as the executable.  This is something I do to make life 
easier during development.  It's not a problem in applications where the user 
doesn't access the .cfg or.ini file directly, but in this case different parts 
of the program are probably looking for the file in different places.
 
For now, I'd recommend installing LH under the default Program Files or Program 
Files (x86) subtree, just to minimize confusion.  I probably won't have a 
chance to tweak this behavior today, but will try to get to it this week. 

-- john, KE5FX
Miles Design LLC

> Look at this screen capture :
> 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15089947/lh.gif
> 
> When properly set, the error disappeared. My suggestion would be to
> modify the installer so that
> also that field is correctly set.
> 

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