Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update
Hi Adam, If you do not normally monitor this email reflector or contribute to it, why are you using it it promote your commecial product? Are you going to make the circuit and code (or programmed MCUs) available to list members? Robert G8RPI. From: Adam Maurer m...@vklogger.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013, 6:56 Subject: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update Hello all An update: ThunderBolt Display started shipping over a week ago. 31 out the 50 have already been sold. I have made a video on the display, and you can see a working example here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSSZ6BcggBo Any new orders for the “jumbo” sized green and standard sized inverted blue variants will incur a 2 week wait, as these LCDs are only ordered in as-required. I do have a number of standard sized green units available for immediate shipping though on a first-in basis. I am away for 3 weeks in October, so if you want a display sooner than later, you should consider placing an order in the next few days, as it take 2 weeks for the LCDs to arrive. For more information of this device, please refer to: http://vk4ghz.com/thunderbolt-display/ You will find the latest revision of User Guide and Tech Supplement PDFs available as well. PayPal is welcome on the proviso I receive the full amount and you take care of any PayPal fees, if applicable. (This changes from one region to another) One way to avoid fees is to make sure your PayPal account has funds in it, and never draw upon other accounts (especially a credit card). Once these are gone, they are gone, and 130 units will be out there in 12 countries (so far). I do not normally monitor this email reflector, so please email me directly, if you want to obtain a ThunderBolt Display. Cheers, Adam, VK4GHZ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update
Well Robert, In his Youtube video he says it is fully assembled, so no code, schematics or programmed cpu would be forthcoming is how I would interpret it. Up Shot is this is just shameless promotion. From my 99% complete Timenuts list database of saved messages going back to Jan 2006, his first appearance on the list was last year on Oct 3, 2012. This is his third message to the list with all three messages being a sales pitch for his product. It certainly seems to be a one-way gratuitous relationship to say the least. I don't mind people talking about, describing and offering their efforts to the list. But, I do mind when it seems that is the only purpose of their involvement. So, I would vote to have him removed from the list. BillWB6BNQ Robert Atkinson wrote: Hi Adam, If you do not normally monitor this email reflector or contribute to it, why are you using it it promote your commecial product? Are you going to make the circuit and code (or programmed MCUs) available to list members?  Robert G8RPI. From: Adam Maurer m...@vklogger.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013, 6:56 Subject: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update Hello all An update: ThunderBolt Display started shipping over a week ago. 31 out the 50 have already been sold. I have made a video on the display, and you can see a working example here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSSZ6BcggBo Any new orders for the “jumbo� sized green and standard sized inverted blue variants will incur a 2 week wait, as these LCDs are only ordered in as-required. I do have a number of standard sized green units available for immediate shipping though on a first-in basis. I am away for 3 weeks in October, so if you want a display sooner than later, you should consider placing an order in the next few days, as it take 2 weeks for the LCDs to arrive. For more information of this device, please refer to: http://vk4ghz.com/thunderbolt-display/ You will find the latest revision of User Guide and Tech Supplement PDFs available as well. PayPal is welcome on the proviso I receive the full amount and you take care of any PayPal fees, if applicable. (This changes from one region to another) One way to avoid fees is to make sure your PayPal account has funds in it, and never draw upon other accounts (especially a credit card). Once these are gone, they are gone, and 130 units will be out there in 12 countries (so far). I do not normally monitor this email reflector, so please email me directly, if you want to obtain a ThunderBolt Display. Cheers, Adam, VK4GHZ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update
My test for this kind of thing is: Would it be OK if a frequent contributor to the list had posted the same information?. I.e. is the information of interest to the list? In this case, I'd say yes and I have no problem with it being posted here. If he posted the same information every week, it would be a different matter. Then it would be looking mighty spammy. This product? I looked at it and decided it was too expensive for my taste. I'll stick with LH. As for removing anyone from an email list - pointless IMO. The really obnoxious ones come right back with a different email address and you end up playing a game of whack-a-mole. If you don't want to hear from this guy, just set up a filter to trash his emails. On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 12:09 AM, wb6bnq wb6...@cox.net wrote: Well Robert, In his Youtube video he says it is fully assembled, so no code, schematics or programmed cpu would be forthcoming is how I would interpret it. Up Shot is this is just shameless promotion. From my 99% complete Timenuts list database of saved messages going back to Jan 2006, his first appearance on the list was last year on Oct 3, 2012. This is his third message to the list with all three messages being a sales pitch for his product. It certainly seems to be a one-way gratuitous relationship to say the least. I don't mind people talking about, describing and offering their efforts to the list. But, I do mind when it seems that is the only purpose of their involvement. So, I would vote to have him removed from the list. BillWB6BNQ Robert Atkinson wrote: Hi Adam, If you do not normally monitor this email reflector or contribute to it, why are you using it it promote your commecial product? Are you going to make the circuit and code (or programmed MCUs) available to list members?  Robert G8RPI. __**__ From: Adam Maurer m...@vklogger.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013, 6:56 Subject: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update Hello all An update: ThunderBolt Display started shipping over a week ago. 31 out the 50 have already been sold. I have made a video on the display, and you can see a working example here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=BSSZ6BcggBohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSSZ6BcggBo Any new orders for the “jumbo†sized green and standard sized inverted blue variants will incur a 2 week wait, as these LCDs are only ordered in as-required. I do have a number of standard sized green units available for immediate shipping though on a first-in basis. I am away for 3 weeks in October, so if you want a display sooner than later, you should consider placing an order in the next few days, as it take 2 weeks for the LCDs to arrive. For more information of this device, please refer to: http://vk4ghz.com/thunderbolt-**display/http://vk4ghz.com/thunderbolt-display/ You will find the latest revision of User Guide and Tech Supplement PDFs available as well. PayPal is welcome on the proviso I receive the full amount and you take care of any PayPal fees, if applicable. (This changes from one region to another) One way to avoid fees is to make sure your PayPal account has funds in it, and never draw upon other accounts (especially a credit card). Once these are gone, they are gone, and 130 units will be out there in 12 countries (so far). I do not normally monitor this email reflector, so please email me directly, if you want to obtain a ThunderBolt Display. Cheers, Adam, VK4GHZ __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. __**_ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** mailman/listinfo/time-nutshttps://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update
Hi Adam, I have copied this to our outmoded reflector. At least it's low noise and high quality. Sorry but dispite having been a licenced amateur for 35 years, I don't meet your 55+ demographic. I am aware that amateur radio has an aging demographic. That is why I have tutored for the UK licence for 30 years with student ages as low as 10. If you paid $3k for 50 double sided PTH PCBs you need to find a new supplier. I HAVE invested my own money in group projects (not time nuts), in one case an PIC driven LCD display add on for an instrument. I was able to sell these on ebay for $75 and to list/group members for $50. Circuit, source code and Hex file are published and freely available. I also supplied programmed PICs on request. So you are wrong in your statement I seriously doubt somebody like you would (invest in making up kits for a group. I do value my own time which is why I don't waste it on email forums full of people who have lots of opinion but no knowledge. You are correct, I don't contribute much to Time Nuts, I'm here to learn. I have contributed the odd manual PDF (originals purchased and scanned by myself) and some bits and pieces to members off-list. I also sell support software on PROM for other equipment, again at discount to relevant list members and with full details available. Many people do prefer to pay me to program devices, but at least I give them the option and assistance to do it themselves. Don't know what you typed into google, but when I put g8rpi in the third item was an open design for a low noise high voltage power supply of mine. You don't have to waffle on on youtube to contribute! You seem very fond of your voice and face. You imply your display is not a commercial product. I guess its not as it does not appear to comply with C-Tick, FCC or CE requirements :-) I'm aware of the time and effort required to make webpages, I've had formal training on the subject. I don't have a webpage, I contribute directly to specific groups. I don't need to boost my ego online. Your main website looks like a shop to me. Your other webpage http://www.qsl.net/vk4cp/ is interesting Your other product the Icom Multi-send looks a great design, or not. $79 for a PIC 3 Sil relay a few connectors and an undrilled case. On your display, why no circuit? looking at the pictures it has TWO 28 pin Microchip devices. If these are both MCUs I don't think much of your coding skills My display used a single 14 pin PIC. And a rotary SWITCH for mode selection, how quaint and old fashioned. Also why the 3.3V regulator? You claim 0.02V accuracy. Really? I see no voltage reference and if you are using the PICs internal ADC thats only 10 bits so about 0.015V resolution for 0-15V input. With no other errors that's 0.03V (+_1 LSB) at best. I guess you could have a Vref and offset circuit on the other side of the PCB though. Couldn't you have included your commander functionaliy? This would save users from the messing about with programmers that you seem to think they hate (yes I know you said you have supplied programmed chips). Don't know what problem you have with engineers, without them you would not have much equipment. For the record I'm a Chartered Engineer, Member of the Royal Aeronautical Society. I've been a licenced aircraft engineer for 30 years and currently design avionics and systems. That includes work on VH aircraft, this grumpy old engineer may have designed a critical part on the next aircraft you fly on! I did not initiate a personal attack on somebody, nor did I say that you do not contribute anything (I said you did not contribute to the Time nuts list, by your own admission you don't). I asked three questions. Obviously these touched a nerve. G'day, Robert Atkinson CEng MRAeS G8RPI. From: Adam Maurer m...@vklogger.com To: Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013, 13:13 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update Robert, I don’t bother with email reflectors, because they are too last century. email reflectors are ok if you are 55+, but they do not do anything positive to engage the much needed younger demographic into ham radio. In case you haven’t noticed, ham radio is literally dying of old age. Do you honestly think younger people with smartphone these can get interested in these 1990’s text based email reflectors? They want something more engaging these days. I’m sorry (for you) that your demographic fails to appreciate this. I posted about the display because it was suggested by another ham (who is a timenuts member) that I might be able to help others with a solution. Quite a few timenuts members now have this display, and they absolutely like it. The fact that you have this expectation that everything will be served on a silver platter for nothing, and obviously place ZERO value on your own time to develop something like
Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update
Oh dear, was it something you said? In a message dated 12/09/2013 21:01:42 GMT Daylight Time, robert8...@yahoo.co.uk writes: Hi Adam, I have copied this to our outmoded reflector. At least it's low noise and high quality. Sorry but dispite having been a licenced amateur for 35 years, I don't meet your 55+ demographic. I am aware that amateur radio has an aging demographic. That is why I have tutored for the UK licence for 30 years with student ages as low as 10. If you paid $3k for 50 double sided PTH PCBs you need to find a new supplier. I HAVE invested my own money in group projects (not time nuts), in one case an PIC driven LCD display add on for an instrument. I was able to sell these on ebay for $75 and to list/group members for $50. Circuit, source code and Hex file are published and freely available. I also supplied programmed PICs on request. So you are wrong in your statement I seriously doubt somebody like you would (invest in making up kits for a group. I do value my own time which is why I don't waste it on email forums full of people who have lots of opinion but no knowledge. You are correct, I don't contribute much to Time Nuts, I'm here to learn. I have contributed the odd manual PDF (originals purchased and scanned by myself) and some bits and pieces to members off-list. I also sell support software on PROM for other equipment, again at discount to relevant list members and with full details available. Many people do prefer to pay me to program devices, but at least I give them the option and assistance to do it themselves. Don't know what you typed into google, but when I put g8rpi in the third item was an open design for a low noise high voltage power supply of mine. You don't have to waffle on on youtube to contribute! You seem very fond of your voice and face. You imply your display is not a commercial product. I guess its not as it does not appear to comply with C-Tick, FCC or CE requirements :-) I'm aware of the time and effort required to make webpages, I've had formal training on the subject. I don't have a webpage, I contribute directly to specific groups. I don't need to boost my ego online. Your main website looks like a shop to me. Your other webpage http://www.qsl.net/vk4cp/ is interesting Your other product the Icom Multi-send looks a great design, or not. $79 for a PIC 3 Sil relay a few connectors and an undrilled case. On your display, why no circuit? looking at the pictures it has TWO 28 pin Microchip devices. If these are both MCUs I don't think much of your coding skills My display used a single 14 pin PIC. And a rotary SWITCH for mode selection, how quaint and old fashioned. Also why the 3.3V regulator? You claim 0.02V accuracy. Really? I see no voltage reference and if you are using the PICs internal ADC thats only 10 bits so about 0.015V resolution for 0-15V input. With no other errors that's 0.03V (+_1 LSB) at best. I guess you could have a Vref and offset circuit on the other side of the PCB though. Couldn't you have included your commander functionaliy? This would save users from the messing about with programmers that you seem to think they hate (yes I know you said you have supplied programmed chips). Don't know what problem you have with engineers, without them you would not have much equipment. For the record I'm a Chartered Engineer, Member of the Royal Aeronautical Society. I've been a licenced aircraft engineer for 30 years and currently design avionics and systems. That includes work on VH aircraft, this grumpy old engineer may have designed a critical part on the next aircraft you fly on! I did not initiate a personal attack on somebody, nor did I say that you do not contribute anything (I said you did not contribute to the Time nuts list, by your own admission you don't). I asked three questions. Obviously these touched a nerve. G'day, Robert Atkinson CEng MRAeS G8RPI. From: Adam Maurer m...@vklogger.com To: Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013, 13:13 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update Robert, I don’t bother with email reflectors, because they are too last century. email reflectors are ok if you are 55+, but they do not do anything positive to engage the much needed younger demographic into ham radio. In case you haven’t noticed, ham radio is literally dying of old age. Do you honestly think younger people with smartphone these can get interested in these 1990’s text based email reflectors? They want something more engaging these days. I’m sorry (for you) that your demographic fails to appreciate this. I posted about the display because it was suggested by another ham (who is a timenuts member) that I might be able to help others with a solution. Quite a few timenuts members now have this display
Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update
What makes Ham Radio and the Time Nuts site successful is the comeradery and respect we feel for those with a mutual interest. Time Nuts allows everyone novice to industry professionals in the Time and Frequency community to freely exchange ideas, and perhaps more importantly meet others with a common passion. I have already meet people on this site that have developed into friendships that I will value for the rest of my life. Lets respect those loft ideals of those who created this irreplaceable resource. I look forward to this site continuing to be a place I go for both knowledge and enjoyment. In addition I enjoy seeing new products that may be of interest to us Nuts like the Time Pod and these TB displays, but perhaps an additional link where everyone from individual inventors to giants like Agilent could present TF products and post research papers would be a cool idea and perhaps lead to a revenue stream that could help fund the site to insure it will be here for generations to come. So lets say Agilent shows off the New 53230A, we could then post comments on our impressions of it strengths and weaknesses. Thanks again to all that contribute on this site. Best Wishes; Thomas Knox From: gandal...@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 17:12:48 -0400 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update Oh dear, was it something you said? In a message dated 12/09/2013 21:01:42 GMT Daylight Time, robert8...@yahoo.co.uk writes: Hi Adam, I have copied this to our outmoded reflector. At least it's low noise and high quality. Sorry but dispite having been a licenced amateur for 35 years, I don't meet your 55+ demographic. I am aware that amateur radio has an aging demographic. That is why I have tutored for the UK licence for 30 years with student ages as low as 10. If you paid $3k for 50 double sided PTH PCBs you need to find a new supplier. I HAVE invested my own money in group projects (not time nuts), in one case an PIC driven LCD display add on for an instrument. I was able to sell these on ebay for $75 and to list/group members for $50. Circuit, source code and Hex file are published and freely available. I also supplied programmed PICs on request. So you are wrong in your statement I seriously doubt somebody like you would (invest in making up kits for a group. I do value my own time which is why I don't waste it on email forums full of people who have lots of opinion but no knowledge. You are correct, I don't contribute much to Time Nuts, I'm here to learn. I have contributed the odd manual PDF (originals purchased and scanned by myself) and some bits and pieces to members off-list. I also sell support software on PROM for other equipment, again at discount to relevant list members and with full details available. Many people do prefer to pay me to program devices, but at least I give them the option and assistance to do it themselves. Don't know what you typed into google, but when I put g8rpi in the third item was an open design for a low noise high voltage power supply of mine. You don't have to waffle on on youtube to contribute! You seem very fond of your voice and face. You imply your display is not a commercial product. I guess its not as it does not appear to comply with C-Tick, FCC or CE requirements :-) I'm aware of the time and effort required to make webpages, I've had formal training on the subject. I don't have a webpage, I contribute directly to specific groups. I don't need to boost my ego online. Your main website looks like a shop to me. Your other webpage http://www.qsl.net/vk4cp/ is interesting Your other product the Icom Multi-send looks a great design, or not. $79 for a PIC 3 Sil relay a few connectors and an undrilled case. On your display, why no circuit? looking at the pictures it has TWO 28 pin Microchip devices. If these are both MCUs I don't think much of your coding skills My display used a single 14 pin PIC. And a rotary SWITCH for mode selection, how quaint and old fashioned. Also why the 3.3V regulator? You claim 0.02V accuracy. Really? I see no voltage reference and if you are using the PICs internal ADC thats only 10 bits so about 0.015V resolution for 0-15V input. With no other errors that's 0.03V (+_1 LSB) at best. I guess you could have a Vref and offset circuit on the other side of the PCB though. Couldn't you have included your commander functionaliy? This would save users from the messing about with programmers that you seem to think they hate (yes I know you said you have supplied programmed chips). Don't know what problem you have with engineers, without them you would not have much equipment. For the record I'm a Chartered Engineer, Member of the Royal Aeronautical Society. I've been a licenced aircraft engineer for 30
Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update
. Really? I see no voltage reference and if you are using the PICs internal ADC thats only 10 bits so about 0.015V resolution for 0-15V input. With no other errors that's 0.03V (+_1 LSB) at best. I guess you could have a Vref and offset circuit on the other side of the PCB though. Couldn't you have included your commander functionaliy? This would save users from the messing about with programmers that you seem to think they hate (yes I know you said you have supplied programmed chips). Don't know what problem you have with engineers, without them you would not have much equipment. For the record I'm a Chartered Engineer, Member of the Royal Aeronautical Society. I've been a licenced aircraft engineer for 30 years and currently design avionics and systems. That includes work on VH aircraft, this grumpy old engineer may have designed a critical part on the next aircraft you fly on! I did not initiate a personal attack on somebody, nor did I say that you do not contribute anything (I said you did not contribute to the Time nuts list, by your own admission you don't). I asked three questions. Obviously these touched a nerve. G'day, Robert Atkinson CEng MRAeS G8RPI. From: Adam Maurer m...@vklogger.com To: Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013, 13:13 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update Robert, I donâEUR^(TM)t bother with email reflectors, because they are too last century. email reflectors are ok if you are 55+, but they do not do anything positive to engage the much needed younger demographic into ham radio.  In case you havenâEUR^(TM)t noticed, ham radio is literally dying of old age. Do you honestly think younger people with smartphone these can get interested in these 1990âEUR^(TM)s text based email reflectors? They want something more engaging these days. IâEUR^(TM)m sorry (for you) that your demographic fails to appreciate this.  I posted about the display because it was suggested by another ham (who is a timenuts member) that I might be able to help others with a solution. Quite a few timenuts members now have this display, and they absolutely like it.  The fact that you have this expectation that everything will be served on a silver platter for nothing, and obviously place ZERO value on your own time to develop something like this, donâEUR^(TM)t automatically assume everybody else is the same.  Would you put up over $3k of your own money to kick start a production run of boards with no guarantee they will all be sold, let alone get your money back. I seriously doubt somebody like you would. But people like you are quick to shoot down those who do take risks.  If you want to tinker and develop something, great. Others can be time poor and just want the opportunity to purchase a ready made solution. People like me fill that void.  I must say, you come across as a typical grumpy old ham who expects everything for nothing. And, are you familiar with the term âEURoeTall Poppy SyndromeâEUR? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome  If you had bothered to spend a few minutes to find out, you would have come across my ThunderBolt Commander project. PICAXE code is there, suggested Veroboard layout is there, schematic is all there. Whether you have one of my displays or something else, I couldnâEUR^(TM)t care, and itâEUR^(TM)s freely available to any ThunderBolt user, and many have found it useful. IâEUR^(TM)ve even supplied pre-programmed PICAXEs free of charge to those who have contacted me that do not have the ability to do this. Have you done something like this recently for fellow hams?  And you have the nerve of publically saying I do not contribute anything. If you could let me know what ThunderBolt related projects you have shared and made available. My Google searches are not finding much at all.  And what have you made available to the wider ham community? I canâEUR^(TM)t find your website. You do have a website to openly share information, donâEUR^(TM)t you?  If you go to vk4ghz.com, which was only launched 2 months ago, you will see how much info I share on projects. Being web illiterate, you may not appreciate how much time it takes to take photos, Photoshop them, and write things up. Of course, I could just do what the typical grumpy old man does, and not publish anything on the internet... and just moan about others on some 1990âEUR^(TM)s email reflector. I donâEUR^(TM)t wish to stereotype, but this is all too common for hams in the 50+ demo.  I still canâEUR^(TM)t find much from you on the internet though? Perhaps Google is broken. Why wonâEUR^(TM)t YOU share things and contribute to the broader community?  I also run a ham radio forum, with almost 2,000 members. ItâEUR^(TM)s relatively large for this region, and many non-VK members have stated how useful it is. It has literally cost me many of thousands of dollars to run
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think much of your coding skills My display used a single 14 pin PIC. And a rotary SWITCH for mode selection, how quaint and old fashioned. Also why the 3.3V regulator? You claim 0.02V accuracy. Really? I see no voltage reference and if you are using the PICs internal ADC thats only 10 bits so about 0.015V resolution for 0-15V input. With no other errors that's 0.03V (+_1 LSB) at best. I guess you could have a Vref and offset circuit on the other side of the PCB though. Couldn't you have included your commander functionaliy? This would save users from the messing about with programmers that you seem to think they hate (yes I know you said you have supplied programmed chips). Don't know what problem you have with engineers, without them you would not have much equipment. For the record I'm a Chartered Engineer, Member of the Royal Aeronautical Society. I've been a licenced aircraft engineer for 30 years and currently design avionics and systems. That includes work on VH aircraft, this grumpy old engineer may have designed a critical part on the next aircraft you fly on! I did not initiate a personal attack on somebody, nor did I say that you do not contribute anything (I said you did not contribute to the Time nuts list, by your own admission you don't). I asked three questions. Obviously these touched a nerve. G'day, Robert Atkinson CEng MRAeS G8RPI. __**__ From: Adam Maurer m...@vklogger.com To: Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013, 13:13 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update Robert, I donâEUR^(TM)t bother with email reflectors, because they are too last century. email reflectors are ok if you are 55+, but they do not do anything positive to engage the much needed younger demographic into ham radio.  In case you havenâEUR^(TM)t noticed, ham radio is literally dying of old age. Do you honestly think younger people with smartphone these can get interested in these 1990âEUR^(TM)s text based email reflectors? They want something more engaging these days. IâEUR^(TM)m sorry (for you) that your demographic fails to appreciate this.  I posted about the display because it was suggested by another ham (who is a timenuts member) that I might be able to help others with a solution. Quite a few timenuts members now have this display, and they absolutely like it.  The fact that you have this expectation that everything will be served on a silver platter for nothing, and obviously place ZERO value on your own time to develop something like this, donâEUR^(TM)t automatically assume everybody else is the same.  Would you put up over $3k of your own money to kick start a production run of boards with no guarantee they will all be sold, let alone get your money back. I seriously doubt somebody like you would. But people like you are quick to shoot down those who do take risks.  If you want to tinker and develop something, great. Others can be time poor and just want the opportunity to purchase a ready made solution. People like me fill that void.  I must say, you come across as a typical grumpy old ham who expects everything for nothing. And, are you familiar with the term âEURoeTall Poppy SyndromeâEUR? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Tall_poppy_syndromehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome  If you had bothered to spend a few minutes to find out, you would have come across my ThunderBolt Commander project. PICAXE code is there, suggested Veroboard layout is there, schematic is all there. Whether you have one of my displays or something else, I couldnâEUR^(TM)t care, and itâEUR^(TM)s freely available to any ThunderBolt user, and many have found it useful. IâEUR^(TM)ve even supplied pre-programmed PICAXEs free of charge to those who have contacted me that do not have the ability to do this. Have you done something like this recently for fellow hams?  And you have the nerve of publically saying I do not contribute anything. If you could let me know what ThunderBolt related projects you have shared and made available. My Google searches are not finding much at all.  And what have you made available to the wider ham community? I canâEUR^(TM)t find your website. You do have a website to openly share information, donâEUR^(TM)t you?  If you go to vk4ghz.com, which was only launched 2 months ago, you will see how much info I share on projects. Being web illiterate, you may not appreciate how much time it takes to take photos, Photoshop them, and write things up. Of course, I could just do what the typical grumpy old man does, and not publish anything on the internet... and just moan about others on some 1990âEUR^(TM)s email reflector. I donâEUR^(TM)t wish to stereotype, but this is all too common for hams in the 50+ demo.  I still canâEUR^(TM)t find much from you on the internet though? Perhaps Google is broken. Why wonâEUR^(TM
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Enough already. As ever, the followups are worse than the original offense, if any. Robert should not have forwarded Adam's reply to the list, but since he did, note that _another list member_ suggested that Adam post the information here. Nice welcome. Not. Orin, KJ7HQ. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
