Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
The other complication with simple CGI BIN scripts is if you have multiple clients eating using their own browser. You have to manage cookies or track IP addresses. Or for a simple home server, just let thing fail if a second client starts making changes On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 7/6/15 3:19 PM, Tom Harris wrote: Since you want simple just use a CGI script written in your language of choice. Very easy technology to learn, Python has support libraries out of the box if you want. You have a webpge with carious simple controls on it like buttons etc, you click a special button that posts a request to a URL, the webserver runs a script that generates the response, the webserver serves it out, your browser displays it. Why bother with learning a framework? Messing about with mechanics is far more fun! The only hiccup with the cgi approach (and with directly code the action in the guts of the server like with flask) is that the subprocess that's spawned has to complete before control returns (e.g. to serve stdout to the user). So if you want to fire off a task that will run in parallel with the webserver's other stuff, you need to have some sort of interprocess communication (e.g. a named pipe, socket, file, MPI communicator, etc.). (or you do something like run at or batch, which is basically using a file as a interprocess communication, and the at daemon watches the file) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
On 2015-07-04 07:13, Jim Lux wrote: I've got a project I'm working on to make a sophisticated sundial with moving mirrors. I've got a batch of Arduinos that move the mirrors to the appropriate places, given the current sun angle, etc. I've got a beaglebone that runs some python code to calculate sun angle based on time The beaglebone will have a GPS feeding it to get time. BUT now, I'd like to add a web interface, so that it can be manipulated by a mobile device using a browser. One way I can think of is to run some sort of limited web server. there are a couple that come with the beaglebone, including the python simplehttpserver. But I'm sort of stuck on the interface between the webserver and the other code running. I've done this kind of thing where the one task goes out and updates files in the tree that's being served by the web server, and that works fine for status display kinds of things that don't update very quickly. It's also nicely partitioned. but I want to be able to change the behavior of the system (e.g. by having the server respond to a PUT or something) Is the best scheme to go in and modify the webserver code to look for specific URLs requested, and then fire off some custom code to do what I want? May want to start with a control web page with an HTML FORM element and embedded input elements - easy even if you have not done much form design and entry implementation. Submit target can be any URL designating a Python CGI script, which generates at least a Content-type header and HTML on stdout returned to the browser. HTML output normally includes a copy of the original FORM (with values passed selected for editing) as well as HTML output and maybe inline or linked graphics. You only need a web server that supports the CGI interface, with some way to configure it and say where the scripts are. See Python cgi, html, http module docs to DIY. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
On 7/7/15 9:59 PM, Brian Inglis wrote: On 2015-07-04 07:13, Jim Lux wrote: I've got a project I'm working on to make a sophisticated sundial with moving mirrors. I've got a batch of Arduinos that move the mirrors to the appropriate places, given the current sun angle, etc. I've got a beaglebone that runs some python code to calculate sun angle based on time The beaglebone will have a GPS feeding it to get time. BUT now, I'd like to add a web interface, so that it can be manipulated by a mobile device using a browser. One way I can think of is to run some sort of limited web server. there are a couple that come with the beaglebone, including the python simplehttpserver. But I'm sort of stuck on the interface between the webserver and the other code running. I've done this kind of thing where the one task goes out and updates files in the tree that's being served by the web server, and that works fine for status display kinds of things that don't update very quickly. It's also nicely partitioned. but I want to be able to change the behavior of the system (e.g. by having the server respond to a PUT or something) Is the best scheme to go in and modify the webserver code to look for specific URLs requested, and then fire off some custom code to do what I want? May want to start with a control web page with an HTML FORM element and embedded input elements - easy even if you have not done much form design and entry implementation. Submit target can be any URL designating a Python CGI script, which generates at least a Content-type header and HTML on stdout returned to the browser. HTML output normally includes a copy of the original FORM (with values passed selected for editing) as well as HTML output and maybe inline or linked graphics. You only need a web server that supports the CGI interface, with some way to configure it and say where the scripts are. See Python cgi, html, http module docs to DIY. Yes, that seems to be the way.. The interesting thing is that the cgi needs to return reasonably fast, or the user client will timeout, so it's not a good way to do something that takes a long time. Great for put parameters in a file or send short command out IO device, not so great for start long running process that needs to continue after user has gone on to do other things. So it comes down to lashing up some sort of interprocess communication, whether it's a named pipe, a file that is shared between two processes, IP sockets, etc. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
A small task queue or message queue would serve the purpose of tying the webserver to the other external tasks: 1) Web server queues job; 2) polls via ajax for status or they could run syncronously. Python is not my forte but there are a number that look like they integrate very well with python. A couple that look like they might be suitable from a quick google are huey or celery. John On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 6:13 AM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi Having done this on *very* small machines with cgi before, the lag has never been an issue. Yes, the things I do are “tweaks” to variables, or data requests. I do not try to spawn a piece of code to compute PI to 800 places and wait for the result. Bob On Jul 6, 2015, at 10:24 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 7/6/15 3:19 PM, Tom Harris wrote: Since you want simple just use a CGI script written in your language of choice. Very easy technology to learn, Python has support libraries out of the box if you want. You have a webpge with carious simple controls on it like buttons etc, you click a special button that posts a request to a URL, the webserver runs a script that generates the response, the webserver serves it out, your browser displays it. Why bother with learning a framework? Messing about with mechanics is far more fun! The only hiccup with the cgi approach (and with directly code the action in the guts of the server like with flask) is that the subprocess that's spawned has to complete before control returns (e.g. to serve stdout to the user). So if you want to fire off a task that will run in parallel with the webserver's other stuff, you need to have some sort of interprocess communication (e.g. a named pipe, socket, file, MPI communicator, etc.). (or you do something like run at or batch, which is basically using a file as a interprocess communication, and the at daemon watches the file) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
Hi Having done this on *very* small machines with cgi before, the lag has never been an issue. Yes, the things I do are “tweaks” to variables, or data requests. I do not try to spawn a piece of code to compute PI to 800 places and wait for the result. Bob On Jul 6, 2015, at 10:24 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 7/6/15 3:19 PM, Tom Harris wrote: Since you want simple just use a CGI script written in your language of choice. Very easy technology to learn, Python has support libraries out of the box if you want. You have a webpge with carious simple controls on it like buttons etc, you click a special button that posts a request to a URL, the webserver runs a script that generates the response, the webserver serves it out, your browser displays it. Why bother with learning a framework? Messing about with mechanics is far more fun! The only hiccup with the cgi approach (and with directly code the action in the guts of the server like with flask) is that the subprocess that's spawned has to complete before control returns (e.g. to serve stdout to the user). So if you want to fire off a task that will run in parallel with the webserver's other stuff, you need to have some sort of interprocess communication (e.g. a named pipe, socket, file, MPI communicator, etc.). (or you do something like run at or batch, which is basically using a file as a interprocess communication, and the at daemon watches the file) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
Since you want simple just use a CGI script written in your language of choice. Very easy technology to learn, Python has support libraries out of the box if you want. You have a webpge with carious simple controls on it like buttons etc, you click a special button that posts a request to a URL, the webserver runs a script that generates the response, the webserver serves it out, your browser displays it. Why bother with learning a framework? Messing about with mechanics is far more fun! Tom Harris celephi...@gmail.com On 4 July 2015 at 23:13, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: I've got a project I'm working on to make a sophisticated sundial with moving mirrors. I've got a batch of Arduinos that move the mirrors to the appropriate places, given the current sun angle, etc. I've got a beaglebone that runs some python code to calculate sun angle based on time The beaglebone will have a GPS feeding it to get time. BUT now, I'd like to add a web interface, so that it can be manipulated by a mobile device using a browser. One way I can think of is to run some sort of limited web server. there are a couple that come with the beaglebone, including the python simplehttpserver. But I'm sort of stuck on the interface between the webserver and the other code running. I've done this kind of thing where the one task goes out and updates files in the tree that's being served by the web server, and that works fine for status display kinds of things that don't update very quickly. It's also nicely partitioned. but I want to be able to change the behavior of the system (e.g. by having the server respond to a PUT or something) Is the best scheme to go in and modify the webserver code to look for specific URLs requested, and then fire off some custom code to do what I want? I'm not particularly interested in javascript, and would prefer python. Or are there libraries that make this more cookbook? (the little getting started with beaglebone book talks about flask) There's quite a few websites out there where someone has done some sort of home automation, but they tend to be a bit light on the analysis of pros and cons of implementation architectures: I built X using Y and Z and it sort of works. Actually, along a similar line.. my solar position code isn't very pretty (it's sort of replicating some code I wrote in Basic a long time ago, with some changes from stuff I cribbed from ccmatlab). If someone knows of a python package that just does this, I'd love to hear about it. Either Az El, or X,Y,Z in ECI or ECF would do. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
Yes cgi scripts take a few hours to learn and take only a small processor. Drubbing a dims and all is overkill and will not perform well on the BBB. On Monday, July 6, 2015, Tom Harris celephi...@gmail.com wrote: Since you want simple just use a CGI script written in your language of choice. Very easy technology to learn, Python has support libraries out of the box if you want. You have a webpge with carious simple controls on it like buttons etc, you click a special button that posts a request to a URL, the webserver runs a script that generates the response, the webserver serves it out, your browser displays it. Why bother with learning a framework? Messing about with mechanics is far more fun! Tom Harris celephi...@gmail.com javascript:; On 4 July 2015 at 23:13, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net javascript:; wrote: I've got a project I'm working on to make a sophisticated sundial with moving mirrors. I've got a batch of Arduinos that move the mirrors to the appropriate places, given the current sun angle, etc. I've got a beaglebone that runs some python code to calculate sun angle based on time The beaglebone will have a GPS feeding it to get time. BUT now, I'd like to add a web interface, so that it can be manipulated by a mobile device using a browser. One way I can think of is to run some sort of limited web server. there are a couple that come with the beaglebone, including the python simplehttpserver. But I'm sort of stuck on the interface between the webserver and the other code running. I've done this kind of thing where the one task goes out and updates files in the tree that's being served by the web server, and that works fine for status display kinds of things that don't update very quickly. It's also nicely partitioned. but I want to be able to change the behavior of the system (e.g. by having the server respond to a PUT or something) Is the best scheme to go in and modify the webserver code to look for specific URLs requested, and then fire off some custom code to do what I want? I'm not particularly interested in javascript, and would prefer python. Or are there libraries that make this more cookbook? (the little getting started with beaglebone book talks about flask) There's quite a few websites out there where someone has done some sort of home automation, but they tend to be a bit light on the analysis of pros and cons of implementation architectures: I built X using Y and Z and it sort of works. Actually, along a similar line.. my solar position code isn't very pretty (it's sort of replicating some code I wrote in Basic a long time ago, with some changes from stuff I cribbed from ccmatlab). If someone knows of a python package that just does this, I'd love to hear about it. Either Az El, or X,Y,Z in ECI or ECF would do. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com javascript:; To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com javascript:; To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
On 7/6/15 3:19 PM, Tom Harris wrote: Since you want simple just use a CGI script written in your language of choice. Very easy technology to learn, Python has support libraries out of the box if you want. You have a webpge with carious simple controls on it like buttons etc, you click a special button that posts a request to a URL, the webserver runs a script that generates the response, the webserver serves it out, your browser displays it. Why bother with learning a framework? Messing about with mechanics is far more fun! The only hiccup with the cgi approach (and with directly code the action in the guts of the server like with flask) is that the subprocess that's spawned has to complete before control returns (e.g. to serve stdout to the user). So if you want to fire off a task that will run in parallel with the webserver's other stuff, you need to have some sort of interprocess communication (e.g. a named pipe, socket, file, MPI communicator, etc.). (or you do something like run at or batch, which is basically using a file as a interprocess communication, and the at daemon watches the file) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
Keep it simple, use a Cgi bin script. Your url is can be any executable. Any language you like. The script can do anything and then it writes out html to stdout. Simple enough. . On Saturday, July 4, 2015, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: I've got a project I'm working on to make a sophisticated sundial with moving mirrors. I've got a batch of Arduinos that move the mirrors to the appropriate places, given the current sun angle, etc. I've got a beaglebone that runs some python code to calculate sun angle based on time The beaglebone will have a GPS feeding it to get time. BUT now, I'd like to add a web interface, so that it can be manipulated by a mobile device using a browser. One way I can think of is to run some sort of limited web server. there are a couple that come with the beaglebone, including the python simplehttpserver. But I'm sort of stuck on the interface between the webserver and the other code running. I've done this kind of thing where the one task goes out and updates files in the tree that's being served by the web server, and that works fine for status display kinds of things that don't update very quickly. It's also nicely partitioned. but I want to be able to change the behavior of the system (e.g. by having the server respond to a PUT or something) Is the best scheme to go in and modify the webserver code to look for specific URLs requested, and then fire off some custom code to do what I want? I'm not particularly interested in javascript, and would prefer python. Or are there libraries that make this more cookbook? (the little getting started with beaglebone book talks about flask) There's quite a few websites out there where someone has done some sort of home automation, but they tend to be a bit light on the analysis of pros and cons of implementation architectures: I built X using Y and Z and it sort of works. Actually, along a similar line.. my solar position code isn't very pretty (it's sort of replicating some code I wrote in Basic a long time ago, with some changes from stuff I cribbed from ccmatlab). If someone knows of a python package that just does this, I'd love to hear about it. Either Az El, or X,Y,Z in ECI or ECF would do. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
If looking at using the bbb for driving steppers. http://blog.machinekit.io/p/hardware-capes.html?m=1 /Björn ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
jim...@earthlink.net said: Exactly... I've got an array of mirrors on az/el mounts (two servos stacked) and the reflection from the mirrors on the wall forms the display. How many pixels in that display? Or what is the unit of quality measurement? What sort of ADEV are you aiming for? If your goal is solar time rather than TAI or UTC, you should be able to get pretty good. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
On 7/4/15 7:53 PM, Hal Murray wrote: jim...@earthlink.net said: Exactly... I've got an array of mirrors on az/el mounts (two servos stacked) and the reflection from the mirrors on the wall forms the display. How many pixels in that display? Or what is the unit of quality measurement? What sort of ADEV are you aiming for? If your goal is solar time rather than TAI or UTC, you should be able to get pretty good. Prototype is 6 pixels to demonstrate concept and work out the bugs. Long term, probably several dozen. Time Accuracy? better than a second Turns out, having done some experimenting, the real issue is angular accuracy. RC servos aren't all that great, and have significant jitter (probably not an issue in their design application which tends to have good mechanical low pass filtering). They're cheap and easy to use (as in, I had a bunch in the garage I could cannibalize out of another project). But if you have 3x3 inch mirrors (call it 7.5 cm), and want to create a picture on the wall that's, say, 10 meters away, you really need angular pointing of 0.007 radians.. that's about 1/2 degree. An RC servo has roughly 270 degree rotation corresponding to 256 steps of PWM (in the Arduino implementation). ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
Hi On Jul 5, 2015, at 8:46 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 7/4/15 7:53 PM, Hal Murray wrote: jim...@earthlink.net said: Exactly... I've got an array of mirrors on az/el mounts (two servos stacked) and the reflection from the mirrors on the wall forms the display. How many pixels in that display? Or what is the unit of quality measurement? What sort of ADEV are you aiming for? If your goal is solar time rather than TAI or UTC, you should be able to get pretty good. Prototype is 6 pixels to demonstrate concept and work out the bugs. Long term, probably several dozen. Time Accuracy? better than a second Turns out, having done some experimenting, the real issue is angular accuracy. RC servos aren't all that great, and have significant jitter (probably not an issue in their design application which tends to have good mechanical low pass filtering). They're cheap and easy to use (as in, I had a bunch in the garage I could cannibalize out of another project). But if you have 3x3 inch mirrors (call it 7.5 cm), and want to create a picture on the wall that's, say, 10 meters away, you really need angular pointing of 0.007 radians.. that's about 1/2 degree. An RC servo has roughly 270 degree rotation corresponding to 256 steps of PWM (in the Arduino implementation). Probably a good place to use the “drive a stepper as a selsyn trick. Steppers are dirt cheap these days and you can either program the drive yourself or get chips that will do it for you. You have essentially zero load and zero acceleration. There is no need for anything big. Bob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
These are pricey but offer 5900 steps over 120 degrees. 0.02 degree per step. At least you could try a couple. If you have many of them it would get expensive quickly. http://www.horizonhobby.com/ds8231-ultra-precision-servo-jrps8231 Sent from mobile On Jul 5, 2015, at 7:46 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 7/4/15 7:53 PM, Hal Murray wrote: jim...@earthlink.net said: Exactly... I've got an array of mirrors on az/el mounts (two servos stacked) and the reflection from the mirrors on the wall forms the display. How many pixels in that display? Or what is the unit of quality measurement? What sort of ADEV are you aiming for? If your goal is solar time rather than TAI or UTC, you should be able to get pretty good. Prototype is 6 pixels to demonstrate concept and work out the bugs. Long term, probably several dozen. Time Accuracy? better than a second Turns out, having done some experimenting, the real issue is angular accuracy. RC servos aren't all that great, and have significant jitter (probably not an issue in their design application which tends to have good mechanical low pass filtering). They're cheap and easy to use (as in, I had a bunch in the garage I could cannibalize out of another project). But if you have 3x3 inch mirrors (call it 7.5 cm), and want to create a picture on the wall that's, say, 10 meters away, you really need angular pointing of 0.007 radians.. that's about 1/2 degree. An RC servo has roughly 270 degree rotation corresponding to 256 steps of PWM (in the Arduino implementation). ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I have been working on and off on that kind of project for a while. One type of issue you have when trying to control hardware from a web page is that any hardware access from a web server poses many issues, such as permissions and the fact that web servers are basically stateless and many are multitasking. What happens if your web page (or the python script behind it) tries to send data on a serial port (for instance) and another request for the same thing comes along? The current approach I am using is to have a separate process that maintains the device status in files that be easily accessed by the web server, so that simple status requests can be serviced immediately without needing to query the device each time, and use a fifo to pipe commands between the web page script and the process. The process is the only one that talks to the hardware, so there is no contention. On the client side, you can use Ajax to keep the web page updated with fresh data without reloading everything each time. It is JavaScript, but there is not too much of it. That part is relatively easy, unless you want to make it really pretty. In that case, it takes a different set of skills (art major with CSS experience...) Here is a demo: http://www.ko4bb.com/AjaxDemo/x-web.html The back end of that runs on php, but it could be python just the same. Obviously failing the pretty test :) Didier KO4BB On July 4, 2015 8:13:06 AM CDT, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: I've got a project I'm working on to make a sophisticated sundial with moving mirrors. I've got a batch of Arduinos that move the mirrors to the appropriate places, given the current sun angle, etc. I've got a beaglebone that runs some python code to calculate sun angle based on time The beaglebone will have a GPS feeding it to get time. BUT now, I'd like to add a web interface, so that it can be manipulated by a mobile device using a browser. One way I can think of is to run some sort of limited web server. there are a couple that come with the beaglebone, including the python simplehttpserver. But I'm sort of stuck on the interface between the webserver and the other code running. I've done this kind of thing where the one task goes out and updates files in the tree that's being served by the web server, and that works fine for status display kinds of things that don't update very quickly. It's also nicely partitioned. but I want to be able to change the behavior of the system (e.g. by having the server respond to a PUT or something) Is the best scheme to go in and modify the webserver code to look for specific URLs requested, and then fire off some custom code to do what I want? I'm not particularly interested in javascript, and would prefer python. Or are there libraries that make this more cookbook? (the little getting started with beaglebone book talks about flask) There's quite a few websites out there where someone has done some sort of home automation, but they tend to be a bit light on the analysis of pros and cons of implementation architectures: I built X using Y and Z and it sort of works. Actually, along a similar line.. my solar position code isn't very pretty (it's sort of replicating some code I wrote in Basic a long time ago, with some changes from stuff I cribbed from ccmatlab). If someone knows of a python package that just does this, I'd love to hear about it. Either Az El, or X,Y,Z in ECI or ECF would do. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Sent from my Motorola Droid Razr HD 4G LTE wireless tracker while I do other things. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 7/5/15 8:43 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi On Jul 5, 2015, at 8:46 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 7/4/15 7:53 PM, Hal Murray wrote: jim...@earthlink.net said: Exactly... I've got an array of mirrors on az/el mounts (two servos stacked) and the reflection from the mirrors on the wall forms the display. How many pixels in that display? Or what is the unit of quality measurement? What sort of ADEV are you aiming for? If your goal is solar time rather than TAI or UTC, you should be able to get pretty good. Prototype is 6 pixels to demonstrate concept and work out the bugs. Long term, probably several dozen. Time Accuracy? better than a second Turns out, having done some experimenting, the real issue is angular accuracy. RC servos aren't all that great, and have significant jitter (probably not an issue in their design application which tends to have good mechanical low pass filtering). They're cheap and easy to use (as in, I had a bunch in the garage I could cannibalize out of another project). But if you have 3x3 inch mirrors (call it 7.5 cm), and want to create a picture on the wall that's, say, 10 meters away, you really need angular pointing of 0.007 radians.. that's about 1/2 degree. An RC servo has roughly 270 degree rotation corresponding to 256 steps of PWM (in the Arduino implementation). Probably a good place to use the “drive a stepper as a selsyn trick. Steppers are dirt cheap these days and you can either program the drive yourself or get chips that will do it for you. You have essentially zero load and zero acceleration. There is no need for anything big. Indeed, microstepping might be the way to go in a production system. But steppers don't have convenient mechanical mounting stuff like RC servos do. I could assemble my prototype with zip ties, double sided foam tape and a few screws. For a stepper scheme I'd need to design and build (e.g. fabricate) bracketry. It's also more complex than just plugging a servo into a pin on the Arduino; that's pretty easy. And then you also get into the do you really want to use an arduino, why not program a X microcontroller on a custom board you've designed for the purpose with all the driver components, etc. If I were building up a full scale system, that's probably what I'd do. BUT, in the mean time, my 6 RC servo az/el thingys are good to fool with and get a feel for various configurations and what the design issues on a larger system would be. The virtue of the BBB and Arduino scheme is mostly that it can be cobbled together without much work. And you can leverage large consumer equipment volumes for the actuators, servos are $10 each in any sort of quantity; it would be hard to find a packaged motor/gear train with a feedback pot for that much (leaving aside surplus). I used to have a box of small 200 step/rev motors (floppy drive positioners), but they had a weird sized shaft, so we're back to the fabrication of mounts: the servo has a nice splined nylon shaft that mates with cheap other injection molded stuff. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hi On Jul 5, 2015, at 3:17 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 7/5/15 8:43 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi On Jul 5, 2015, at 8:46 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 7/4/15 7:53 PM, Hal Murray wrote: jim...@earthlink.net said: Exactly... I've got an array of mirrors on az/el mounts (two servos stacked) and the reflection from the mirrors on the wall forms the display. How many pixels in that display? Or what is the unit of quality measurement? What sort of ADEV are you aiming for? If your goal is solar time rather than TAI or UTC, you should be able to get pretty good. Prototype is 6 pixels to demonstrate concept and work out the bugs. Long term, probably several dozen. Time Accuracy? better than a second Turns out, having done some experimenting, the real issue is angular accuracy. RC servos aren't all that great, and have significant jitter (probably not an issue in their design application which tends to have good mechanical low pass filtering). They're cheap and easy to use (as in, I had a bunch in the garage I could cannibalize out of another project). But if you have 3x3 inch mirrors (call it 7.5 cm), and want to create a picture on the wall that's, say, 10 meters away, you really need angular pointing of 0.007 radians.. that's about 1/2 degree. An RC servo has roughly 270 degree rotation corresponding to 256 steps of PWM (in the Arduino implementation). Probably a good place to use the “drive a stepper as a selsyn trick. Steppers are dirt cheap these days and you can either program the drive yourself or get chips that will do it for you. You have essentially zero load and zero acceleration. There is no need for anything big. Indeed, microstepping might be the way to go in a production system. But steppers don't have convenient mechanical mounting stuff like RC servos do. I could assemble my prototype with zip ties, double sided foam tape and a few screws. For a stepper scheme I'd need to design and build (e.g. fabricate) bracketry. It's also more complex than just plugging a servo into a pin on the Arduino; that's pretty easy. *Small*steppers (which is all you need) don’t take much in the way of mounts. More or less that’s why they invented 3D printing. A printed mount is plenty good enough in this case. And then you also get into the do you really want to use an arduino, why not program a X microcontroller on a custom board you've designed for the purpose with all the driver components, etc.” Feature creep - that’s my middle name …... If I were building up a full scale system, that's probably what I'd do. BUT, in the mean time, my 6 RC servo az/el thingys are good to fool with and get a feel for various configurations and what the design issues on a larger system would be. A *lot* of home built milling machines are lashed together out of steppers with various drivers. It is a bit of a step up from R/C servos, but not *that* bit a step. The virtue of the BBB and Arduino scheme is mostly that it can be cobbled together without much work. And you can leverage large consumer equipment volumes for the actuators, servos are $10 each in any sort of quantity; it would be hard to find a packaged motor/gear train with a feedback pot for that much (leaving aside surplus). That’s not all that different than the way home made mills are built. I used to have a box of small 200 step/rev motors (floppy drive positioners), but they had a weird sized shaft, so we're back to the fabrication of mounts: the servo has a nice splined nylon shaft that mates with cheap other injection molded stuff. 3D printing ….You *must* have a friend with a printer …. Bob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
I've got a project I'm working on to make a sophisticated sundial with moving mirrors. I've got a batch of Arduinos that move the mirrors to the appropriate places, given the current sun angle, etc. I've got a beaglebone that runs some python code to calculate sun angle based on time The beaglebone will have a GPS feeding it to get time. BUT now, I'd like to add a web interface, so that it can be manipulated by a mobile device using a browser. One way I can think of is to run some sort of limited web server. there are a couple that come with the beaglebone, including the python simplehttpserver. But I'm sort of stuck on the interface between the webserver and the other code running. I've done this kind of thing where the one task goes out and updates files in the tree that's being served by the web server, and that works fine for status display kinds of things that don't update very quickly. It's also nicely partitioned. but I want to be able to change the behavior of the system (e.g. by having the server respond to a PUT or something) Is the best scheme to go in and modify the webserver code to look for specific URLs requested, and then fire off some custom code to do what I want? I'm not particularly interested in javascript, and would prefer python. Or are there libraries that make this more cookbook? (the little getting started with beaglebone book talks about flask) There's quite a few websites out there where someone has done some sort of home automation, but they tend to be a bit light on the analysis of pros and cons of implementation architectures: I built X using Y and Z and it sort of works. Actually, along a similar line.. my solar position code isn't very pretty (it's sort of replicating some code I wrote in Basic a long time ago, with some changes from stuff I cribbed from ccmatlab). If someone knows of a python package that just does this, I'd love to hear about it. Either Az El, or X,Y,Z in ECI or ECF would do. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 7/4/15 11:45 AM, Bill Dailey wrote: Pysolar Sent from mobile Pysolar: staring directly at the sun since 2007 excellent.. thanks.. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 04/07/2015 14:13, Jim Lux wrote: ... BUT now, I'd like to add a web interface, so that it can be manipulated by a mobile device using a browser. ... Is the best scheme to go in and modify the webserver code to look for specific URLs requested, and then fire off some custom code to do what I want? ... No, almost certainly not. Pretty much every webserver ever written allows you to run a script in response to a request. Nowadays there are frameworks that integrate closely with the language of your choice and do all the heavy lifting for you. If fact, the problem is really too much choice, here's a list of frameworks from the Python wiki: https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks If you want lots of functionality then head for the top of the list, but these are overkill for what you are trying to do. Scroll down to the 'Non Full Stack Frameworks' and pick one that makes sense to you. These should all allow you to route a URL to some Python code, and the process should be simple enough that if you spend more than 15 mins to get an example up and running then just ditch it and move on to the next one. One caveat, if you are planning to put this on the public internet then it's a very good idea to proxy the service behind a 'full-fat' webserver (e.g. apache) that can safely manage access, load, security etc. I wouldn't expose a BBB directly to the Internet, especially one that is controlling expensive physical things. Simon ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
pyEphem will get the sun position stuff for you. -steve On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 6:13 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: I've got a project I'm working on to make a sophisticated sundial with moving mirrors. I've got a batch of Arduinos that move the mirrors to the appropriate places, given the current sun angle, etc. I've got a beaglebone that runs some python code to calculate sun angle based on time The beaglebone will have a GPS feeding it to get time. BUT now, I'd like to add a web interface, so that it can be manipulated by a mobile device using a browser. One way I can think of is to run some sort of limited web server. there are a couple that come with the beaglebone, including the python simplehttpserver. But I'm sort of stuck on the interface between the webserver and the other code running. I've done this kind of thing where the one task goes out and updates files in the tree that's being served by the web server, and that works fine for status display kinds of things that don't update very quickly. It's also nicely partitioned. but I want to be able to change the behavior of the system (e.g. by having the server respond to a PUT or something) Is the best scheme to go in and modify the webserver code to look for specific URLs requested, and then fire off some custom code to do what I want? I'm not particularly interested in javascript, and would prefer python. Or are there libraries that make this more cookbook? (the little getting started with beaglebone book talks about flask) There's quite a few websites out there where someone has done some sort of home automation, but they tend to be a bit light on the analysis of pros and cons of implementation architectures: I built X using Y and Z and it sort of works. Actually, along a similar line.. my solar position code isn't very pretty (it's sort of replicating some code I wrote in Basic a long time ago, with some changes from stuff I cribbed from ccmatlab). If someone knows of a python package that just does this, I'd love to hear about it. Either Az El, or X,Y,Z in ECI or ECF would do. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- -steve ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Pysolar Sent from mobile On Jul 4, 2015, at 8:13 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: I've got a project I'm working on to make a sophisticated sundial with moving mirrors. I've got a batch of Arduinos that move the mirrors to the appropriate places, given the current sun angle, etc. I've got a beaglebone that runs some python code to calculate sun angle based on time The beaglebone will have a GPS feeding it to get time. BUT now, I'd like to add a web interface, so that it can be manipulated by a mobile device using a browser. One way I can think of is to run some sort of limited web server. there are a couple that come with the beaglebone, including the python simplehttpserver. But I'm sort of stuck on the interface between the webserver and the other code running. I've done this kind of thing where the one task goes out and updates files in the tree that's being served by the web server, and that works fine for status display kinds of things that don't update very quickly. It's also nicely partitioned. but I want to be able to change the behavior of the system (e.g. by having the server respond to a PUT or something) Is the best scheme to go in and modify the webserver code to look for specific URLs requested, and then fire off some custom code to do what I want? I'm not particularly interested in javascript, and would prefer python. Or are there libraries that make this more cookbook? (the little getting started with beaglebone book talks about flask) There's quite a few websites out there where someone has done some sort of home automation, but they tend to be a bit light on the analysis of pros and cons of implementation architectures: I built X using Y and Z and it sort of works. Actually, along a similar line.. my solar position code isn't very pretty (it's sort of replicating some code I wrote in Basic a long time ago, with some changes from stuff I cribbed from ccmatlab). If someone knows of a python package that just does this, I'd love to hear about it. Either Az El, or X,Y,Z in ECI or ECF would do. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
Somewhat new time-nut here (had one of the Samsung-branded Z3805s for a few months as a house 10mhz ref, but it really got out of control when I acquired a Wavecrest DTS, multiple frequency counters, an old Astron 1250a, a Lucent RFTG-u pair, etc.), thought I should finally de-lurk since I can perhaps offer some useful opinion on this. Comments inline. On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 06:13:06AM -0700, Jim Lux wrote: I've got a project I'm working on to make a sophisticated sundial with moving mirrors. I've got a batch of Arduinos that move the mirrors to the appropriate places, given the current sun angle, etc. I guess you are making a human-readable sundial, I was thinking recently about building a computerized mean-solar-noon tracker, just to see what sort of accuracy I can get. Haven't decided between a cheap fisheye camera behind a dark filter (welding lens?) versus a sort of slot-lens (like a pinhole, but to tolerate the seasonal change in north-south elevation) with a wide-range light sensor (CdS or a modern ambient light sensor IC). I've got a beaglebone that runs some python code to calculate sun angle based on time [...] Or are there libraries that make this more cookbook? (the little getting started with beaglebone book talks about flask) In a previous contract job, I did some work with Flask, it's pretty nice, especially for the basic case of make this subset of the URL space be handled by this function. I haven't set it up from scratch, but the Flask documentation seems pretty good, and if you're already familiar with Python, I'd highly recommend it. Mike ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hi As silly as it sounds, having a separate board for the user i/o is probably the best way to go. You already have an empire of devices that (somehow) chat with each other. The barrier of “it’s all on one device” has been broken even before i/o has been added. The world of user input is a bit messy. The typical expectations for speed, help, and fancy looking pages are pretty high these days. Between input validation, context based help, and feature expansion, the i/o processor may be fairly busy from time to time. = Once you get past that part of it, it’s all a bunch of “that depends” and personal preference. There is very little right and wrong. For very little money, you can go from a single core to a quad core device on your i/o processor. The same is true of RAM and flash. If this is a one up (or few dozen) sort of thing, optimizing the board probably makes less sense than attacking the (inevitable) multitude of Ardunio gear controlling the rest of it. = Assuming that we’re not already way off track - I’d use a “real” web server to feed the user. You get the full range of modules that way. You can handle anything you decide you need as the feature list expands. I’d back it up with Python, just because it seems to work fine and I already have worked my way up the learning curve. Others would (I’m sure) recommend languages that they are more familiar with. They all will get you to the same end result. If you want to be cool, there’s always Node.js … Bob On Jul 4, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: I've got a project I'm working on to make a sophisticated sundial with moving mirrors. I've got a batch of Arduinos that move the mirrors to the appropriate places, given the current sun angle, etc. I've got a beaglebone that runs some python code to calculate sun angle based on time The beaglebone will have a GPS feeding it to get time. BUT now, I'd like to add a web interface, so that it can be manipulated by a mobile device using a browser. One way I can think of is to run some sort of limited web server. there are a couple that come with the beaglebone, including the python simplehttpserver. But I'm sort of stuck on the interface between the webserver and the other code running. I've done this kind of thing where the one task goes out and updates files in the tree that's being served by the web server, and that works fine for status display kinds of things that don't update very quickly. It's also nicely partitioned. but I want to be able to change the behavior of the system (e.g. by having the server respond to a PUT or something) Is the best scheme to go in and modify the webserver code to look for specific URLs requested, and then fire off some custom code to do what I want? I'm not particularly interested in javascript, and would prefer python. Or are there libraries that make this more cookbook? (the little getting started with beaglebone book talks about flask) There's quite a few websites out there where someone has done some sort of home automation, but they tend to be a bit light on the analysis of pros and cons of implementation architectures: I built X using Y and Z and it sort of works. Actually, along a similar line.. my solar position code isn't very pretty (it's sort of replicating some code I wrote in Basic a long time ago, with some changes from stuff I cribbed from ccmatlab). If someone knows of a python package that just does this, I'd love to hear about it. Either Az El, or X,Y,Z in ECI or ECF would do. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
On 7/4/15 1:42 PM, Simon Marsh wrote: Pretty much every webserver ever written allows you to run a script in response to a request. Nowadays there are frameworks that integrate closely with the language of your choice and do all the heavy lifting for you. If fact, the problem is really too much choice, here's a list of frameworks from the Python wiki: https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks Yep.. that's exactly the problem... So I was consulting the hivemind here... we tend to be building little widgets that are more than a blinky light, but also aren't serving airline reservation systems. If you want lots of functionality then head for the top of the list, but these are overkill for what you are trying to do. Scroll down to the 'Non Full Stack Frameworks' and pick one that makes sense to you. These should all allow you to route a URL to some Python code, and the process should be simple enough that if you spend more than 15 mins to get an example up and running then just ditch it and move on to the next one. That's where I am... flask does reasonably good.. I haven't tried firing off a second thread yet.. One caveat, if you are planning to put this on the public internet then it's a very good idea to proxy the service behind a 'full-fat' webserver (e.g. apache) that can safely manage access, load, security etc. I wouldn't expose a BBB directly to the Internet, especially one that is controlling expensive physical things. Nope.. just local access from *my* phone on *my* network And the hardware isn't breakable(!) at least not by anything that any of the processors can do. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 7/4/15 11:55 AM, Mike Magin wrote: Somewhat new time-nut here (had one of the Samsung-branded Z3805s for a few months as a house 10mhz ref, but it really got out of control when I acquired a Wavecrest DTS, multiple frequency counters, an old Astron 1250a, a Lucent RFTG-u pair, etc.), thought I should finally de-lurk since I can perhaps offer some useful opinion on this. Comments inline. On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 06:13:06AM -0700, Jim Lux wrote: I've got a project I'm working on to make a sophisticated sundial with moving mirrors. I've got a batch of Arduinos that move the mirrors to the appropriate places, given the current sun angle, etc. I guess you are making a human-readable sundial, Exactly... I've got an array of mirrors on az/el mounts (two servos stacked) and the reflection from the mirrors on the wall forms the display. I was thinking recently about building a computerized mean-solar-noon tracker, just to see what sort of accuracy I can get. Haven't decided between a cheap fisheye camera behind a dark filter (welding lens?) versus a sort of slot-lens (like a pinhole, but to tolerate the seasonal change in north-south elevation) with a wide-range light sensor (CdS or a modern ambient light sensor IC). How accurate do you need to be.. two/four solar cells with a hole that projects an image of the sun on the cells, and compare the outputs (classic sun sensor for a satellite) spinning mirror and fixed solar cell, timing of pulse tells you where the sun is camera with a wide angle lens, and then do multi-pixel centroiding (0.1 pixel is easy) camera sensor with a plate with tiny holes in it, with the spacing of the holes slightly different than the pixels, so the sun spots have slightly different coverages of each pixel. I've got a beaglebone that runs some python code to calculate sun angle based on time [...] Or are there libraries that make this more cookbook? (the little getting started with beaglebone book talks about flask) In a previous contract job, I did some work with Flask, it's pretty nice, especially for the basic case of make this subset of the URL space be handled by this function. I haven't set it up from scratch, but the Flask documentation seems pretty good, and if you're already familiar with Python, I'd highly recommend it. Well, I got it to do the beginner click here and turn on/off the LED thing.. What I'd like, though, is to separate the web serving thread and the doing stuff thread. I suppose I can fire off a thread from the webserver python. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services
On 7/4/15 12:31 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi As silly as it sounds, having a separate board for the user i/o is probably the best way to go. You already have an empire of devices that (somehow) chat with each other. The barrier of “it’s all on one device” has been broken even before i/o has been added. Well, sure.. that's what the BBB is for.. mostly the UI. but at some point, the web server has to tell someone else what to do. You can fire off another process, send a message to another processor (or thread), or whatever. And I was looking for a simple(!) webserver that supports this level of sophistication. There's plenty of very lightweight examples out there (that run on Arduinos for instance) that are basically single threaded.. you intercept the GET /myfunction (or whatever) and that turns into a call abc(parameters)... and while abc() is running, the webserver isn't. That's fine for setting parameters, but not good if the abc process is going to take minutes. Once you get past that part of it, it’s all a bunch of “that depends” and personal preference. There is very little right and wrong. For very little money, you can go from a single core to a quad core device on your i/o processor. The same is true of RAM and flash. If this is a one up (or few dozen) sort of thing, optimizing the board probably makes less sense than attacking the (inevitable) multitude of Ardunio gear controlling the rest of it. = Assuming that we’re not already way off track - I’d use a “real” web server to feed the user. You get the full range of modules that way. You can handle anything you decide you need as the feature list expands. I’d back it up with Python, just because it seems to work fine and I already have worked my way up the learning curve. Others would (I’m sure) recommend languages that they are more familiar with. They all will get you to the same end result. If you want to be cool, there’s always Node.js … Yeah, that's where I'm heading.. but I was looking for something between single threaded webserver with direct calls and install apache ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
