Re: [time-nuts] Fake new LPRO 101 Rb's on Ebay?

[Christoph Kopetzky]

They are definitely not new as stated in the item state. In the 
description you can read at every seller "used item"...

So the brandnew state is only a price leader.
In addition there are several seller (you.are.you, cncdeals5 and 
color-fashion-6) with small price differences and shipping costs
but all the same pictures... Delivery timeframe to germany between 16th 
of march and 13th of may :( So delivery with ship container...


I became very critical to chines sellers because I bought several items 
in the last month from chinese sellers and over 50 % was only

expensive garbadge after receiving and testing.
And I do not know whether I should buy from a seller who is using 
several accounts to sell the goods...
In the meantime I do have a few sellers who are trustworthy and 
everytime I bought something the things are quite in a very good state

with fast shipping time  and not defective.
So you have to make your own experiences :)

Chris

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Am 04.02.2020 um 16:49 schrieb Brian Lloyd:


On 2/4/20 01:29, Perry Sandeen via time-nuts wrote:

Yo Bubba Dudes!,
There are two vendors on Ebay selling *new* LPRO 101 Rb's for around $160 each, 
with discounts for larger purchases.  The general price of a used LPRO seems to 
be in the $250 to $350 range.  Anybody have any ideas?  (Discount for 
coronavirus?)
In all seriousness, can the coronavirus be transmitted in gear we buy from 
China or does it require a living host for spreading?

OK, coronavirus fun aside, is it possible that these LPRO-101's that are
listed as new may be new old stock, i.e. could they have been backup
units in a box that never got put into service? That would suggest that
they have full life available on the Rb lamp.




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Re: [time-nuts] Fake new LPRO 101 Rb's on Ebay?

[Brian Lloyd]

On 2/4/20 01:29, Perry Sandeen via time-nuts wrote:
> Yo Bubba Dudes!,
> There are two vendors on Ebay selling *new* LPRO 101 Rb's for around $160 
> each, with discounts for larger purchases.  The general price of a used LPRO 
> seems to be in the $250 to $350 range.  Anybody have any ideas?  (Discount 
> for coronavirus?)
> In all seriousness, can the coronavirus be transmitted in gear we buy from 
> China or does it require a living host for spreading? 

OK, coronavirus fun aside, is it possible that these LPRO-101's that are
listed as new may be new old stock, i.e. could they have been backup
units in a box that never got put into service? That would suggest that
they have full life available on the Rb lamp.

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Re: [time-nuts] Fake new LPRO 101 Rb's on Ebay?

[jimlux]

On 2/4/20 1:34 AM, Christoph Kopetzky wrote:

Ah OK, now I found the other offers... OK China...
Sorry for my quick first answer.
I agree with Esa. Ozone is a good method for contact-free desinfecting 
goods. The other alternative will be UV light. But

ozone is much better.


Ladies and gentlemen, Ozone is terrible for any sort of elastomer or 
polymer. It's highly reactive, etc.  They use it purify water, but 
that's a sort of special case - you want the pathogens to be broken. You 
don't want sealing materials and polymer packages degrading


(for what it's worth UV also tends to break things down)

Quarantine would be a better bet.

I suppose you could do Ethylene Oxide (which works at lower temperatures 
and is less reactive than Ozone)



Viruses do not survive without a host. The common cold survives the 
longest, as much as 7 days, but most die within 24 hours. Hard surfaces 
(like your equipment) support the longest life.


Viruses don't form spores (Anthrax (Bacillus anthracis) is a bacteria, 
as is Botulism( Clostridium botulinum))



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6282993

J Infect Dis. 1982 Jul;146(1):47-51.
Survival of influenza viruses on environmental surfaces.
Bean B, Moore BM, Sterner B, Peterson LR, Gerding DN, Balfour HH Jr.




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Re: [time-nuts] Fake new LPRO 101 Rb's on Ebay?

[David G. McGaw]

Re: China, I heard a piece on NPR that gave the opinion that the virus 
would only survive a few hours on a surface.  Anything coming from China 
should be fine.  We are probably more likely to die from panic.  ;-)


David N1HAC

On 2/4/20 4:54 AM, Clint Jay wrote:

Actinic short wavelength UV light, the same stuff you use to erase EPROMs
or sterilise scissors, pond or aquarium water will do the job but, a little
perspective, there are 1.386 billion people in China and fewer than 21,000
confirmed cases of coronavirus, fewer than 500 deaths since the outbreak
began, thus far more people have died from seasonal flu today alone.

I leave the reader ( who will probably be far better with statistical
analysis than I) to calculate the chances of a person infected with the
virus coming into contact with a package, then you can work out the chances
of said virus surviving the time the journey takes.

I'm not going to bother sterilizing goods from China and won't be
panicking, instead I'll wash my hands and cough/sneeze into tissues.

The Chinese LPro look like a good deal but the Israeli ones have the
connector and a module which seems to break it out to a d-sub and SMA,
might make it worth the extra?

On Tue, 4 Feb 2020, 09:35 Christoph Kopetzky,  wrote:


Ah OK, now I found the other offers... OK China...
Sorry for my quick first answer.
I agree with Esa. Ozone is a good method for contact-free desinfecting
goods. The other alternative will be UV light. But
ozone is much better.

best regards

Chris
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Albert Einstein

Am 04.02.2020 um 10:03 schrieb Christoph Kopetzky:

The seller is located in Israel :) not in China. So the corona would
not really be the problem.
But the items are not new(!). The product date code is 06/21/00 for
the one and 0127 as 27th week of 2001
is for the second one.

best regards

Chris
---
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Albert Einstein

Am 04.02.2020 um 08:29 schrieb Perry Sandeen via time-nuts:

Yo Bubba Dudes!,
There are two vendors on Ebay selling *new* LPRO 101 Rb's for around
$160 each, with discounts for larger purchases.  The general price of
a used LPRO seems to be in the $250 to $350 range.  Anybody have any
ideas?  (Discount for coronavirus?)
In all seriousness, can the coronavirus be transmitted in gear we buy
from China or does it require a living host for spreading?

Regards,
Perrier



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Re: [time-nuts] Fake new LPRO 101 Rb's on Ebay?

[Leif Johansson]

> 
> I am in Singapore, 3500km from Wuhan (about Chicago to Tijuana), and the
> panic here is hard to describe.  Restaurants with three hour waiting on
> weekends have empty tables.
> 

I recommend Flying Monkey

(are we sufficiently off-topic now?)

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Re: [time-nuts] Fake new LPRO 101 Rb's on Ebay?

[Sanjeev Gupta]

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 5:55 PM Clint Jay  wrote:

> Actinic short wavelength UV light, the same stuff you use to erase EPROMs
> or sterilise scissors, pond or aquarium water will do the job but, a little
> perspective, there are 1.386 billion people in China and fewer than 21,000
> confirmed cases of coronavirus, fewer than 500 deaths since the outbreak
> began, thus far more people have died from seasonal flu today alone.
>

Thank you.

The figures for the US, for this winter season, from "seasonal flu", stand
at a quarter of a million hospitalisations, and about 20,000 deaths.  This
is the "normal" flu.  Please note that the number of deaths is constantly
being revised upwards for any particular week, as reports come in for cause
of death.

If the 500 deaths so far in China had occurred within the USA, during
January, they might not be detectable in the background.

Further (updated) figures here:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

I am in Singapore, 3500km from Wuhan (about Chicago to Tijuana), and the
panic here is hard to describe.  Restaurants with three hour waiting on
weekends have empty tables.

-- 
Sanjeev Gupta
+65 98551208 http://www.linkedin.com/in/ghane
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Re: [time-nuts] Fake new LPRO 101 Rb's on Ebay?

[Clint Jay]

Actinic short wavelength UV light, the same stuff you use to erase EPROMs
or sterilise scissors, pond or aquarium water will do the job but, a little
perspective, there are 1.386 billion people in China and fewer than 21,000
confirmed cases of coronavirus, fewer than 500 deaths since the outbreak
began, thus far more people have died from seasonal flu today alone.

I leave the reader ( who will probably be far better with statistical
analysis than I) to calculate the chances of a person infected with the
virus coming into contact with a package, then you can work out the chances
of said virus surviving the time the journey takes.

I'm not going to bother sterilizing goods from China and won't be
panicking, instead I'll wash my hands and cough/sneeze into tissues.

The Chinese LPro look like a good deal but the Israeli ones have the
connector and a module which seems to break it out to a d-sub and SMA,
might make it worth the extra?

On Tue, 4 Feb 2020, 09:35 Christoph Kopetzky,  wrote:

> Ah OK, now I found the other offers... OK China...
> Sorry for my quick first answer.
> I agree with Esa. Ozone is a good method for contact-free desinfecting
> goods. The other alternative will be UV light. But
> ozone is much better.
>
> best regards
>
> Chris
> ---
> 'Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.' --
> Albert Einstein
>
> Am 04.02.2020 um 10:03 schrieb Christoph Kopetzky:
> > The seller is located in Israel :) not in China. So the corona would
> > not really be the problem.
> > But the items are not new(!). The product date code is 06/21/00 for
> > the one and 0127 as 27th week of 2001
> > is for the second one.
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > Chris
> > ---
> > 'Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.' --
> > Albert Einstein
> >
> > Am 04.02.2020 um 08:29 schrieb Perry Sandeen via time-nuts:
> >> Yo Bubba Dudes!,
> >> There are two vendors on Ebay selling *new* LPRO 101 Rb's for around
> >> $160 each, with discounts for larger purchases.  The general price of
> >> a used LPRO seems to be in the $250 to $350 range.  Anybody have any
> >> ideas?  (Discount for coronavirus?)
> >> In all seriousness, can the coronavirus be transmitted in gear we buy
> >> from China or does it require a living host for spreading?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Perrier
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [time-nuts] Fake new LPRO 101 Rb's on Ebay?

[Christoph Kopetzky]

Ah OK, now I found the other offers... OK China...
Sorry for my quick first answer.
I agree with Esa. Ozone is a good method for contact-free desinfecting 
goods. The other alternative will be UV light. But

ozone is much better.

best regards

Chris
---
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Einstein

Am 04.02.2020 um 10:03 schrieb Christoph Kopetzky:
The seller is located in Israel :) not in China. So the corona would 
not really be the problem.
But the items are not new(!). The product date code is 06/21/00 for 
the one and 0127 as 27th week of 2001

is for the second one.

best regards

Chris
---
'Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.' -- 
Albert Einstein


Am 04.02.2020 um 08:29 schrieb Perry Sandeen via time-nuts:

Yo Bubba Dudes!,
There are two vendors on Ebay selling *new* LPRO 101 Rb's for around 
$160 each, with discounts for larger purchases.  The general price of 
a used LPRO seems to be in the $250 to $350 range.  Anybody have any 
ideas?  (Discount for coronavirus?)
In all seriousness, can the coronavirus be transmitted in gear we buy 
from China or does it require a living host for spreading?


Regards,
Perrier



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Re: [time-nuts] Fake new LPRO 101 Rb's on Ebay?

[shouldbe q931]

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:17 AM Christoph Kopetzky  wrote:
>
> The seller is located in Israel :) not in China. So the corona would not
> really be the problem.
> But the items are not new(!). The product date code is 06/21/00 for the
> one and 0127 as 27th week of 2001
> is for the second one.
>
> best regards

While there are some for sale in Israel, there are also some in China

I would suggest just searching for "LPRO 101"

Cheers

Arne

>
> Chris
> ---
> 'Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.' -- Albert 
> Einstein
>
> Am 04.02.2020 um 08:29 schrieb Perry Sandeen via time-nuts:
> > Yo Bubba Dudes!,
> > There are two vendors on Ebay selling *new* LPRO 101 Rb's for around $160 
> > each, with discounts for larger purchases.  The general price of a used 
> > LPRO seems to be in the $250 to $350 range.  Anybody have any ideas?  
> > (Discount for coronavirus?)
> > In all seriousness, can the coronavirus be transmitted in gear we buy from 
> > China or does it require a living host for spreading?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Perrier
> >
> >
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Re: [time-nuts] Fake new LPRO 101 Rb's on Ebay?

[Christoph Kopetzky]

The seller is located in Israel :) not in China. So the corona would not 
really be the problem.
But the items are not new(!). The product date code is 06/21/00 for the 
one and 0127 as 27th week of 2001

is for the second one.

best regards

Chris
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Einstein

Am 04.02.2020 um 08:29 schrieb Perry Sandeen via time-nuts:

Yo Bubba Dudes!,
There are two vendors on Ebay selling *new* LPRO 101 Rb's for around $160 each, 
with discounts for larger purchases.  The general price of a used LPRO seems to 
be in the $250 to $350 range.  Anybody have any ideas?  (Discount for 
coronavirus?)
In all seriousness, can the coronavirus be transmitted in gear we buy from 
China or does it require a living host for spreading?

Regards,
Perrier



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Re: [time-nuts] Fake new LPRO 101 Rb's on Ebay?

[Tim Tuck]

All...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html

From the FAQ...

/"//Coronaviruses are generally thought to be spread most often by 
respiratory droplets. Currently there is no evidence to support 
transmission of 2019-nCoV associated with imported goods and there have 
not been any cases of 2019-nCoV in the United States associated with 
imported goods"/


TT

On 4/02/2020 6:37 pm, Esa Heikkinen wrote:

Perry Sandeen via time-nuts kirjoitti 4.2.2020 klo 9:29:


In all
seriousness, can the coronavirus be transmitted in gear we buy from
China or does it require a living host for spreading?


Get an ozone generator and put the contaminated gear to some closed 
comparment with it. Turn on the generator and let it be for 15 
minutes. No more any viruses, bacteria or mold there... so it's easy!



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Re: [time-nuts] Fake new LPRO 101 Rb's on Ebay?

[Taka Kamiya via time-nuts]

I am suspending purchases directly from China for now.  The whole country is in 
chaos, according to our media.  Their resources are strained.  Too many chances 
for something going wrong - ignored, lost, delayed, damaged, etc, etc, etc.  

--- 
(Mr.) Taka Kamiya
KB4EMF / ex JF2DKG
 

On Tuesday, February 4, 2020, 2:35:56 AM EST, Poul-Henning Kamp 
 wrote:  
 
 
In message <1626784396.61618.1580801360...@mail.yahoo.com>, Perry Sandeen via t
ime-nuts writes:

>In all seriousness, can the coronavirus be transmitted in gear we
>buy from China or does it require a living host for spreading?

Very few vira can survive 14 days, and for all we know at present
that time is sufficient to desinfect 2019-nCov, and to detect any
infections.

A few specialized infectious agents have the ability to produce
"spores" which can survive for *long* periods of time, and then
revive on contact with humidity.  The best known example is Anthrax.

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Re: [time-nuts] Fake new LPRO 101 Rb's on Ebay?

[Esa Heikkinen]

Perry Sandeen via time-nuts kirjoitti 4.2.2020 klo 9:29:


In all
seriousness, can the coronavirus be transmitted in gear we buy from
China or does it require a living host for spreading?


Get an ozone generator and put the contaminated gear to some closed 
comparment with it. Turn on the generator and let it be for 15 minutes. 
No more any viruses, bacteria or mold there... so it's easy!


--
73s!
Esa
OH4KJU

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Re: [time-nuts] Fake new LPRO 101 Rb's on Ebay?

[Poul-Henning Kamp]

In message <1626784396.61618.1580801360...@mail.yahoo.com>, Perry Sandeen via t
ime-nuts writes:

>In all seriousness, can the coronavirus be transmitted in gear we
>buy from China or does it require a living host for spreading?

Very few vira can survive 14 days, and for all we know at present
that time is sufficient to desinfect 2019-nCov, and to detect any
infections.

A few specialized infectious agents have the ability to produce
"spores" which can survive for *long* periods of time, and then
revive on contact with humidity.  The best known example is Anthrax.

-- 
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